The online dating game has become a joke and practicaly worthless

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quit giving women excuses as to why they do the things they do. i've decided to say the hell with online dating and dating in general for awhile and to be honest, i've never been happier! i have a LOT more money in my pocket, i get to hangout with my friends and do whatever the fvck i want to do, i don't have anyone to call and tell where i'm at, whose there, and all that crap. ive been enjoying life and being mean to women, simply because im tired of "todays woman". not saying i go out of my way to be mean, but i stopped giving them the benefit of the doubt that they might acctually be worth bending over backwards for.

i was walking out of the gas station yesterday and this cute girl was walking in. now the old me would have held the door for her and most likely not even gotten so much as a thank you for my troubles. instead i walked out, let the door go and it slammed right in her face.lol she made some comment like "what a jerk!" or smething like that(i wasnt really paying attention) and i just turned around and said "i'm not your butler, you can open your own door!". she was cute but i wasnt interested in her, im just tired of women and all their sh!t.
 

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^bitter much?

I would have called you a d-bag if you were a man or a woman and did that. Its common courtesy to hold the door for someone right behind you, and I get mad when a dude or a chick doesnt hold the door. I just try and treat people as I would treat them. However i do notice that girls hold the door more for me than guys do, maybe like a 60 40 split.
 

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I agree with you there Jaylan. I always hold the door for everyone, men or women.

Not being too nice doesn't mean deliberately being rude.
 

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gaspipe said:
I remember the good old days in the early 2000s. Thats when I officially joined match (circa 2001) and some other nascient online dating sites like yahoo. Back then, luring girls to my pad and banging them after a few email exchanges was like shooting fish in a barrel. I would email a girl a couple of times and after about two or three exchanges she would be at my doorstep and the rest was history. Mind you these girls were at least in the 7-8 range and an occasional 8.75. No fuglies or whales.

Today Id be fortunate to repeat my past exploits without great effort and expense. Its just not worth it. Even the 5s and 6s think their shyt smells like roses these days and expect you to wine them and dine them before putting out. Anything above a 7 seems out of reach unless you exhibit high value characteristics, i,e drive a bently, are wealthy, have supermodel good looks, etc. Whereas before I was living in a small one bedroom apartment, drove a regular car, etc. yet still had the bytches lining up to get plowed.

What happened? Why has online dating become such a difficult nut to crack?

Well the good news is that if you were banging 7-8.75 HB's back then, then you should be able to perform similarly today. For all intents and purposes women are the same today as they were 10 short years ago. Only difference is your venue should change because yes, the online game has changed. Its not new or exciting anymore, its just dull. As to where to meet girls without 30 dudes in your way? I have no clue.

But yeah, I remember back in 00-01 it was super easy to get to talking to girls online, get them on the phone, and meet up soon after.
 

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Jaylan said:
^bitter much?

I would have called you a d-bag if you were a man or a woman and did that. Its common courtesy to hold the door for someone right behind you, and I get mad when a dude or a chick doesnt hold the door. I just try and treat people as I would treat them. However i do notice that girls hold the door more for me than guys do, maybe like a 60 40 split.

not bitter at all, just older and wiser about women. i'm done being a nice guy, if they want to date *******s then let them. i'm done catering to women though, playing their little games, and trying to entertain them. God gave her two arms just like he gave me so she can open her own doors. opening doors and being polite aint got me nowehere thus far, so time to change it up.
 

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Jaylan said:
^bitter much?

I would have called you a d-bag if you were a man or a woman and did that. Its common courtesy to hold the door for someone right behind you, and I get mad when a dude or a chick doesnt hold the door. I just try and treat people as I would treat them. However i do notice that girls hold the door more for me than guys do, maybe like a 60 40 split.
I agree its common courtesy whether its a man or a woman. I hold doors all the time. But he has a point. Some women feel so entitled that they dont even bother to say thank you. It happened to me the other day. I held the door for some hot Russian chick. She didnt say anything and looked at me like if I was her personal servant. I later noticed her coming out and getting into her brand new Bently GT. Where I live, there are many uber rich Russian old men and their young Russian hottie wives or mistresses who drive around in their expensive sport cars thinking everyone caters to them. Its really disgusting.
 

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bigneil said:
(5 single men for every single woman without children - CLASSIC ARTICLE)
http://couplescompany.com/Jungle/TED/datingscene.htm

(Best age difference is 6 or more years for maximum offspring)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-the-best-age-difference-for-husband-and-wife

(Men reach sexual peak at 18, women at 35)
http://www.ewtn.com/library/YOUTH/BURDSEX.TXT

(When are women and men most attractive)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110505000302AAc29Wi

(Jaylan is correct about his every feeling)
No known references

Thanks for actually looking some stuff up, but as mentioned, those sources are weak.

It really irks me how people on this forum are constantly trying to back up their claims with "science" that is misinterpreted or just wrong.
 

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st_99 said:
Well the good news is that if you were banging 7-8.75 HB's back then, then you should be able to perform similarly today. For all intents and purposes women are the same today as they were 10 short years ago. Only difference is your venue should change because yes, the online game has changed. Its not new or exciting anymore, its just dull. As to where to meet girls without 30 dudes in your way? I have no clue.

But yeah, I remember back in 00-01 it was super easy to get to talking to girls online, get them on the phone, and meet up soon after.

The good news is that Ive kept in really good shape and comparing my pictures back then to today, I havent really changed much if at all. Luckiliy I carry my mother's youth gene. So I feel that my sarging days are from from over.

Yes I agree. Sometimes its just a matter of changing venue or finding a place where the fish are biting.
 

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handle said:
Thanks for actually looking some stuff up, but as mentioned, those sources are weak.

It really irks me how people on this forum are constantly trying to back up their claims with "science" that is misinterpreted or just wrong.
Scientific American is a weak reference?

Wall Street Journal is a weak reference?

Where are your goddamn references?

* Are you disputing their data that showed 2.3 single men were available for every woman in the study referenced (first link), and that the number was 5 to 1 for never-married women with no children?

* It's an indisputable fact that women's reproductive capacity expires long before a man's (women can't have kids in their 40's without serious risk of birth defects - and I don't care if their Botox, makeup, hair dye and fake boobs make them look just as good as a man that age - all of those things are purely toxic and artificial and shorten their life span).

* It's an indisputable fact that women mature faster than men and they hit their physical prime at a much younger age (18-28) versus men (25-35).

* It's an indisputable fact that the average Playboy Playmate is 23 years old. Baseball players don't even start in the majors until that age, and hit their prime at about 30 in terms of home runs, RBI and batting average. That suggests a 7 year difference (10% of a human lifespan) - not (as Ms. Jaylan farted out without citing a single reference) the same age.

* Aging is masculine. Youth is feminine. Ever notice that young boys look like girls and old women have leathery skin like men?

* It's an indisputable fact that a man can have more children if he marries a younger woman (the whole point of mating and sex).

* It's an indisputable fact that the average married couple (100 years ago and today) features a man who is 4 years older than the woman.

Please provide some "strong" references to the contrary (besides quotes from Sex and the City). I thought Google could provide anything? You think you can just have a theory and if I don't have "stronger" references than it's just your opinion versus mine? BS.

I seriously think some of you are secretly older women who like younger men and want to justify yourselves.
 

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You're getting a bit off track. I haven't presented any theory, I've just questioned the validity of your claims. Why would I need "references to the contrary" for that?

Re: Scientific American, I think someone already explained why it's not relevant a page or two ago.
 

At this point you probably have a woman (or multiple women) chasing you around, calling you all the time, wanting to be with you. So let's talk about how to KEEP a woman interested in you once you have her. This is BIG! There is nothing worse than getting dumped by a woman that you really, really like.

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handle said:
You're getting a bit off track. I haven't presented any theory, I've just questioned the validity of your claims. Why would I need "references to the contrary" for that?
Because you are claiming that my references do not support my argument while you and Jaylan present NO references. The fact we are even entertaining the idea that men and women actually age the same is preposterous.
 

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not bitter at all, just older and wiser about women. i'm done being a nice guy, if they want to date *******s then let them. i'm done catering to women though, playing their little games, and trying to entertain them. God gave her two arms just like he gave me so she can open her own doors. opening doors and being polite aint got me nowehere thus far, so time to change it up.

Amen brother! LOL I was cracking up when I read your post about that, that sh*t is funny!! But yeah, like others have said, a lot of really hot chicks just sort of expect this sh*t anyway and some might not say “thank you”, well f*ck them! LOL, you actually probably had a chance to pull that girl after something like this. You’d be surprised how many times myself or some of my buddies would do something similarly “against the rules” to the point where the girl is pi*sed off and you can get into some banter with her and if you’ve got your game tight enough, you can pull her EASIER than you would had you “held her door” and did the expected. You just did the same thing the last 99 guys did so she doesn’t see it any differently, and some of them even don’t say hi lol. But it’s when guys do this UNEXPECTED stuff, and do it playfully, where you have the best opportunities! LOL. I mean, don’t curse her out or whatever obviously, but you could have just laughed and be like “awww you poor queen, did your servant forget to hold your door today!” and then proceeded to laugh at her confidently and if there are any comments from her KEEP THE GAME going! Lol you will be SHOCKED if you keep doing stuff like this. But once again, keep it playful and don’t sound bitter about it to her, just be LAUGHING about it and as if you could give a damn less one way or the other, and tease her about it.

If she starts talking back, keep it going playfully, do NOT act bothered one bit and even laugh right at her if she starts throwing a mini fit. You are actually making her AWARE of the situation right now, the last 99 guys simply went through the motions of what’s expected and her brain doesn’t even register it. It’s like when people drive home the same way every day, or do the same thing over and over and over, your brain doesn’t think about this anymore and doesn’t notice it. Same goes with everything else that’s expected out there, there is actually a part of our brain that does this for our benefit! That way we don’t’ have to keep learning the same things over and over and we can just save previously used routines in there, so you’re not using as much brain power when you do this. So it’s meant to help us, but of course, many things that help us can also inhibit us in different ways. This is the case where STANDING out helps you, it helps her NOTICE you. She will NOT remember or care about the other 99 guys, but you doing something like this sets you apart, and once your game is strong enough to know how to proceed from here, you will have GREAT success!

Remember, keep it playful and like you couldn’t care less. LAUGH about it and tease her, and then in about a half a year or so while you keep improving your skills and confidence and your natural sexual male comes out, you will run into a similar situation and tease her and make fun about it, and not get too caught up in it, and then you will tell her something like “see that coffee shop across the street, well I’m going there RIGHT NOW to grab me some coffee, there are a few more things I’d like to talk to you about and also let you know a few things about your self that are quite obvious to me, I’ll see you there in a few minutes!! But don’t be long, after I drink my coffee, I’ve gotta go!”

You will be AMAZED when you start doing stuff like that lol. You will be AMAZED how people are willing to follow, if you JUST TAKE THE LEAD. Whether your’e leading them to heaven or hell, to success or misery, doesn’t’ even matter!! (you want lead them to pleasurable experiences obviously, but for the sake of argument, it really doesn’t matter either way, they WILL follow if YOU LEAD). Feel free to PM me or even call me once you’re ready to do this kinda stuff, but work on your self first for now, keep having fun with your social circle, work out, get your money situation up, you say you’re saving,, get debt free if possible, always improve your situation. And as corny as it sounds FALL IN LOVE WITH YOUR SELF, and please your self first (lol, I know I know, but you know what I mean!!))

So once again, CONGRATULATIONS about actually ENJOYING your life right now, having fun hanging out with your friends, doing anything you want to do WITHOUT having to worry about any girls! That's awesome, and you're on a road of enlightenment. DO KEEP working on your self and improving and getting your confidence up to where it should be as the real confident you without all the rules and regulations of society that made you into a “nice acceptable” guy lol. So AWESOME!! Keep that up man, keep working on your self, and this is actually when you will meet your next girlfriend lol, trust me, it’s gonna happen without you actually “looking for it”. It’s when guys DON’T look for a GF, is when it actually happens. Anytime you’re actively “looking” for a girlfriend, you’re coming of as too needy weather you realize it or not.
 

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Originally posted by bigniel:
I seriously think some of you are secretly older women who like younger men and want to justify yourselves.

hahaaha :crackup: Ok, I’m not gonna lie here, but the thought HAS crossed my mind a couple of times when reading some of Jaylans comments, “could he be an undercover chick trolling our forum”. LOL That’s kinda funny that others have said the same. No offense Jaylan! We love you!!!!!! :crackup:

But it honestly would not surprise me if that were the case. I haven't seen much of "handle"s comments yet, so I'll have to reserve my opinion there.
 

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bigneil said:
Because you are claiming that my references do not support my argument while you and Jaylan present NO references. The fact we are even entertaining the idea that men and women actually age the same is preposterous.

Do you see me making any claims myself?
 

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Yes, you claimed that poor references like the ones I provided irk you, which seemed to imply you didn't agree with my argument that the sky is blue.

Also note that I am a professional writer for the health supplement industry and that I will get fired if I publish articles that I cannot back up with references. Meanwhile, this thread is the most referenced post I've ever had in my 700 posts over 5 years as a sosuave member.
 

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Also note that I am a professional writer for the health supplement industry and that I will get fired if I publish articles that I cannot back up with references. Meanwhile, this thread is the most referenced post I've ever had in my 700 posts over 5 years as a sosuave member.
Bigneil, your effort isn't lost on everyone, you made a persuasive and polite (enough) argument. I don't know what's going on with the subsequent baiting in this thread, as an onlooker it just seems...strange. It comes across as mischievous more than malicious, again...strange.

Lol, next we'll be rubbishing two-strikes because it hasn't passed "peer review".

Anyway guy, well-fought, Jophil would have approved.
 
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bigneil said:
Scientific American is a weak reference?

Wall Street Journal is a weak reference?

Where are your goddamn references?

* Are you disputing their data that showed 2.3 single men were available for every woman in the study referenced (first link), and that the number was 5 to 1 for never-married women with no children?

see below....weak studies....give me some .gov and .edu studies...REAL studies.

* It's an indisputable fact that women's reproductive capacity expires long before a man's (women can't have kids in their 40's without serious risk of birth defects - and I don't care if their Botox, makeup, hair dye and fake boobs make them look just as good as a man that age - all of those things are purely toxic and artificial and shorten their life span).

we are talking physical attractiveness, not kids. Thats been my position this whole thread. And theres plenty of women who dont need artificial crap to look good at that age. And its mainly white women who do it. Thank god for asian and black women with the melanin lol

* It's an indisputable fact that women mature faster than men and they hit their physical prime at a much younger age (18-28) versus men (25-35).

Not really, plenty of men are big as hell at 18 and look older than me. Just come to my college campus. Or any college campus. Again we are talking physical attractiveness and young men can look it at the same young age as women depending on the dude. Btw a males peak physical years have to do with his testosterone production and its generally 27 to 33. Thats when most athletes have their best years

* It's an indisputable fact that the average Playboy Playmate is 23 years old. Baseball players don't even start in the majors until that age, and hit their prime at about 30 in terms of home runs, RBI and batting average. That suggests a 7 year difference (10% of a human lifespan) - not (as Ms. Jaylan farted out without citing a single reference) the same age.

Yeah Ms Jaylan....lmao what a hater ...because I disagree with you. Baseball players dont start till that age because of all the training baseball takes. Look at the NBA(18 and 19 yr olds until the new college rule), Boxing, the NFL has 21 year olds ever draft, and hockey drafts kids all the time. Sidney crosby got into the league damn young.

* Aging is masculine. Youth is feminine. Ever notice that young boys look like girls and old women have leathery skin like men?

again social convention designed to benefit older men. STILL young men are banging most of the young women. Guess they are feminine boys huh.

* It's an indisputable fact that a man can have more children if he marries a younger woman (the whole point of mating and sex).

And? Ive said we are talking about physical attractiveness, not child bearing. On a sheer shallow physical level, most young women want a young guy and some think older dudes are creepy when they try to game them. Its a lot more work for you guys than itd be for me and you know this.

* It's an indisputable fact that the average married couple (100 years ago and today) features a man who is 4 years older than the woman.

And? That has more to do with the resources an older man will have to offer a woman, not his physical appeal.

Please provide some "strong" references to the contrary (besides quotes from Sex and the City). I thought Google could provide anything? You think you can just have a theory and if I don't have "stronger" references than it's just your opinion versus mine? BS.

LOOK AROUND YOU. Who do you see all these 18 to 29 yr old women dating. Men in their age group. And if its a little older thats mainly the women in their late 20s. How about you provide some sources to back up your claim instead of using the argument from ignorance. It is on you to prove your claim as it is apparent to young males and older males here that us young guys are the prime target of the young babes.

I seriously think some of you are secretly older women who like younger men and want to justify yourselves.

Venom is spewed yet again because his position is challenged and is weak to begin with. Thats what guys tend to do here when they get butt hurt, they call you a woman as an insult. Kinda weak is you ask me.
in bold. And heres a repost of my post regarding your sources and why they are weak.

Lmfao, I can google sources from dot com sites too. How about a .gov or a .edu study. Come on now. Its easy to google sources for any viewpoint on the internet. I mean come on, your sources are a TV network, Testosterone jungle (lmfao btw), and yahoo answers. Get real dude. And your Scientific American link touches mostly on survival of offspring, not much on if women deem younger or older men more physical appealing than the other. Im talking on purely sexual urges, minus other factors. Just getting off.

All I ever said was that naturally youth is attractive and this dude wants to argue that. Whats so hard to see about that. Most models and sex symbols tend to be in their late teens or 20s. Sure guys like Johnny Depp and Tom Cruise are still considered hot by women, but bet you all the young puzzy would rather have them in their young prime. Hell they reached their status as young men, not as old men. They just MAINTAINED that status as older men, they did not achieve it as so.

You will only be right when I start seeing the majority of hot 18 to 25 yr old women with over 30 yr old men. Till then, womp womp
 

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Jaylan (who provides no .gov references himself, regurgitates the exact same quote as his previous post, and whose one reference is "LOOK AROUND") has obviously lost a few girls to older men (who make more than $9 per hour like he does on the UPS unload shift).

But at least he can call himself pretty.
 

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The onus is on you my friend. You are the one here going against what everyone sees in our culture that most people date within their age group. Youth (teens through the 20,s) is the most valued age. Thats what we see in our movies, tv shows, music, etc. Youth, male or female, is what is valued as best and thats what people go after when dating.

I understand why you wanna say women prefer guys your age, but the truth of the matter is, young women want a young hot guy and vice versa. We all know this. Just cus the guy may be a few years older doesnt mean women arent dating young guys.

And I have NEVER had a dude outside of my age group be a problem when it comes to dating. Youre fooling yourself if you really think over 30 guys really pose a challenge to me when it comes to dating under 25 girls. Even if I did make 9 bucks an hour, most college girls dont care as long as you are fun to party with and have ambition and plans after school.

Hell Ive known guys with shyt jobs that paid mininmum wage while they were in college, but they worked a good amount of hours. That gave them plenty of cash to go out on the weekends and fuel a nice car. And for the young 20 something whos out of college, he should already have a decent job so he can live a fun lifestyle with the young 20 something girls he will meet.

Please give it a rest.

P.S. - I have had girls call me pretty before, you know when I feel like rockin my "pretty boy swag". Seems to work for me, never had a problem. Gotta stay fresh brah
 

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The onus is on me??? To prove that women age faster than men?? That is the most absurd statement in the history of Sosuave. It's common knowledge.

Attraction is about reproduction, so to try and remove reproduction from the discussion is ridiculous.

I guess Jaylan's point is: if women didn't need resources to survive, they'd choose the youngest, prettiest thing they could find. It's called a moot point.

I didn't say women in their 20's prefer men in their 40's. I said women age faster than men. Women in all cultures, times and countries have been universally attracted to older men.

FACT: Girls typically begin the process of puberty at the age of 10 while boy at the age of 12.
 

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