Thinking You’re The Prize is BS

[strong like bull]

why does this have to be made so complicated?

congruence.

if you go around, flapping your gums to women about how wonderful of a man you are, but at the same time your favorite hobby is eating cereal while watching spongebob squarepants on a friday night... you play these seduction games and use all kinds of techniques to give off the image of the dark, mysterous lover that she dreams about... but you actually live a completely different life. you are not being congruent. you are a liar. an impersonator. think whatever you want of yourself, prize or not, women will see through this lie and expose you for what you are.

but on the other hand, lets say your favorite hobby is rock climbing, you love to play guitar, you are a fireman who saves lives daily, youve got your own pad, car and even a couple real estate investment deals on the side, for future income. you wake up every morning, full of vigor and appreciation for your life. you enter a girls world and only give off subtle bits of pieces of your life.

"yeah, i rock climbed such and such mountain the other day."

"my place isnt too shabby. cozy, laid pack, nice fireplace in the living room and hot tub in the backyard, under the stars."

but more importantly than what you SAY, you pull her in and let her EXPERIENCE your action-oriented world. let her SEE your successes. speak vaguely about what youve got, but let her join you in the excitement of everything.

once she FEELS the great life youve got going on, she will know youre the prize. there wont be any question. she'll start to imagine herself in your world, because youre doing things that few others do. youre making her FEEL things that nobody else does. and even better, YOULL know youre the prize because youre so god damned happy with your life; and you wont put too much thought into whether she digs you or not. because, you are living your life to the fullest - you are doing your part as the man. it is now up to the girl, to step up and try to be woman enough to satisfy you in the ways that only a real woman can. real man gets bruised, banged and bloodied along his journies and conquests in life; as a warrior. just as it is our challenge to live life as a real man, it is her challenge to live life as a real woman, and comfort our pains and injuries.

pook and xxblitz44xx are right on the mark when it comes to cutting the bull****. read blitz's BE REAL post for an idea on how to have a natural, healthy relationship. cut the ss, drop the worthless techniques, stop bull****ting everyone and stop lying to yourself. once youve structured your life to be the way you really want it to be, and begun building a reality of your dreams and desires... you wont need to hide behind the mask of "seduction techniques."

i read a great quote a while back:
to get the woman of your dreams, youve got to become the man of yours. check my sig. lets not make this any more complicated than it really is.

-SLB

 

[SheepSter]

Thinking your the prize is an excuse used to compensate for failure, by doing so your not learning and evolving. It's plain arrogant.

If you're in a fight and lose, but think you're still the best, you'll be knocked out again. There is one golden rule that applies here: never underestimate your opponent. Good fighters don't think about themself if they are fighting, they concentrate on the opponent. If you are in a fight and start thinking how good you really are, you lose concentration and ultimately can lose the fight.

Thinking/knowing/believing your the prize is not important since it is only important what she thinks of you. By applying in the correct manner (good posture, EC, kino) you will become a prize in her eyes. Now it can be arguid that seeing oneself as the prize is establishing solid innergame for approaching will be stimulated and rejection taken more lightly. But it still is an illusion of your mind and you can't trick your mind. So it is important to become a prize in every encounter with a HB by reaching your goal. Not by assuming the goal is already reached.

 

[huge_guy_pimpin]

Originally posted by SheepSter
Thinking your the prize is an excuse used to compensate for failure, by doing so your not learning and evolving. It's plain arrogant.

If you're in a fight and lose, but think you're still the best, you'll be knocked out again. There is one golden rule that applies here: never underestimate your opponent. Good fighters don't think about themself if they are fighting, they concentrate on the opponent. If you are in a fight and start thinking how good you really are, you lose concentration and ultimately can lose the fight.

Thinking/knowing/believing your the prize is not important since it is only important what she thinks of you. By applying in the correct manner (good posture, EC, kino) you will become a prize in her eyes. Now it can be arguid that seeing oneself as the prize is establishing solid innergame for approaching will be stimulated and rejection taken more lightly. But it still is an illusion of your mind and you can't trick your mind. So it is important to become a prize in every encounter with a HB by reaching your goal. Not by assuming the goal is already reached.

i dont give a **** wut other people think
so thats why its not important what she thinks of me, its important how she feels me, she can "think" im just a funny big guy,
she can *feel* me rocking her world.

 

[strong like bull]

Thinking/knowing/believing your the prize is not important since it is only important what she thinks of you. By applying in the correct manner (good posture, EC, kino) you will become a prize in her eyes.


nothing personal Sheepster, but **** WHAT SHE THINKS OF YOU!

which would you prefer:

a.) living your life in a way that makes you happy, fullfilling YOUR dreams and YOUR desires

b) constanstly re-molding your identity to hopefully fit the requirements of someone else, knowing that the "requirements for attraction" change with each person

what are we? men, or chameleons?

find out who you want to be, as a man, and do everything in your power to make it happen. build your OWN identity. dont try to shapeshift into the man of each girls dreams; youre only going to lose track of who you are, as an individual. instead of living to fit the requirements of those who truly dont matter, do yourself a favor and live for yourself.

good posture, kino, eye contact and all of those other "techniques" arent anything new or special. simply put, its how we naturally act when we're enjoying life.

why fake happiness for the eyes of others, when you can truly grasp it yourself and let it flow from within?

-SLB

 

[disciple]

The problem with simply telling yourself that you are the prize when you yourself don't believe you are the prize is that there is a mental conflict.

Everyone of us has deep within our minds a picture or image of the type of person we believe ourselves to be.

Telling yourself that you are rich when you live in the ghetto and barely have enough money to pay your rent and feed yourself will create a mental conflict.

The image you have of yourself will always beat out any ideas to the contrary.

The key is to change your self-image.

How?

First, you have to access where you are now and where you would like to be as a person.

For example, if you are 150 lbs. and can't do 2 pushups, then maybe your goal might be to gain 30 lbs of muscle and be able to do 100 pushups.

The goals you set are up to you but in order to be great (or the prize) you must DO things and take ACTIONS that lead you toward greatness or self-improvement.

As a personal example, I've dropped over 35 lbs of extra weight over the past year through proper diet, detoxification, and exercise.

I'm also starting my own business.

Both of these were goals that I made for myself to accomplish this year and I have reached them through hard work, sacrifice, and self-discipline and by staying true to my goals.

The main point is this: Any fool can look at himself and boo hoo about his current state of being but a real man, no, a great man will MAKE himself the prize by improving himself.

Great men make themselves great by doing great things.

If you aren't the prize you want to be, it is your responsibility to find challenges to exercise your body and mind and mold yourself into the man you wish to be.

Heaven helps those who helps themselves.


"The strong rule the weak but the wise rule the strong".

 

[squirrels]

No, you're right. You can't think you're the prize and expect women to flock to you.

You have to BE the prize.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

You think you're the prize (do whatever it takes to be the prize) and you shall become!

Now it's better!

 

[SheepSter]

Huge_guy_pimpin agreed, if she feels you your IN, she is attracted and there is nothing she can do about it. The topic however is on prizing, prizing by itself is a technique also used in marketing. And so prizing is giving yourself more value, to become more attractive for the buyer. In the old economy the focus lies on the product, in the new the focus lies on the customer segments. According to Micheal Lanning, in his Delivering Profitable Value, a company must design a competitively superior value proposition aimed at a specific market segment. So if you use prizing you must focus on her. Thinking/feeling is basically the same in this context, because they must both be positive towards you.

I never said I cared what she thinks of me, I said it is important what she thinks of me. If I cared for it, it would be of emotional value for me. I only care about the goal I want to reach, I don't care for the means by which it is done. If I would dress myself terribly, but be happy with it, I would not care what others think. But if you want to seduce a beautiful women, she would think I have no taste. You see although I don't care about it, it will give her a negative thought towards me, which will make accomplishing the goal harder. Since the goal is what counts for me I will do what it takes to get there.

strong like bull no offence taken since I don't care what you think. I will however elaborate on the topic. The requirements for attraction don't change with each person. If you are goodlooking, interesting, challenging and got tight game, chances are a lot of women will find you attractive on the fysical and mental level. To be happy, fullfilling your dreams and desires you need to work on the aspects you are not satisfied with. You don't do this for women nor for society, but for yourself. Re-molding your identity isn't possible since you are who you are. Redefining certain characteristics on the other hand can be done. Why does one read, to gain more knowledge. Why does one workout, to become stronger. Why does one travel, to experience the world etc. As I said I don't care what she thinks of me, but I know it is important. You're talking about "techniques" like they put up a facade and hide your real natural self. When you are good with women, a natural, u apply these "techniques" automatically as you said correctly. If you are not a natural with women, you have to work on it. Becoming the prize. The goal is what counts for me not what others think of me.

A women ever told you you were hot. Well if you experience that you know getting in her pants will be easier than in other cases. So the goal can be reached easier because she thinks you're hot. I say that that is a pretty important fact, I also say I don't have any emotional attachment too it (she could be playin' after all).

 

[Ladiesssman]

Doesn't Robert Kiosaki say You make your reality.

I remember reading somthing that suggests you change your identity, not just perception.

 

[huge_guy_pimpin]

Originally posted by SheepSter
Huge_guy_pimpin agreed, if she feels you your IN, she is attracted and there is nothing she can do about it. The topic however is on prizing, prizing by itself is a technique also used in marketing. And so prizing is giving yourself more value, to become more attractive for the buyer. In the old economy the focus lies on the product, in the new the focus lies on the customer segments. According to Micheal Lanning, in his Delivering Profitable Value, a company must design a competitively superior value proposition aimed at a specific market segment. So if you use prizing you must focus on her. Thinking/feeling is basically the same in this context, because they must both be positive towards you.

I never said I cared what she thinks of me, I said it is important what she thinks of me. If I cared for it, it would be of emotional value for me. I only care about the goal I want to reach, I don't care for the means by which it is done. If I would dress myself terribly, but be happy with it, I would not care what others think. But if you want to seduce a beautiful women, she would think I have no taste. You see although I don't care about it, it will give her a negative thought towards me, which will make accomplishing the goal harder. Since the goal is what counts for me I will do what it takes to get there.

id rather dress well for myself rather than for a woman, but that is true, do what it takes to get there, at all costs.
but u do care what she thinks, because u mentioned that she wud think u have no taste. theres comfortable clothes that dont have to look like a bum, and it shud be done for urself, i personally wud not feel comfortable wearing bad looking clothes.
usually most comfortable clothes are the worst looking

but good point - always keep your eye on the goal.

 

[skeeloo]

thinking im the prize increased my confidence greatly and people notice that too, if you think your the prize and dont improve your looks then nothing will go right for ya ass, thinking i was the **** gave me confidence to improve my looks and other things so it worked for me and killed any desperations i had.
it worked for me anyway ,dont know how it will work for the next man. the problem with thinking your the sh*t is that people think of you as a stuck up *******. though i prefer them thinking of me as an ******* than an afc which thank God i snapped out of two years ago. so i say humble your self when necesarry. the truth is not all girls can handle a trully confident guy since many are used to afc's kissing thier ass. peace word.

 

[Engetsu]

Bump.

Great thread, first post is brilliant: it breaks down the personal aspects a DJ should work on with crystal clear clarity.

 

[Jester]

*watches sosuave go slowly down the drain*

The prize is a metaphorical statement my very confused friends. The prize is all about CONFIDENCE. Have you forgotten about confidence people? Where are the defenders of confidence? I cannot be the only one left, that would be terrible.


Skew the truth and you yourself will become skewed. Confidence does not come with good looks and fancy clothes. Confidence exists only inside you and can not be taken away by fat, age, or homeliness.

True confidence is what is in your mind.

False confidence is what you believe your "value" is.

You're not on the right path my friends.

 

[penkitten]

you tell em jester!!!!

 

[saki]

I am the fvcking prize alright. I am not athletic, im not brilliant, im not real good looking but even without all the social conformity, I am the prize. Why, because I think that I am. You dont have to be all the above things to be the prize. You dont have to get up at the crack ass of dawn and go running to be the prize. It is a fvcking state of mind alright! If you think that you deserve the best and keep your fvcking integrity once in awhile, you WILL SUCCEED!! I am tired of all this shiit about you have to go to the gym and you must eat nutritious and all this shiit to be a true dj. That is fvcking garbage! Just BE A MAN! Even most "nice guys" have that inner man in them, they just are too afraid to display it in front of a hot girl. How do I know all this? I have been married for 8 years and I still dont take any **** from the wife, hence, the reason Im still married. As simple as it sounds, girls like to be treated like they are not important, regardless of what they tell you, thats all you have to remember. When you get a biatch some roses, it better be a really special day, like graduation or some other shiit, not just caz you felt like it. Never let a girl boss you around either. For those that have been in long relationships, im sure you can attest to acting like a real man when your sick of a girls shiit. You simply dont take it anymore. Which is how it should be with every woman that you meet. If your fvcking ugly, boo fvcking who! if you dont make much $$, fvck it, doesnt matter. SHe had to have high IL in you first, then the rest is gravy. Im an average looking guy and I can get average looking women, but thats what Im happy with, I dont want some shallow biatch that is only concerned with her vanity. I want imperfection, its what makes life so great. You dont have to score HB9 and 10s and if you do, fvck em real good and then move on, caz most of the time, there is no intellect to them anyway. Gorgeous girls think theyre **** dont stink and you must show them that it does indeed, stink just like yours does. Im a sexist muther fvcker, and may come off harsh to some women, but thats ok because I have ballz and they will never take them away!

 

[Duke]

While I agree that one would do good to do the things Sting outlined in his original post, his overall message is flawed.

Believing that you are the prize is the most important frame that there is in seduction. If you believe that she has higher value than you-- that she is cooler than you-- then you will convey that subliminally and she will not be attracted to you.

One should recognize WHY he is the prize and believe it no matter WHERE he is right now. I don't care what state he's in. Once you believe you are the prize, you treat yourself like you're the prize, you walk and talk like you're the prize, and your attractiveness skyrockets REGARDLESS of your current condition.

So yes, constantly improving is admirable, but the "prize mentality" is the essential ingredient to seduction and has been since day 1.

 

[Jay Gatsby]

First achieve, then believe...

Trying to convince yourself that you're the prize -- when you're clearly not -- is a self-imposed delusion. It will be obvious to everyone that notwithstanding what you believe, you're not the prize in their eyes. In other words, you'll come across as either arrogant or a fool, neither of which is respected.

Confidence flows from results, not from delusions of grandeur. If you achieve some of your goals, you can be confident in your ability to achieve higher and more difficult ones. Such confidence is authentic and will be perceived as such by others. Confidence can also flow, in limited circumstances, from having clarity of thought regarding your goals, accompanied by a definitive plan to achieve them. Confidence in this regard stems from intense focus, not on a delusion that you're the prize and that others should treat you as such.

 

[saki]

Jay, nice ideas and I know what you are saying. But it goes with the belief that positive thinking increases success. As you think, you will become, like pook states. If I think I am the prize and someone else doesnt, then they are not fvking worthy, simple as that. I could care less what people think about me, and if they think im a fool, so be it, they will soon find out I am the fvcking king. By King, I mean KING OF MYSELF, not the almighty King, but they will know that I stand my ground and that I am a man of integrity, that is my definition of a king. They dont have to like me or even respect me, but they will know that I respect myself and my beliefs. Women will know this as well, which is why this is such an important state of mind. How do you think people get results in the first place? By being confident and positive and believing in themselves. They take failure and turn it into education and build of what they have learned. The core is that you think "you are" then with results, u will BECOME.