The online dating game has become a joke and practicaly worthless

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Constant self improvement or just settle for the ugly b*tches.

 

[Stagger Lee]

@ Stagger and Spin

Lets say what you guys say is true, whats your solution to the problem? how you gonna get pvssy?

I was just replying to a question that was posed and not trying to make it personal. I'm going to become a better looking natural. If that isn't possible, I'm going to hit on lots of girls so there are even more men for every girl, suckers!

Seriously, I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing and trying to get better. Not every post has to be a tips or bragging and boasting post. I post my share of advice and tips. It doesn't discourage me to discuss the hard truth about the mating game. There's a 1:1 ratio but the women are only making the pvssy available to the top guys and not just every guy even those at her level or a little higher. The answer is obvious, you have to compete with the other guys and improve yourself. It's a number's game and you have to play the numbers and sometimes lower your standards.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I’m something of a POF junkie having been on/off the site for four years and have been watching it circle the drain recently. A year or two ago I was cleaning up with so many numbers my biggest focal point was trying to manage them all. Lately I'm struggling to get anywhere. Same profile using the same techniques, so I know it isn't me. If I get five phone numbers, I'm lucky to meet one girl of the lot. I used to bang one in five. My best guess is that more and more men, especially with game, are flooding these sites.

I think that POF is full of woman who just can’t be satisfied. Proof? They have adopted it as their new homes. Same faces, same profiles, always online, year after year hanging out to inflate their egos, not much more. I also believe that online dating corrupts women. Learning they can have limitless attention while shopping for guys from the comfort of their own home, why would they ever settle for one guy?



Depressingly true and it does nothing but lower your self-esteem. After being turned away by girls far below me, I would look in the mirror and start thinking that maybe I was really ugly. But the truth is I'm 27, slim build and pretty good looking.

Online dating in a nutshell:

- Low quality girls with queen like standards and a shopping list of “requirements” the size of a congressional health-care reformation package.

- Respond back saying they're interested and can't wait to hear back from you, but after replying, you never hear back from them….WTF?

- Most are beneath the average guy financially and educationally with the majority of them having so much baggage it's not even funny.

- Most simply stick up a profile hoping top notch guys in a number of areas will find them and fill their inbox.

- 96% of them are either, both or all: obese, overweight, suffer from psychological problems, single slutty mothers, discriminators, seeking attention, drug addicts, flakers, time wasters, cheaters, married and cheating, poor hygiene, lie about their education and carreer, only care about money (which pretty much incorporates all women after the 60′s feminazi movement), man hating, can’t cook, can’t clean, psychopaths, low class, etc.

- You can do better out in public places than you can on that site.


The bottom line:

A decent woman doesn’t need to go on the internet to find a guy

Its because they have options now. With like 50 white knights telling them they'll get them anything they ever want, why would they bother? You gotta grab their attention from the get go. Make yourself someone of value to them and they'll never leave.

 

[Solomon]

I was just replying to a question that was posed and not trying to make it personal. I'm going to become a better looking natural. If that isn't possible, I'm going to hit on lots of girls so there are even more men for every girl, suckers!

Seriously, I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing and trying to get better. Not every post has to be a tips or bragging and boasting post. I post my share of advice and tips. It doesn't discourage me to discuss the hard truth about the mating game. There's a 1:1 ratio but the women are only making the pvssy available to the top guys and not just every guy even those at her level or a little higher. The answer is obvious, you have to compete with the other guys and improve yourself. It's a number's game and you have to play the numbers and sometimes lower your standards.

aye mate, I wasn't trying to ruffle ya feathers with the question just wondering what your thought process was regrading this issue

no beef mayn

lol

P.S. I like this synergy of this topic btw, some great fuccing post in this thread

 

[Jaylan]

The top guys who are best looking, naturals etc are tieing up or fuking about 3-4 girls a piece. A lot of them may even be married or have a GF too.Then throw in the fact that a majority of guys 18-40 and from every race is looking for about the same thing a white, 20-something year old, hot female. It's no wonder it seems like there is 10 men for every woman because there effectively is.

Look at it this way even at a 1:1 ratio of men and women. You have 10 guys and 10 girls, but practically every one of those guys are going to hit on every woman. So you got 10 guys for every woman. Now of course this is an oversimplification, but it just points out that even at a 1:1 ratio most guys are screwed. What we have though is more like a 3 men to 1 women ratio or maybe higher for the attractive young female.

http://factfinder.census.gov/servle...2009_5YR_G00_S0101&-ds_name=ACS_2009_5YR_G00_

Granted that is USA gender data, Im assuming most guys here live in the states. Some dudes here need to quit with the gender imbalance fallacy. This is not China or some poor African or Eastern European country that promotes males being born over females.

That data up there shows you that for any given age group in the dating game (18 to 35) there exists at the most a 1% difference. Insignificant at best. It comes down to the fact that bars, clubs, and online dating have more men because women dont need to use these avenues to get the guys they want most of the time.

And it also has to do with the fact that men a lot of the time dont know how to game women. Give the amount of men and women in the USA, and the amount of single guys, there will be as many single women as single men. As I said, it may seem like more guys because women dont need to go on the prowl the way many men do, or use the same avenues many guys use. Plus the women I know appear to be far more content when they are single than the guys I have known. And this site shows me this fact even more.

And yeah it def has to do with men going after the same type of woman as well. You can thank euro-centric beauty standards and western control of world wide media for that. But hey, nothing wrong with some competition. I am competitive as fvck and like to feel like I am a winner. So gaming a chick well, that other guys failed with, only strokes my ego lol

I was just replying to a question that was posed and not trying to make it personal. I'm going to become a better looking natural. If that isn't possible, I'm going to hit on lots of girls so there are even more men for every girl, suckers!

Seriously, I'm just going to keep doing what I've been doing and trying to get better. Not every post has to be a tips or bragging and boasting post. I post my share of advice and tips. It doesn't discourage me to discuss the hard truth about the mating game. There's a 1:1 ratio but the women are only making the pvssy available to the top guys and not just every guy even those at her level or a little higher. The answer is obvious, you have to compete with the other guys and improve yourself. It's a number's game and you have to play the numbers and sometimes lower your standards.

Thats something I will never again do. As I have started on self improvement I have realized I am a young, under 25, in shape, stylish, ambitious man with a lot going for him. I have started to realize I am the prize and am above a lot of girls BS.

You dont realize how easy it all is once you "get it" and start to just see through the female ego. Once you show them you couldn't give a fvck if they existed in your life or not, they rush over. Like when I went to the bar Tuesday night with my buddy. 3 or 4 girls in a group, all very cute, and one had an amazing chest lol. I did not even acknowledge them as they danced around this 2/3 empty bar, trying to get every guy to notice them. Me and my buddy just acted nonchalant and they ended up coming over and chatting. Too bad I found out they are in the same sorority as one of my coworkers, and those girls in that house are notorious for being major skanks. No STDz for me =/

Sure I have developed an ego, but I will evaluate a woman's actions the same way she would evaluate mine. I wont let her do things or get away with crap just because of the idea of potential sex. And most guys allow the silliest things for the sake of sex and forgo self respect in the process.

Sure I love to get it in, but I will always keep my standards up and would rather make love to my hand then end up beneath the value that I truly hold.

 

[EvilAgenda]

Stay off online dating sites, problem solved.

Those chicks sound freaking boring anyway - spending all their time on the internet. WTF btches, go out and LIVE.

 

[bigneil]

Good detective work Jaylan, but I read that for every single woman never married with no kids, there are 6 single men. My own experience certainly seems to validate this statistic.

The demographic is starting to catch up with girls born in 1990+. But for Generation X, we had fewer women who were "cherry picked" (pardon the pun) by older, wealthier Baby Boomers who (God knows) had easier access to wealth than we did.

Want proof that there are more single men than women? Look no further than the (disgusting) Cougar Trend. There is no other explanation for this reversal of the (10,000 generation) historical trend of older men/younger women (which leads to more kids and stronger families) than the fact that women suddenly have more choices (and less morals) than men.

Oh and I just love when women try and explain why they prefer younger men - by saying they are more attractive - when it's a well-known fact that women age faster than men.

Attractiveness is primarily based on health, fertility and optimizing the number of offspring. Men don't lose their fertility the way women do, and thus women of all cultures, times and ages have been universally attracted to older men (and vice versa) because it maximizes the number of healthy offspring (the man being 6 years older being optimal). But Sex and the City has brainwashed (35+) women into thinking like (21 year old) men.

 

[gaspipe]

Good detective work Jaylan, but I read that for every single woman never married with no kids, there are 6 single men. My own experience certainly seems to validate this statistic.

The demographic is starting to catch up with girls born in 1990+. But for Generation X, we had fewer women who were "cherry picked" (pardon the pun) by older, wealthier Baby Boomers who (God knows) had easier access to wealth than we did.

Want proof that there are more single men than women? Look no further than the (disgusting) Cougar Trend. There is no other explanation for this reversal of the (10,000 generation) historical trend of older men/younger women (which leads to more kids and stronger families) than the fact that women suddenly have more choices (and less morals) than men.

Oh and I just love when women try and explain why they prefer younger men - by saying they are more attractive - when it's a well-known fact that women age faster than men.

Attractiveness is primarily based on health, fertility and optimizing the number of offspring. Men don't lose their fertility the way women do, and thus women of all cultures, times and ages have been universally attracted to older men (and vice versa) because it maximizes the number of healthy offspring (the man being 6 years older being optimal). But Sex and the City has brainwashed (35+) women into thinking like (21 year old) men.

I agree 100% that women age faster hence the reason that I will never marry a girl who is not at least 10-15 years younger than me.

It amazes me further and I laugh to myself when I see a profile of a 40+ year old woman single mom with kids at home who demands that the guy be athletic, over 6feet tall, washboard abs and have a nice job to boot. It goes to show just how the level of entitlment these women believe they should have has grown over the years and just how delusional they are.

 

[Jaylan]

Good detective work Jaylan, but I read that for every single woman never married with no kids, there are 6 single men. My own experience certainly seems to validate this statistic.

The demographic is starting to catch up with girls born in 1990+. But for Generation X, we had fewer women who were "cherry picked" (pardon the pun) by older, wealthier Baby Boomers who (God knows) had easier access to wealth than we did.

Want proof that there are more single men than women? Look no further than the (disgusting) Cougar Trend. There is no other explanation for this reversal of the (10,000 generation) historical trend of older men/younger women (which leads to more kids and stronger families) than the fact that women suddenly have more choices (and less morals) than men.

Oh and I just love when women try and explain why they prefer younger men - by saying they are more attractive - when it's a well-known fact that women age faster than men.

Attractiveness is primarily based on health, fertility and optimizing the number of offspring. Men don't lose their fertility the way women do, and thus women of all cultures, times and ages have been universally attracted to older men (and vice versa) because it maximizes the number of healthy offspring (the man being 6 years older being optimal). But Sex and the City has brainwashed (35+) women into thinking like (21 year old) men.

Actually its just a social myth that women age faster. Everyone is at their peak physical attractiveness or potential in their 20s.

The only reason people buy into that is because society (controlled by males) has a bias in our favor. That we men can be young and ripped and hot, and then age and still be attractive and distinguished. Because men like younger woman naturally, we push the idea that even as we age, we are still attractive to them.

And when you control the media, you control how people think. It was super taboo in the 80s and even 90s for some people to be in an interracial relationship. Then movies, tv shows and such started showing a lot more of it in the 00s, and now its a big boom.

 

[bigneil]

Actually its just a social myth that women age faster. Everyone is at their peak physical attractiveness or potential in their 20s. The only reason people buy into that is because society (controlled by males) has a bias...

WHAT???? You sound like a Feminist Lesbian.

* Men reach sexual peak at 18 (when women are their prettiest).
* Men are most attractive at 35 (when women are their horniest) - think this is a coincidence?

Those numbers aren't even close - off by nearly 100%.

You think society is controlled by males? You haven't read "The Manipulated Man (1972)".

Historically, older men had more resources and younger women could offer them more children (and better sex) so women who matured faster could obtain older men and did (and were more likely to survive). It maximized offspring. You think we had cougars in the cave man days?? PLEASE.

Women should not have children after age 40 or they will be much more likely to have Down's Syndrome or birth defects.

Men can get women pregnant until they are 80! Sure they lose some fecundity, but if the woman is hot enough they can make up for it.

 

[Jaylan]

WHAT???? You sound like a Feminist Lesbian.

Wow, you are pathetic. Its funny how whenever a guy on this forum has a viewpoint contrary to the cry baby bs that some dudes here spout, he "sounds like a woman" Gimme a ****ing break

* Men reach sexual peak at 18 (when women are their prettiest).

What? I dunno about that. This is not an absolute as I have seen some 18 year old girls who look like kids to me. I am 24 mind you. And even when I was a teenager I thought women in their 20s looked the best

* Men are most attractive at 35 (when women are their horniest) - think this is a coincidence?

Again, not entirely true. This is pushed by media that we control. All humans are by and large at their peak in their 20s. Why do you think those from mid teens to mid 20s flood most of music media and fashion.

Those numbers aren't even close - off by nearly 100%.

Your opinion bro, whilst ignoring the fact that most plenty the guys women talk about in modern times are young ripped 20 somethings.

You think society is controlled by males? You haven't read "The Manipulated Man (1972)".

LMFAO, really dude? I love when privileged people try and cry about not being in power. Dude you need to read and book and look around you if you dont think the world is not controlled primarily by white males. Get a clue. Any sociologist or person with a brain will tell you this. Lol @ your book though. Its like when white suburbanites. cry about all the "reverse racism" they face as if it pales in comparison to the life of an inner city minority, or even an inner city white kid


Historically, older men had more resources and younger women could offer them more children (and better sex) so women who matured faster could obtain older men and did (and were more likely to survive). It maximized offspring. You think we had cougars in the cave man days?? PLEASE.

So wait wait? You argue your point by mentioning gold diggers who want resources and prolly still screw the young guys. Because its funny how older dudes always try and talk about how attractive they are in their 30s and 40s, yet guys like me still get most of the 18 to 25 yr old gals.

Just because women will still consider a guy attractive in his later years, more than men will consider a women attractive in her later years, does not mean thats where all the young puzzy is going.

Plus it really gets tiring to hear guys on this forum constantly talk about cave man stuff as if humans are not modern beings with intellectual faculties. You just asking about cougars in the cave man days goes to show you that these things we argue are societal at best. And can change over time.

In countries on the other side of the world, young guys in their prime of their 20s are def viewed as more of a sex symbol than older guys. And I would say the same rings true here, but that because an older dudes gets considered attractive by a young girl here or there, you try and consider that the standard.

Let alone trying to discount cougars and them being damn foxy themselves. Its just a double standard because of how men society, hence shaping viewpoints. Its no different from bi women being hot now a days and bi guys being view as not. Though more women like watching those kinda guys more than you think


Women should not have children after age 40 or they will be much more likely to have Down's Syndrome or birth defects.

Whos talking about birth in this thread?

Men can get women pregnant until they are 80! Sure they lose some fecundity, but if the woman is hot enough they can make up for it.

Um so? That doesnt pertain to physical attractiveness.

bolded dude

 

[spinaroonie]

Getting back to the OP's initial point, this blogger has an erudite take on this phenomenon:

http://glpiggy.net/2011/06/08/internet-seduction-cycle/


"This is how the cycle plays out:

Everyone joins the newest social media fad, be it AOL, Myspace, Facebook, Twitter.  “Everyone” includes alpha males and females on down to omega males and females.  Aggressive direct game works.  Through time as the anonymity of these social networking sites perpetuate attempts at hooking up, the more attractive females begin dropping out of the scene.  Whereas in 1996 you could chat up hot chicks on AOL IM – cyber with them and maybe even meet them in person – by 1998 this market was drier than Hillary Clinton’s vagina; men remained behind – searching among fat girls, geriatrics, or women whose military husbands were stationed overseas.  The same can be said, to a lesser degree, for Myspace 2004 versus 2007 and Facebook 2007 versus today.

There is a corollary to this.  After the initial stages of a new social networking site has worn off – after all of the sane chicks have limited access to their profiles to prevent Chester from jacking off to their Spring Break ’08 photo album – the women who remain “unprotected” are likely to be sluts.  The unblocked Facebook profile today (just like the active Myspace profile; as in, who besides slutty chicks still has Myspace?) is often a slut-marker on the level of the tramp stamp, smoking, or the phrase “I only get along with guys”.    

Everyone – at least the young people of the mid-2000s – flocked to Myspace because it offered a chance to meet “new and exciting” strangers which led to solicitation for sex of various forms while also offering pictures to help the fantasy.  This was mostly driven by men seeking out women:  men are and always will be the pursuers, the solicitors.  In response to the gratuitous “ur hot” comments on cleavaged pictures or the direct messages offering meet ups, hot chicks began blocking their profiles as soon as they started getting the attention of less-than-alpha men.  Unable to immediately determine that chicks were dropping out of the scene, men hung around and shifted the sex ratios – sort of like a house party at 4 a.m.  Eventually the guys with more options would drop out of the scene leaving only the middle to lower sociosexual classes.  Myspace was soon littered with the dregs – fat chicks, thugs, strippers, meth heads.  Just like any good night spot that doesn’t regulate its sex ratio and/or its average attractiveness level.  Popular NYC clubs maintain an even sex ratio which is predicated on having lots of high quality women around.  This is the opposite of the Myspace/AOL model."

 

[bigneil]

How convenient that Jaylan says men are in their prime at HIS EXACT AGE.

Whos talking about birth in this thread?

He claims men and women age the exact same but says we're not including fertility years?? Oh yeah.... that - the WHOLE PURPOSE OF SEX. He overlooked that because he was checking his IPad to see if Brad texted him back yet.

It's "my opinion" that men are horniest at 18 and women at 35??? Wrong. Do some research before you spew out like a jackass.

The world is run by white men? Have you not seen DHS demonizing white males as potential terrorists? White males have been ridiculed for decades - they are the ONLY segment of the population that can still be made fun of. We've gone from Jackie Gleason to Mike Brady to Al Bundy to "The King of Queens".

Cave women were gold diggers???

FACT: Men who marry women 6 years younger have the most children.

Form follows function.

 

[Rubirosa]

I think that there's too many variables to pinpoint peak years for people.
The first image that comes to mind is Stallone.
If you compare him from the first Rocky film (1975, 29 years old) to films like "Demolition Man" and "Judge Dred" (mid 1990's 47, 48 years old), he definatly looks better in the latter films.
I'm better looking now than I was in my 20's and 30's. When I meet online chicks for the first time, they simply don't believe my age.
No I didn't jump on this thread to toot my own horn, I simply want to challenge the thinking that there are specific "peak" factors that decrease with age. You guys probably think I'm biased because of my age, but I'm offering this information based on my personal observation.
Now, when it comes to physical performance, yeah, age becomes a factor, but again, it varies because people keep themselves in various levels of fitness.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Yet online, for those 75 single men, we only see 25 single women.
Thus, there are 50 single women "missing" from online dating sites.
Who are these women fvcking?

Maybe guys they met off facebook? The timeframe in which you guys are saying that pof went downhill is the same one in which facebook rose to popularity.

 

[DonGorgon]

I remember the good old days in the early 2000s. Thats when I officially joined match (circa 2001) and some other nascient online dating sites like yahoo. Back then, luring girls to my pad and banging them after a few email exchanges was like shooting fish in a barrel. I would email a girl a couple of times and after about two or three exchanges she would be at my doorstep and the rest was history. Mind you these girls were at least in the 7-8 range and an occasional 8.75. No fuglies or whales.

Today Id be fortunate to repeat my past exploits without great effort and expense. Its just not worth it. Even the 5s and 6s think their shyt smells like roses these days and expect you to wine them and dine them before putting out. Anything above a 7 seems out of reach unless you exhibit high value characteristics, i,e drive a bently, are wealthy, have supermodel good looks, etc. Whereas before I was living in a small one bedroom apartment, drove a regular car, etc. yet still had the bytches lining up to get plowed.

What happened? Why has online dating become such a difficult nut to crack?

its nt just online dating that is messted up its all dating..

reasons are:

feminism and capitalism and womens liberation and male over population have over empowered women.. the average woman who is a 5 as many many options and many more than a man who is a 5... women can demand more now cause for every guy that say now there 10 others that are begging to say yes to her..

 

[Jaylan]

How convenient that Jaylan says men are in their prime at HIS EXACT AGE.

And lemme guess...you are over 30 and thats why you profess all this older man sex symbol stuff. when i start seeing all the hot young girls with men over 30 and choosing you guys over us, then i will believe your view.

He claims men and women age the exact same but says we're not including fertility years?? Oh yeah.... that - the WHOLE PURPOSE OF SEX. He overlooked that because he was checking his IPad to see if Brad texted him back yet.

women may not be able to reproduce after a certain age...but we are talking about physical beauty...looks dude.....and men get greys and wrinkle just like women do and around the same age....its just societys convention to deem older women less attractive.

It's "my opinion" that men are horniest at 18 and women at 35??? Wrong. Do some research before you spew out like a jackass.

again dipshiit ...pay attention...when women get to their horny age....why do alot of them nowadays start screwing us young guys....looks wise 20s is the age wear attractiveness is at peak potential ....im actually hornier at 24 then i ever was as a teen...if it was about when people got horny then most men wouldnt after young broads.


The world is run by white men? Have you not seen DHS demonizing white males as potential terrorists? White males have been ridiculed for decades - they are the ONLY segment of the population that can still be made fun of. We've gone from Jackie Gleason to Mike Brady to Al Bundy to "The King of Queens".

yeah because that is so equivalent to the way minorities are portrayed in the media...youve gotta be kidding me. yeah being seen as an al bundy is so horrible...yeah you sure are lucky not to have to deal with being seen as a criminal, illegal immigrant, or some karate kid...yeah only white people are made fun of....open your eyes.

Cave women were gold diggers???

i was emphasizing how stupid it is to try and compare cave people to modern folks with intellectual free form thought.

FACT: Men who marry women 6 years younger have the most children.

and? so he likes to screw his young wife...how does this tie to your point about men who are older being more physically attractive to young girls...if anything its just the security the women want since they desire to settle down earlier than men. cougars be snatching up young men on the side quite a bit

Form follows function.

in the bold brah

 

[Yo'Mama]

Lol @ Jaylan's idea that what we find attractive is a matter of social programming. Simply ridiculous. Yeah I find young, slim, big breasted women attractive because the evil media tells me to.

 

[Jaylan]

Lol @ Jaylan's idea that what we find attractive is a matter of social programming. Simply ridiculous. Yeah I find young, slim, big breasted women attractive because the evil media tells me to.

wow i see reading comprehension is not your friend. i said young people in the late teens to 20s range are the most physically attractive for both men and women....i just said societys conventions make it that older men are considered more attractive then older women.


i also was arguing against the idea that women find older men the hottest, when thats not true based on who all the young girls are walking around with-- young guys.

 

[irocknike23]

online dating=for loosers. thats my take