The Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Soviet Invasion of Finland (Winter War 1939)---Similarities

[SargeMaximus]

It doesn't matter. People will backwards rationalize whatever proof you show.

Hard to backwards rationalize a Canadian city name on the uniform of the Ukrainian firefighter

 

[SargeMaximus]

Yeah, you'd think.

Funny how they ask for proof and then when you show them they dismiss it.

 

[Serenity]

Hard to backwards rationalize a Canadian city name on the uniform of the Ukrainian firefighter

True, but it makes sense when a team of Canadian firefighters travelled to Ukraine to assist with search and rescue. It's because they're NOT Ukrainian firefighters, they're Canadian firefighters volunteering in Ukraine and bringing their own gear.

I have no idea what pictures you've seen, where you've seen them and in which context they were used, but does this have anything to do with it? https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-...rvivors-beneath-collapsed-buildings-1.5831105

 

[SargeMaximus]

True, but it makes sense when a team of Canadian firefighters travelled to Ukraine to assist with search and rescue. It's because they're NOT Ukrainian firefighters, they're Canadian firefighters volunteering in Ukraine and bringing their own gear.

I have no idea what pictures you've seen, where you've seen them and in which context they were used, but does this have anything to do with it? https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-...rvivors-beneath-collapsed-buildings-1.5831105

Yeah that could be it. It could also be weird that Alberta firefighters (out of all the firefighters in the world) go to Ukraine.

 

[Serenity]

Yeah that could be it. It could also be weird that Alberta firefighters (out of all the firefighters in the world) go to Ukraine.

A quick Google search reveals that they're not the only foreign firefighters volunteering in Ukraine, it's just that the news decided to make a local news article about these guys from their province. Then there's probably a bunch of people who don't get their own news article. Makes perfect sense to me, nothing weird about it.

You mentioned Canadian firefighters specifically, so with a quick Google search I found one reasonable explanation. Could also be a different team of volunteers you saw, but the general idea that people go there along with their gear to assist does explain why you'd occasionally see these uniforms in Ukraine.

 

[SargeMaximus]

A quick Google search reveals that they're not the only foreign firefighters volunteering in Ukraine, it's just that the news decided to make a local news article about these guys from their province. Makes perfect sense to me, nothing weird about it. As I said, they're not the only firefighters going to Ukraine.

Ah well fair enough. Although to be fair, when there are things like the pics below floating around, you can see why I’m skeptical of the narrative

 

[Serenity]

Ah well fair enough. Although to be fair, when there are things like the pics below floating around, you can see why I’m skeptical of the narrative

Social media is particularly bad though, I don't trust anything on there. Anyways, it never hurts to dig a little deeper. Better than to suggest something is fake news without any evidence.

I speculate that Russian shills posts easily disproved fake news seemingly in support of Ukraine, the entire point being for someone to find out it's fake and delegitimize western news. I also speculate that some of it is lazy and incompetent journalists using pictures they have from previous unrelated events rather than just using the real deal which by now is very abundant. These are all speculations though and I'm clear about that, I don't have any evidence to back it up.

I'm well aware there are some pictures and videos floating around that has nothing to do with the invasion, that's unfortunate and frankly unnecessary given it's not hard to get real footage.

I support your skepticism, but be careful not to default to the opposite side because of it.

 

[SargeMaximus]

I support your skepticism, but be careful not to default to the opposite side because of it.

lol spoken like a true mod. Tell you what, when the conspiracy theories stop coming true, then I’ll take the left/msm seriously

 

[EyeBRollin]

lol spoken like a true mod. Tell you what, when the conspiracy theories stop coming true, then I’ll take the left/msm seriously

Which conspiracy theories are true? Explain.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yeah that could be it. It could also be weird that Alberta firefighters (out of all the firefighters in the world) go to Ukraine.

There are people from all over the world going to Ukraine to help

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Which conspiracy theories are true? Explain.

They all are...he will just keep making up stories and using them as facts to support it. It's why you can never win...they will go to any length possible to dredge up the slightest thing to try and support their claims then dismiss reasonable explanations for it.

 

[SargeMaximus]

There are people from all over the world going to Ukraine to help

A quick google search:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/analysis/analysis-vaccine-passport-conspiracy-theory-comes-true/2182049

And some pics below

 

[BackInTheGame78]

A quick google search:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/analysis/analysis-vaccine-passport-conspiracy-theory-comes-true/2182049

And some pics below

80% of those things were expected

 

[SargeMaximus]

80% of those things were expected

Literally none of them. And literally all of them were labeled “conspiracy theories”

 

[EyeBRollin]

They all are...he will just keep making up stories and using them as facts to support it. It's why you can never win...they will go to any length possible to dredge up the slightest thing to try and support their claims then dismiss reasonable explanations for it.

I know. I want to hear the rationalizations.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Here’s another: https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2020/05/21/doh-admits-inflated-covid-19-death-numbers/

And yet in this article from 2020 they say one of the conspiracy misinformation is that Covid death numbers are inflated: https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/04/covid-top-10-current-conspiracy-theories/

or this: https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...or-strange-blood-clots-observed-by-embalmers/

Yet: https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1440739/pfizer-vaccine-blood-clots-symptoms

I could do this all day but I trust you will ignore the proof.

@EyeBRollin

 

[SargeMaximus]

And here’s a great article about mask misinformation: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/covid-19-misinformation-conspiracy-theories-1.5655460

and below is a picture of what is written on the very box of these masks that are so effective according to the above article. The above article also claims that saying masks aren’t effective against the virus is misinformation, in which case the writing on this box of masks must also be misinformation.

@EyeBRollin

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Here’s another: https://lynnwoodtimes.com/2020/05/21/doh-admits-inflated-covid-19-death-numbers/

And yet in this article from 2020 they say one of the conspiracy misinformation is that Covid death numbers are inflated: https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/04/covid-top-10-current-conspiracy-theories/

or this: https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...or-strange-blood-clots-observed-by-embalmers/

Yet: https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1440739/pfizer-vaccine-blood-clots-symptoms

I could do this all day but I trust you will ignore the proof.

@EyeBRollin

Random observations do not prove causation. That's the part people can't get through their head. Until there is some type of study done that shows some type of causation, these are random observations that could be caused by anything, including COVID itself, which is well known for causing blood clots as it is a blood vessel disease.

Show me a study with peer reviewed scientific evidence. You can't because they don't exist.

Clinging to pseudoscience is a key component of the nonsense conspiracy theorists do.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Random observations do not prove causation. That's the part people can't get through their head. Until there is some type of study done that shows some type of causation, these are random observations that could be caused by anything, including COVID itself, which is well known for causing blood clots as it is a blood vessel disease.

Show me a study with peer reviewed scientific evidence. You can't because they don't exist.

Clinging to pseudoscience is a key component of the nonsense conspiracy theorists do.

So these blood clots magically happen after the Covid vaccine yet they aren’t cause by it? Ok buddy

and of course you didn’t address all the other examples of the media changing their tune that I cited. This is why people like me don’t trust the narrative and you, frankly.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

So these blood clots magically happen after the Covid vaccine yet they aren’t cause by it? Ok buddy

and of course you didn’t address all the other examples of the media changing their tune that I cited. This is why people like me don’t trust the narrative and you, frankly.

Even if they are, with the number of people who have gotten the vaccine the numbers are miniscule and well within range for potential issues. There will always be people who have adverse reactions to anything...vaccines, prescriptions, surgeries, etc...

Acting as if these extremely small numbers of people compared to the total number of people getting the vaccine is somehow "proof" of huge issues not only makes you look foolish since this would represent something like 0.0005% of people, but it simply shows you don't understand the basic concepts that there ALWAYS will be some people who suffer adverse side effects from ANYTHING.

Does it suck for those people and their families? Yeah, of course, but unfortunately there is nothing that ever will be introduced that doesn't have issues in small percentages of people. Just impossible to test every possible genetic profile.