The real reason why females will always be at an advantage

[ketostix]

Not really, if you know what you are doing. Women can't get laid by every guy thats into them, they wouldn't even have time to study or go to work.

Well see that's my point men are in greater supply.

 

[ketostix]

I agree... I think I had it easier than my father and my uncles as far as the amount of woman I have had sex with as opposed to them. But quality was better back than.

See that's why I'm not going to bother responding to a few of the macho replies that basically are some rendition of, "Well as long as I'm getting laid regularly by girls HB6 and up (or as long as I believe I can even if I'm actually not) I don't care how much I have to go through just as long as I get pvssy from a 6 or better." But see that's the mentality that plays right into women's hands really. As long as the only thing men demand is pvssy, women can hold and ration the pvssy all the while continuously raise the bar for men to jump.

 

[ketostix]

In response to the OP, pvssy is never in limited supply. Women significantly outnumber men on this planet.

OK first of, and let's put aside the quality issue, it's simply not the case that women outnumber men. Pvssy is in limited supply to demand. Pvssy may not be in limited supply to the rockstars, and extremely rich in famous, but for most every other guy his demand out wieghs his supply. But, and let's put aside that a person could want more than just pvssy from females, that's not my point of whether or not any particular man can get enough pvssy or not. The point is despite equal numbers of men and women, men are effectively in high supply. And the second point is, men as a group had something they coul control the supply basically taken away from them. You can slice it any way you want, and a person can claim well there's just big winners and more losers, but still women have the advantage.

It is only limited by 1) your lack of game or value, and 2) environmental factors, such as geographic locale and personal circumstances. Also to a degree by looks.

Well I agree but the advantage that women have allows them to continuously raise the bar for men to jump while they do less.




BUT, there is always another. You only become powerless when you forget this.[/QUOTE]

OK I never said any men were powerless I said the advantages have all been given to women. That's an extreme interpretation.

 

[synergy1]

Here is a clip from Paul Janka's article from a few months back;

Don’t fall for women’s façade. It’s been my experience that women are heavily front-loaded in what they can offer - their value-proposition. She may look fit, sexy and sophisticated, but after you’ve banged her and she’s naked, with mascara running down her face and she’s trying to stuff her thighs into a pair of too small jeans at 2am, you’ll realize she’s just another person trying to get by.

Men have the advantage, and the power in many instances in the dating world. We have the power of choice . A great deal of Women have to leave their sex lives to change, albeit this correlation is roughly the inverse as they get hotter. Many of my girl friends have to wait for a guy to come into their lives. Most of them have to put themselves out there and hope a guy will take interest. This isn't power or raising the bar; its complete powerlessness. ( is that even a word? )

Well I agree but the advantage that women have allows them to continuously raise the bar for men to jump while they do less.


I respectfully disagree with this statement based on what I have observed in the professional world, and living in the city. Women don't raise the bar. They are tired of the same **** they see every day from pathetic carbon copy frat boys. Women don't do less, you ever meet an ambitious women in the working world? I know of plenty ( not saying I would want to be with them, but that is not the topic) you ever meet one that busts their metaphorical balls at the gym?

 

[ketostix]

Men have the advantage, and the power in many instances in the dating world. We have the power of choice . A great deal of Women have to leave their sex lives to change, albeit this correlation is roughly the inverse as they get hotter. Many of my girl friends have to wait for a guy to come into their lives. Most of them have to put themselves out there and hope a guy will take interest. This isn't power or raising the bar; its complete powerlessness. ( is that even a word? )

I appreciate your opinion but I disagree. As a man you really only have the choice, more like the duty, to approach women. The woman still has the choice. Also there's nothing stopping women from approaching a guy, let alone giving him a wink and a nod and 9 times out of 10 he'll approach.

Well I agree but the advantage that women have allows them to continuously raise the bar for men to jump while they do less.


I respectfully disagree with this statement based on what I have observed in the professional world, and living in the city. Women don't raise the bar. They are tired of the same **** they see every day from pathetic carbon copy frat boys. Women don't do less, you ever meet an ambitious women in the working world? I know of plenty ( not saying I would want to be with them, but that is not the topic) you ever meet one that busts their metaphorical balls at the gym?

To be honest with you no I haven't seen enough women busting their balls in the gym. I don't really see how ambitious women in the work place or them allegedly not liking frat boy copies is proof against them raising the bar for men to jump. If women aren't in the market for frat boys than frat boys lose and have to come up with a different persona. And I have met ambitious women in the workforce, and they usually bring their pettinss and drama there too. You could always find a guy that could do the job better.

 

[Mr. Me]

4. AFC's caused this. We made woman this way. If everyone carried themselves in an alpha way than this BS would not fly and woman would be woman. Instead we have a bunch of men who are not good providers. Who don't embrace there masculinity. Who go against other men and side with the feminist agenda

Along those lines, I had the extreme displeasure the other night of attending a social for people aged around 35 to 52. I have NEVER been in a room with so many low esteem, bitter, desperate women nor chump men before in my life.

One rather ugly looking woman was telling me how she is embarking upon a new career as a coach. I asked her if she was successful in whatever field she would be coaching and she said she wasn't, so I asked how is it possible to coach someone in something you know nothing about? She took that as a slight and walked away and apparently informed several other people that I was a "negative force".

Another was an admitted feminist, another ugly woman, who starts a conversation about feminism. Duh. Me, I'm trying to mostly be humorous, you know, it's a nioght otu, we ought to be having fun and at least make the best of the night, but these dames wouldn't have it! She walked away because I made a joke.

Another half-way cute gal starts telling me how she can't find a guy that will commit. So I made a joke about commitment, and guess what? She puts this contemptuous look on her face. Oh man.

No wonder these women can't find - or keep - men.

Now, the MEN that were in these little conversational circles were like a support group for these women in that they were going along with their agenda. Like female men, they were.

Good lord, you can't have your own opinion if it differs from theirs, you can't make a joke, you can't stand up for males and you can't ask an honest, pointed question.

And did I mention that they're ugly too?!

 

[ketostix]

Along those lines, I had the extreme displeasure the other night of attending a social for people aged around 35 to 52. I have NEVER been in a room with so many low esteem, bitter, desperate women nor chump men before in my life.

One rather ugly looking woman was telling me how she is embarking upon a new career as a coach. I asked her if she was successful in whatever field she would be coaching and she said she wasn't, so I asked how is it possible to coach someone in something you know nothing about? She took that as a slight and walked away and apparently informed several other people that I was a "negative force".

Another was an admitted feminist, another ugly woman, who starts a conversation about feminism. Duh. Me, I'm trying to mostly be humorous, you know, it's a nioght otu, we ought to be having fun and at least make the best of the night, but these dames wouldn't have it! She walked away because I made a joke.

Another half-way cute gal starts telling me how she can't find a guy that will commit. So I made a joke about commitment, and guess what? She puts this contemptuous look on her face. Oh man.

No wonder these women can't find - or keep - men.

Now, the MEN that were in these little conversational circles were like a support group for these women in that they were going along with their agenda. Like female men, they were.

Good lord, you can't have your own opinion if it differs from theirs, you can't make a joke, you can't stand up for males and you can't ask an honest, pointed question.

And did I mention that they're ugly too?!

Lol. This is exemplifies exactly what I was trying to get at.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...We would not have these rules if woman today were what they should be woman.

Damn good analysis.

 

[Señor Fingers]

Well if you think having an advantage constitutes being catered to by a bunch of clueless prospects who couldn't satisfy you if someone drew them a freaking map then yeah, women are wayyyy ahead of us.

Something to consider: only 1/3 of them have orgasms (some dont even know how to have one from masturbating) Most are angry, bitter, and frustrated sexually and emotionally, because real men are even more rare and valued commodity than poon.

Their beauty is also much more fleeting, they bleed every month and they are completely governed by their crazy emotions. How about that labor pain? Yep, women sure have us at a disadvantage

In all seriousness, they do have a sexual advantage in the sense that even a mediocre woman can get laid at the drop of a hat... its too bad getting laid isnt as important to them as finding someone who can not only light their fire but will commit to them, and we all know how common that is.

But if it makes you feel better to rant about how unfair game is, then more power to ya... (even though its actually less)

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

..In all seriousness, they do have a sexual advantage in the sense that even a mediocre woman can get laid at the drop of a hat... its too bad getting laid isnt as important to them as finding someone who can not only light their fire but will commit to them, and we all know how common that is...

And this goes back to the point that ZenMod made about beliefs and do I dare say your perception of reality having a powerful influence over your life and also what squirrels had said about this being a big problem because it weakens men (in so many words). Guys need to feel comfortable enough to walk away from these bad situations and be strong enough not to submit themselves to similar situations in the future.

 

[ketostix]

But if it makes you feel better to rant about how unfair game is, then more power to ya... (even though its actually less)

I see you repeating that old argument one a lot of guys make and even women will use against a guy if he says women have too many advantages. Let me ask you this, Do you think for one minute that when feminst were complaining and banging away at men, any other females ever said something like that to these women? How many women ever criticise other women even now? How many do it on this forum. Does iqqi or any one else? That's right they never do. Women complain and attack men to get their way.

See that's why men are at a disadvantage (I realize your stance is that a disadvantage doesn't exist if you just ignore it), they have no unity and too much, I don't know silly macho pride I guess. But let me point out one more thing, reality is reality regardless of perception.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

But perception is based on how how a person interacts with reality, that's what makes it their personal perception. One person's reality isn't reality for everyone.

I can't say that what you experience isn't true but I can say that I don't experience it in my perception of reality. You may think simplistically that guys must just ignore that it happens but how can a guy ignore something that doesn't happen to him in the first place? It doesn't exist for everyone.

 

[ketostix]

You may think simplistically that guys must just ignore it but how can a guy ignore something that doesn't happen to him in the first place?

Well it's very simple and common to ignore or not accept something that is happening. Various situations in one-itis is a common and obvious example. If it's not actually happening then there's obviously nothing to ignore. But if it is happening, then ignoring it, and lying to yourslf and/or to others doesn't change reality one iota in and of its self.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Well if it were happening to me there would be no way to ignore it and I would definitely do something about it, permanently. Wait a second, I've already done that...

 

[ketostix]

Well if it were happening to me there would be no way to ignore it and I would definitely do something about it, permanently. Wait a second, I've already done that...

There's that macho pride and posturing . But still the point remains that things and women could stand to be a lot better if they didn't have so many advantages.

 

[KarmaSutra]

I gotta get Victory Unlimited in this thread.

I wholeheartedly believe it's a matter pf perceptions. Us men have an extreme disadvantage if your perspective is one of minimalism. If you believe that the world is a barren and sullen place then of course you're not going to see opportunity which is standing in front of our faces.

I realized some time ago that if I don't make a concerted effort to pay attention to everything, I won't notice anything. For example: I have a red car. Bright red. I don't like blue cars, never have. Now when I'm driving down the road I don't take notice of the cool blue cars out there because I limit my perception to only colors I admire and find pleasing to my eye. It's the same with women. Once we've developed an eye for ALL women, or at the least the characterisitcs of what we admire, our peripheral vision expands exponentially. Because we've allowed ourselves to become aware of them.

The basic rules of the game are the same today as they were when Fred Flintstone was clubbing Wilma on the head. We have more options today is the difference. With the advent of the internet and personal media we have the ability to reach out and touch people who we only know by the personae they've established. We very rarely get an inkling of someone's true nature through an IM window.

We have to use all of this as fuel to widen our ideals and admit to ourselves that our perspective isn't the only perspective.

 

[edger]

The reason is females have control of something men want, basically pvssy.

The reason females will always be at an advantage is because they have a tougher criteria that a man must meet in order to become sexually intimate with him. That criteria being good game. It's not easy having "good game". You have to work and practice on it. All a woman has to do is work and practice on her looks which isn't that hard, compared to a guy who must develop good game. As you know, men just basically assess a woman one one thing, "Is she hot?" That isn't a hard criteria to meet.

 

[reset]

It's the same with women. Once we've developed an eye for ALL women, or at the least the characterisitcs of what we admire, our peripheral vision expands exponentially. Because we've allowed ourselves to become aware of them.

Bingo! We notice more abundance.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

At all levels men have the advantage. the only sphere of advantage women have is in the area(s) in which men have forgone.

 

[ketostix]

The reason females will always be at an advantage is because they have a tougher criteria that a man must meet in order to become sexually intimate with him. That criteria being good game. It's not easy having "good game". You have to work and practice on it. All a woman has to do is work and practice on her looks which isn't that hard, compared to a guy who must develop good game. As you know, men just basically assess a woman one one thing, "Is she hot?" That isn't a hard criteria to meet.

Yes, this is one practical result of what I'm saying. Women didn't use to be so arbitrary and petty. But the more men work harder to attract women the more capricious women can be. People can talk about perceptions and I understand that, but there's no way I'm going to buy that women don't have huge advantages in dating. So my position is why should they have taken way men's economic advantage?