There is too much toxic male dating advice for younger men these days

[member160292]

Yes, they are quite toxic. Unfortunately, there aren’t many level headed red pill creators out there. The manosphere tends to attract men that are more jaded. Add to the fact that most YouTubers are grifters to begin with.

With that being said, it is better to be “toxic” than a blue pill simp. Just keep yourself grounded.

Most of us on SS for over a few weeks aren’t going to be ‘blue pill simps’ The ones that post and leave are. No need to over-preach to the choir.

The ‘drama stirring soap opera for men’ negative crap that gets posted are toxic.

 

[Macadellic]

Dafuk do I care what’s out there for men.
I’ll continue to guide, mentor my nephews.

 

[redskinsfan92]

Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit have inflated the manosphere with sushi roll advice. Overall crappy toxic advice with a sprinkle of better yourself to make it appear not completely toxic. Dating is not that hard and it should be easier judging the increasing amount of feminized men I am seeing out in public. It seems like the guys with useful content are being shadow banned on YouTube, but I see a lot of FreshandFit and Andrew Tate stuff being spanned everywhere. I really do not think these are good role models for younger man to be taking advice from and I am finding it extremely worrisome.

What is something you specifically take issue with?

 

[redskinsfan92]

Wtf is tixic male dating advice? Stuff that doesn't fit the gynocentric perspective?

 

[CornbreadFed]

I have to respectfully disagree with the “at least it’s not blue pill simp advice” so I will break down the 3 types of advice down..

Toxic Advice- I am mainly targeting black pill and content from Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit. These guys seem to offer a really dystopian doom and gloom scenario for men to where everything is screwed unless you are this or that, but they are somehow the exception. However, they just say offer extremely vague self Improving advice such as ”improve yourself”, ”buy a Bugatti”, “be six foot or taller”. 1). How one improves himself is going to differ by person to person. We don’t know this individual’s situation or the hands in his deck, so just by saying “improve yourself” or ”become rich” is extremely vague. 2). No man is immune to a woman’s BS, so even if you were this 6ft 2, millionaire, Chad chiseled jawline, with a Bugatti, there will always be problems with women.

Constructive Advice- The three content creators that helped my game and improve myself the most were Alpha Male Strategies, Playing with Fire, and Coach Greg Adams. These content creators have videos with actual constructive advice on dating, improving your life, and learning how to deal with women long term in general. I am not aware of a single video where Fresh and Fit, Andrew Tate, and Wheat Waffles offer any detailed constructive advice on dating or improving yourself. All I see them doing is crying about women in their own echo chambers while throwing out vague and already popular advice methods. “Go to the gym”, no fvcking shvt, were they the first people to tell you this?

Blue Pill Advice- TBH, I do not even know what this is, so I need further elaboration. There is no centralized aggressive narrative of blue pill advice coming from CNN or any main stream media. Is this just bad advice you hear from a family member or friend? Is this against traditionally good advice that our parents, grandparents, and so on have followed? I can turn on CNN right now and I guarantee you guys that no one is going to be trying to sell me the “idea of blue pilled marriage” as opposed to turning on a Fresh and Fit podcast and immediately being blasted with information about some toxic Miami thot they found.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I've got to agree. It seems like most manosphere material these days is flat out discouraging to men. Like if you're not 6'2" and have women hanging from your jock strap, don't even bother, because women won't give you a second look. Fact is, girls still want to get with guys (unless they're going through a heavy LGBTQ phase), so might as well take your shot. If you can form an emotional attachment with her, she'll be interested.

Its discouraging but it is the unfortunate reality in 2023

A lot of what tate says is true , it's not particularly nice to hear but the core of it is the truth

Unless your cold approaching and interacting a lot in your day to day life ( which lets be honest the vast majority won't be) it is VERY difficult for the average man to capture the average womans attention

To form an emotional attachment with her you need her to actually pay attention to you

A lot of women don't do this anymore they just dismiss men based on arbitrary preferences , they want perfection because social media has trained them to believe they should accept nothing less than the absolute best man that the universe has to offer

 

[CornbreadFed]

Its discouraging but it is the unfortunate reality in 2023

A lot of what tate says is true , it's not particularly nice to hear but the core of it is the truth

Unless your cold approaching and interacting a lot in your day to day life ( which lets be honest the vast majority won't be) it is VERY difficult for the average man to capture the average womans attention

To form an emotional attachment with her you need her to actually pay attention to you

A lot of women don't do this anymore they just dismiss men based on arbitrary preferences , they want perfection because social media has trained them to believe they should accept nothing less than the absolute best man that the universe has to offer

If you base your perception of women off of the echochambers of Fresh and Fit and Wheat Waffles then you might as well give up and castrate yourself.

 

[Gamisch]

I kinda agree. Personally I'm happy i didn't grew up with this " knowledge ". Aint nothing in the manosphere I didn't heard of in real life, but the RP helped me to put it alltogether. Prior to and after that I've always been "in the trenches " and gained experience through real life rather than just theory.

Perhaps the theory would've made me an absolute Alpha king. But , being bluepilled by nature i geuss i could also easily get swallowed up by the blackpill.

The biggest concern is that this supposed to be father /son topics. Fathers dont teach this to their sons, so now its simply a matter of question from the market.

 

[redskinsfan92]

If you base your perception of women off of the echochambers of Fresh and Fit and Wheat Waffles then you might as well give up and castrate yourself.

It's not a perception based off of Fresh and Fit. There are a bunch of stats on why the dating market is completely fvck3d right now. That doesn't mean rollover and giveup, but be realistic and don't expect the dutiful wife and white picket fence.

Also, Fresh and Fit and Andrew Tate are clearly just red meat entertainment.

 

[Bingo-Player]

If you base your perception of women off of the echochambers of Fresh and Fit and Wheat Waffles then you might as well give up and castrate yourself.

I'm basing my perception of women off my experience with women and i class myself as fairly successful with them

Like i said nobody wants to hear it let alone accept it

But if you see a fat chick walking down the street and a slim chick in a nice summer dress which one are you going for ?

I know when i see fat / ugly chicks i don't even want to look at them again let alone talk to them......they are worthless to me

its the same for women but women have much wider and deeper requirements of men they are willing to take seriously

 

[CornbreadFed]

It's not a perception based off of Fresh and Fit. There are a bunch of stats on why the dating market is completely fvck3d right now. That doesn't mean rollover and giveup, but be realistic and don't expect the dutiful wife and white picket fence.

Also, Fresh and Fit and Andrew Tate are clearly just red meat entertainment.

People have been complaining about the dating since Moses crossed the Red Sea. Our ancestors had to be willing to put their lives at stake and work all day to get and keep a woman. Meanwhile, men today are crying about women because they got left swiped on Tinder or some BS. Dating today is way much easier and less time consuming than prior. I would much rather deal with Tinder than sacrifice my life over some war, disease, or tending a farm to provide protection to a woman.

 

[Barrister]

I am much less concerned about dating advice from any of the self-proclaimed gurus as I am the overall pvssification of our society in general by mainstream education, media, etc. That is where the worry should lie because that is being pumped into our children's brains at a young age, many times without parents' knowledge. And it definitely has an impact. These kids then grow up and with warped senses of reality and just propagate the whole thing even more so. It is a dangerous cycle.

 

[threeforfree]

I like listening to Tate, he's entertaining. He has said that he says over the top things in over the top ways to get attention... but his advice on women for the most part I don't pay any attention to. He's like watching a pro-wrestler interview. I like the motivational aspect as it relates to finance and business.

I am actually considering joining The Real World to give true financial independence a go. I make good money as a software engineer, but I want more time, or at least a lot more wealth for my time. A salary is nice but you can't really grow that much; you're on a fixed income (though it is a nice fixed income).

For the cost, and the fact that Andrew Tate only put it together and you're actually learning off of multi-millionaires who have actually done what you want to do in your chosen direction, it seems like a good gamble if you're willing to put the work in. My intention is to start up a side hustle business that will eventually overtake and eclipse my current career. I've done a lot of reading of reviews, and the only downsides I've seen is Andrew Tate negativity that bleeds into the opinions of the courses... when it comes to effectiveness of the content and the mentorship opportunities I've only seen great reviews.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I like listening to Tate, he's entertaining. He has said that he says over the top things in over the top ways to get attention... but his advice on women for the most part I don't pay any attention to. He's like watching a pro-wrestler interview. I like the motivational aspect as it relates to finance and business.

Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit seem pretty hostile towards college degrees, yet you are utilizing the rewards of this degree to join his program/start a potential successful business. Alpha Male Strategies tells his non college path viewers to go in to a skilled trade and to use the income and stability to spring board from that in to your purpose Vs the vague obvious sushi advice Fresh and Fit dish out to not say they are completely not only talking about women lol.

 

[threeforfree]

Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit seem pretty hostile towards college degrees, yet you are utilizing the rewards of this degree to join his program/start a potential successful business. Alpha Male Strategies tells his non college path viewers to go in to a skilled trade and to use the income and stability to spring board from that in to your purpose Vs the vague obvious sushi advice Fresh and Fit dish out to not say they are completely not only talking about women lol.

My son decided to not go the college route and I applaud him for that. Virtually all mega-successful people dropped out of college to do their own thing. Colleges groom people into accepting a career path that will have you going to your job until you're fully at retirement age (or longer if you don't invest wisely) and being content with small increases as you go, with a few weeks vacation per year.

I am stagnant but in a decent place... I make over 6 figures, I'm fully remote, etc but I am still beholden to the company I work for time-wise, and I will never be making $250k+. I have plenty of disposable income to start another business on the side, it gives me a great advantage over those who would have to scrape up a few thousand $$ to try to make a go of it.

My kids are grown, I'm totally single, I have the time and the means to give it a shot. It's almost a, "Let's see exactly what I can do with this life" kind of thing. Why not? I spent about $150k on a divorce a little over a year ago... I'll roll the dice with $5k to kickstart a business and then reinvest the profits if it starts taking off.

 

[Fruitbat]

tate ran a website of cam girls. They basically scammed men through fictitious requests for plane tickets and medical bills.

scamming simps and vulnerable, post divorce men out of their life savings. Of course, the men bear some responsibilty for being so stupid but he is not a friend of men. Or women for that matter. He’s also converted to Islam recently, I assume to attract the substantial amount of sex starved young Islamic men who want a shot at easy Western girls .

Some of what he says makes some amount of sense but he’s a pathological narcissist and has no place telling anyone how to live.

Loyalty, discipline, honour. These are what modern men need, not some jumped up bouncer.

 

[eli77]

Toxic male dating advice has been around since the internet was invented.
I clearly remember reading toxic male dating advice on many forums back in 2001
It was much worse back then, than it is now.

not a lot of people knew about the site along with the red pill blue pill phenomenon except for what they read in books

 

[Kotaix]

Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit have inflated the manosphere with sushi roll advice. Overall crappy toxic advice with a sprinkle of better yourself to make it appear not completely toxic. Dating is not that hard and it should be easier judging the increasing amount of feminized men I am seeing out in public. It seems like the guys with useful content are being shadow banned on YouTube, but I see a lot of FreshandFit and Andrew Tate stuff being spanned everywhere. I really do not think these are good role models for younger man to be taking advice from and I am finding it extremely worrisome.

It's better than woke ideology turning men into a bunch of twinkle toed cucks.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Andrew Tate and Fresh and Fit have inflated the manosphere with sushi roll advice. Overall crappy toxic advice with a sprinkle of better yourself to make it appear not completely toxic. Dating is not that hard and it should be easier judging the increasing amount of feminized men I am seeing out in public. It seems like the guys with useful content are being shadow banned on YouTube, but I see a lot of FreshandFit and Andrew Tate stuff being spanned everywhere. I really do not think these are good role models for younger man to be taking advice from and I am finding it extremely worrisome.

Only bluepilled simps take the words "toxic male" in their mouth in hope their whiteknighting gets them some feminist pvssy for birthday.

Are these guys exagerating sometimes? Yes
Do you HAVE TO take everything they say for the undisputable truth? HELL NO

Its like with every single person you ever learned something from, you take the nuggets and leave the rest.
People barely tend to agree on everything with everyone and still can learn from each other.

In a western world where every man gets bombarded with woke shyt 24/7, i welcome EVERYONE fighting the pvssyfication of men and i dont care if they overdo it here and then.

Tate tells you to stop being a loser, to work your ass off and become the best version of yourself.
He doesnt tell you to learn "Game" and maybe thats why you are pissed.

He tells you to become a man of high value, so women step in line to be with you.
But then, some here rather spend their time with cold approaching 1000 women in a mall to get 5 fvcks out of it by talking themselves into their pvssy, which is okay if you are into that, but doesnt get you anywhere in the long run.

 

[corrector]

If you base your perception of women off of the echochambers of Fresh and Fit and Wheat Waffles then you might as well give up and castrate yourself.

People base their perception based on real life. They gravitate to "echo chambers" that they can most relate to.

But, if you are a Chad/Chadlite and Tinder is working for you, then why would that bother you how Sub-8 Normies are being treated? Have you ever been invisible at all? You can't relate to the content that's why it's bothering you.