There is no such thing as "transgender"

[Deep Dish]

This Friday on ABC's 20/20, 10pm EDT, Barbara Walters interviews a young “girl” who was born a boy but thinks “she” is a “girl”.

"My Secret Self: A Story of Transgender Children"http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3072518&page=1

"She has a birth defect, and we call it that. I can't think of a worse birth defect, as a woman to have, than to have a penis," Riley's mother, Stephanie, told Barbara Walters. "She talks about the day she'll have a baby. That's not in her future. But she sees herself as growing up to be a woman."

(my emphasis)

Maybe I am noticing too many typos these days but “she” and “her” aren’t the appropriate words. Even the editors of ABC News were too clumsy on their keyboards when they wrote this caption under a photograph in this article I've been referring to: “Riley Grant is a 10-year-old transgender girl. Grant and her parents talk to Barbara Walters about the challenges she faces each day.” Aside from the problematic comments of the mother—I can think of a galaxy of worse birth defects—the problem arises “transgender” is bogus. Yes, indeed, it‘s been proven some boys have female brains and vice versa, and yes, indeed, there is a biological basis. For boys, for instance, when biologically male fetuses are soaked in too much estrogen their brains will develop as female while the body develops normally. However, what we identify as “male” and “female” brains is merely the law of averages as to which style of brain predominates one gender or another.

Up here in the cranium there lacks a critical distinction than down in the nether regions of sexual anatomy. Penises and vaginas have different structures and functionality whereas brain differences are simply operational preferences. The female brain is two teenage girls incessantly talking on the phone with each other and are better at multi-tasking, sensory input, et cetera; whereas the male brain is compartmentalized, has far superior depth perception, et cetera; girls feel and boys objectify. Regardless, however, there are only two genders: male or female, XY or XX. Of course, a few have triple chromosomes but regardless they still end up in one gender or another.

Thinking so doesn't make so. Being confused so doesn't make so. It truly pains me to state the blatantly obvious but here I am in this contemporary society where I am supposed to believe there are “transgenders.” By the way, before anyone mentions “feminism,” as you guys are prone to jump on, I disagree. In terms of cause-and-effect, feminism is not the cause although certainly feminism probably likes to champion the birth defect, as it produces more sensitive biologically-born men and more strong, independent, biologically-born women.

But back to our story...

Richard refused to swim topless, always wearing a shirt in the pool. By age two, he became clearly jealous of his sister's "girl" things — her toys, her pink drinking cups, and especially her clothing.

I have never been able to decide the world’s worst color: pink or purple.

 

[gmillar]

Richard refused to swim topless, always wearing a shirt in the pool. By age two, he became clearly jealous of his sister's "girl" things — her toys, her pink drinking cups, and especially her vagina.

A little more accurate?

That's ****ed up though. I can't imagine not wanting my penis.

 

[Teflon_Mcgee]

I don't understand your point Deep Dish. Are you saying "transgender" is a technically innaccurate term or that genitila alone define sex?

 

[Shiftkey]

I agree with you. It's not even genitalia that defines gender, it's the Y chromosome. If you have a Y chromosome, you're male. No amount of surgery, estrogen, or brainwashing changes that. You can pretend that you're the wrong sex, but you're not the wrong sex any more than someone that gets their legs replaced with a dolphin tail, arms replaced with fins, and a dorsal fin grafted on their back is a dolphin.

I really think there's more to this story. My instincts tell me that the mother wanted her son to be a girl, so when dad isn't around she brainwashed him into wanting to be a girl too. If operant/Pavlovian conditioning works for adults, imagine how powerful it is when you're a newborn.

Richard refused to swim topless, always wearing a shirt in the pool. By age two, he became clearly jealous of his sister's "girl" things — her toys, her pink drinking cups, and especially her clothing.

This just screams 'bull****' at me. Toddlers don't want to wear a shirt to the pool to cover their nipples. Even real girls don't give a **** at that age. Wanting to wear clothes or play with boy or girl toys is a learned behavior. Sure he might've been stubborn, but some kids are just like that.

Finally, when Richard was just three years old, Stephanie made the drastic decision to let her son start dressing as a girl. They called it "girl time." Richard could dress up in his sister's clothes but only when his father Neal was out of sight. The secret between mother and son went on for months.

I'm betting years. But why didn't the mother come clean about this?

Richard's double life put a strain on the Grant's marriage, and they almost separated.

How much do you want to bet they'd of gotten a divorce if she told hubby the boy was brainwashed from birth?

That mother should be locked up.

 

[Last Man Standing]

This is a perversion as pronounced and accelerated by Homos and Hors!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These Devils want you you to believe that good is evil and that evil is good!!!! Wake up - The Matrix has you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Vulpine]

Heh, this is the ultimate in "feminization of men".

 

[DJDamage]

http://www.southparkzone.com/episode.php?vid=901

Making a penis into a vagina does not make you a woman, all you are is a guy with a mutilated penis lol.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

My own points...

1) I didn't get DD's point.
2) Who cares what some young boy/girl does? If a person is so weak and so easily influcedn by the media, well, you're probably a girl, or a real poor excuse for a human being since you evidently don't lack a mind, or thought, of your own.
3) We all know the media skews things to direct the thinking and consciousness of our country in a certain way. I've come to highly doubt the wealthiest corporations that pluck the best and brightest from our top-notch Ivy league schools are as dumb as people assume they are.
4) Gender and sexuality isn't as straight-forward as some would assume and we don't know all we should about the chemicals bombarding us from environment that can and do alter our hormones and biochemistry. Hormones from meats and dairy alone alter the chemistry of people, and can turn a man into a slightly more effeminate version of himself. Long-term consumption of said toxins only further stresses the body's hormone glands, liver, kidneys, etc to the point it's nearly reversible, given evidence to 'why' men are increasingly fatter in their chest, hips, and back areas, just as women would be.

If you take issue with HOW they present it, that's your beef. I never went that indepth for 3 reasons...

1) I don't pay attention to how the news skews things.
2) I'm not a doctor, psychologist, or therapist, so I'm only talking out my arse on this one.
3) And if some little boy wants to cut his **** off, be my guest. More women for me, and it's his life, there's alot worse things in life than a confused man/boy.



A-Unit

 

[Wyldfire]

I know well of a situation like the boy from 20/20...only it was a little girl. One of my fathers' best friend's daughter had a little girl when I was about 12 or 13 years old. The girl's mother was very girly and she tried her best to raise her daughter that way...but from a young age the little girl fought it. There were no little boys around her, she was an only child. She lived with her grandparents, mother and two aunts...all women were girly and the grandfather was a normal hard working guy who was gone all day until dinner time and stayed home on Sundays. From the time the little girl could talk she insisted she was a boy. She demanded that everyone called her a boy's name that she had picked. This was from about 4 or 5 years old. It was the strangest thing I've ever seen. The older she got, the more demanding she became. When they tried to put dresses on her she would rip them off and tear them to shreds. It became so unbearable for the family that by the time she was probably 8 or 9 years old they made a deal with her...she could wear jeans and t-shirts to school and they would call her by the boy name at home, but she had to use her girl's name at school. They had her in therapy from the get go...and they all went together to try to deal with the problem. I haven't seen or heard from the family since the girl was probably 11 years old and I don't know whatever happened to that girl. What I do know, is that her family did everything in their power to raise her as a girl, but she fought them every step of the way...insisting that she was a boy. It really was the most bizarre thing I had ever seen. I don't know what that family could have done differently other than not calling the girl by the boy's name she wanted to be called. They did that because she was totally disrupting things at her school and felt it was the best thing to help her get an education. They hoped it was a phase that she would outgrow. Perhaps she did, I don't know, but I guess the point I'm making is that there are very young children who do believe they are the opposite gender they were born as, and it doesn't mean they have been "brainwashed".

 

[Obsidian]

by the time she was probably 8 or 9 years old they made a deal with her...she could wear jeans and t-shirts to school and they would call her by the boy name at home

giving in to these children is probably the worst thing you can do

 

[Deep Dish]

Teflon_Mcgee:
I don't understand your point Deep Dish. Are you saying "transgender" is a technically innaccurate term or that genitila alone define sex?

Gender is a biological distinction and in no regard should it involve one’s feelings of who they think they are or who they should be, it’s a physical distinction and not psychological. To classify transgender as a credibly different gender is, in my opinion, equally absurd and bastardizing to science as classifying transsexuals as a credibly different gender. Again, no amount of mental confusion, misplaced identity, or hormonal replacement and surgery, constitutes a new gender. Although genitalia does generally define gender, Shiftkey beat me to the punch to say it’s more reliably defined by the presence or absence of the Y chromosome.

Updated: ABC News has posted another article, this time about a girl who became “Jeremy”... a gay boy.

Today, Jeremy is a typical high school senior. His (sic) name was legally changed after his (sic) 16th birthday. He (sic) gets good grades at school, is accepted by his (sic) peers, passes as a boy and looks forward to college enrolled as a male. And like many young men (sic) his (sic) age, he (sic) worries about dating — other men.

"I could have been a straight woman. But then I would have been someone's girlfriend. And that's … that's not (sic) right. What I want to be is someone's boyfriend. That's what feels right," Jeremy said.

But whatever you do, don't become a dolphin, because there are no bathrooms for dolphins...

 

[ExploringOne]

If I ever have kids, I want ever single genetic test imaginable done in the first trimester. Otherwise, where is that adoption drop off...

 

[Obsidian]

Updated: ABC News has posted another article, this time about a girl who became “Jeremy”... a gay boy.

good grief Deep Dish

I think I'm with LMS on this issue

Raising their family in Los Angeles, the couple worked hard to make their two daughters, Rebecca and Anna, feel that they could do everything that boys could do.

reading through that article, the parents sound like hippie liberal idiots

The surgery for male-to-female transsexuals is a lot better and more realistic than the female-to-male [process]," he said.

no sh1t

It's not unusual for transgender people to identify as gay. That's because your gender doesn't really determine your romantic attractions, according to Olson.

No, it's because your gender usually does determine your romantic attractions. (Altho I've heard that transexuals often change sexual orientations to coincide with their new roles --> which is evidence against the immutability of sexual orientation)

But whatever you do, don't become a dolphin, because there are no bathrooms for dolphins...

lol, I watched that episode for the first time after you posted it. It's hilarious.

 

[Deep Dish]

(Altho I've heard that transexuals often change sexual orientations to coincide with their new roles --> which is evidence against the immutability of sexual orientation)

I agree and that is my understanding as well, although thanks to this remark I just realized a typo in my last post. I should have said, “To classify transgender as a credibly different gender is, in my opinion, equally absurd and bastardizing to science as classifying transvestites as a credibly different gender.”

I watched that episode for the first time after you posted it. It's hilarious.

Oh, don't give me too much credit. It was DJDamage who posted the video link... which was hysterical.

:crackup:

 

[Wyldfire]

giving in to these children is probably the worst thing you can do

It was either that or she would have been thrown out of school. Her behavior in school was extremely disruptive and she was on the verge of expulsion as a result.

 

[Obsidian]

It was either that or she would have been thrown out of school.

or they could've beat the living daylights out of the girl until she started behaving. Parents are supposed to be authority figures. You don't just start negotiating because your child likes to throw tantrums. Worst case scenario, they could've homeschooled her...

these children are destroying their lives by refusing to embrace their identities. Similar to an AFC man, only more extreme.

 

[bigjohnson]

I don't CARE if some confused effer wants to slice up his sausage - whatever makes him happy, etc., but don't be trying to pass as a woman to the rest of us. Very bad things can happen if they do.

 

[Wyldfire]

or they could've beat the living daylights out of the girl until she started behaving. Parents are supposed to be authority figures. You don't just start negotiating because your child likes to throw tantrums. Worst case scenario, they could've homeschooled her...

these children are destroying their lives by refusing to embrace their identities. Similar to an AFC man, only more extreme.

That would not solve the problem...and the therapist supported the choice. The most important thing for a child is their education. Furthermore, if six years of working with mental health professionals and devoted efforts to do everything that was suggested did not "fix" the problem, beating the child most certainly won't "fix" anything either. In fact, beating her would only have caused more problems. The girl was going to school and attempted to be a boy there when all the other children and teachers knew that she was a girl. It was upsetting the other children and parents because that is a very young age to try to explain when a girl or boy insists that they are the other sex when they aren't.

If your solution to problems with a child is to beat them I honestly hope you NEVER have children. I mean that...

 

[Obsidian]

If your solution to problems with a child is to beat them I honestly hope you NEVER have children.

Ultimately, force is the only solution to many of the worlds problems. That's what pacifists and hippie liberals don't understand. You can reason with someone, you can invoke your authority, but if all else fails, authority must be backed up by raw power. For example, I don't generally support beating up a motorist for running a stop sign. But if the motorist won't stop for the police, won't sign the ticket, resists arrest and tries to fight the officer instead of obeying the law -- Then force is the ultimate solution.

Beating a child probably isn't the first response, but if you can't reason with them and they won't obey you and they won't obey their teachers, then YES, FORCE IS THE ANSWER. The only alternative is giving in, which results in psychological suicide for that girl.

And I'm not particularly referring to serious physical blows here...I'm talking about spanking and general forms of corporal punishment that children understand.

 

[Wyldfire]

Ultimately, force is the only solution to many of the worlds problems. That's what pacifists and hippie liberals don't understand. You can reason with someone, you can invoke your authority, but if all else fails, authority must be backed up by raw power. For example, I don't generally support beating up a motorist for running a stop sign. But if the motorist won't stop for the police, won't sign the ticket, resists arrest and tries to fight the officer instead of obeying the law -- Then force is the ultimate solution.

Beating a child probably isn't the first response, but if you can't reason with them and they won't obey you and they won't obey their teachers, then YES, FORCE IS THE ANSWER. The only alternative is giving in, which results in psychological suicide for that girl.

And I'm not particularly referring to serious physical blows here...I'm talking about spanking and general forms of corporal punishment that children understand.

Kids with Gender Identity Disorder are already suffering terribly inside...and to try to force them to embrace their own gender through violence is only going to cause them to loathe themselves as well as their genitals and gender.

I am not opposed to spanking when appropriate...and one of my sons got spanked somewhat frequently. You do NOT spank a child because they have a psychological disorder. That would make about as much sense as beating your grandmother with her cane because she forgot something due to having alzheimer's. You only spank when they do things like throw rocks at windows or people or steal something, etc. If the child can control the behavior but chooses not to then a swat on the ass now and then is okay with those kids that don't respond to other forms of discipline. However, if the child clearly has psychological issues you can't "spank it out of them" and attempting to is abuse.