The plight of African Americans in game

[Jaylan]

I'm Native American, Norwegian/German/Spanish, black and appear like a much younger version of Troy Polamalu. I don't know if women of other races find the "African American" look anymore or less attractive than others but I personally find white women to be the easiest for me to attract (though I prefer latina's with tanned skin, dark hair, beautiful faces and perfectly round asses and ironically the women I prefer are the ones I find near impossible to have). Anyways I know where some of the guys here are coming from as there is some sort of pre-programmed resistance among all non black females towards black males. It does exist. Strangely enough I even had non black females verbally tell me that they really aren't all that attracted to black men yet they'll still mess around with me.

Lol same.

Ive had girls tell me they dont normally go for black guys, but then date me. Even took one chicks virginity back in the day, and I doubt her mom knows it. Her mom wasnt thrilled about her dating a black guy, so it stressed our relationship some. Id say I was the first black guy for about 70% of the women Ive dated.

So what Ive learned is "I dont date/Im not into black guys" = "I dont like a certain type of black guy" sometimes. Despite the main topic of the thread, Ive found that black guys like myself, who are educated, worldly, into "geeky" things, and in shape, do a lot better than the stereotypical hood type dudes when it comes to getting quality women of other races.

If anything I find men of all races (black and white included) being overly defensive of their white women around me especially if they become aware of their beloved trophies throwing smiles my way and making inappropriate eye contact while the man is around. I think it's a rather sad state.

I dont get defensive over a chick Im not banging. I could never understand how men get defensive over chicks they arent even getting sex from. Its pathetic and creepy.

Alot of black women hate dating white men. Period. Not all, but most. They don't like dating any other race besides black but they really hate dating white guys. I personally feel like they don't trust us very much. When you consider how they are jerked around in the dating market and how opening up to other races would give them some power you can only come to the conclusion that they really love black men OR they really hate white men. Probably both.

So generally, if you are a white dude who prefers black women you are way more s.o.l. than other races. Except maybe asian guys who prefer asian women sadly enough.

http://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/

Id say its a devotion to black men, but also a distrust of white men. A black man can understand a black womans life experiences more than any other type of man.

Ive heard more than a few black women say that they dont feel white men could relate to them culturally, especially when it comes to things like understanding what it feels like to be a minority or deal with certain forms of discrimination. Ive heard more than a few complain about particular white guys who whine despite having it better than the black chick in certain life areas.

And also, black women arent oblivious to the fact that many white men will use them for sex, and wait for the right white girl to come along for them to settle down with. I myself have heard white dudes say they would have sex with non-white women but not date them. Why would a chick wanna deal with that?

 

[zekko]

Black men can fvk and marry black women, but can also fvk white women, yet have a harder time marrying those white women.

White men, can pretty much only fvk and marry white women (as opposed to black women), and they still have to wait for the white woman to be done fvking everyone else first.

White men can marry Asian girls though. Maybe that's a consolation prize for not being able to get black women.

How do black men do with Asian women? It doesn't seem like I see many black men with Asian girls, although I did see a black gentleman with an Asian girl this past summer, and she was one of the most smoking hot girls I've ever seen.

 

[Solomon]

High value Over everything!

White men, can pretty much only fvk and marry white women (as opposed to black women), and they still have to wait for the white woman to be done fvking everyone else first.

My observations also support these thoughts above. So I have to say, it is hard for me empathize with the plight of black men when it appears to me that white men have it worse based upon these observations.

I can't knock your obeservations because it's your experince but I respectfully disagree.

My white naturals buddies do quite well with asian, latina, black and white women. I use to go out with this white guy quite a bit and he had the ladies go ga ga ga with ease. Guess what? The guy didn't have a car for 4.5 years but he was fuccing some asian dime for a long time and getting women was never an issue. It's not until this year that he has got a car and he's been dating this new asian girl now for a year and half.

I see white guys do quite well here in my town. But there is a catch, the white guys who do well here APPROACH. Whether it's at the gym or bar, they approach women. If they get shot down on to the next. Heck some of my friend don't even have to approach girls, girls approach them!

To many guys on this site IMO just rely on online game and that will fucck your menaltiy about women up because most women online are bottom of the barrell.

What it comes down to is this, are you a high value guy? If you are then it makes the game a lot easier

Just my thoughts

 

[Married Buried]

Zekko,

I was ignoring the other races since the prevalence on this thread seems to be black/white men/women.




Respect mate.

My observations are mainly based on the women I have slept with, my friends own adventures, and my own.

Basically, I have slept with a LOT of women. And more than just a few of them have slept with black men, but I hardly ever see inter-racial couples here. Contrast that with my having slept with only a couple of black/mulatto women. And my friends having slept with none at all.







I agree with a lot of this.

As an experiment though, try asking black women that you know or sleep with.....how many of them have slept with a white guy. Because as far as I can tell, white women are going wild with every type of man, but not many white men I know have managed to bed a black woman.

I would be curious to hear what you find.

I banged a black chick from Liberia. Yeah I am always looking for those foreign women. She was hot and feminine, nothing like American black women. The problem is she already had a kid so she was a pump and dump. She also laid there like a log in the sack. She needed training.

Don't worry black men, there are hot foreign black women too.

 

[zekko]

Zekko,

I was ignoring the other races since the prevalence on this thread seems to be black/white men/women.

I knew that. I'm still wondering how black men do with Asian women, supposedly, since I don't see a lot of them together. I don't live in the most culturally diverse place however, so others may well be more informed on this than I am. Which is why I'm asking.

For the record, I know some white guys who have banged some pretty hot black women. But I agree that it generally appears easier for a black man to date a white woman than for a white man to date a black woman.

 

[Jaylan]

I find it interesting how several posters comment on how white men have it difficult with black women.....but that several posters also say that black men have it harder in general with women.

I am not sure, but these viewpoints seem to be at odds with me.

If I were to step back and take a look at the big picture, I would say that black men overall have the advantage, mainly due to indoctrination.

Black men can fvk and marry black women, but can also fvk white women, yet have a harder time marrying those white women.

White men, can pretty much only fvk and marry white women (as opposed to black women), and they still have to wait for the white woman to be done fvking everyone else first.

My observations also support these thoughts above. So I have to say, it is hard for me empathize with the plight of black men when it appears to me that white men have it worse based upon these observations.

Youre vastly overestimating the number of non-black women who are open to sleeping with or marrying black men. By far there are more non white women are ok with sleeping with and marrying white men. Studies have shown this from universities and even OKCupids own statistical reviews of their users behavior.

Its a very small percentage of white guys I ever notice showing interest in black women. And even so, there are just as a few black women who are into it. Its really not even worth talking about, as there is disinterest on both sides, plus white men are valued highly by nearly every other race of woman.

 

[Jaylan]

White men can marry Asian girls though. Maybe that's a consolation prize for not being able to get black women.

How do black men do with Asian women? It doesn't seem like I see many black men with Asian girls, although I did see a black gentleman with an Asian girl this past summer, and she was one of the most smoking hot girls I've ever seen.

By far white men do LOADS better than black men when it comes to getting Asian women. Hell white men beat out asian men when it comes to getting Americanized asian women. People should look up the marriage rate for Asian American women. Ive read that half end up marrying non Asian men, and usually they are white men. One has to wonder why Asian American women value white men so highly while other women dont value them as highly. And one also has to wonder why you find so many videos and write ups online where Asian women actually put down Asian men and pedestalize white men. Other races of women surely dont do that in the numbers we see Asian women do it.

All that said, its my experience that the Asian women into black men, tend to love black culture. The two Asian women Ive dated were very much into hip hop, RnB, hip hop fashion and soul food too. While thats cool and all, Im not much into hip hop, RnB, and hip hop fashion. The Asian girls who Ive felt liked more things I was into, tended to always fawn after Asian or White guys.

 

[Jaylan]

Yes even just for sex. The sluttiest of white men I have known rarely if ever go after black women. And the reverse is true as well. However Ive encountered more black women open to white men than white men open to black women.

Id say black men have as hard of a time getting sex from white women as white men have a hard time getting sex from black women. However, at the end of the day, white men are highly valued by every other race of woman, along with the fact that black women are a low percentage of the US population (in comparison to Latina and White women numbers) Black men, by contrast, have to deal with being a smaller percentage of the population, and having a large portion of women not being open to dating them.

While that isnt a problem in areas with a lot of black women, it becomes problematic when a black man (or asian man, or indian man...since they deal with these issues too) live in an area thats primarily white or mixed with low numbers of women from their race.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

I hang out with a lot in the closet racist southern white men and they would **** a black chick if she was hot. Most black women you see on average aren't appealing, so this is a turn off for them. Men aren't as insecure as women, so they will **** anything that is appealing to the eye.

 

[JoeMarron]

My own experiences though suggest that black men have the advantage when it comes to white women versus white men with black women.

Even for just sex? White men, like Black men, will fvk many many women, regardless of race. So the real disinterest most likely lies with the black women side. In which case, it would be nice to have some level of confirmation of this from any black women you or others could ask.

Absent that information, it seems highly probable that it is white men who have a much harder time sexing up black women, than black men with white women.

Next time you go out really pay attention to the bm wf and wm bf couples. In all of my years I have never, NEVER seen a white dude with a black woman who wasn't hot. On the other hand I see black dudes with sloppy ass white chicks on a daily basis. Sad but true and I die a little inside every time I see it :crackup:. You're always going to see more black dudes with white chicks than white dudes with black chicks because there aren't many hot black chicks around. When white dudes get jungle fever they pick out the best of the best. Taking this into account, I'd say white dudes do better when stepping outside of their race than black dudes. Quality over quantity.

 

[SAYNO]

Next time you go out really pay attention to the bm wf and wm bf couples. In all of my years I have never, NEVER seen a white dude with a black woman who wasn't hot. On the other hand I see black dudes with sloppy ass white chicks on a daily basis. Sad but true and I die a little inside every time I see it :crackup:. You're always going to see more black dudes with white chicks than white dudes with black chicks because there aren't many hot black chicks around. When white dudes get jungle fever they pick out the best of the best. Taking this into account, I'd say white dudes do better when stepping outside of their race than black dudes. Quality over quantity.

Then you need to come to dallas tx then. The white men i see with black women dont fare so good. Most are fat and average to below average looking. Btw im starting to see more and more bf/wm unions. I agree with you on black men though, they need to step their game up. Ive seen some very nice looking black men with white females that looked like something out of horror movie!

 

[backbreaker]

STOP ****ING TURNING THIS INTO A BLACK CHICK / WHITE CHICK /ASIAN CHICK THREAD. I'M NOT GOING TO LET IT HAPPEN. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS POST IS. TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

i don't care about if Asian women don't' like black men.

I don't care if white guys can **** Hispanic women and black men can''t


i care about what i specifically posted in my OP. What do intelligent black males who don't fit the black stereotype have to do to get laid


the blacks in this thread are just as bad as the whites, stop ****ing dumbing down the issue to black = white. That right there is why we can't ever talk about **** on this forum worth a damn.


I'm not a rep point guy, but I've gotten more rep points for my OP than I have for any other thread I've ever created on this forum so there are obviously guys who wants answers to the questions I'm asking and guys who are obviously going through some of the things that I've posted.. Let's get to those answers. Or at least try lol. Let's talk about some real **** and stop with the one liners. 5 ****ing pages of I know a black guy who went to a club and saw him pull a white girl doesn't help anyone.

Bring something worth a **** to the thread or don't bring anything at all.

To many guys on this site IMO just rely on online game and that will fucck your menaltiy about women up because most women online are bottom of the barrell.

What it comes down to is this, are you a high value guy? If you are then it makes the game a lot easier

I'll start with this. This is one of the reasons I never was big into online dating. Online Dating really just does nothing but discourage people like me, because off the top of their heads, I'm not a guy most women want to date. Day game/ real life game works to my advantage whereas online game works to my disadvantage. I mean, own a web development company, horse track as a hobby, I like to listen to jazz with a bunch of pictures of me in polo shorts and spurrys aren't going to attract black women, and white women have me filtered out anyway rotfl.

Day game however, once you see my entire package and once I can actually use real game, be a little funny, use a little charm, it works better for me.\


I most a post a while ago here

The other way, and the way that I recommend, is becoming a niche, aim to target a specific type of girl.





You will get 10x further with a woman if you are targeting her than if you are just taking a shot gun and approaching/talking to / taking out any girl with tits.





I applied this when I was single. I like girls that are into horse racing because I’m into horse racing. That’s a very very specific niche and while I didn’t get AS many numbers as I did when I was just shot gunning the ones I got, h a much, much, much higher close rate. Pretty much if I talked to you we were going to go out and I was probably going to have sex.





I do the same thing with my web design company. We only take 3 types of jobs. Social networking jobs, adult sites and virtual marketplace sites where people can sign up to sale their products online. That’s all we do but I’ll be damned if we don’t’ do it better than anyone else. And you knot what, we stay swamped. I might talk to 4-5 clients a week but I close 2-3 of them, and because this is ALL we do, we have a portfolio that is just out of this world\; for those 3 things. Pretty much, it’s to the point that if I want a job and it’s one of these three, 9 out of 10 times you are wasting your time competing with me I ‘m going to get it. Versus guys/companies talking to everyone with a pulse and sending gout generic emails and follow up messages, having to cut / slash prices because there is no value or the client doesn’t see value in what you are offering.

No, the fastest way you can get to where you want, rather it be with having 2-3 plates at a time, running a business or whatever, is to pick what you like/do, focus on that, aim and shoot.

That to me, is probably the most important business and honestly, women lesson as far as at least attracting constant plates and keeping them interested, that I have ever learned. You know how effortless it is to keep my wife interested In me **** we love the same **** lol. I don’t even have to TrY. Just me being backbreaker is exactly what she wants. Me waking up in the morning and *****ing about losing a race I bet on the previous night is exactly what she wants and that’s exactly what she gets because that’s exactly who I am.
Figure out who YOU are
Figure out who is in the market for YOU
Figure out how to make yourself more desirable to it is you are honing in on
Put 1 bullet in the sniper rifle and fire

I mean, I am a fan of cold approaching in the sense of, you need to get over the fear of rejection but not in the sense anymore of like this is how I get women. I’m too efficient for that now. I do what I call luke warm approaching lol. I don’t consider approaching women who I know who I am targeting a true cold approach.

This is especially true for me. If not for me being interested in horse racing, my wife never talks to me. That was the ice breaker. For me it's horse racing. I can move around, get down in my little niche because I'm entrenched into it. There i'm not just a random black guy hitting on girls I'm a guy who does this that happens to be black. It's not a HUGE deal. NOt saying it's not an issue but it's not like if i were just randomly approaching chicks at macy's asking for numbers. I'm not against that either i'm just saying. this was my bread and butter.

at my height of plate spinning i hate 5 plates and 4 of them were from the horse track and all of them were hot. some moreso than others but all were hot women.

 

[JoeMarron]

This makes sense, however it would make more sense if we did some sort of comparison. How does it line up celebrity-wise?

• Rihanna
• Beyoncé
• Naomi Campbell
• Halle Berry
• Toni Braxton

All attractive black women and to be honest, I don't know their predisposition towards men as I really don't follow the celebrity scene, but if your argument is true then they would have a litany of white boyfriends.

Is that the case? Does anyone know?

Some of them do have quite a few white boyfriends http://www.zimbio.com/Naomi+Campbell/dating.

Then you need to come to dallas tx then. The white men i see with black women dont fare so good. Most are fat and average to below average looking. Btw im starting to see more and more bf/wm unions. I agree with you on black men though, they need to step their game up. Ive seen some very nice looking black men with white females that looked like something out of horror movie!

Yeah it makes sense that much of this would vary by location.

STOP ****ING TURNING THIS INTO A BLACK CHICK / WHITE CHICK /ASIAN CHICK THREAD. I'M NOT GOING TO LET IT HAPPEN. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS POST IS. TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Lol calm down. This thread has pretty much run its course. There's nothing left to tell black dudes in that situation besides step your game up and move to a better location. Besides much of what I've read was relevant to the OP. Black males who don't fit the stereotype need to know if most Asian women won't fvck them.

 

[HumbleNinja]

....your thread could have been saved a lot of angst if you just said "What do men have to do to attract women if they don't fit the thug stereotype?".

It applies equally to both races, so why focus on just one?

Agreed. Though I do understand where BB is coming from even though I'm white.

I really think being black and seen as a thug is the "Alpha".

Maybe a lot of black women are afraid of a successful, intelligent, black dude?

It's almost as if you are seen as that you are a possible "tom" and trying to be "white".

With so many feeling white people are "privledged" they might view those types of intelligent "conservatively" dressed black men as trying to be something they're not (white) before really getting to know them? And due to supressed anger at their situations makes them subconciously turned off by that type of look?

Maybe they see themselves as black women having to step their games up to get those types of black men and they don't want to as they're lazy and don't feel "worthy" due to the choices made in their own lives and would rather stick to the thug types. (Being a lot of black women these days are overweight and that shows a lack of self improvement.) As in they are used to their "Comfort" zone.

As for white chicks I think a lot are brainwashed to see black men they are attracted to in the movies, music etc. as "tough guys" who are a "challenge". Educated, well dressed like "whites" black men are not made to be seen in society as the real catches for the most part.

Look at what makes noise or is "celebrated" in the media in regards to blacks. The knockout games, thugs, prison etc. So maybe more white chicks who are attracted to black men see those types as "real black men" and the intelligent well dressed ones as trying to be "White" which they don't want.


It's going to have to be a mass push by the media, music etc. To have more intelligent black men who are dressed conservatively and want to get ahead as seen as the new "in" thing for a majority of brainwashed and lazy chicks to go after.


The media and society by and large "determines" who is a real "catch" with any race size etc.

Jersey shore popular: Everyones trying to be a guido.

Rock bands popular: everyone wants to be a rock star.

Whites popular: everyone trying to be white.

Blacks in the spotlight: everyone listens to rap and wants to be a gangsta.

Once it's popular for intelligent well dressed conservative etc black dudes to be popular...most will flock to them.

It seems like cycles for the masses of brainwashed morons.


sh1t I know white chicks in real life who were the jersey shore types of twits when that was popular and were looking for the guido look..now "hate" it, wannabe mafia princesses when that was popular and looking for dudes who looked "connected" now "laugh" at it, now they are the wannabe high society sexandthecity/ nyc/hamptons crowd looking for the socilite dudes.

It's friggin laughable these sheep. You can't make that sh1t up.

 

[backbreaker]

lol that's exactly what i'm saying social leper spot on. I've said hat probably 5 times now. That's why the whole "black guys can get white chicks" debate is not relevant to this thread

 

[FairShake]

ANY men who do not fit the stereotype of "thug" have a hard time getting sex with women, not just black men.

That is completely untrue. Maybe with black american women but that's about it. The white guys who have lots of sex certainly do not fit this type. More surfer, rocker, and businessman type. Or just guys who look decent and initiate.

White thugs get the most rancid of women. My dad and brothers were in a very violent, very thuggish biker gang called the Warlocks in Philly. They got junkies and headcases and usually ended up killing them (not my family but other guys).

Since black men are viewed as "thuggish" and white men are viewed as "nerdy/bookish", doesn't it make sense they have an easier time getting sex with women?

With black women absolutely. With all other races no, not at all. For everyone one girl who wants a violent thug you will find dozens who don't. Don't buy into the darker side of the manosphere. It's some seriously fvcked up nerds who play hard on the internet to combat some very serious demons about their own masculinity or lack thereof.

 

[backbreaker]

ANY men who do not fit the stereotype of "thug" have a hard time getting sex with women, not just black men.

IF you are white and you are in shape, you won't have a hard time getting laid

if you are white and you are on your way to being a doctor or a lawyer you will have women waiting in line to cash in

****, white people even have niches like "emo" and **** like that lol. they get laid. by pretty cute chicks too.


There is no "black middle class" so to speak. There is no middle class of black males that can be intelligent, maybe not super duper rich but a good career, maybe not super handsome but good looking. IF you are those things and you are white, you will have girls lined up around the block

If I'm those things as a black male and don't listen to rap music, dont' go out of my way to "show where i came from" and in particular, don't go to church, black women want no part of me. I'm not black enough for them.
and unless you can seriously change a woman's life with your fiances or you are just so hot that she can't stop thinking about you it's not happening with real HB's outside of your own race either.

There is no black middle class. You have a black 1% class and you have the thugs and **** that scum at the bottom. But there is no black middle class.

I seriously, do not know one black male that fits the above description that got married in his mid to late 20's by an attractive female like my white counterparts. if/when they do get married it's either to some ****ty looking woman or some old CCer who is now looking for someone to take care of her kids.

My mom is a perfect example. My mom is dating a retired air force officer who works for union pacific. with his combined retirement money and his railroad job he easily clears 100k. and and he's 50 and single. you seriously think if he was white he would be 50 and single? he's nice, can cook, god fearing. there is just now a market for him. And she had to talk herself into dating him. He's been trying to get with my mom for like 5 years and now that she's 49 she' s finally said okay i'll give a shot since i'm still single


lol then take my aunt hen and her husband. she's 47 and she's been married to butch (real name) for 10 years now. butch used to sling crack and is an alcoholic and doesn't have a job. but she loves her man. And my aunt has a job, has raised 2 kids that are in the army.

this is the problem we have.

Since black men are viewed as "thuggish" and white men are viewed as "nerdy/bookish", doesn't it make sense they have an easier time getting sex with women?

lol not when you aren't a thug lol. The white dudes in that tea partay video are more thuggish than i am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0


there is no way i can pull of being anything other than what i am; a smart, preppy black dude that works out.

The girls that are into me aren't into me because they think I'm secretly slinging dope on the side or anything like that. they know what they are getting with me.

 

[FairShake]

In short, much like I always say, the reason you're not getting laid is not because you're white or black. It's because you don't measure up.

 

[HumbleNinja]

lol that's exactly what i'm saying social leper spot on. I've said hat probably 5 times now. That's why the whole "black guys can get white chicks" debate is not relevant to this thread

BB the only thing that's going to change things for black dudes like yourself is when the media, music etc. and black people themselves accept blacks as becoming successful, conservatively dressed and being seen as the new "whites". Not blacks trying to drag each other down when the other is successful and breaks the mold.(Unless a few wildly popular black dudes do it and don't get labelled as "Sell outs")

Then more black chicks will go after those types as catches. Then when the steam picks up more of the white chicks who are attracted to black men will see the mass media etc. push for that popular image and they'll trip over themsleves for that too.

It's like expecting to be a white successful dude wondering why he can't attract most black or white women who want guidos or some tatted up bad boys (or whatever they are told to like now). Once the brainwashing fad wears off and that successful "nerdy" white guy is seen as "hot" as in several chiseled Hollywood stars portray that, and it's show more in ads etc. then most women will trip over themselves to get the "nerdy" white dude and disregard most of the rest.

 

[PlayHer Man]

I leave for two days and when I return I see that the pedestalization of women on this thread has continued.

Keep it up. Keep crying about not being able to date/f*ck/marry certain women. Very constructive gentlemen.

We all know from looking at history that if you cry hard enough.. things will change. :crackup: