The reason for living?

[Zwitterion]

I think the guy who posted the thread, "Steve Irwin Got It Right" nailed the hammer on the head. He lived for something greater than himself and loved what he did, and in turn others loved him back. Other than that, I don't know.

 

[BluEyes]

Life is for having fun. Nothing more.





Oh, and poking fun at minorities.

 

[djbr]

Hedonism is the way to go, man. Seriously. My buddy was a rastafarian - he's too baked and lazy to find his way back, so he's still chillin' on the other side.

Amen... but there is one more thing

Life is for having fun. Nothing more.
Oh, and poking fun at minorities.

Done :crackup:

 

[Capt.Jack Sparrow]

Blasphemy! BURN THE HERETIC!:box:

 

[Oxide]

There are over 6 billion people in this world right now. 6,000,000,000. That is so many people, that you and I can't actually fathom it. Try imagining 100,000 people - that is a stadium full of fans. Now imagine 60,000 more stadiums just like that... I can't do it.

The fact that we have 6 billion people in this world that have no idea why the fvck they are here or where they are going is what scares me and makes me mad at the same time. We have been around for what, 150,000 years + (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0612sapiens.asp) and we still have no idea what the fvck is going on?

George Carlin is right - we shouldn't be worrying about the planet, it had survived for millions of years. It can shake us off like fleas and keep going... but what about us. If there is no afterlife and nothing after death, then what is the purpose of having this life? Why be born at all, why exist if your grandest dreams and achievements do not mean ANYTHING at all? Who cares that you are Micheal Jordan, or Tiger woods, or Bill clinton, or the dude who comes up with the cure of Aids?

I will grant you this - when you have this perspective, approaching model quality women becomes very easy. Because it doesn't fvcking matter

 

[Falcon]

There are over 6 billion people in this world right now. 6,000,000,000. That is so many people, that you and I can't actually fathom it. Try imagining 100,000 people - that is a stadium full of fans. Now imagine 60,000 more stadiums just like that... I can't do it.

The fact that we have 6 billion people in this world that have no idea why the fvck they are here or where they are going is what scares me and makes me mad at the same time. We have been around for what, 150,000 years + (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0612sapiens.asp) and we still have no idea what the fvck is going on?

George Carlin is right - we shouldn't be worrying about the planet, it had survived for millions of years. It can shake us off like fleas and keep going... but what about us. If there is no afterlife and nothing after death, then what is the purpose of having this life? Why be born at all, why exist if your grandest dreams and achievements do not mean ANYTHING at all? Who cares that you are Micheal Jordan, or Tiger woods, or Bill clinton, or the dude who comes up with the cure of Aids?

I will grant you this - when you have this perspective, approaching model quality women becomes very easy. Because it doesn't fvcking matter

I'm a little confused Oxide, maybe you can clarify things for me. After that last statement you made, do you like having this perspective of nothing really matters? Because at least it lets you approach women? If so, I thought wrong because you kept saying stuff like how this question "plagues you deep inside" and stuff.

Anyway, I still see the same thing I've been trying to tell you. You are trying to be more than human. The 6 billion people you mention, why do you care so much about them? Were you appointed by Nature or Nature's God to be their official babysitter? Why do you care so much about what they are doing? Look at your posts, all you talk about is other people, other people, and more other people. Is that how you want to live your life? Through other people?

 

[Docs]

Did you make that up, or did you learn in from some philosophy book. Explain it a little better, please.

Philosophy 101, never read it. That was my view point. Feel free to comment on it.

 

[Oxide]

You have this thought seeded in your head that is leading you away from the issue. I don't talk about other people, I talk about the humanity, at least I am trying to... do you not want to know why you are here and why we even place any emphasis on life? I can guarantee you that every country has a different price for a life. But in the end, that price should not matter because we can't bribe death.

May be I do like having this perspective at times..think about it - how much do guys stress over stupid stuff? This is like taking a fvck it all pill.

Obviously, you don't want to get caught up in the cycle of lethargy and do nothing with the "life" that you have been given... or do you? Why not do as many drugs as possible, drink as much as you can and have sex with any kind of woman imaginable, fat, ugly, hot, slutty... since nothing will really change in the long run..and nobody really matters.

 

[Falcon]

You have this thought seeded in your head that is leading you away from the issue. I don't talk about other people, I talk about the humanity, at least I am trying to... do you not want to know why you are here and why we even place any emphasis on life? I can guarantee you that every country has a different price for a life. But in the end, that price should not matter because we can't bribe death.

May be I do like having this perspective at times..think about it - how much do guys stress over stupid stuff? This is like taking a fvck it all pill.

I've already mentioned this, but I am TRYING TO LEAD YOU AWAY from this kind of thinking. I am avoiding the topic at hand on purpose. From what I've observed in life, there are two main paths to this kind of thinking that you have. A lot of people who think too deeply into this end up getting depressed, which can lead to worse things. Then in your posts, you mention that this question 'plagues' you deep down inside, or you are mad and scared, so I have doubts believing this is good for you. How often do you hear, "life is pointless" from people who take their own lives? The other path is that you actually seek and push yourself to find some 'ultimate' answer. You then dedicate your life to this question. A lot of philosophers are like this. While other people are living their lives, they instead seek this supreme answer, like they are chasing immortality. But when their time is up, what do they have to show for it? No answer and a life they wish they could live over.

Obviously, you don't want to get caught up in the cycle of lethargy and do nothing with the "life" that you have been given... or do you? Why not do as many drugs as possible, drink as much as you can and have sex with any kind of woman imaginable, fat, ugly, hot, slutty... since nothing will really change in the long run..and nobody really matters.

Yea, why not? No one is stopping you man. You have to do these things if you want to, it all boggles down to your choice (lol, feel like I'm taking a line from the matrix). If you do all of these things because you feel life is meaningless, you will still continue to feel like how you are now. It still all originates from yourself.

 

[Oxide]

Then I am curious - what is the purpose of your life? Be as specific as possible

 

[Falcon]

Then I am curious - what is the purpose of your life? Be as specific as possible

I'll be brief, but as of now, there are three things I see myself as.

Human:Male:Myself

No matter how much I try to go against it, I am those three things. I do not try to rise above humanity and transcend human nature, I embrace my sexuality, and I focus on and embrace myself (dreams, passions, etc...). In other words, the purpose of your life is to be who you are, which is Human:Male:Yourself.

Obviously I'm not going to post any personal stuff in this post, but feel free to PM me any questions or comments.

 

[insanity]

even if at the end of the day that everything i did meant absolutely nothing. oh well. the other day i was having some beer and it dawned on me. for thousands of years we have been using ink to write letters, to print pictures and flyers etc.
it's time for ink to evolve. i want to develope something more better than ink and cheaper and doesn't rely on octopuses. i'm no scientist and the name i come up with was.....DINK! yep its time for ink to step down.

 

[jonwon]

This question had been dawning me for the last couple months. I get caught up in the petty bullshiit and, when stepping back and looking at the big picture, I ask myself "What for?"

Why did I go out and try to get girls tonight? Why did I flirt, dance, touched their freshly shaven legs and vaginas that were barely covered by a common towel.

Why did I ask my friend how he would go about making 10,000$ if he had to do it right now. Why did we start dreaming about nice cars, nice condos...

Why am I going to school, why do I want to have a good job, why do I want to buy nice things and impress girls with shiny stuff?


Take the most powerful person in the world. I will use Bush as an example here. If Bush was to die today, in a hundered years, nobody would care. Nobody is really going to care after you and I die either. This Earth had been around for millions of years, and nobody can affect it so much that.... that it would matter for something.

Blow up London... set NYC on fire... nuke Vegas... who cares? We are miniscule creatures that are so busy in our daily lives that we do not know what it is we are actually living for.

Look up at the sky, see the stars... what is the reason? What is out there? WHY ARE WE ALIVE? Why has this process of having kids and passing on genes lasted so long.. what are we going towards?

What is a person making 40k and living in the suburbs doing... why is he going to work every day? Why does he keep trying to make more money and get more things or get more... happiness?

It is the moments that we feel good in that make this life? My time spent with my dog, friends, some girls, parents... but all of those do not answer the question.



Some people rely on religion... I am an atheist and for me this stuff is very very depressing. My mother believes you are reincarnated in the next life to make up for the mistakes you made in this one. I believe you rot in the ground... but the question is out there.. and it plagues me deep inside - What is all this for?

The point of life is simply:
To 'experiance' being HUMAN there is no other point.

Or experiance being a cat, i just hope if i have to experiance being a cat or a domesticated animal i wont have vulpine as my owner.

There is only one conculsive answer for this question and yes i have analyzed it alot to about 15x the depth you have!

it will alwasy lead back to simply experiancing LIFE as a HUMAN, thats it and there is nothing more as there really does not need to be any more then simply that.

How you choose to live THIS LIFE is upto you, me well there are too many good stuff out of life to worry about why i am living it!

Our knowledge on the world around us is simply infantile, so who knows what the real picture is and the design of it all, jsut know regardless of the plan or design or what ever it is, you are here experiancing being HUMAN that in itself is the only logical answer, for what purpose who knows? even if you understood the reason why would it change anything or simply restrict your life.

Life is not about conformity or understanding (as the question on knowing may actually do more harm then good, if there was a answer in the first place)! it is about being free and experiancing, that is all.

 

[insanity]

experience being a human is what life is about. imagine being a dog or a cat. they are just that and they probably could care less about global warming or wars as long as they get fed and a pat on the head.

 

[Oxide]

Imagine is in the afterlife the only thing that counted in previous life was how many times you drove a car, or how many high fives you gave out, or how many times you slipped in the shower. That would be pretty lame.


Now, check this out for some nerve racking: souls leave your body, they are invisible, they are ghosts (And people claim they see ghosts once in awhile).... well, what if EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER DIED is just floating around here..invisible to us. So they can see you but you can't see them... so when you are wacking off at the PC, there is a good chance your grand grandmother or a dead uncle can see you.

That's it, from now on I'm wearing a mask

 

[Vulpine]

Or experiance being a cat, i just hope if i have to experiance being a cat or a domesticated animal i wont have vulpine as my owner.

HEY, HEY, HEY!!!! :box:

I treat my cat better than "anyone" else in my life: he is faithful, and has been in my life surely longer than any woman (barring family) has, or male friend for that matter (8 years).

He's leash trained, comes when I call him, and I have one of those water fountain purification dealies for him. Not only that, but I feed Fukkface raw venison scraps, muskrat, and beever when I have it. He's a little fuxing king. In fact, I claim that HE is the master of the house and I am merely the custodian and enforcer of the rules.

Dude, I b!tchslapped a guy and bulldogged his azz out into the hallway for back-rubbing my cat's fur after the cat hissed at him for doing it the first time. I told him: "Don't fux with my cat, azzhole." Disrespect my cat and violate his trust and you disrespect me and have me to answer to. :trouble: Fuxxing with a kick-azz cat is just plain retarded sh!t. I don't associate with retards - gitdafukout! I hold my friends in high regard, and my cat qualifies as a friend.

Oh, and he didn't like his previous name, so HE picked "Fukk Face". Yeah, so he has to smell a fart or two... he doesn't mind. And neither would you, if YOU were a cat. You'd be lucky to have me for an owner.:kick:

 

[PureFlow]

Not that I belief any of what I am about to write: it is one more futile explanation, one out of the many vainglorious attempts, for the purpose and meaning of life.

To find the ultimate reason for living, the purpose, the meaning, of life, is to assume beforehand that it can be stated in a simple sentence, using, of course, language. But what if there is no thing such as eternal, absolute, objective truth? What if the great answer to the riddle of existence yesterday, was obsolete and meaningless today? Anyway, to find meaning and purpose in life, is, I think, a very personal and subjective journey and quest.

What if life in this universal was eternal? I would, I think, die after 5000 years from boredom, frustration, and insanity. Life is great, for a hundred years, but after this death becomes the Great Deliverance. You want to live forever?

What is the ultimate goal of this universe? The universe will evolve until it becomes a perfect state of Unity-Singularity-(Loving)-Consciousness. Could be? Maybe? Who knows. No Subject experiencing; no Object to perceive. There is only perfect unity, and everything that is a question, in a state of supreme perfection, becomes meaningless. I once heard a religious person claim this; whether I belief this myself, I do not know.

The meaning of life? the purpose? How about:

1. To Become the best person you Can become. Is this not a good purpose?
2. To fully experience and enjoy life; both the pleasures, and the pains; both the ups, and the downs. To act Selflessly, Altruistically; to Love and have Sex; to have Children, Love them, and be a great Parent; to experience altered states of Flow consciousness; to Create Art, and to Enjoy Art; to enjoy being around People in all kinds of ways; to enjoy the best Food and Drinks on the planet; to Travel and see the Greatest and most Beautiful Places on Earth, to see the Artwork of Nature. Is that meaning enough?
3. To attain Enlightened Consciousness--even some atheists can, I think, agree with this. A good purpose?

If you ask questions about the meaning of life, the problem is, probably, that your life is not meaningful enough. But what do I know?

Lastly, answer this: Is life worth living, or do you, like the eastern Hindus, want to be released from the continual suffering of the wordly, which is caused, they say, by our never-ending desires? I think Life is worth living, worth desiring; but you must seek it in the right places, or living will become too heavy a burden to carry while being on the Great and Long Path of Life.

 

[Falcon]

Falcon, so what if one decided to solely focus on himself, does that mean anything? When his time is up it's up, nothing he's done, for himself or other people will matter. You might say something like "well one might contribute a great deal to humanity and help a lot of people", but does it matter? What's the point? The helper and those helped will die, you can't cheat death (whatever that is. By the way, can anyone imagine that? That nothingness, non existence. It's freaky really, like you're no longer a part of this world. I don't want that. Do you Oxide?). It's pointless to argue this, for one it doesn't matter what is being said and second it puts us in a bad mood. I was having such a nice day Oxide before I came across this thread!

It is all in perspective, that is all. Let me explain. There was a time where living in this world was a lot dangerous than it is now (it still may be depending on where you live). Imagine if a plague came and killed off a third of the population in your country today. Do you think everyone just sat there and complained at how life has no meaning. No they didn’t. Instead, they actually valued life even more after that. As a result, an age of Enlightenment came forth, and many beautiful things from that age still last today. Imagine if you were to have some grave illness (not that I wish that). Would that not change your perspective? The problem is, in some places, life is not as fragile as it used to be. When someone dies from unnatural causes, you hear it on the news and it is made a big deal. But in ages past, dieing was no big deal at all! It was common. You don’t know how great you have it! There are so many people who had their life cut short, who never had a chance to live their life. They would do anything to have your life. There are people in the Middle East and in third world countries who would do anything to have the opportunity you have. Does not the saying “You are the prize” ring ever more true?

Please do not condemn the thread itself. I myself have learned a great deal by putting down my thoughts. This forum is here for us to learn

Now to tackle the beast and put it in its rightful place. Oh wait, PureFlow already did! Thank you! Listen to what he has to say.

The meaning of life? the purpose? How about:

1. To Become the best person you Can become. Is this not a good purpose?
2. To fully experience and enjoy life; both the pleasures, and the pains; both the ups and downs. To act Selflessly, Altruistically; to Love and have Sex; to have Children, Love them, and be a great Parent; to experience altered states of Flow consciousness; to Create Art, and to Enjoy Art; to enjoy being around People in all kinds of ways; to enjoy the best Food and Drinks on the planet; to Travel and see the Greatest and most Beautiful Places on Earth, to see the Artwork of Nature. Is that meaning enough?
3. To attain Enlightened Consciousness--even some atheists can, I think, agree with this. A good purpose?

You can tell he gets it! This is all merely a choice of perspective! How you want to see it!

So we are all going to die. What’s the point of doing anything, because at the end it will have no real meaning. Right? You are right that we all die, but that is such a terrible way to look at it. I would rather have the opposite! We will all die, but why not live life the way you want to? The most fulfilling way, the way you want to. Because after all, we’re all going to die anyway right? Aha! The beast does have a weakness! I am merely restating what PureFlow has! Since we are all going to die, why not do whatever you want. Pursue all your interests and passions, travel to see the whole world (and maybe even off this world in the future), go for whatever woman you desire. Why can’t you go for all these things. Is Time holding you back? No, he merely commands when it begins and ends, it is up to you to fill in the middle.

The problem I have with the former viewpoint of the above paragraph is that the people who uphold it act live they’ve done everything in life. They talk about Michael Jordan and how pointless it is to be him. But have they been in his shoes? Have they done what he has done? Why do they act like you understand him so well? Why don’t they try to do what he did, and then come back and tell me it was pointless. “But it is pointless to even try!” they say. Then if that is your choice, no one can help you.

But wait, PureFlow has more to say!

If you ask questions about the meaning of life, the problem is, probably, that your life is not meaningful enough. But what do I know?

Lastly, answer this: Is life worth living, or do you, like the eastern Hindus, want to be released from the continual suffering of the wordly, which is caused, they say, by our never ending desires? I think Life is worth living, worth desiring; but you must seek it in the right places, or living will become too heavy a burden to carry while being on the Great and Long Path of Life.

Ah, he is now attacking the core of the problem. People who end up living life the way they want have themselves straightened out. They have their own goals, passions, and dreams. The waking of each day is new opportunity to pursue those passions. They see beauty in life! Things like ‘Love’, which is hated upon and thought of as ‘AFC’, are actually one of the reasons many people enjoy life. Maybe you never experienced any of the beauties in life? Can you claim that you see a piece of art like the artist does? Maybe the artist sees something you missed? So instead of carrying the attitude that everything is pointless, and that you’ve already done everything life has to offer, why don’t you actually do those things and explore life. Then you can come back to me and tell me it is all meaningless.

 

[Oxide]

We, as humans, operate around feelings. The sense of great achievement, the unbelievable struggle, the greatest joy of having a child, the pride of producing art and having people see it (and yes I've done this), the excitement of danger - it is all feelings.Feelings is what drives MJ to practice..the feeling of feeling great knowing you are the best. Feeling is what drives us to approach girls.. the feeling of horniness and the feeling of want of sex.

Cut out the feelings that feed you daily, what do we have left? What if the end goal only mattered? So you scored 20,000 pts? So you had two offspring? You say life is valuable? May be. But when life was hard to come by people just had more kids. Out of 18 two of three would survive. Your life is an accident. The right timing, the right sperm... the right incubation and delivery.

We have 80 years on this earth.. It is like we won a ticket to the Rollercoaster.. so we should be happy. Make it count! Enjoy it! SCORE AS MANY POINTS AS YOU CAN, EMOTIONAL OR PHYSICAL. MAKE MONEY. MAKE FEELINGS. Get off the rollercoaster and realize you are exactly where you started.

 

[PureFlow]

It is true that, for the most part, Oxide, people do things to feel and experience good feelings and emotions, but, as you may know from great historic examples, the greatest and most noble deeds are done by people, both ordinary and great, who dedicate their life, or give their life, to a Cause greater than themselves.

Read this story, for example: the Battle of Thermopylae

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

300 Spartans, the bravest among mankind, defended themselves against an army of +200.000 man strong. Why? Because they believed life was worth fighting for, even worth dying for, and without these 300 most brave man, we, the Western people, would probably not exist right now.

I am not saying, Oxide, that if you devote your life to other people, or if you even give your life to some higher cause, that your life will suddenly become much more meaningful, but it does mean that life is not only about personal satisfaction and gratification.

Your perspective, Oxide, is a very personal one; this is no criticism or praise, but just how things are. You consider, at the moment, life rather meaningless; but other people, with other lives and other beliefs, have considered life immensely meaningful, so much so, that they even gave their lives to protect it for their children.

Nothing stays the same, Oxide, not even your beliefs about life; and I think, sometime in the future, you perspective on life will have changed into one that does give your life sense, meaning, and purpose. Remember when you did not drink for two days, and were so thirsty you felt like drinking an entire lake? and then, once you finally drank something, if felt better than ever before? When it comes to human life, I think it is the same: after a period of meaninglessness, a period full of meaning will come, and it will then be more intense than ever before.

I do not know anything else to say; probably cannot say anything else. Life is a long journey, sometimes a mysterious quest, and the answers do not always show themselves so easily. Be patient, be clever, be strong and be brave, look Truth straight into its sometimes dark eyes, and usually, at some point, things will become better.