There is Nothing wrong with Calling Women out on their bullshvt

[Zimbabwe]

I find it staggering that we are at a point were we casually tell men: Hey don't get angry when women toy with you or your emotions. Its just someone better came along and you were left at the roadside like some bag of trash. On your own, you don't have any value at all so you better step into the hamster wheel.

Also stop giving women a free pass to be aşşholes. Hold them accountable for their actions.

So a shout out to my fellow men:

Yes, it is completely acceptable to get angry at someone doing this shvt to you. Your emotions are as valid as everyone else.

Yes, it is shvtty behavior on her side and no matter the excuses, she is a bad person for doing this. Thats my biggest issue with Red Pill: It is solely focused on what women want and what women find attractive. It resolves around the questions: What can I do to make myself more attractive. Women say: Jump! Red Pill asks: How high?

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

I find it staggering that we are at a point were we casually tell men: Hey don't get angry when women toy with you or your emotions. Its just someone better came along and you were left at the roadside like some bag of trash. On your own, you don't have any value at all so you better step into the hamster wheel.

Also stop giving women a free pass to be aşşholes. Hold them accountable for their actions.

So a shout out to my fellow men:

Yes, it is completely acceptable to get angry at someone doing this shvt to you. Your emotions are as valid as everyone else.

Yes, it is shvtty behavior on her side and no matter the excuses, she is a bad person for doing this. Thats my biggest issue with Red Pill: It is solely focused on what women want and what women find attractive. It resolves around the questions: What can I do to make myself more attractive. Women say: Jump! Red Pill asks: How high?

The opposite of love isn't anger, it's indifference.

Anger is a response to feeling threatened, which means there's something to fear. There's nothing a woman can do to make me fear her.

If a woman fails a test I simply get turned off and lose interest. The only women I mold are those that are interested in being molded, and thus no anger is ever required because they're staring at my lips, waiting for guidance.

Sure some women are shiitty, but no amount of anger will change that. They have to change themselves, let your disinterest speak for itself.

Getting angry is irrational, and rarely works out in your favor, and shows a lack of control over yourself and the situation. If you sense a woman is toying with you, you can stop her at any moment by turning your gaze elsewhere.

 

[Zimbabwe]

The opposite of love isn't anger, it's indifference.

Anger is a response to feeling threatened, which means there's something to fear. There's nothing a woman can do to make me fear her.

If a woman fails a test I simply get turned off and lose interest. The only women I mold are those that are interested in being molded, and thus no anger is ever required because they're staring at my lips, waiting for guidance.

Sure some women are shiitty, but no amount of anger will change that. They have to change themselves, let your disinterest speak for itself.

By being indifferent we are subtlety communicating that her behaviour is okay, and that she shouldn't face any sort of accountability for her actions. She can continue doing it because men as a whole are just going to be indifferent.

We should publicly name and shame women who behave like this.

We as a society need to change, change doesn't happen overnight and it takes time. Every step counts and we can start from here.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

By being indifferent we are subtlety communicating that her behaviour is okay, and that she shouldn't face any sort of accountability for her actions. She can continue doing it because men as a whole are just going to be indifferent.

We should publicly name and shame women who behave like this.

We as a society need to change, change doesn't happen overnight and it takes time. Every step counts and we can start from here.

Actually most toxic women don't care if they get good or bad attention, and since anger is easier to get they see it as an easy source of validation.

Showing a woman anger empowers her. Why let her have so much control over your emotions?

Anger also shows you're still invested in her and care about how she acts towards you. Indifference and leaving shows you simply don't tolerate it, period. No negotiations, if she wants you in her life in any capacity she has to act right.

If men collectively dismissed women that treated them poorly, they would have no choice but to act better.

Why don't you provide an example of when you think anger is the answer, and I'm confident I can convince you it's not.

 

[Velasco]

All that short term thinking is going to accomplish is them laughing and then ghosting you no fvcks given.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

Don't get me wrong @Zimbabwe I do call women out on their bs, but only women that are interested in changing for me. And with those women I never have to get upset, usually they can sense something annoyed me and ask me more about it themselves.

And I always ask myself if it's even worth mentioning, because when a man's life is going extremely well he should be next to impossible to upset.

Anyway it's pretty contextual, so let's hear a scenario you feel justifies anger, and to what extent.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Don't get me wrong @Zimbabwe I do call women out on their bs, but only women that are interested in changing for me. And with those women I never have to get upset, usually they can sense something annoyed me and ask me more about it themselves.

And I always ask myself if it's even worth mentioning, because when a man's life is going extremely well he should be next to impossible to upset.

Anyway it's pretty contextual, so let's hear a scenario you feel justifies anger, and to what extent.

First I think men need to call women out when they misbehave, screenshot it and publicly shame them. The app makers than need to ban female time wasters.

Men need to collectively stop being pathetic simps and actually work together for thr good of society, there is literally no reason why we need to be tolerating disrespectful behaviour from women.

If you behave flaky/flighty at your job, you will be instantly fired. We should hold women on dating apps by the same standards, no more privileges for them.

 

[Macadellic]

Tolerating disrespect from a damaged broken, ran through, useless worthless woman is a choice.

I know where the door is at and I know how to use it. I choose peace over drama and distance over disrespect.

 

[member160761]

You should never show strong emotions of any kind to a woman. At most you show cold anger but never that she can move you to strong emotions. If she pisses you off sincerely you next her or give her the silent treatment if she's worth keeping, which I highly doubt in these cases.

 

[Atom Smasher]

You guys know that I always advocate calling women out for their ridiculous behavior, but there’s a big difference between expressing anger and expressing disappointment or derision.

Usually directly expressing anger is counterproductive as it shows your own emotional involvement. Instead I express detached disappointment or else detached derision. I let them know with a combination of voice and body language that I find their behavior disgusting and that I will have nothing further to do with them. I convey that I’ve detached from caring about her, they she is entirely irrelevant to me.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

First I think men need to call women out when they misbehave, screenshot it and publicly shame them. The app makers than need to ban female time wasters.

Men need to collectively stop being pathetic simps and actually work together for thr good of society, there is literally no reason why we need to be tolerating disrespectful behaviour from women.

If you behave flaky/flighty at your job, you will be instantly fired. We should hold women on dating apps by the same standards, no more privileges for them.

You have to understand that sometimes women develop various rejection tactics because men don't know how to take no for an answer. Since most women are physically weaker than most men, directly telling a man they're not interested in him can be extremely dangerous, especially if that man identifies with rejection.

Many women will behave badly because they would rather you become disgusted and drop them yourself, rather than risk you having a psychotic reaction when they drop you.

Again you should provide a scenario that you think justifies a screenshot and public shaming. In a country like America you could be sued by her for doing this.

By removing your attention from her you are not tolerating her, you're doing the opposite, dismissing her. You are removing yourself as an option for her, leaving her with lower quality men that don't care about their self respect. Let them suffer while you focus on higher quality women.

An app that bans 'time wasting' women would end up having lots of masculine women, probably ones that are fighters or weapons experts. Or it would have no women at all. Imagine an app that banned you because you decided you didn't want to meet up with a girl. Does that seem fair?

Don't identify with rejection and you won't be getting so upset. If she does something to lose you, it's her loss. There is no need to try and convince her you deserve better, find someone better and let your actions speak for themselves.

Apps are saturated with jaded attention wh0res, it's much better to meet women in person anyway.

 

[TheGambino]

If a woman you're dating disrespects you, wouldn't you say something to show boundaries? Why do you choose to be silent? If you don't care for that woman that's fine, but eventually you'll care for a woman and sooner or later they will do something to piss you off.

How will they know your boundaries if you don't tell them?

Depends on what. I learned the best way is to be subtle. Don’t hold hands, don’t be affectionate, take some space from her in public, and be short to her when she does small things.

Major things, like flirting with other guys in front of u, shouting or yelling in public, meaning taking away your maculinity. Or bad mouth u in public, correcting u. I would call that out. “I don’t tolerate that behavior, I’m out of here and walk”.

If u want to give it another shot let her do all the effort.

Thats how I do it.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

If a woman you're dating disrespects you, wouldn't you say something to show boundaries? Why do you choose to be silent? If you don't care for that woman that's fine, but eventually you'll care for a woman and sooner or later they will do something to piss you off.

How will they know your boundaries if you don't tell them?

I never said I'd be silent. Provide a specific example and I'll explain how I would respond. Typically I don't explain things to a woman unless she asks or unless we're in an LTR, and let my actions speak for themselves.

If we're in an LTR she'll take my guidance to heart, otherwise I wouldn't be dating her. So what is there to be upset about?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Calling any woman out is a complete waste of time unless you have no choice but to deal with her every day (wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, coworker).

 

[BillyPilgrim]

@EyeOnThePrize Stoicism is good but your sanctimony is insufferable dude. You're transparent as hell.

This is about the bigger societal picture, not you feeling morally superior to others. Bs is Bs and always deserves to be called out.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I find it staggering that we are at a point were we casually tell men: Hey don't get angry when women toy with you or your emotions. Its just someone better came along and you were left at the roadside like some bag of trash. On your own, you don't have any value at all so you better step into the hamster wheel.

Also stop giving women a free pass to be aşşholes. Hold them accountable for their actions.

So a shout out to my fellow men:

Yes, it is completely acceptable to get angry at someone doing this shvt to you. Your emotions are as valid as everyone else.

Yes, it is shvtty behavior on her side and no matter the excuses, she is a bad person for doing this. Thats my biggest issue with Red Pill: It is solely focused on what women want and what women find attractive. It resolves around the questions: What can I do to make myself more attractive. Women say: Jump! Red Pill asks: How high?

I troll and ghost. I don't Rage or scream. I've called out sluts and get banned on apps. It's useless.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

@EyeOnThePrize Stoicism is good but your sanctimony is insufferable dude. You're transparent as hell.

This is about the bigger societal picture, not you feeling morally superior to others. Bs is Bs and always deserves to be called out.

I'm guessing you've lost faith in yourself and envy people that treat themselves better. You tried in the other thread and here once again you're going after my character rather than my argument. You are a troubled man, if you want to discuss my flaws feel free to PM me.

More to the point of the thread, what is the societal issue? I would argue many men are terrible at judging a woman's interest and allow low interest women to treat them like trash by giving them attention. If you tell the universe you will tolerate disrespect and friction, if you ask for it by continuing to give it your attention, that's all you'll see.

Again, getting angry at a toxic woman only feeds her and empowers her. Public shaming will have people questioning why you're involved with her to begin with, and why you still care.

And again, there is no silver bullet, that's why I've asked for a specific hypothetical situation to be provided where you or the OP or whoever thinks anger is justified. Again I'm confident the best solutions will involve no anger.

If you can't provide one then there's really not much else to say.

 

[The Duke]

The most powerful way to send a message to a woman is to ignore her. Don't touch her, don't kiss her, don't show any affection, don't take her out, don't call her, don't text her.

Yep its childish. Its not how men solve problems. Men put the problem on the table and discuss. Women are too weak for that and don't like confrontation.

But what women do like more than any thing else is attention. You take that "attention" away from them an ignore them and thats when her brain opens up and starts questioning her own actions. Only then can you begin to discuss something.

Every now and then you need to lay into her azz really good. But most of the time just ignore her.

 

[logicallefty]

It only took me over 40 years to figure out that getting mad per se out right doesn’t help too much. Calling women out by itself doesn’t help too much either. What you have to do is implement consequences without getting too mad. Be passive aggressive. It’s the only thing that sinks in for them. Withdrawing your attention from her typically works if you have no other consequences you can implement.

When my wife does something I don’t like, I either retreat to my office down stairs or leave for a few hours and completely ignore her calls or texts. Sometimes will “forget” to do something she wants me to do. When she asks me if I’m mad at something I will calmly reply “Should I be?” Or “why would you ask that ? “ I make her try to self reflect on what she did even though women really struggle with this.

Women have to have some consequences for them for their bad behaviors. Words alone no matter how mad you get, just won’t sync in or keep her from doing it again.

 

[Atom Smasher]

My wife needs very little correction, but the couple of times I removed attention it took her forever to notice. She is so easy-going that she just thinks I must be deeply involved in something.
Most women I’ve dealt with have noticed attention removal very quickly, so it was a breeze to make an impact. My wife is incredibly well-balanced for a woman, always joyful and secure, so she always thinks the best of what I’m doing or not doing. I guess it’s the double-edged sword thing. I barely ever have to discipline her, which is great, but when I do, the tools are dull because of her sense of security and insanely optimistic outlook on life. However, on balance that’s a good problem to have, methinks.