The Pendulum Has Swung Too Far the Other Way Regarding "Looks"

[Poonani Maker]

I have to agree...I asked a HB9 I met online what drew her to my profile and she said and I quote:

"Ur good looking and u have a job hahaha"...

Made no mention of anything I wrote....

Same. I think my profile pics (side face shots) just scream that I'm an as5hole, and well, sometimes I am. I look like I would Tell her what to do in bed. I'd be directing the action, positioning her. It's very evident who'd be doing the leading, maybe even holding a camera, with or without her knowledge.

However, I'm getting my fair share of desperate hoes bore with child, who ask me on there "Are you having any luck?" I say no, not really putting in that much effort. And she might say, "Lol. Had luck once on here. So I decided to try it out again." This really means probably "had luck with 10 on here" so I stopped messaging her. Guys, I'm changing my ways, caught an STI recently, but it's not herp or HIV, something that can be cleared, but damn guys, these b!tches Will Not Tell you if they have something. It's like Russian Roulette, and you can't really tell from their behavior or personality either, not entirely an accurate indicator, but when in doubt, NEXT.

I'm seriously thinking of hanging up my whoring ways and escaping with my life intact, at least. Sure, I may go without pvss, but I've had my thrills, it's over. I don't wanta risk it anymore. I'm not a good risker anymore, I used to get away with a lot of sh!t, but these days, as I am now older, I seem to be getting less lucky by the day...stocks, while on a winning streak of late, I lost a lot when I didn't know what I was doin earlier this year. Just, last year and the year before, I made out like a bandit sleeping with a sh!t-ton of girls and athletic daring sh!t I used to do, skiing, mountain biking, running through snow and ice, jumping and landing properly never getting hurt, stock trading, but Now, I'm not feeling as lucky and I know when to reel it in, to pull back my reigns on myself, now an older man. Living in moderation and Observing things as you walk through life, keeping a positive upbeat smile in your eyes and within as you walk, you will know when it's time to temper your lusts.

As much as I wanna bang these young hotties, their ripe as5es juttin up into the air, I can't no longer risk the potential of me misjudging her sleaziness. You just don't know! and they will never tell! cause very few women really care about You, as a man, cept maybe your mother.

I'm just gonna focus on getting wealthy, helping others who are less fortunate or sick, and just not sleeping with any dame that is DTF. I don't even have cold sores having kissed so many women in my lifetime to this point. To me, that's amazing, I think, I guess, don't know the stats. All this is gonna catch up to me if I keep goin at the pace I've kept goin through the years. I need to stop, this, in my 37th year walkin the planet, or I'm gonna end up diseased and dead soon.

 

[Down Low]

The pendulous breasts swing one way and another for the man who patiently watches, wraps himself in mystery, is cool, distinguished, and aloof, and waits . . . until she is hair-twisting silly in heat.

Whether you're adjusting a car engine, catching a plane at the airport, or frying an egg, bad timing always causes bad results. Don't attribute bad results to your supposed "bad looks," "lack of confidence," "prevalence of PUA trickery," or the like. Women's subconscious sexual drives don't really give a sh1t what you look like or how much money you have. That's just TV nonsense they repeat the same way that cows moo or hens cluck. Women are innately immature, immoral, and lack self consciousness. Their actual behavior endlessly defies their conscious pretenses of having standards. Women eagerly do anything sexual that anyone suggests when their hormonal spikes make them receptive to any and all masculine attention.

So act! Get your target away from the herd of c0ckblockers and hard heads, and isolate her into a diner booth, your car, and into your bed.

Almost forgot. The ultimate bad timing is going after women over the age of 22.

 

[The Gambler]

The pendulous breasts swing one way and another for the man who patiently watches, wraps himself in mystery, is cool, distinguished, and aloof, and waits . . . until she is hair-twisting silly in heat.

Ok... Sounds good.

Whether you're adjusting a car engine, catching a plane at the airport, or frying an egg, bad timing always causes bad results.

Still with you here.

Don't attribute bad results to your supposed "bad looks," "lack of confidence," "prevalence of PUA trickery," or the like.

Whoa, stop the train.... You're saying a guy who is dressed poorly and presents himself poorly is NOT a turn-off to most women?

Women's subconscious sexual drives don't really give a sh1t what you look like or how much money you have.

I absolutely disagree. Sure, if one guy was stuck on an island with one woman, there's a great chance the two of them will get together. But if the island has one woman and FIVE guys, do you really think the overweight, poorly-dressed schlub with a lack of confidence has a chance with her?

That's just TV nonsense they repeat the same way that cows moo or hens cluck. Women are innately immature, immoral, and lack self consciousness.

Maybe SOME or even MANY women lack these things... The fact you're categorizing all women this way is a bit puzzling. It shows that you have little real-world experience with women.

Their actual behavior endlessly defies their conscious pretenses of having standards. Women eagerly do anything sexual that anyone suggests when their hormonal spikes make them receptive to any and all masculine attention.

No, they will not do sexual things with just anyone that suggests it. They will do these things with the "best" man they can find. More often than not, the "best" man isn't the one who is poorly dressed, obese and socially inept.

So act! Get your target away from the herd of c0ckblockers and hard heads, and isolate her into a diner booth, your car, and into your bed.

Almost forgot. The ultimate bad timing is going after women over the age of 22.

LOL.... Where did the 22 year-old rule come from?

Let the debate continue!

 

[Stagger Lee]

No, these aren't mismatches in the street these are people I actually know. Maybe there is a minimum standard for looks but that standard would have to be a 4 no joke. It is all about tight game if you have it. Also not all extroversion is equal, but introversion virtually is as it gets more severe (for obvious reasons as you're not saying anything lol). I will say being a good looking introvert is a lot better than an ugly one so it's almost like the less game you have the more important looks are. A lot of these good looking guys you guys look up to for some reason also have very tight game from lots of experience with women since childhood.

As far as your creeper point, that shows a lack of tight game. Your game needs to be TIGHTER than the musclebead that comes up and says some generic line.

I'd have to see the guys and see the girls you are talking about to make the call if there is a mismatch. Guys tend to overrate women's attractiveness and underrate other men's attractiveness. The only predominate mismatch I see is good looking guys with women who are less good looking.

You keep saying tight "game". But what really is tight game? I'd say it is really 90% appearance. It's not word choice or conversation topics. It's primarily, looks, presentation and appearance.

 

[NobodyCares1]

Damn, it's not worth to argue here, some guys are still going to believe their stuff.

I'm just going to focus on my game, because obviously looks aren't enough. And you guys well, don't be suprised if an uglier guy comes and takes the woman of your desires.

I just want to add one example of how game is more important than looks. I have a friend good looking and all, he had a hot GF. Yet she cheated on him with another of my friends, who is average looking at best, but he is a bit of a natural.

 

[Stagger Lee]

No I'm not underrating these guys, even chicks are shocked. I'm talking guys with bad teeth, fat, warped faces, etc. And not drug dealers either, which accounts for a lot of mismatches obviously.

Game is exactly word choice and conversation topics, ALONG WITH primarily presentation from your list. Obviously these guys are massively self-confident people. A big part of club game/house part game at least which is what these guys are dominant at is also being able to hold your liquor which is my big downfall for some of us. My peak is 1.5 beers but its really hard to stop at .5 lol.

I don't know where are from, but where I am and every place I've been bad teeth, fat and warped faces will get you rejected harshly most all of the time, even having one or two of those will.

Those three things you mentioned I've never seen guys have and be successful beyond friendly entertainment monkeys. I've seen guys who I didn't think looked good enough for the girls they were attracting. They might've been short, not muscular and just seemed plain and average looking to me. But they almost always had good teeth and smile, were young, good hair, and a fairly symmetrical face, and not particularly fat. So they could've been goodlooking even if I didn't think so.

I'll admit these guys were also outgoing and expressive, but still that's appearance. Nothing they were saying is particular slick or special. I'll agree outgoingness, extraversion and expressiveness is necessary (along with looks) but that doesn't equal confidence. There plenty of introverted guys who are confident and plenty of outgoing guys who are not attractive to women. Appearance is the fundamental cause of attraction, not what you talk about and how much.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Let us remember that looks is simply what gets your foot in the door. After that, projection of power and conversational skills take over and looks goes more to the back burner.

We are in an absurdly delusional society (media fueled) that has caused women to shift from the natural (relatively little concern about looks) to entirely unnatural (looks being of prime importance to them). It is all part of the steady process of the media programming in gender reversal.

Looks should not be a primary concern for women as it is today, but that is our reality. As I mentioned, just a few short years ago there was a constant debate on sites like this, with one camp (probably the majority) insisting that "looks don't matter", while the rest insisted that they do.

The pendulum has swung way too far into the realm of "Good looks are everything", in stark contrast to 3 years ago. The fact is that looks are the initial attractant which gets a woman interested, but that is quickly eclipsed by the importance of "game".

My whole point is that while we tend to think that innate, genetic good looks are necessary, that is not true at all. When we maximize our attributes and display a subtle sense of style, that is all that is necessary to pass the "looks" hurdle in most cases. That display satisfies a woman's desire for a man with at least an awareness of appearance. It also conveys confidence, self-respect, and social awareness.

When I walk around in everyday jeans and shirt, I'm the invisible man. When I simply wear a nice pair of pants or jeans, a nice shirt and a nice pair of shoes, suddenly I'm getting smiles and IOIs everywhere I go. It's like magic.

A woman only needs to see that you actually care about your appearance, regardless of what your appearance actually is. Don't you yourself regard men differently who show an awareness of appearance? You automatically extend respect to them, especially because there are so few of them. Get it? There are so few of them... Does not scarcity increase value?

Friends, you can indeed make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I'm living proof.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Even minor introversion is 2x the handicap average looks are. Personality can be everything. Those that disagree obviously didn't have many male friends growing up. I always know 2-3 guys that are confident extroverts that are ugly but DOMINATE with hot women.

Looks are not sufficient to getting laid with hotties, I know from my own experience and that of other. Game is sufficient.

Also realize that as a man, you are the worst judge of another man's looks. Women are better judges, because they decide what they want to see naked, not you.

Don't forget, that women have so much ridiculous power that THEY decide what is attractive. Not you. Not your friends.

I mentioned this before and I need to mention it again. Some girls simply have fetishes. Some have a tall fetish. A girl I know had a tall festish. If you were 6'3, she wanted to bang your brains out. Even if your face was ugly and you didn't have a nice body. I saw one of her 6'3 boyfriends. I didn't think he was attractive at all. You might call him ugly and EVEN her girlfriends thought he was ugly (I knew some of her friends too)! But to her, he's hot because he's 6'3. Put the same head on a 5'9 body and she would turn away. Regardless of how much confidence he has or game.

Careful what you call "unattractive" or "ugly". Not proof of game. Sorry. Try again.

 

[Stagger Lee]

What I find amazing is guys will acknowledge that women may universally reject or ignore a man wearing a poor wardrobe or has dirty shoes, basically minor superficial appearance things. But if you say women will also universally reject you for having too thin of hair, non-aesthetic teeth and smile, too much of an asymetrical face etc, they deny it and hypothesis there most be some personality/inner game issue to blame.

So women subjectively judge your personality on shoes and jeans but DON'T subjectively judge your personality on your hairloss, whether your face is well porportioned and symmetrical etc? It's not just illogical it goes against plenty of evidence to the contrary. It's all about appearance and anything that can improve it is what's important.

I personally think females being attracted is primarily dependent on the shape, porportions and symmetry of your face, healthy looking skin, good teeth and hair, and the right facial expressive cues. Everything else is just icing on the cake. She decides whether you are attractive or not almost instantly from looking at your face. If you have attraction from "looks" then what you say or do and even clothing style make little difference. If you dont have attraction from "looks" then nothing you say, do or are wearing will make a difference. Neither will being over 6'1 and fit.

For the most part guys who approach girls and fail again and again aren't good looking enough for today's hypergamous females. It's not their fault. There's no technique or confidence issue that will fix it and it's a waste of time chasing your tail with things that don't matter.

 

[Burroughs]

I personally think females being attracted is primarily dependent on the shape, porportions and symmetry of your face, healthy looking skin, good teeth and hair, and the right facial expressive cues. Everything else is just icing on the cake. She decides whether you are attractive or not almost instantly from looking at your face. If you have attraction from "looks" then what you say or do and even clothing style make little difference. If you dont have attraction from "looks" then nothing you say, do or are wearing will make a difference. Neither will being over 6'1 and fit.

For the most part guys who approach girls and fail again and again aren't good looking enough for today's hypergamous females. It's not their fault. There's no technique or confidence issue that will fix it and it's a waste of time chasing your tail with things that don't matter.

I have been in bands for 8 years, toured the country and parts of Europe...now music is at the 'hobby' stage but we still play out 2-3 times a week and make a good amount of money doing so.

The venues I am in are varied festivals, small/mid sized clubs..

and I've found over the last 3-4 years the female imperative on male facial symmetry has GONE THROUGH THE FOOKING ROOF!

somehow all girls hb 1 to fvcking 10 want Tom Brady or George Clooney pretty boy facial features.....they think they deserve it...from the hotties to the fuglies

Its practically unbelievable and unless you go out a lot you wouldn't believe such a change could happen so quickly....but it has...fat hb4s looking for colin ferrel dudes and then treating everyone else like sh!t....and men accept this....dudes 18-25 have become so fvcking puzzy starved they are like crack heads for puzzy..and women down to hb1-2s take full advantage...I'm telling you I see it every night I play out in every city...some hb3 wildbeast in Boston, NY, Atlanta, even Miami treating a 6-7 dude like sh!t while showing her lopsided tits to all the hb 9-10 dudes she can waddle up to.

seriously I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it in every city I go to....in upscale clubs, music clubs, rock clubs, commercial clubs, bars everyfookingwhere.

 

[crossedup]

Of the guys I know, the most muscuar and best looking have had the most success getting casual sex. A good looking but idiot friend of mine told a woman he just met that he would bone her and it happened less than 5 minutes later.

Hell, honestly looking at myself I'm in the 70th percentile of men in looks I would say, above the 70th percentile in personality, and in the 95th-99th percentile in earnings for my age, yet I'll be lucky to pull 3 bishes a year.

Looks do matter, if you don't think so you are kidding yourself, why do idiot frat guys get girls, athletes? These guys are not the smartest, they aren't witty at all actually. Girls show immediate interest and nothing they say will turn them off.

So the best thing to do is become better. Make as much money as possible, get in as good of shape as possible, and experience as much as possible before you are old and the chance is gone. You need to reach that top 1% of men somehow if you are to have a good sex life. If you believe you can't hit that top 1%, it's not worth the crazy amount of effort that has to be put in to get there.

 

[Burroughs]

Of the guys I know, the most muscuar and best looking have had the most success getting casual sex. A good looking but idiot friend of mine told a woman he just met that he would bone her and it happened less than 5 minutes later.

Hell, honestly looking at myself I'm in the 70th percentile of men in looks I would say, above the 70th percentile in personality, and in the 95th-99th percentile in earnings for my age, yet I'll be lucky to pull 3 bishes a year.

Looks do matter, if you don't think so you are kidding yourself, why do idiot frat guys get girls, athletes? These guys are not the smartest, they aren't witty at all actually. Girls show immediate interest and nothing they say will turn them off.

So the best thing to do is become better. Make as much money as possible, get in as good of shape as possible, and experience as much as possible before you are old and the chance is gone. You need to reach that top 1% of men somehow if you are to have a good sex life. If you believe you can't hit that top 1%, it's not worth the crazy amount of effort that has to be put in to get there.

Yup thats how it goes.

remember we are talking about easy casual fvcking..not can you possibly get a biyach to like you...of course you can.

But if you want girls to flock to you, you need great face, good body..or great body...or tons of cash...and the wild card of course fame....the dude from Superbad can get azz like a toilet even through he is a fat fvck...cause everybody knows him...

It is the 1% dudes who clean up 99% of women...sure you can get the chicks later when they need a beta provider after they've done the alpha gangbang tour.

Making 100K doesn't impress any woman even though it should...

But really if I made millions I would just rent jenna haze by the hour like charlie sheen does.

this is the world today....to get loads of chicks easy...I'm talking walk out of every bar with a biyach easy...not can you get a date with that chick in the science library easy

 

[Down Low]

The pendulous breasts swing one way and another for the man who patiently watches, wraps himself in mystery, is cool, distinguished, and aloof, and waits . . . until she is hair-twisting silly in heat.

Ok... Sounds good.

Whether you're adjusting a car engine, catching a plane at the airport, or frying an egg, bad timing always causes bad results.

Still with you here.

Don't attribute bad results to your supposed "bad looks," "lack of confidence," "prevalence of PUA trickery," or the like.

Whoa, stop the train.... You're saying a guy who is dressed poorly and presents himself poorly is NOT a turn-off to most women?

Women have to be courted before being mounted, and it's men who do the courting. No one's suggesting otherwise. Success in courtship depends on the situation. Shabby dress and vulgar speech in one situation is stylish in another. A man must tailor his approach to the target, and use common sense when selecting targets.

What I'm saying is that most of the time, a woman's libido is so low that no approach will work. And the monthly peak of arousal gets narrower and lower as the years pass. Speaking in generalities, 26 of 28 under-40 women aren't hormonally receptive on any particular day. Over-40 women are never receptive. A man who makes passes at, say, every under-40 woman he finds attractive, should experience somewhere around a 93% failure rate that has nothing to do with the man. Women who are in heat are more likely to get dolled up and go out, but then, there are tons of mental issues and physical/chemical reasons for hormonal failures. Probably less than 1 in 20 apparently fertile women are receptive at any time.

Human females are alone in the animal kingdom as being "permanently receptive." However, my point is that they aren't up for sex 24/7 like males.

Women's subconscious sexual drives don't really give a sh1t what you look like or how much money you have.

I absolutely disagree. Sure, if one guy was stuck on an island with one woman, there's a great chance the two of them will get together. But if the island has one woman and FIVE guys, do you really think the overweight, poorly-dressed schlub with a lack of confidence has a chance with her?

Fat guys with low self esteem also don't do well in armed forces basic training, insulin resistance, and so on. Other than saying that general social, physical, or mental handicaps also affect reproduction in many ways, you're not saying anything that pertains specifically to women's subconscious sexual drives.

That's just TV nonsense they repeat the same way that cows moo or hens cluck. Women are innately immature, immoral, and lack self consciousness.

Maybe SOME or even MANY women lack these things... The fact you're categorizing all women this way is a bit puzzling. It shows that you have little real-world experience with women.

There are quite a few recent threads where several posters sum up the biological and social reasons why women fail to get past a high school or junior high school level of mental maturity. It's widely accepted on this forum that women selfishly decide what to do based on their feelings at the moment. I've hypothesized that precocious puberty could be a major factor. Please go through my past posts and read up on the threads before you make such an insulting remark about a man in his 50s.

Their actual behavior endlessly defies their conscious pretenses of having standards. Women eagerly do anything sexual that anyone suggests when their hormonal spikes make them receptive to any and all masculine attention.

No, they will not do sexual things with just anyone that suggests it. They will do these things with the "best" man they can find. More often than not, the "best" man isn't the one who is poorly dressed, obese and socially inept.

You can actually find a couple posts where I argue that many women are so infected with feminism that no man is good enough for them. Many women go after men who would be the worst possible choices for a permanent mate, so that they can enjoy the emotional roller coaster rides of bad relationships.

So act! Get your target away from the herd of c0ckblockers and hard heads, and isolate her into a diner booth, your car, and into your bed.

Almost forgot. The ultimate bad timing is going after women over the age of 22.

LOL.... Where did the 22 year-old rule come from?

Again, the solution recurs in discussions of relationship problems.

 

[Mike32ct]

Every "ugly" guy that gets girls has at least one physical feature that works for him: height or broad shoulders or cool hair, etc

Even fat guys that pull have the dominance thing from their size or broad shoulders.

I agree with Boroughs that its a "Two Tier" set of looks standards for attraction.

There are VERY high looks standards for casual sex and somewhat relaxed looks standards for relationship sex.

This is what makes it hard to break out of dry spell if you aren't a hot guy.

You could pretend you want a relationship and pump and dump after a few dates. But I (and most guys with a conscience) don't like doing that.

The hot guy can get the casual sex because he meets the upper tier looks standard.

Nice guys CAN get laid, they just don't like being put in the lower tier relationship sex category. Even the nicest most nerdy guy wants a quick no strings F sometimes, but his looks keep him out of that category.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Women have to be courted before being mounted, and it's men who do the courting. No one's suggesting otherwise. Success in courtship depends on the situation. Shabby dress and vulgar speech in one situation is stylish in another. A man must tailor his approach to the target, and use common sense when selecting targets.

What I'm saying is that most of the time, a woman's libido is so low that no approach will work. And the monthly peak of arousal gets narrower and lower as the years pass. Speaking in generalities, 26 of 28 under-40 women aren't hormonally receptive on any particular day. Over-40 women are never receptive. A man who makes passes at, say, every under-40 woman he finds attractive, should experience somewhere around a 93% failure rate that has nothing to do with the man. Women who are in heat are more likely to get dolled up and go out, but then, there are tons of mental issues and physical/chemical reasons for hormonal failures. Probably less than 1 in 20 apparently fertile women are receptive at any time.

Human females are alone in the animal kingdom as being "permanently receptive." However, my point is that they aren't up for sex 24/7 like males.

You have some valid points here. True even the men most successful at attracting women, would only experience a 5-7% success rate. But a guy's success rate can be anywhere from 0%, 0.5% to everything in between 0% to 7%. How to get closer to 7% and with more attractive females is what all the discussions here are about. There's a big difference between never getting laid no matter how much you try, getting laid once every 100 attempts and getting laid every 14 attempts. Not to mention the difference and the harshness of the rejections and atractiveness of the girls you get. The 7% guy almost never receives a harsh rejection while lower end guys receive frequent and many harsh rejections.

In actuality, the guy most succesful at attracting women will get laid ocassionally and maybe get a GF without even ever really doing any cold approach. He'll experience less rejection and negativity from women in general and have longer and more positive interactions with females. This all provides a positive feedback. Meanwhile, the guy on the lower end of the success rate will experience lots of negativity and rejection from women and very little if any acceptance and positivity.

I'd argue the difference is due mostly to the looks of the male in question. You seem to be arguing that women are equally infrequently sexually available to any and all men if only the man puts at least the same effort into courting or obtaining sex from her. Nothing could be further from the truth. Women are only sexually available to men they find attractive. They decide this quickly and almost never change their mind regardless of their hormonal cycle.

 

[Burroughs]

Nice guys CAN get laid, they just don't like being put in the lower tier relationship sex category. Even the nicest most nerdy guy wants a quick no strings F sometimes, but his looks keep him out of that category.

The easy solution is widespread, clean, health supervised legalized prostitution.

Men as a whole in the west must grasp this.

travel to amsterdam or spain...you will see nerdy, divorced, pot belied, 50+, short dudes get horny? They just take a trip to the local 20 year working girl...a lot of them have smoking bodies due to competition...a hundred euros and they're smiling...you pick out your services like a restaurant....this would destroy woman's power overnight.

thats all men want 99% of the time to bust a nut...we ain't trying to watch 'the notebook' and pick out curtain patterns sh!!!t :crackup:

 

[bigneil]

^ This is true. Married women would be out of business, and the rate would go from $500 to $100.

It would also be safer. In Amsterdam (zero cases of HIV in RLD) the girls check you out for needle tracks, etc. In Vienna they make the man shower and go on stage naked and the women get to pick him. In US strip clubs they can't because it's too shady, and the police could bust them anytime (and have cracked down around here recently).

The idea that we can't pay for something that can be legally given away free is absurd, especially given how much attorney fees and alimony end up being in a divorce.

 

[Burroughs]

^ This is true. Married women would be out of business, and the rate would go from $500 to $100.

It would also be safer. In Amsterdam (zero cases of HIV in RLD) the girls check you out for needle tracks, etc. In Vienna they make the man shower and go on stage naked and the women get to pick him. In US strip clubs they can't because it's too shady, and the police could bust them anytime (and have cracked down around here recently).

The idea that we can't pay for something that can be legally given away free is absurd, especially given how much attorney fees and alimony end up being in a divorce.

Yes exactly

It would change the game overnight

over....fvcking...night

Its the one thing men could unite and fight for wholeheartedly.

legalized prostitution in all 50 states...open, free...this childish, prudish, puritannical mentality only benefits women who want to raise the price of sex and companionship as high as possible

prostitution would drastically lower this price

men who don't intuitively grasp this should kill themselves.

ALL WOMEN KNOW this and they've recruited a large number of beta faggot males to parrot their interests...to the point where men have even villified their own sexuality to get women!...now that is some fvcked up sh!t.

 

[Stagger Lee]

As far as prostitutes, I find it kind of amazing that a hot young girl will have sex with just about any old, ugly, nasty guy for about $100. But she would reject over 95% of guys who are decent looking that approach her. Most men are worth less than $100 to women.

I went to Vegas a while back the first time as an adult. I was up late at night drinking and walking around the casino I was staying at looking for girls to meet. I'd see what looked like a young, hot college girl and approach her running my standard game. And within no time she asks, "Would you like to go up to your room?" Realizing she was working, I told her that I wasn't interested and ejected. I approached another "young, hot college" girl and she asked, "How would you like to have two girls in your room?". I never even asked what they were charging. I just assumed they were working and didn;t want to pay for it.

Honestly, these girls looked less slutty and were hotter than anything I ever got hitting on real college girls at the bar. And I was spending hours of my time and money at bars to get less or nothing at all but rejections. I imagine these girls had to be under $200 and were as good or better than anything I could possibly pull for "free". And the ones you have to call up and pay more for would be even hotter. Most men are worthless and have little value as far as the modern entitled women are concerned.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

try again? LOL. How do you know any of your points apply to the guys in question? Don't you think I controlled for height? As a short guy im more aware than anyone.The pretense!

What is "short"? And please don't say 5'10!

You do realize that a large number of girls will reject you for simply being short and on that basis alone? Doesn't matter what "game" you have and she doesn't care about your confidence. To her, you're just a confident short guy and she wants a guy at least 6'0.

I think the above fact alone is proof of how powerful looks is vs ANYTHING else, whether it is money, confidence, game, etc. I have personally witnessed the above firsthand and secondhand far more times than these mysterious sightings of unattractive guys with nice girls (I say that because I personally NEVER see flat out unattractive guys with nice girls firsthand, only hear about it on this forum from time to time...it is like bigfoot to me, always spoken about, never proven).

Nobody (at least not me) is saying that no man who doesn't look like he should be on the cover of a modelling magazine will ever get laid. Just that in the large majority of cases, your looks are the #1 factor deciding your success, although not the only factor of course.