You could grab a man's ass and expect 2 get away with it. But God Forbid if a man grabs ur ass. It's straight 2 jail for him.You’re not interested in our perspective, you’re just interested in getting off on tearing it apart and throwing insults, so no thanks mister. Not intetested. Tag someone else to troll.
Haha okay fair enuf.@Spaz lol, no, lol I don't have the time to read all the posts and I don't know what solopholism means without looking it up. Did I even spell that correctly?
I'm not worthy. I'll just move along.
I do believe she's harmless and has good intentions, she went through great lengths to prove that.A summary;
Looking in from ur lenses based on ur red pill worldview - she's harmless and even might shed some light on some basic female traits that you've missed or never experienced - the female frame. From a red piller such as urself, what is the female frame ? I'm curious 2 hear ur red pill version of it.
And from mine - The female frame is inconsequential to me or to my frame.
And those broken blue piller who seeks guidance in SS r basically young men brought up, trained as one, lived as one in perfect harmony for many years, decades even in the female frame/worldview/narrative not knowing any better until they ended up here broken - then in swoops "advice from an old lady" - who regurgitates some red pill wisdom interspersed with...? (Use ur red pill imagination).
Now this would be a good discussion.
An intellectual red piller and i do like ur postings.
An interesting thread, very interesting.
Absolutely. My sister could kick my butt with math. Math is abstract. When it comes to their breeding and mating drives....I disagree. These override and default to biology. Otherwise only tall dark and handsome men would be breeding.Many women are more than capable of handling abstract thinking and can think soundly and logically just as men can.
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I do see what you're saying, it's observably true, at the very list in almost all cases.Absolutely. My sister could kick my butt with math. Math is abstract. When it comes to their breeding and mating drives....I disagree. These override and default to biology. Otherwise only tall dark and handsome men would be breeding.
In a mixed office where men are present, that idea of thinking in the abstract decays quite rapidly. It becomes a potential breeding ground as far as her programming is concerned. Like you said, her frame can change.
InterestingAnother good read is about the nurses during the civil war. After much folly and disorganization Clara Barton & Dix set up the criteria for hiring nurses.
They couldn’t be single or attractive. Preferably, old maids and widows. This then straightened out the nursing corps and allowed it to function smoothly.
Of course not, but them not running your set doesn't mean you run their set either.You wouldn't let them run your set either, though. Unless you were 12 years old or something.
I just think the average man should have outgrown that by the age of 20.
Good post, you've raised issues that's very intellectual.I do believe she's harmless and has good intentions, she went through great lengths to prove that.
The worst she could do is point us in a direction that's not in our best interest, regardless of those good intentions.
That goes not just for her of course, it goes for anyone - man or woman. Although since we're discussing red pill subjects we are more wary of what women have to say, I get that.
What's the female frame? The answer for that would be way too long.
Frame however is just one concept referring to a reality of a person - it's crucial of course to understand this concept in any social dynamics.
I'm more interested in the actual psychology and social dynamics that are behind a woman trying to assert a certain frame.
In the context of dating, I can see why you'd say the female frame is inconsequential to you - basically she has to defer to your frame and live within your reality, or she's gotta go.
However even when deferring to your frame (consciously or not), the same psychology that created that frame is still there, and you're still surrounded by the same social dynamics.
So while at the current moment a woman's frame might defer to yours, its roots are still alive and shouldn't be ignored. Does that make sense?
People with different frames will always have their frames clashing under the surface, regardless of genders.
I think it's inevitable that your woman's frame under different circumstances will become the dominant one, even if for short periods of time - as much as it's not pleasant to accept that your strong masculine frame will not be dominant at absolutely all times.
Another thing is, while you can next women that don't defer to your frame - you're not going to next all women in your life - mother, sisters, etc. Not everybody is going to defer to your frame, strong as it may be, especially when not in the context of man-to-woman or parenting where there's no real incentive for that.
With that said, I can't say the female frame is entirely inconsequential to me.
I'm not sure if that's the answer you were looking for or if I'm even answering the right question, but at any rate - these are a bit of my thoughts on frames.
Frames aside -
I'm going to say some controversial stuff from a red pilled point of view, but I hope you'll keep an open mind. Feel free of course to let me know if and why you think I'm wrong. I'm more than happy when people burst my bubble.
Many women are more than capable of handling abstract thinking and can think soundly and logically just as men can. The rest of course are having a hard time even spelling their name, but that goes for men too.
Truthfully I see far more intelligent men than intelligent women, it can definitely be due to our current social dynamics, the burden of performance that only men have, etc, but either way I wouldn't be quick to dismiss the abilities of women as poor genetics - I believe it could be rather circumstantial.
At the very least, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss the opinions of women who obviously show signs of intelligence and critical thinking.
Red pill is really about opening your eyes to reality, but the actual content is a theory - and we shouldn't forget that. That theory is very solid and has many based points, but as any theory it should always be questioned and modified according to new insights. Outright rejecting contradicting insights without giving it a second thought is not much better than being blue pill in my opinion. At the end of the day it's about critical thinking and adaptation.
In particular, I'm very careful of AWALT. There are obviously many things that are observably common in the majority of women, but the more something is generalized, the more room for mistakes there is, and the more I think twice before blindly internalizing it.
I do think it's theoretically possible to reach an accurate AWALT and AMALT, at the very least as far as it should theoretically be possible to accurately simulate the human brain and body given the right computation power, but I don't believe we're quite there yet.
I'm a bit freer now, I'll address some of the issues you've raised.In the context of dating, I can see why you'd say the female frame is inconsequential to you - basically she has to defer to your frame and live within your reality, or she's gotta go.
However even when deferring to your frame (consciously or not), the same psychology that created that frame is still there, and you're still surrounded by the same social dynamics.
So while at the current moment a woman's frame might defer to yours, its roots are still alive and shouldn't be ignored. Does that make sense?
Can you please elaborate and point out our wrong arguments?This thread is a clear illustration of a complete lack of knowledge about the psychological reasoning to mens and womens actions in relationships. What I'm not sure about is if it caused by ignorance or a lack of intelligence.
I suggest the victims of female solipsism continue studying sources outside the manosphere to help identify their role in their own problems.
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Sure. Now I dont disagree with everything, but a lot of the victim mentality I do.Can you please elaborate and point out our wrong arguments?
Great post! Women have fought for their rights and certainly got to a place of near equality, which is actually a sign of progress. And when you consider the amount of abuse women have encountered, it was long overdue. The issue is that the pendulum has swung too far, and men have not yet corrected it.
Don't even bother to try, it's just a waste of time. Men are superior to women in every way in ability. Women are beautiful. I love and adore women. But somewhere along the way we've all lost touch with reality. Like this bedelusionalasf#ck character. As I said in another thread, women are completely incapable of functioning at a high level in governance, the economy, the military or any other meaningful position or occupation where the interests of the society as a whole are concerned.Sure. Now I dont disagree with everything, but a lot of the victim mentality I do.
Go ahead and state your first objective argument and we can start there. Just one please.
It's a classic case of confusing cause and effect.Don't even bother to try, it's just a waste of time. Men are superior to women in every way in ability. Women are beautiful. I love and adore women. But somewhere along the way we've all lost touch with reality. Like this bedelusionalasf#ck character. As I said in another thread, women are completely incapable of functioning at a high level in governance, the economy, the military or any other meaningful position or occupation where the interests of the society as a whole are concerned.
I said at a high level. Yes, they can function at a mediocre level or a slightly above average level. But not at a high level. The highest levels of innovation, creativity, productivity, warfare, negotiation, diplomacy, construction, technology, science, math, are all the realm of men. They always have been, always will be.
The physiological differences between men and women are overwhelming. The differences in strength, endurance, energy, aggressivity, and of course in intelligence and creativity are profound. Every great creation of humanity was at the hands and minds of men. This is an indisputable fact. Yes, women are great at baking cookies and writing a few pretty poems here and there, but everything else of note and value and worth in any society was produced by a man.
The great works of philosophy, literature, chemistry, biology, physics, astronomy, math the social sciences, economics, medicine are all produced by men. The great architectural designs and buildings are the product of male minds, hands and bodies. The innovations of government and law, of military strategy and technology, again, male design and creation.
The technology producing ships, automobiles, trains, planes and their refinement again are male designs and innovations.
Every last piece of evidence clearly points to male superiority in all important matters in society in every detail. Except one. Men cannot produce eggs. Now, this may eventually be taken care of with stem cell technology. But for the next few years at least, women hold a monopoly over egg production.
And this is their rightful, natural place in the social and biological order. Their job is to produce heirs. their job is to reproduce and nurture children until they can survive on their own, which is typically until say 12 years of age, or a bit longer than that, now officially 18 in western societies. At that point, many men move on to find a new younger wife or some remain in love and live out their lives with their first wife.
But nowhere in any society at any time have women AS A CLASS produced anything of note. Baked goods and poems do not count.
And everywhere we look now, women have sown destruction as "leaders" of societies. Angela Merkel admits millions upon millions of degenerate muslims who stab, rape, kill and maim with acid, knives and mow them down with vans and cars. These muslims could never build a car on their own. They can't even spell automobile in their own language.
The same is happening throughout europe where women are leading the ongoing destruction of the continent bringing turmoil, rape, drugs and murder with these so-called "refugees."
There is no such thing as a female leader. Teresa May, Angela Merkel, Hillary Clinton along with their millions of feminist supporters, can only bring destruction of their societies, starting with hatred based on envy of the greatness of men.
Give your fingers a break. You have nothing to offer. You are of no more value than a woman with your worthless white knighting and feminist shilling and cucking.
I don't believe I talked specifically about solipsism anywhere in this thread, but here's one of my last arguments:Sure. Now I dont disagree with everything, but a lot of the victim mentality I do.
Go ahead and state your first objective argument and we can start there. Just one please.
Men are objectively more intelligent, stronger, more energetic and disciplined than women. Men for example are superior at math. There is a 30 point gap between men and women, a consistent pattern over half a century. The gender difference holds more or less within the races as well, although the gap is tiny between black men and women, only 8 points (although it's still lower for women). Note also the large gaps between races.It's a classic case of confusing cause and effect.
Men are clearly behind almost all great creations in human history, but that's not because they are better or more intelligent, it's because unlike women they had the proper incentive to do so as a way of climbing the social ladder or making their mark in the world.
Europeans have been christians for two thousand years. This is the basis of European civilizations. Christianity teaches monogamy and the sanctity of marriage. Christianity and it's strictures against polygamy or infidelity allowed for social order and stability.No alpha man has ever stopped fvcking all the pvssy he had in order to build a spaceship. It's the men with lower status who create stuff to raise their own status, the ones who aren't naturally surrounded by pvssy.
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.