The next few years are going to be fun....enjoy the FREE SEX while it lasts!

[realsmoothie]

Hors are girls who spread their legs at a moment's notice for immediate gratification without regard to the female sexual nature for being relational and more picky due to greater sexual investment.

Jesus, will you guys make up your f*cking minds? First we badger women for not giving up the poontang unless there's some kind of emotional commitment... and now they're "hors" because they DO just want to have sex?

 

[tmpgstx]

Jesus, will you guys make up your f*cking minds? First we badger women for not giving up the poontang unless there's some kind of emotional commitment... and now they're "hors" because they DO just want to have sex?

Alot of it is just sickening to see, and accepting it as passay is just a bi-product of our societal break-down. How do you expect any decent relationships to happen when everyone is just banging everyone else just for the pleasure of it all? The easy way out, doesn't require a commitment and is ADD all the way. It requires no discipline or responsibility.

Sure, i'm open to a ONS once and awhile, but alot of these ONS girls now-a-days are doing a different guy a week. You become just as cheap as they are.

 

[azanon]

Jesus, will you guys make up your f*cking minds? First we badger women for not giving up the poontang unless there's some kind of emotional commitment... and now they're "hors" because they DO just want to have sex?

Good point; one i made a week or two ago myself. It can't be said enough though.

 

[realsmoothie]

Sure, i'm open to a ONS once and awhile, but alot of these ONS girls now-a-days are doing a different guy a week. You become just as cheap as they are.

How is it "cheap"? If these girls are doing it because they like the activity of having sex, what's wrong with that?

 

[st_99]

Huge difference between ONS's and husbands letting their wifes gut f#cked or fingered by some random dude.

Girls have ONS's all the time and that doesnt make them a bad person per say. Especially young girls in there early 20's who are not ready to settle down or have much interest in a relationship. Ya still gotta get laid every now and then, its only human.

But I can't see myself sitting at the dinner table with the wife.. "so honey, did you screw that guy that just moved in across the street yet?" "Oh, good! How was it?"

 

[STR8UP]

But they are not "M"en. They lack self respect. No even the strongest male animal in the pack allows other males to sample on his females. The lion, the alpha wolf, and other strong animals have multiple females...and will destroy any male that get too close to them.

Point taken, but here's something to think about.....

As big of a proponent as I am for calling human beings "animals" (making them subject to the laws of nature and the will to procreate and sustain the species), there is no doubt that we ARE the most intelligent animal on the planet.

Maybe this goes against some of the things that I have said in the past, but due to the higher level of intelligence and the fact that we as humans are capable of emotion, don't you think that it's POSSIBLE for us to transcend some of our animalistic tendencies once we have come to recognize our emotional side and are thus able to control it?

Does everyone not have an "inner freak"? I would venture to say that almost all of us have "deviant" thoughts or desires from time to time, it's just that many people don't act on them. And the reason they DON'T act on them a lot of the time is because it is frowned upon by society and they are afraid of being judged. So who is truly the alpha male? The one who harbors deep, dark fantasies and is afraid to act upon them? Or the one who says "fukk society, I'm not buying what they are selling" and does what makes HIM happy and what turns HIM on.

I know how jealousy works, and you can't turn that sh!t off like a faucet. People who share partners HAVE to be able to separate love from sex. You can't sit there and watch your girl performing sexual acts with someone else while you are seething with negative emotions. You do it because it turns you on, and I don't see anything wrong with that, if that's your thing.

People have not changed in the last 10 years. What have changed is the quality of people you hang up with.

If anything, it's the opposite. I used to work in restaurants and bars, and used to associate primarily with my coworkers. A few of them were working toward bettering themselves, but a LOT of them were stuck in the routine of going to work, partying all night, and getting up the next afternoon to do it all over again. These were more like the people you describe as who you THINK I associate with today, yet the sexual attitudes were different.

And please...do not confuse wealth, $, education, and professions with Masculinity.

You keep saying stuff like this. Why? I never once made any such claim. The points I made about the diversity of my friends were to prove that I'm not out hanging around crack wh0res and drug dealers.

A true man walks with a woman desired by many...but owned only by him. And with owned...I mean her body and soul.

You know better! You NEVER own the pu$$y....you are simply leasing.

It is not about judging their behavior. If they want to live life without respecting themselves...that's fine. But, it is about judging YOURS. After all, that's the purpose of this forum and you are a member of this forum.

You are judging them, and you are judging me. You make a blanket statement that anyone who would partake of such things does not respect themselves which is nothing more than your personal opinion based upon what you believe is right and wrong. Opinion, not fact.

 

[Latinoman]

Personally...I was not talking about the woman behavior as this is an entirely different topic.

I was talking about men sharing their women and using the "sexual exploration" excuse to deal with the real issue: lack of masculinity, lack of ability to FULLY satisfy his own woman, and fear of losing that woamn.

The roles have reversed. The alpha lion or alpha wolf is not longer masculine. It is actually his mate.

Why is that? Fear.

The Illiad shows how two kingdoms go to war because one man slept with the other's woman. The lion king with phuck practically all the females in his group and would literally destroy any male that approaches one of his mates.

Changing the topic a little: I try to avoid women that are into the ONS stuff. It is not like if there a lot of Great males out there to get women crazy for the one night stand. Kind of diminishes me my putting me at the others same level. But that's more of a personal preference and I don't care if others are into it.

 

[STR8UP]

Jesus, will you guys make up your f*cking minds? First we badger women for not giving up the poontang unless there's some kind of emotional commitment... and now they're "hors" because they DO just want to have sex?

Yea, you can't have it both ways. Guys are the biggest hypocrites! It amazes me that the "rational" male has such a difficult time understanding that.

 

[decades]

Although I would not call it a new revolution, there is a new promiscuousness. its easier to get laid these days.

 

[tmpgstx]

How is it "cheap"? If these girls are doing it because they like the activity of having sex, what's wrong with that?

Now we're getting into that liberal tone of things where what one person does, everyone should do or have. We have nukes, they should have nukes. We have lots of money, they should have lots of money. All things are and should be equal. On paper, maybe so, but in the real world, it is dog eat dog. It is competition and success that propels us to great accomplishments. Not supplicating, apologetic hippie free-loving horse-shyte.

A woman worth her salt is not sleeping with a new guy every week. Her sexual nature is not like a man's sexual nature. They are inheritantly and biologically and strategically different. A woman gets greater sexual satisifaction from intimacy and relation. Doing it out of context like a man is just hollow to her nature and thwarting intimacy. These girls often have the most issues.

 

[realsmoothie]

A woman worth her salt is not sleeping with a new guy every week. Her sexual nature is not like a man's sexual nature. They are inheritantly and biologically and strategically different. A woman gets greater sexual satisifaction from intimacy and relation. Doing it out of context like a man is just hollow to her nature and thwarting intimacy. These girls often have the most issues.

Sorry, but that's bullsh*t.

Sure, a woman gets sexual satisfaction from "intimacy and relation". It's true. But just because she CAN do it that way doesn't mean it's the ONLY way.

Things have changed for women. They can go out and get laid just to get laid... because it feels good... without fear of being judged by society as a "slut". Women can have multiple orgasms. Have you ever had an orgasm as intense as those a lot of women have? I'm sorry, if I could do that, I'd do it all the time.

Men have spent millennia trying to control female sexuality by calling it religiously "evil" or using scientific evidence to judge that women are less sexually interested than men. That today's women are obsessed with relationships, money, security and the such has as much to do with self-fullfilling prophecy as anything else. It's true that there is a biological factor there... but it's FAR more to do with the society around her. Men and women BOTH want sex.

If a woman wants to go out and get laid, good for her. Hopefully I'm the one on the other end. If you want to judge her based on some kind of antiquated black or white thinking, fine, have fun with that!

Sorry if that sounds *****y. Haven't been on the site for a while, had forgotten about the chick-bashing that goes on.

 

[tmpgstx]

If a woman wants to go out and get laid, good for her. Hopefully I'm the one on the other end. If you want to judge her based on some kind of antiquated black or white thinking, fine, have fun with that!

Or ..hopefully you are not the guy getting cheated on. I wouldn't call it chic-bashing so much as having some sexual restraint for getting respect.

How can she expect a decent guy to respect her when she's out getting jack-hammered by all kinds of guys? Doesn't hold much value for her. Girls like this wonder why they can't get decent boyfriends.

I wouldn't want one of these girls later for an LTR only to find out how much fun she had blowing one dude and taking it doggy from his buddy. Call me old-fashioned, but don't buy your free love views to that extent.

You are trying to rationalize rampid promiscuity which causes a moral break-down, jealousy, and cheating etc. Nothing good long-term comes of it.

I agree, trying to control women's sexuality is not good and is on the other extreme end of things.

I wouldn't want my GF swallowing some other guys load .. talk about compromising my masculinity in the name of free love and sharing with friends.

 

[Latinoman]

Realsmoothy...so you know...very rarely a woman reach an orgasm. Unless she is dealing with a man that understands her body. And still, in many cases it takes lot of work.

Add the following to the above: most men are mediocre when it comes to satisfying a woman.

I'm willing to bet my pension that less than 50% of those women reach an orgasm. And when they do...it happens with less than 20% of the men they had sex on those ONS.

When it comes to biology...times do no change. We are different.
Men and women are different.

That said...it is not the fact they are having sex...but the how and the with who.

Now, I don't judge anyone that I choose to have sex with. Heck...the sooner the better.
Because there is a quality to seducing a woman no other man can.

But I won't even approach a woman that sleeps around with any random dyck she meets. Here is why...there is no way I would get into a relationship with one. And number two: I'm the prize and a woman that degrades herself sleeping with losers is not going to get lucky with me.
As I don't expect a highly desired and selective woman to sleep with me if I was into sleeping with anyone.

I'm very selective. I know that ANY woman that shows strong attraction for me is a woman that I can bed. So, I'm not desperate for sex either. My standards might lower considerably when I'm much older. I'm not there yet.

Note: I might make exception for married women as long as they only sleep with their hubby and yours truly. I say this because I'm far from moralistic.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Since that was your minor, you should know that was a common joke about psyche majors; not to be confused with reality.

I didn't confuse it with reality. You DID read the part where I backed up that observation with FACTS that supported it right? The article that I quoted and linked to that talked about how therapists DO have a lot of mental problems that are at rates above that of the regular population once again:

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-19970701-000045&page=3

A number of surveys, conducted by Guy and others, reveal some worri-some statistics about therapists' lives and well-being. At least three out of four therapists have experienced major distress within the past three years, the principal cause being relationship problems. More than 60 percent may have suffered a clinically significant depression at some point in their lives, and nearly half admitted that in the weeks following a personal crisis they're unable to deliver quality care. As for psychiatrists, a 1997 study by Michael Klag, M.D., found that the divorce rate for psychiatrists who graduated from Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine between 1948 and 1964 was 51 percent -- higher than that of the general population of that era, and substantially higher than the rate in any other branch of medicine.

:crazy:

 

[Latinoman]

Point taken, but here's something to think about.....

Maybe this goes against some of the things that I have said in the past, but due to the higher level of intelligence and the fact that we as humans are capable of emotion, don't you think that it's POSSIBLE for us to transcend some of our animalistic tendencies once we have come to recognize our emotional side and are thus able to control it?

You and I know that a puzz-y hair has more pulling strenght than a chain tied to a semi truck. Men lose 1/2 their fortunes by marrying the wrong woman. Men spent 18 years of their life paying lot of money supporting their bastard kids. Sure...we are the "intelligent" one.

Does everyone not have an "inner freak"? I would venture to say that almost all of us have "deviant" thoughts or desires from time to time, it's just that many people don't act on them. And the reason they DON'T act on them a lot of the time is because it is frowned upon by society and they are afraid of being judged. So who is truly the alpha male? The one who harbors deep, dark fantasies and is afraid to act upon them? Or the one who says "fukk society, I'm not buying what they are selling" and does what makes HIM happy and what turns HIM on.

Of course I am adventurous. I have phucked two women at the same time (3some). Did the group thing once too. Sex in the beach, parking lot, my porch, etc. Sex with unhappily married women and with happily married one too. Sex with the mistress of a very dangerous man. Sex on the driveway late at night. Sex with women while I was married. Sex in video tape. Inside the beach too. And the lists going on!

But one thing is for sure...sharing my woman will never happen. It is not alpha when a men does that. He does it out of fear and because he is incapable of fully satisfying his woman. FULLY satified woman won't want another cuck. Even if given to by Brad Pitt.

Nothing to do with jelousy. Everything to do with being 100% male.

You keep saying stuff like this. Why? I never once made any such claim. The points I made about the diversity of my friends were to prove that I'm not out hanging around crack wh0res and drug dealers.

All the woman you describe in your posts have some serious issues of self respect.

You know better! You NEVER own the pu$$y....you are simply leasing.

No...the only thing getting lease is my c-ck.

You make a blanket statement that anyone who would partake of such things does not respect themselves which is nothing more than your personal opinion based upon what you believe is right and wrong. Opinion, not fact.

It is a fact. You see? A "M"an does not need another male touching his woman to turn him on.

 

[STR8UP]

But one thing is for sure...sharing my woman will never happen. It is not alpha when a men does that. He does it out of fear and because he is incapable of fully satisfying his woman.

Says who?

Your entire argument is based upon this, and I don't buy it.

Again, do a little reading before you GUESS at what other people's motivations are for having sexual relations that do not appeal to you personally. I HAVE read up on it, and the studies that i have read paint an entirely different picture.

I'm no expert, and I have no facts to back this up, but my guess would be that very, VERY few men do this out of fear.

Like I said before, you can't turn jealousy on and off at will. If a guy was SCARED that he couldn't satisfy his woman, he would be sitting there FUMING over another guy touching his girl. Emotions won't allow you to have a fear of not pleasing your woman AND a lack of jealousy at the same time. It doesn't work that way.

FULLY satified woman won't want another cuck. Even if given to by Brad Pitt.

Great in a fairy tale, but real life is a little bit different. Good luck fully satisfying ANY woman for all of eternity.......

It is a fact. You see? A "M"an does not need another male touching his woman to turn him on.

Well, I'm not particularly into S&M, bondage, shoe fetishes, getting pissed on, having sex with farm animals, or waking up next to a transsexual one legged midget, but if that sh!t yanks your crank, who is to say that precludes you from being a "M"an?

 

[joekerr31]

Well, I'm not particularly into S&M, bondage, shoe fetishes, getting pissed on, having sex with farm animals, or waking up next to a transsexual one legged midget, but if that sh!t yanks your crank, who is to say that precludes you from being a "M"an?

fetishes generally arise out of boredom. or chasing after that 'high'.

the crazy accessibility to porn has really cranked up the amount of people in to fetishes. people are no longer happy just to be getting laid, now they want pregnant chics squirting on them while getting banged in the *ss by a shemale.

str8up, you know i'm always hoping the best for you, but i gotta admit, the crowd you hang with worries me at times. it sounds like you are in with the hedonistic 'anything goes' crowd.

and there is nothing wrong with that, if that is what you want. but just realize you are NOT going to find the high quality woman you are searching for (at least im assuming you are searching for from yoru various posts)

your problem seems to be the opposite of most guys. you're too in with the party wild crowd.

most guys would kill to be with that crowd - just to get laid though!

the problem is that you dont seem to be connected to the more mainstream crowd - you know, average boring folks who just do their thing

thats where you are going to find your sweetheart you know

 

[Latinoman]

Says who?

Your entire argument is based upon this, and I don't buy it.

Of course you don't buy it. You have been "matrixized".

Again, do a little reading before you GUESS at what other people's motivations are for having sexual relations that do not appeal to you personally. I HAVE read up on it, and the studies that i have read paint an entirely different picture.

Read? I have travelled to places that have sex shows (eg: life sex) and visited those places as early as the 1980s.

I'm no expert, and I have no facts to back this up, but my guess would be that very, VERY few men do this out of fear.

Fear of not been accepted. Fear of having his woman cheat behind their backs and consequently justifying it she doing it in fron of them as "that's not cheating". Fear of being ALONE.
Fear of having an Alpha male taking his woman from him. So they rather "share" than lose everything.

If a guy was SCARED that he couldn't satisfy his woman, he would be sitting there FUMING over another guy touching his girl. Emotions won't allow you to have a fear of not pleasing your woman AND a lack of jealousy at the same time. It doesn't work that way.

He has NO choice. Share her or lose her completely. He is not man enough.

Great in a fairy tale, but real life is a little bit different. Good luck fully satisfying ANY woman for all of eternity.......

Today is actually easier. There are NOT a lot of men out there. If you master the art of positive masculinity...and if you learn how to satisfy a woman at the (1) physical, (2) emotional, (3) mental, (4) intellectual, and if needed (5) spiritual level...AND if you picked a woman that showed that "chemical" reaction toward you...you will satisfy that woman forever. Of course...lenght will be dependant (in the case of marriage) on a series of compatible factors such as desire or lack of to have kids, other goals, religious compatibility, economical compatibility, etc.

Well, I'm not particularly into S&M, bondage, shoe fetishes, getting pissed on, having sex with farm animals, or waking up next to a transsexual one legged midget, but if that sh!t yanks your crank, who is to say that precludes you from being a "M"an?

Thousands of years have shown that men has killed, gone to war, and destroyed themselves because of a woman. Only today is "okay" for men to share their women. It is not a natural "M"asculine quality.

Notice how "bisexualism", "wife swapping", "women sharing" has INCREASED considerably in America/UK/Canada/Australia in the last 2 generations. It is not a coincidence that true positive Masculinity is at an all time low. They are correlated.

 

[joekerr31]

i agree that sharing your woman is F*CKED UP!

personally i think a lot of the guys who do that sort of thing are gay or bisexual. and the thrill they get from watching isn't so much watching their wife, but rather watching the naked man banging her. i think hafl the time they are projecting themselves in their wife's position. ie. your banging the wife, but he's imagining that its him you are banging (even if hes not even watching).

i mean, when it comes to porn its fine. porn is like tv - its fantasy for the viewer.

but that kind of stuff in real life - i dont know - just doesn't seem even close to normal in my opinion. and by normal i don't mean the status quo, i mean what is psychologically healthy for the normal human brain.

 

[azanon]

I didn't confuse it with reality. You DID read the part where I backed up that observation with FACTS that supported it right? The article that I quoted and linked to that talked about how therapists DO have a lot of mental problems that are at rates above that of the regular population once again:

One can use statistics and/or design a study to support just about anything. Ok... so you're not completely pulling it out of your ass, I'll give you that. In any event, it is "the" running joke about psych majors.

But I have to put personal experience above studies; my wife and several psych major friends. They seemed quite normal and grounded to me.

If I'm gonna go "cookoo" hunting as a college campus, I'll probably check the religion or art departments first.