The thing I don't get about alot of men

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To further illustrate this sh.t for the inept: Here's a picture version:

Some of us guys learn that women go for these type of characters/personalities irl and emulate it since an early age:
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Yet some of the guys out ther ewho struggle seem to be clueless to this notion--- that majority of men who do good with women are just cool/know how to choose the right look for themselves, workout, are alpha males and badasses ecause they are literally emulating that which what they know to be cool from movies/rolemodels/influences around them, diff cultures whether hip hop, rock and roll, skateboarding, car racing, being an athlete, whatever culture it may be

For the majority of those who struggle wtih women, it seems like they just lacked the awareness of what women go for which means they either didnt' care until too late, or just were not very aware or had a desire to be liked outwardly or seen in a certain way.. a nd now later in life they struggle and wonder why being a square isnt desired when most dudes always knew women liked triangles for instance.
 
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Because it is easier said than done and people want to do the stuff that seems easier to obtain. Guys that do well with women tend to have main character personalities and be exciting to hang around. Your inexperienced/ struggling guy with women is going to overlook this and look at the physical/outlier aspects of this guy. He is just going to see Jerk Behavior gets pvssy, nice guy behavior gets friend zoned. For example, a guy will see a bad boy with a hot girl and just imitate the @$$hole aspect and not take in the important parts. In contrary, the girl just tolerates the @$$hole behavior because he's not a typical beta NPC that puts her to sleep. You can be a nice guy, bad boy, jock, pretty boy, and etc at the end of the day but you are still going to need some flavor in your personality. There's plenty of NPC bad boys, pretty boys, nice guys, and etc struggling with women right now.
I mean even if people were not thinking about women when they developed these archetypes for them, they at least had an understanding what a cool or respected archetype was at a young age enough to develop themselves into one. I feel like that shows that those people had a great self awareness and the desire to be seen a certain way by society/aka are outwardly social people from young.

For the inept, It's basically they just didnt know what women were after and or didn't care when it mattered the most.. so they never developed themselves into the typ eof guy women are attracted to.. like I said, it probably has alot to do with environment/cultures/lack of rolemodels.

So my question then is, why do they care so much now to have women if they knwo the'r enot the ideal candidate for women? and if so, why not try to emulate that which women desire now? being a square forever trying to fit in a round peg is never gonna work..
 

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To further illustrate this sh.t for the inept: Here's a picture version:

Some of us guys learn that women go for these type of characters/personalities irl and emulate it since an early age:
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Yet some of the guys out ther ewho struggle seem to be clueless to this notion--- that majority of men who do good with women are just cool/know how to choose the right look for themselves, workout, are alpha males and badasses ecause they are literally emulating that which what they know to be cool from movies/rolemodels/influences around them, diff cultures whether hip hop, rock and roll, skateboarding, car racing, being an athlete, whatever culture it may be
I can literally walk outside right now and a see an attractive/fvckable woman with a guy that resembles the exact opposite of your post. The reality is that woman's attraction is not black and white and more complicated than what the movies portray. Most guys struggling with women that follow RP content are told to go to the gym and mold themselves in to these guys as quickly as possible. The problem goes back to what I previously stated, it is not a black or white equation.

For example, I was a virgin till the age of 19. I went to the gym, reached my physical strength peak during Sophomore year of college, read the Neil Strauss the game, Pook (yes, I lurked this site), and etc. I still received unsatisfactory results with women. I didn't struggle, but my results with women were inconsistent and irritating until I moved to a bigger more open-minded city. Literally quadrupled my lay count within 2 months by doing that alone. As my lay count increased, my confidence and comfortability with women increased as well. In summary, not every guy's solution to women is to imitate Brad Pitt on the Fight Club.
 
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I can literally walk outside right now and a see an attractive/fvckable woman with a guy that resembles the exact opposite of your post. The reality is that woman's attraction is not black and white and more complicated than what the movies portray. Most guys struggling with women that follow RP content are told to go to the gym and mold themselves in to these guys as quickly as possible. The problem goes back to what I previously stated, it is not a black or white equation.
Idk if "direct opposite" is true but average guys sure.. Even those guys who dont look like that have some qualities that make them desirable to women.. that relate to these characters, whether its being masculine and dominant, sociable, etc.. They are not squares most of the time.

Theres also a discrepancy with the type of women an average guy who has some of those qualities can pull vs someone who has the looks to go with it/more of a badass personality than just having some of those characteristics.
 

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Imo a lot of frustrated red pill guys would be served well by transmuting their sex drives into non-sexual pursuits they are passionate about, this will also make them more attractive.
 

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I think most men understand what kind of attitude/personality attracts women. SHt, most of us learned this early on through watching movies or seeing the world around us..

The part I don't get is, while hundreds of thousands of men are emulating that, what is so hard for some of you to emulate that throughout your life--when all the successful dudes with women have done exactly that.

Being "cool" and what "cool' is culturally is mostly objective.. Women like cool, tough, masculine, ripped, sociable/popular, stand out guys. I feel like alot of dudes, SS'ers included are missing just knowing what to act and be like.

When you know every girl wants a triangle, why be a square?

Perhaps alot of dudes just haven't had the environments/cultures/circumstances that represent any of that or help build that.. and in that case, why fight who you are? I've seen dudes change and develop a personality in their 30s.. You can too, but if you still don't know where to start, why not just accept wher you are and enjoy some good ol porn/escorts and stop caring so much about women?

I guess this kinda stuff is why dudes need a rolemodel or a life coach.

Growing up for us it was so simple.. we hung with the cool kids, we emulated all the cool people we saw in movies, we acted how the rappers did and the cool/tough/confident attitudes they had.. I mean some of the most square kids started getting laid just by hanging with "cooler" people, smoking weed, selling drugs.. Ofc, teenage years are different than when you get older..

Alot of men are probably just depressed/beat up by life. or lacking testosterone.

I think some of us growing up just had more testosterone than the "not so ideal" kids. That just made us go for things we wanted more, resonate more with more alpha male rolemodel and alpha male cultures and lifestyles.. I mean sht, what did you guys grow up listening to? 40 yr old women singers? We grew up listening to hiphop that told us how to play b.itches, stack money and how not to take sht from anyone...
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I would argue that "Generation X" was the last generation that had strong men as fathers after that it goes down the drain and "Millennial Generation", "Generation Z" and "Generation Alpha" is just getting weaker and complain, whine the more you go through to the next generation.

"Generation X" was also the last generation that was thought to think for themselves, all the generations after that have to more or less extent been programmed through the introduction of the internet/smartphones to think like hive minded people and follow the leaders approved thinking by the main stream media, government, social media, entertainment (film, TV etc.), and to believe in that free speech is bad, more authoritarian rule, surveillance, censorship is a good thing and that feelings are more important than logic and science.

They embrace leftism, communism and think the world owes them everything by default as natural right of birth and also embrace weak values like celebrating gay culture and trannies, (Remember that sodomy is a sin for a reason in the bible. Although I'm not religious the old thinkers of the old age, did add it there for a reason), they support men should be allowed in women sports and that men should be allowed in women's rest rooms, that men can have babies, and feed breast milk, that men have periods, they cannot define "what is a women" and much much more crazy stuff.

The list is endless of bat shyte crazy stuff and much of it is ruled and defined by a emotional level, (Emotional level instead over logic, nature and science), thus they also need "safe zones" to protect their feelings from being offended as they consider that as "aggressive violence" so by definition we are creating "hate speech" laws to protect everyone feelings.

This is of course a power grab by governments and abuse which will limit our hard thought freedoms and liberties, (It only took us about a thousand years to get our liberty starting with Magna Carta in early 1100-1200 anno domini, but only about 15-20 years to give it a way for free. People should be ashamed of themselves for selling our freedom that easily btw. in m opinion), but is widely accepted especially by the younger generations. It is so embarrassing, pitiful and shameful to all our veterans that fought for our freedom during ww1 and ww2. Bu weak men create weaker men which will accept the limitation of liberty for the trade of false safety

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No wonder the western generations have troubles with women and are weak p$ssies. It all speaks for itself.

If your old grandpa who lived through two world wars and survived was still alive, he would punch for you in your face for your weakness and battiness and put you on the right path.

It does not have to be said much why these generations of men after "Generation X" are struggling with women as they never learnt by a strong father how to act, be and behave with a woman. Women are essentially looking for a strong leader; to guide them which is hard encoded into their DNA. As such they fail because women can sense that these guys are weak and not up the standards required.
 
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I mostly agree with this. Women are not going to be attracted to a war hero...unless he gets social status/recognition as a result of being a hero. And in that case, it's his status that makes him attractive, not his masculinity. For women, social status trumps everything. Even looks and money. You don't have groupies lining up to fvck tech billionaires. But you do have groupies lining up to fvck rock/pop/rap stars (most of whom are not particularly masculine or good looking).

I will, however, say that many women get turned on by displays of violence and aggression (which is not necessarily the same thing as "masculinity"). It's one of the reasons why they stay with abusive husbands/boyfriends (and pimps).
Think about the corporate environment that was lead historically by men ( and still is in most companies )

Look at the C-levels, do any of them look like manly guys that can lead?

Most of them are a bunch of p8ssies that only got where they are through scheming ( female trait )

If you are a person that knows what to do and have real leadership qualities you are a big threat and it is very unlikely that you will get promoted more than middle management ( if even that )

Look now at trump, a guy that cheated and schemed all his life, very likely will be the next president of US

You can argue that he is better than Biden, but at the same time Trump says that under his new presidency he does not want America to be the leader of the “free” world as it was for the last 80 years ( if not over 100 years ) and will pull out of most of the organizations that America is leading directly or indirectly

You can argue that he might have a point, but at the same time it is not what leaders do

It is the same things with the rest of the countries. A lot of men that have little to no leadership skills, but yet they are chosen as leaders of their countries. And this is what happened also through history, so it is not something that is happening nowadays

This just show that humans overall are more inclined towards drama and mischievousness more than anything else. That is why most likely women do not feel that leadership is something sexy
 
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If your old grandpa who lived through two world wars and survived was still alive, he would punch for you in your face for your weakness and battiness and put you on the right path.
Good post.

It is not just feminization of men, though that is part of it. Our grandparents did not live under a matriarchy or matriarchy by proxy. Women in many cases needed men, and often put up with men they did not even like. They were also under the thumb of fathers and other male family members and were shamed for sl-tty and pother ****ty behavior. This meant that some slick-talking jerkOff would approach wives or daughters with caution or peril, which would include the sort of tough guys or tough-guy LARPers the OP speaks of, though I understand his general thesis. My own granddad scared the living sh-t out of my aunt for going with the wrong guy. He also once assaulted a man for threatening his son-in-law. He and other men also certainly wouldn’t allow their female family members to leave their homes dressed like wh0res (which is what many men these days like). Men these days, as a group, do not command respect from women.

My uncle-by-marriage’s father suggested his sister get the hell out of the house if she continued visit bars at age sixteen and she took him up on it. Men of years past would also look upon men today, with the excess in which they pamper themselves (even my former self included) as pansies (or worse words of choice).
 

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We all have digital shadows, and we cannot escape them. It's impossible to pretend to be something you are not. So just be the best version of yourself possible and do not apologize for what you are. If what you are isn't something attractive... well.... make some changes and get some good habits: abandon bad ones.
 

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He is saying you that people use and sell drugs to get laid. Most useless thing I have ever read.
Well, he does have a point. Acting like or actually being a violent sociopath and criminal depicted in gangster rap songs are effective in attracting women, though either way carries serious consequences, including imprisonment, death, injury, or lack of some opportunities.
 
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Well, he does have a point. Acting like or actually being a violent sociopath and criminal depicted in gangster rap songs are effective in attracting women, though either way carries serious consequences.
Exactly. Those are his words. Then the counter for that is that you would be likely attracting low quality women (ie although the so-called high quality women will cheat on those types against their beta-provider husbands and they end up as cucks in a dead bedroom marriage just to keep up appearances).
 

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I usually agree with your posts, however, if I have to read another thread about how men today are not this or that I'm gonna lose my mind, this is a different world, there are literally cameras everywhere, if it's not a business camera that'll catch you in the area it's a street one or a ring camera, or your cellphone pinging off a tower, or a witness, most kids today don't have the mind to put their phone into air plane mode to stop the pings or keep their mouths shut to not bring attention to themselves.

Im not trying to be rude, but a lot of you older folk on this forum don't have a clue what you are talking about when it comes to how much the game has really changed today in terms of masculinity.
Didn’t read the op because they are blocked but I want to second this and add that masculinity ISNT being angry and out of touch with your emotions
 

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Idk if "direct opposite" is true but average guys sure.. Even those guys who dont look like that have some qualities that make them desirable to women.. that relate to these characters, whether its being masculine and dominant, sociable, etc.. They are not squares most of the time.
The biggest setback for men isn't their personality, it is their scarcity mindset and laziness.
 
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