The pursuit...but is there HOPE for good women?

[Babnik]

Its funny how people talk that women from Ukraine, Latin America and Asia are traditional and not nearly as slutty.

Well, when those women do come to USA colleges, they become just like other women... They also like it because its a free country and they can do what they WANT.

Many women get married at early age and get PISSED because they didn't get to date many men. Those countries with GOOD traditional women have divorce rates HIGHER than USA!

So, that renders all women as sluts. All women want to f*ck around, want to have the alpha male, treated like crap, be selfish and cheat.

So, is it not pointless to LOOK for a woman who is NOT a cold-hearted man with tits IF allowed to do whatever she wants to and having no extreme societal pressure?

I always hoped to find a girl I can actually LOVE and not have to be a real **** to her. It doesn't mean I want to be AFC and not be a man, but I can't possibly LOVE or have feelings for women who want to be treated like sh*t.


ARE THERE GOOD WOMEN OUT THERE?

Are there there women who ARE NOT VIRGINS and yet CAN control their sexuality?

Are there women who PREFER (not forced) to stay home and raise children and be "domesticated" than going out and having fun, getting drunk, and laid?

Are there women who would NOT cheat with a bad boy because they CAN control their emotions and can THINK with brain? I mean MEN CAN keep their ****s in their pants if they really want to!




If not, then whats the point of ever pursuing a relationship? You can just f*ck them like dogs and tell them to go to hell, but you CAN NEVER LOVE.
And don't you WANT to love someone? I know I do, but I don't know if there is any woman out there worth loving...

 

[Redux]

You are on a good path. Questioning is the key. Now, go deeper.

And don't you WANT to love someone? I know I do, but I don't know if there is any woman out there worth loving...

Why do you want to love someone?

 

[Babnik]

You are on a good path. Questioning is the key. Now, go deeper.



Why do you want to love someone?

Because its natural and I can't just live entirely for myself. Its pointless. You can give me all the money in the world and riches and power and tell me I can have ANY woman I want at any day for sex, but I would still PREFER just ONE who is worthy and who will care about me.

If it wasn't for love for our KIDS, for example, then they would all be freaking bitter criminals, don't you think?

We, as HUMANS, not animals have morals and feelings BESIDES instincts. Our animal instincts are strong, but if thats all we cared about then we would stil in stone age hunting animals to eat.

 

[Charm&Style]

i had the same mind set too...2 or 3 years ago.

Dont lose hope, there are a ton of virgins chicks and a ton of non-virgin chicks who can control their sexuality. They havent lost their morals, principles, ethical values and so on like the typical american woman you see being chanted on this site.

Im not flaming on american woman at all, but on this site they only speak of american woman in a way that views them as a wh0res and slvts, which in most cases is true, personal experience of the white chicks ive been with, the chicks at clubs ive been with for a nite, random fvck nite with white girl that just wants to let loose and have "fun"

Being in sales, ive communicated with tons of great girls, tons of girls that arent in the dirty dirty.

Dumbas$ people on this site go on and on and on saying how women are sexual beings...way more hornier than guys...and are all slvts within but dont want to be viewed as one.

True, But for the american woman for the most part. We all have hormones and are all horny, but that does not mean you can label a girl for having hormones and being horny because of her natural being as a slvt who does not want to be viewd as one.

Its funny though, being from a persian culture, girls and guys are known for having what is called in farsi "gheyrat" which means that our mind set is to control our sexuality and only show our sexuality to our spouce.

Now being persian and coming to the US when i was 4, i kinda didnt follow that road, and i know many persian girls who are totally americanized and have become total slvts, like what you had stated above.

Anyways after getting enough experience ive changed my mindset back to they "gheyrat" stage and have found tons and tons of chill girls who guys like us should be after.

 

[hyperactive]

Babnik I think you may be projecting with this "love" thing. This is the problem I see with Western approached to relationships and marriage. They start off with too many expectations. Stiop thinking about morals and kids etc.

I think a much more mature approach to love and commitment is tantra. From what I understand it goes deeper than commitment and family and growing old together and expecting too much from one another. The way I see tantra is as a union that is free in every given moment. It is a partnership that is not bound by artifical confines imposed by religion and vows. It is complete trust in one another that whatever happens is what was meant to happen. It is using your partner as a resource for affection, lovemaking, a kind of sidekick in life.

I think it may be counterproductive to appriach love with such expectations. I think it may be the same with persuing women as when you get them, just take it moment by moment. Of course this runs counter to the DJ mantra of having a plan. Paradoxically I think having a plan and sticking to it can do wonders for the self confidence but the goal should be to be spontaneous. Having a plan is for begginers. Being spontaneous is real and sincere. Similairly with relationships. Commitment is something unnatural that is imposed upon the union by our minds. It is an attempt to control. To really get deeper into love I think it is important to release these binds and experience true freedom from desire.

 

[Redux]

Because its natural and I can't just live entirely for myself. Its pointless. You can give me all the money in the world and riches and power and tell me I can have ANY woman I want at any day for sex, but I would still PREFER just ONE who is worthy and who will care about me.

If it wasn't for love for our KIDS, for example, then they would all be freaking bitter criminals, don't you think?

We, as HUMANS, not animals have morals and feelings BESIDES instincts. Our animal instincts are strong, but if thats all we cared about then we would stil in stone age hunting animals to eat.

Is it? Do animals seek to love each other?
So you believe finding a woman worth of your love will stop making your life pointless?
Humans are animals.

 

[Babnik]

Babnik I think you may be projecting with this "love" thing. This is the problem I see with Western approached to relationships and marriage. They start off with too many expectations. Stiop thinking about morals and kids etc.

I think a much more mature approach to love and commitment is tantra. From what I understand it goes deeper than commitment and family and growing old together and expecting too much from one another. The way I see tantra is as a union that is free in every given moment. It is a partnership that is not bound by artifical confines imposed by religion and vows. It is complete trust in one another that whatever happens is what was meant to happen. It is using your partner as a resource for affection, lovemaking, a kind of sidekick in life.

I think it may be counterproductive to appriach love with such expectations. I think it may be the same with persuing women as when you get them, just take it moment by moment. Of course this runs counter to the DJ mantra of having a plan. Paradoxically I think having a plan and sticking to it can do wonders for the self confidence but the goal should be to be spontaneous. Having a plan is for begginers. Being spontaneous is real and sincere. Similairly with relationships. Commitment is something unnatural that is imposed upon the union by our minds. It is an attempt to control. To really get deeper into love I think it is important to release these binds and experience true freedom from desire.

But understand that having partner as a resource for affection, lovemaking, and a sidekick that is bound JUST by emotions and attraction will DEFINANTELY lead to her and you cheating, breaking up, and etc.
Lust and the attraction does not LAST. It never does. It is when people are bound by APPRECIATION and UNDERSTANDING (logical) that leads to happy partnership.

Love is passion, its high levels of happiness and SADNESS too! Its a range of emotions. It comes and makes you feel amazing and then it leaves you heart-broken.

Such love is not meant to last.

I experienced it, I do not want that tycoon anymore. But I AM young, only 19 and I am forced to have a choice between being alone (which is fine, I am introverted) and using women for sex. I can't love them.

And I think people also come to the same damn conclusion as I do but at much later age. By then women were ****ed by tens of men... Thats nasty.

I just don't know anymore. I want someone for myself, someone I can trust, but I can't trust them...

 

[Babnik]

Is it? Do animals seek to love each other?
So you believe finding a woman worth of your love will stop making your life pointless?
Humans are animals.

No, just NO.

We are NOT animals. We have animal instincts.

If you are an animal - go kill for food, go RAPE, go scream "ARRRR" and hunt down dogs or something.

Get the hell out of civilized world.

I think we should call you DOGGY from now on.

 

[Babnik]

i had the same mind set too...2 or 3 years ago.

Dont lose hope, there are a ton of virgins chicks and a ton of non-virgin chicks who can control their sexuality. They havent lost their morals, principles, ethical values and so on like the typical american woman you see being chanted on this site.

Im not flaming on american woman at all, but on this site they only speak of american woman in a way that views them as a wh0res and slvts, which in most cases is true, personal experience of the white chicks ive been with, the chicks at clubs ive been with for a nite, random fvck nite with white girl that just wants to let loose and have "fun"

Being in sales, ive communicated with tons of great girls, tons of girls that arent in the dirty dirty.

Dumbas$ people on this site go on and on and on saying how women are sexual beings...way more hornier than guys...and are all slvts within but dont want to be viewed as one.

True, But for the american woman for the most part. We all have hormones and are all horny, but that does not mean you can label a girl for having hormones and being horny because of her natural being as a slvt who does not want to be viewd as one.

Its funny though, being from a persian culture, girls and guys are known for having what is called in farsi "gheyrat" which means that our mind set is to control our sexuality and only show our sexuality to our spouce.

Now being persian and coming to the US when i was 4, i kinda didnt follow that road, and i know many persian girls who are totally americanized and have become total slvts, like what you had stated above.

Anyways after getting enough experience ive changed my mindset back to they "gheyrat" stage and have found tons and tons of chill girls who guys like us should be after.

I agree. I, and some of my friends pretty much quit wanting to hook up with girls.

Even Neil Strauss said that he DEHUMINIZED himself in that manner.

Many come to that. They have sex and then just realize that sex BY ITSELF, without love is meaningless.

 

[djbr]

Its funny how people talk that women from Ukraine, Latin America and Asia are traditional and not nearly as slutty.

Well, when those women do come to USA colleges, they become just like other women... They also like it because its a free country and they can do what they WANT.

It's just a matter of opportunity. They want it. When they can do it, they do it. Simple logic.

And I am from Brazil. If they can do it with less-to-none consequences they will do it. They can rationalize it later and chups will buy it anyway. She gets the best of both worlds.

All this talk is just man talk. Women don't care. They know they can have their way. Ironically enough, the guys who they get real hot for are the ones who knows this and do not get played, thus turning the situation to his own benefit.

Many women get married at early age and get PISSED because they didn't get to date many men. Those countries with GOOD traditional women have divorce rates HIGHER than USA!

...making the "good" thing absolutely pointless.

So, that renders all women as sluts. All women want to f*ck around, want to have the alpha male, treated like crap, be selfish and cheat.

Get used to it. Yes it's a hard pillow to swallow, but we better get used to it. At least we're not chasing an illusion.

So, is it not pointless to LOOK for a woman who is NOT a cold-hearted man with tits IF allowed to do whatever she wants to and having no extreme societal pressure?

I still believe some are better than the others, just like some men. The point is, the belief that there is some girl who will do everything to you, cook, clean, be loyal and still bring good sex is nothing but a lie.

It's when you are 100% sure she can go fvck herself and you'll not even notice, that's when they want to stick around like madness. Show you depend on her for anything, you are dead meat.

I always hoped to find a girl I can actually LOVE and not have to be a real **** to her. It doesn't mean I want to be AFC and not be a man, but I can't possibly LOVE or have feelings for women who want to be treated like sh*t.

Dig deeper. Women want what they can't have. It's not about being a azzhole, it's about being valuable. You can show AFC traits but if you can bring on some competition you'll still be valuable. Of course this gets harder when you're into a LTR, but you get my point.

ARE THERE GOOD WOMEN OUT THERE?

Are there there women who ARE NOT VIRGINS and yet CAN control their sexuality?

Condition and opportunity (credit Rollo Tomassi).

Are there women who PREFER (not forced) to stay home and raise children and be "domesticated" than going out and having fun, getting drunk, and laid?

Short answer: no.

Long answer: no. way. -- if they can get away with it partying they'll most definitely do it.

That's what make guys get shocked -- they just CAN do whatever they want now. That was denied to them in the past, but the urge was always there.

Are there women who would NOT cheat with a bad boy because they CAN control their emotions and can THINK with brain? I mean MEN CAN keep their ****s in their pants if they really want to!

The question is: is this better for HER?

She may not cheat, but if presented with a better option, why would she stay with the worse one?

And don't say you were not going to do the same cause you would, unless something big was at play (child support?)

If not, then whats the point of ever pursuing a relationship? You can just f*ck them like dogs and tell them to go to hell, but you CAN NEVER LOVE.

And this is a problem because...?

This puts you in the position of choosing, which is a great place for you to be. Why complain?

They may say they love you being all loyal and dependable and stuff, but you can see what they feel when the bad boy comes around.

You may find a woman who you think it's worth keeping, but do that after you've had enough to choose from. She must know you're experienced and is with her because you tasted enough to choose well, thus being the "bad boy" in their eyes.

And don't you WANT to love someone? I know I do, but I don't know if there is any woman out there worth loving...

Loving in the way you're describing is just plain deluded.

No thanks. I had my balls handed on a plate to some woman in the past, ain't gonna happen again.

 

[hyperactive]

But understand that having partner as a resource for affection, lovemaking, and a sidekick that is bound JUST by emotions and attraction will DEFINANTELY lead to her and you cheating, breaking up, and etc.
Lust and the attraction does not LAST. It never does. It is when people are bound by APPRECIATION and UNDERSTANDING (logical) that leads to happy partnership.

Love is passion, its high levels of happiness and SADNESS too! Its a range of emotions. It comes and makes you feel amazing and then it leaves you heart-broken.

Such love is not meant to last.

I experienced it, I do not want that tycoon anymore. But I AM young, only 19 and I am forced to have a choice between being alone (which is fine, I am introverted) and using women for sex. I can't love them.

And I think people also come to the same damn conclusion as I do but at much later age. By then women were ****ed by tens of men... Thats nasty.

I just don't know anymore. I want someone for myself, someone I can trust, but I can't trust them...

Hey I agree in full with your "appreciation and understanding" statement. What I am saying is that commiting to someone and having expectations over the long run detracts form being fully commited to them in the moment. IMO marriages fail in great part because of this. I think that if a LTR or marriage happens to me it will be by accident. I will be with one woman for a long time and then it will be like "oh well, we've been together five years, might as well get married."

Traditional marriages are a thing of the past. It's time to move on and start creating mature unions with people that are our best friends and lovers. Remember that traditionally marriages occured for economic andsocial reasons, not for love. The modern marriage model is based on that archaic model. It's time for a fresh approach to combining the elements of yin and yang. That's what tantra is about, bringing a spiritual element into love and relationships and sex.

 

[Babnik]

It's just a matter of opportunity. They want it. When they can do it, they do it. Simple logic.

And I am from Brazil. If they can do it with less-to-none consequences they will do it. They can rationalize it later and chups will buy it anyway. She gets the best of both worlds.

All this talk is just man talk. Women don't care. They know they can have their way. Ironically enough, the guys who they get real hot for are the ones who knows this and do not get played, thus turning the situation to his own benefit.



...making the "good" thing absolutely pointless.



Get used to it. Yes it's a hard pillow to swallow, but we better get used to it. At least we're not chasing an illusion.



I still believe some are better than the others, just like some men. The point is, the belief that there is some girl who will do everything to you, cook, clean, be loyal and still bring good sex is nothing but a lie.

It's when you are 100% sure she can go fvck herself and you'll not even notice, that's when they want to stick around like madness. Show you depend on her for anything, you are dead meat.



Dig deeper. Women want what they can't have. It's not about being a azzhole, it's about being valuable. You can show AFC traits but if you can bring on some competition you'll still be valuable. Of course this gets harder when you're into a LTR, but you get my point.



Condition and opportunity (credit Rollo Tomassi).



Short answer: no.

Long answer: no. way. -- if they can get away with it partying they'll most definitely do it.

That's what make guys get shocked -- they just CAN do whatever they want now. That was denied to them in the past, but the urge was always there.



The question is: is this better for HER?

She may not cheat, but if presented with a better option, why would she stay with the worse one?

And don't say you were not going to do the same cause you would, unless something big was at play (child support?)



And this is a problem because...?

This puts you in the position of choosing, which is a great place for you to be. Why complain?

They may say they love you being all loyal and dependable and stuff, but you can see what they feel when the bad boy comes around.

You may find a woman who you think it's worth keeping, but do that after you've had enough to choose from. She must know you're experienced and is with her because you tasted enough to choose well, thus being the "bad boy" in their eyes.



Loving in the way you're describing is just plain deluded.

No thanks. I had my balls handed on a plate to some woman in the past, ain't gonna happen again.

So, that means women do not want to raise children.

If thats a natural state for a woman then why are we here now?

See, the way you describe things the world will END within the next generation or two.

Thats an insane idea. One of the human qualities and reasons for our survival is EXTENDED MATERNAL CARE. Mother can't care for a child by going out and partying.

My mom got hit on all the freaking time, but she was with just 2 men.
My sister was a virgin unil 24 and was with 2 men.

Both of them were just GORGEOUS because even now when I walk with my sister (who is 33, has 2 kids) they think she is my GF because she looks so young.

How do you explain this? They could have slept with 10s of alpha males because they were so good looking, but they refused. They lose their virginities AFTER marriage.

 

[Chosen1]

I'm glad you posted this because you are so right. I mean I see these asians that come from were ever they come from. When they get here they act all snotty and stuckup . I just makes me sick, I say look I'm a real American, my ancestors were slaves and I'm free. I don't act stuckup or anything like that.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Just to answer the title alone:

Of course. Just don't go into a club expecting to find them there.

 

[jigga23]

I scanned through but basically being in love is cool but honestly if youre younger like in 20's to early 30's it chews up too much time and money and there are too many ups and downs in love. ive been there and when it comes crashing down 50% chance it will it really sucks. im pretty happy i dont have anyone i can do whatever the fvck i want when i want and noone to answer too and worry about its great.

 

[djbr]

So, that means women do not want to raise children.

She may want to raise children, it just doesn't mean it's your (or mine, or anyone else's) children. And it does not mean that the guy she chooses to help raise the children will be the biological father.

They go, party, screw, get pregnant. After the mess is done, they search for a good nice guy to help her with the hard part. And when he is way too confortable, she dumps him, takes half of his sh1t and gets on the market again in search of another bad boy who excites her. After all, she can earn her own money, plus the money she took from the nice stable guy who helped her with the hard part when she needed it.

See the pattern? She she she she she.

You forget that in the old days a woman needed a man to take care of her children, like bringing home the bacon. In the past they needed a man to do that. Today they can just go to the local supermarket with the money they earned working at whatever. They are liberated, as you can notice when they scream this, so proud of themselves.

Why do you think there is a bad attitude towards single mothers on this board?

Maybe I am too cynical, but I just take care of my @ss.. I have more than enough examples to get WISE before stepping on this mess.

If thats a natural state for a woman then why are we here now?

Because there are guys who gets the good part (fvcking) and the guy who gets the bad part (raising another bastard child). There is a lot of societal pressure on that issue, but it is getting more and more relaxed day after day. That's why you are here asking this, in fact.

Deep down, we all know why women behaved the way they did.

See, the way you describe things the world will END within the next generation or two.

I do not come close to have this amount of power in my hands. But thank you

My mom got hit on all the freaking time, but she was with just 2 men.
My sister was a virgin unil 24 and was with 2 men.

...oh well...

OK OK they may exist, go find them. I for one would not count on that, but it's a free world after all.

How do you explain this? They could have slept with 10s of alpha males because they were so good looking, but they refused. They lose their virginities AFTER marriage.

Go find one like this for yourself. If you think finding a girl who will overlook your flaws instead of having them solved is a better option, who am I to stop you? I just wish (and I am being SINCERE on that) she does not discover she can do better. In the glorious past she would see it was not a good deal, but today she only wins doing this.

 

[Redux]

No, just NO.

We are NOT animals. We have animal instincts.

If you are an animal - go kill for food, go RAPE, go scream "ARRRR" and hunt down dogs or something.

Get the hell out of civilized world.

I think we should call you DOGGY from now on.

Damn. You know you could use the internet for more than learning about chicks, correct?

 

[hyperactive]

Actually humans are the only animals (maybe there is one or two exceptions) that forcibly have sex with their females. It is simply not done in the natural world.

 

[Babnik]

She may want to raise children, it just doesn't mean it's your (or mine, or anyone else's) children. And it does not mean that the guy she chooses to help raise the children will be the biological father.

They go, party, screw, get pregnant. After the mess is done, they search for a good nice guy to help her with the hard part. And when he is way too confortable, she dumps him, takes half of his sh1t and gets on the market again in search of another bad boy who excites her. After all, she can earn her own money, plus the money she took from the nice stable guy who helped her with the hard part when she needed it.

See the pattern? She she she she she.

You forget that in the old days a woman needed a man to take care of her children, like bringing home the bacon. In the past they needed a man to do that. Today they can just go to the local supermarket with the money they earned working at whatever. They are liberated, as you can notice when they scream this, so proud of themselves.

Why do you think there is a bad attitude towards single mothers on this board?

Maybe I am too cynical, but I just take care of my @ss.. I have more than enough examples to get WISE before stepping on this mess.



Because there are guys who gets the good part (fvcking) and the guy who gets the bad part (raising another bastard child). There is a lot of societal pressure on that issue, but it is getting more and more relaxed day after day. That's why you are here asking this, in fact.

Deep down, we all know why women behaved the way they did.



I do not come close to have this amount of power in my hands. But thank you



...oh well...

OK OK they may exist, go find them. I for one would not count on that, but it's a free world after all.



Go find one like this for yourself. If you think finding a girl who will overlook your flaws instead of having them solved is a better option, who am I to stop you? I just wish (and I am being SINCERE on that) she does not discover she can do better. In the glorious past she would see it was not a good deal, but today she only wins doing this.

and whats real funny is that my mom married an alpha who was always too busy for her screwing other women, cheating, dissing her, just real bad boy. So, they separated, but did not divorce. Then, she got pregnant by another man, a total AFC (she said the men predicted and knew her wishes before she even expressed them and she loved him for that) and made the alpha guy raise me. Pretty much forced .

Maybe this whole DJ stuff is like a locked circle. Books get published of how NOT to get laid so people buy more books and don't get laid and its a never-ending circle of failure failure and failure.

 

[Babnik]

Actually humans are the only animals (maybe there is one or two exceptions) that forcibly have sex with their females. It is simply not done in the natural world.

You are a rapist.