The Rude Awakening of Our Generation. (1980-1992).

[Don Juanabbe]

Originally posted by One on One
You are write about some, but don't make assumptions. Not everyone wants a "career." You may see laugh at me wanting to work menial jobs in my 20s, but it gives me time and energy to work on my business so while you smirk at the 20-something serving you at a restaurant, they might get the last laugh when their business explodes and they make money in their sleep. You can't judge a book by its cover.

There are exceptions, I'm not denying that.

However, I know a great many 20-somethings in the bar industry. Not one of them has their life on track. The majority of them are too busy snorting & smoking cocaine, partying, and enjoying whatever in life that can give them instant gratification. They are all amazed when I pop in for a couple of beers after my workout and then leave. It's absolutely alien to them. They call me the boyscout.

Believe me, when I was in my 20's, I was in the minority. At least you are thinking about your future, you should feel good that you are at least doing that. I see no sign that any of these people are even remotely pondering their future, and I live in an area that is heavy on pubs and bars.

It started in my age group - I see people I went to high school with who are doormen at bars and they're my age. It's even worse now. Best of luck to you, you already are leaps and bounds ahead of your counterparts in your age group if you are even thinking about your future.

Yours is a lost generation. 9 out of 10 girls I meet 25 and under is a hor and a druggie, and the guys are druggie losers. I mean, complete and total losers. That's just my observation. I know alot of people in the industry where I live.

But, I suppose it's unfair to label all of the 25 and unders - as I said, it started in my age group. I know so many losers who I went to school with. Imagine that - singled out because I don't do drugs, take care of myself and have a decent job. I too am in the minority. Keep in mind, I come from a relatively well-to-do white area, so there is always that entitlement BS there.

 

[il_duce]

Hasn't there always been a group of people like that in our society? You know, the ones who bullsh!tted their way through life, only to work menial jobs and get drunk every weeknight when they come home from work, and for the entire weekend? Year in and year out. I don't think it's only our generation.

My old employer is 39 and he does the same stuff. You'd think he would have grown out of it, but since he's stuck working a sh!t job for the rest of his life, I guess he can't. But that's his own damn fault.

I think the only difference between Generation Y (1980-1992) and the previous generations is that we're more materialistic (you can thank MTV for that). But there will always be the people who skate through life, never wanting more...but still complaining about how they deserve better.

 

[squirrels]

THis whole "feminist movement" is as ridiculously anti-feminine as it is anti-masculine. Traditionally, woman's best role is to raise strong, healthy children. To this effect, child-rearing, household duties, etc, have ALWAYS been the natural realm of women.

If they want to step out of that and enter the androgynous realm where everyone is EQUAL, that's fine with me, but it means they have to SACRIFICE their femininity. So many women want to live the "liberated", conformist lifestyle that they get fed by the media, but at the same time they want people to judge them as women rather than as people. That just DOESN'T work.

They want to work these 9-5 professional jobs and go out with their girlfriends and get drunk and buy all this stuff, but then at the same time they want to attract a masculine man and get him to marry her and have kids with her and support her. She CAN'T have both, but she feels entitled to both. That's why new-world women can't find a good man...because MASCULINE men are attracted to FEMININE women. If she wants to sacrifice femininity for equality, then she's going to attract an androgynous man who has sacrifices his masculinity for equality.

Older women understand this...they're not AFRAID to be "feminine" around men. They're not concerned with power and status because they create their own. The same goes for older men. They're not ruled by other people's impressions of how "good" they are. They create their OWN status and their own value.

Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil" is a pretty good read on this kind of stuff.

 

[DiamondMind]

Originally posted by squirrels

They want to work these 9-5 professional jobs and go out with their girlfriends and get drunk and buy all this stuff, but then at the same time they want to attract a masculine man and get him to marry her and have kids with her and support her. She CAN'T have both, but she feels entitled to both. That's why new-world women can't find a good man...because MASCULINE men are attracted to FEMININE women. If she wants to sacrifice femininity for equality, then she's going to attract an androgynous man who has sacrifices his masculinity for equality.

You've hit the nail on the head; when I chat/meet with a 'professional' woman, I can't help but think "Wow, not much of a WOMAN, but a mixed up broad who wishes she was a guy".

As for the under 30 'women', most are anything but feminine....really trashy language, overtly slutty, fairly dumb, WAY too many tattoes and piercings, no interests besides who is looking at them, in other words, not much to offer a 'real MAN'. I always wonder why a great many of the younger generation of women deny their femininity...they all wanna be 'men'.....bizarre.

Yessir, real men like real women; feminine and proud of it.

I pity women who think that they can deny thousands of years of 'programming' now that they have equality, etc. They will grow old very unfulfilled, bitter, and resentful, and it will be everyone else's fault.

The womens movement has no idea how many womens' lives they will wreck or have wrecked...and by the time it's realized it will be WAY to late.

 

[jakethasnake]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041006/en_afp/afplifestyle_britain_041006123320


I just found this. Apparently, the young men (boys) in the UK don't idolize the "easy come, easy go" lifestyle of excess that the American men idolize and emulate. My gut tells me that this is just the English putting up a front (as usual... airs and appearances are important to them), but hey - I could be wrong. Anyway, it's good to know that some men around the world still have direction in their mindsets.

 

[iMat]

Originally posted by diplomatic_lie
Problem is most people have forgotten the old ways. They don't appreciate friendships, instead they're playing the latest computer game or watching movies rather. Soon we could end up a society where everyone is alone in their own little room with their eyes glued to the computer screen.

It took a long time before I discovered how meaningless that lifestyle is. Since then, I've been trying to make more friends. Unfortunately, I still have yet to get out more, but I will.

I do not live in the US, but modern materialism is pretty predominatant in most 1st world countries (yes, Cold War term there). I would be lying if I said I didn't find Escalades to be cool cars, but neccesity, no.

But with all this aside, I still promise myself to drive a Porsche someday. 911, there is no substitute.

As for children, yes, many kids always get what they want. Newest toys. You got 'em. Pretty pink dress, you look like a princess dear. And through all that conditioning and the grand illusion that money is limitless, most teenagers, and young adults (20-30) have this preception that no matter how ridiculous their spending habits, next week's paycheck will pay them off.

I find this extrememly so in high school. While most kids live at home, having a menial job pretty much pays for whatever $80 t-shirts they buy, and other irrational items. I appreciate nice clothing, but I wouldn't go to such lengths to buy a label (at least not anymore). Now, I try to stray away from anything with a logo on it.

I used to be frustrated as a kid when all my friends would get these extremely cool toys for their birthday, while all I would get is a party, and cake. And it was even more heartbreaking when all the kids talked about what they got for Christmas, while I just wondered why we couldn't celebrate it. It's not that it's a conflict of religion, even atheists give gifts for the sake of spoiling themselves, but we simply didn't.

It took a long time for me to realize how much more of a gift it was that I DIDN'T recieve anything. I recieved lots of odd bits of money here and there, but I was never allowed to spend it. I amassed a small fortune (hey, I was a kid), and when I finally could, I got all these cool things. I still regret buying most of it, but now that I'm down to near-broke, I have really learned to appreciate money. I still would love to buy expensive things, but I try to skimp on meals when I eat out, I force myself not to buy something, even if I want it.

I've never been impulsive when shopping, but I now take even greater consideration into what I may need or want.

--iMat

 

[bootlegger]

Originally posted by Don Juanabbe
There are exceptions, I'm not denying that.

However, I know a great many 20-somethings in the bar industry. Not one of them has their life on track. The majority of them are too busy snorting & smoking cocaine, partying, and enjoying whatever in life that can give them instant gratification. They are all amazed when I pop in for a couple of beers after my workout and then leave. It's absolutely alien to them. They call me the boyscout.

Believe me, when I was in my 20's, I was in the minority. At least you are thinking about your future, you should feel good that you are at least doing that. I see no sign that any of these people are even remotely pondering their future, and I live in an area that is heavy on pubs and bars.

It started in my age group - I see people I went to high school with who are doormen at bars and they're my age. It's even worse now. Best of luck to you, you already are leaps and bounds ahead of your counterparts in your age group if you are even thinking about your future.

Yours is a lost generation. 9 out of 10 girls I meet 25 and under is a hor and a druggie, and the guys are druggie losers. I mean, complete and total losers. That's just my observation. I know alot of people in the industry where I live.

But, I suppose it's unfair to label all of the 25 and unders - as I said, it started in my age group. I know so many losers who I went to school with. Imagine that - singled out because I don't do drugs, take care of myself and have a decent job. I too am in the minority. Keep in mind, I come from a relatively well-to-do white area, so there is always that entitlement BS there.

You are so wrong, and bitter.

Just because someone does something different than you, doesn't make them wrong.

You are completly out of touch with society. It's as simple as if you hang out at bars, you are going to see drunks/doormen.

Why do you care so much about what everyone else is doing?

 

[TheInfamousCBear]

Originally posted by bootlegger

Why do you care so much about what everyone else is doing?

Cause hes trying to get action, and its hard to find a girl that isnt fukked in the head...

 

[Scrumtulescence]

9 out of 10 girls I meet 25 and under is a hor and a druggie, and the guys are druggie losers

Stop hanging out at crack houses perhaps?

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Bump!

 

[thezenmachine]

On sosuave.com I see the strongest and smartest men that have ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas waiting tables...slaves with white collars. Advertising has its place in cars and clothes, working jobs that we hate so we can buy **** we don't need. We are the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place...we have no great war and no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war...our great depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that we will grow up to be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars, but we won't...we're slowly learning that fact...and we are very, very pissed off....

You're not your job, you're not how much money you have in the bank, you're not your car, you're not the contents of your wallet... You're not your ****in' kakhis.

 

[JB101]

I'm 26 now and for the last 5 or 6 years, I've felt EXTREMELY disconnected from the culture at large. The whole MTV/bling bling/party world is just a different reality. It might as well be on Mars.

I love sophistication rather than dumbed down luxury. Class rather than immaturity. Intelligence over a slacker lifestyle. Depth instead of shallowness. World culture rather than nothingness.

Guys, create your own reality. There's no law that says you have to pay attention to the media and how they want to portray you.

 

[thezenmachine]

You said it all, JB, you said it all.... Where you from, man?

 

[JB101]

Originally posted by thezenmachine
You said it all, JB, you said it all.... Where you from, man?

Haha....I'm from the center of the materialistic universe, Southern California.

Seriously, I grew up in the wrong part of the country. I'm dying to meet a sophisticated, smart, cultured, engaging and feminine woman around my age.

The culture also seems VERY anti-intellectual. There's something wrong with you if *god forbid* you want to be smart and use your brain (i.e. nerd, acting white, acting like a schoolboy). It runs across all races and nationalities.

 

[thezenmachine]

The key for finding the girls who aren't so much like that, I think, is accepting the ones who aren't so goodlooking. Instead of going for the 8, 9, and 10's, give the 5, 6, and 7's a chance. I'm not saying the totally gross ones, or the fatties, just the ones that you don't pay much attention to. Also, you do that, and you'll find a few 8,9, and 10's that have the better personalities (although much of the time these ones marry young and are usually engaged by the time they are 21 or so, it happens for a reason!), although I think I may have found one recently....

Good luck to all.

 

[Ricky]

I love posts like this A-Unit.

I'm 31 but alot of the same things apply to that generation as well.

Posts like this aren't meant to be bitter, they are just explaining some of the sociological problems

I've always struggled with some of these women like you mentioned who really have nothing going for them more than a pretty face.

The AFC's are creating a problem because they are letting them know that they can get by on their beauty alone.

If the world was full of DJ's maybe these women would strive to be more than just a pretty face as well.

 

[Ricky]

An article about debt

Very interesting article.

 

[B9]

Originally posted by JB101
Guys, create your own reality. There's no law that says you have to pay attention to the media and how they want to portray you.

worth quoting.

 

[SamePendo]

Originally posted by TheInfamousCBear
Last year, I was making like $500 a week and I had a new car and clothes, and I thought I was so unstopable...

How did you get to win that money at 20????


Upper class people are the same everywhere. Come to Mexico and meet the upper class women... they are the same as the US... go to Indonesia, Guatemala.... wherever.. they are pretty much the same. The middle, and low class people are different. *Generaly speaking

Just as there are jerks, criminals, rapists, nerd, spiritual, athletic people everywhere on the world...

The good thing about this, about how all the ordinary people are... is that they make it easier for us to be extraordinary.

Btw, what is Sosuave waiting to open a Financial Forum?

 

[TheInfamousCBear]

Originally posted by SamePendo
How did you get to win that money at 20????

I was working for a company called CACI...Im sure you heard of them...