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[azanon]

There sure is a lot of judgmental hating towards women in this thread. You guys talk about casual sex like its selling your soul; at least where it concerns women.

Folks; its just sex, and we're just animals (albeit really intelligent ones). You can pretend you're not one, but it won't make it so.

 

[STR8UP]

Yo LMS,


You know, I think you've really HIT on something here...

You're right. I don't think there really IS such a thing as a "LEVEL" of hor-dom. So there's no such thing as a little hor or a BIG hor. And if that's the case, there'd also be no such thing as a woman being a little bit "hor", because that would be like saying that a woman can be a little bit "pregnant"...lol

This shyt is finally starting to make more and more sense----when I really think about i...lol

LMS is shooting holes in his theory or philosophy or whatever the hell it is.

If you say that there are no "levels of hordom" you are saying that you can pinpoint EXACTLY what makes a woman a "hor"

I challenge you to get ANY two people on this entire board, let alone the population of a city to AGREE on exactly what makes a woman a "hor".

Okay, me first. A hor is a woman who has slept with no more than 2 men by the time she turns 20 years old, no more than 4 by the time she is 25, and no more than 6 in her entire life. That is, of course, assuming that she was never married, because then you have to add the number of years she was married and subtract that from the equation to arrive at an accurate number. And we won't count the one time in college where she got drunk with her best friend and they touched each other's nether regions for a few minutes (unless of course their genitals touched or they used inanimate objects, cause that would count as another sex partner).

See how fukking ridiculous that sounds?

Everyone wants to try to label a woman a "hor" but they CAN'T. Why not? Because a "hor" is a woman who has sex for money, NOT a woman who has "X" number of sex partners by "X" age.

You can't even get STARTED trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about, cause as soon as you do you will realize that you can't even quantify it, and when you TRY to do so, you will probably sound like an ass, as I illustrated in a previous paragraph.

 

[azanon]

I would define a whor* as a woman dumb enough to actually admit to a large number of partners given the level of judgmental attitude prevalent in our society today.

The intelligent ones, of course, had sex with as many men as they tell you that they did or that you know about; whichever figure is lower. If they are interested in a LMS type man, of course they've never had sex before and they broke their hymen with a tampax.

 

[STR8UP]

Banging around with some other dude's chick is nasty. Attitudes changing or not. Gross. It'd be less gross if he weren't there, but knowing the guy who's cack was up in there is right over thur...freaks me out.

What's the difference between "banging some dude's chick" and banging a fukk buddy who has other fukk buddies?

Most guys here seem to advocate having relationships with multiple women, yet so many find it unacceptable or "gross" when another guy tells you to help yourself to his girl??? Sounds like it's all in your head....

 

[STR8UP]

I would define a whor* as a woman dumb enough to actually admit to a large number of partners given the level of judgmental attitude prevalent in our society today.

The intelligent ones, of course, had sex with as many men as they tell you that they did or that you know about; whichever figure is lower. If they are interested in a LMS type man, of course they've never had sex before and they broke their hymen with a tampax.

BINGO!

That's EXACTLY what I have been trying to tell people.

Pssst....LMS.......I got a bridge for sale if you're interested

 

[STR8UP]

no one with self respect and a clear sense of purpose in life would denegrate themselves by letting some guy they just met finger them up in a hot tub in front of their husband. these peopel will tell you that they are simply adventurous, its bs. they are folks who desperately need dangerous thrills to feel alive - because they dont feel alive in their every day lives.

and sure it all sounds like fun and games, until you get an STD , HIV or someone loses an eye, then it ain't so funny.

Or show your pu$$y to a friend of your husband?

I find all of this totally fascinating (especially since I have started to meet people who are into it), so I have looked up some research material about swinging. I would suggest you read up on what the studies say about the kinds of people who engage in the lifestyle before you make a snap judgment. They aren't the emotionally scarred gutter scum people make them out to be.

Here is an interesting observation for you.

The guy who let me finger his girlfriend's pu$$y and suck on her t!ts is pursuing a degree in psychology. And this isn't the first person I have known who holds psych/sociology degrees that tends to lean toward the liberal side when it comes to, shall we say, "adventurous" sex.

Coincidence? I doubt it. I would venture to say that people who are trained in these fields would tend to be more open minded and less judgmental, due to the fact that they are educated into what makes people tick.

Ever see the movie Kinsey? I would suggest watching it. It's a pretty good movie, and it will open your eyes to a few things.

 

[STR8UP]

I think it’s difficult to make generalizations to the whole world from an environment of strip clubs near Miami.

First of all, I'm nowhere near Miami. I am in CONSERVATIVE Orlando.

Secondly, this has nothing to do with strip clubs. Where did you get that idea? I know several of them (strippers) from work and haven't touched a single one (not in about 15 years, lol). This is not about strippers!

 

[STR8UP]

There sure is a lot of judgmental hating towards women in this thread. You guys talk about casual sex like its selling your soul; at least where it concerns women.

Folks; its just sex, and we're just animals (albeit really intelligent ones). You can pretend you're not one, but it won't make it so.

It's like everyone wants to think that people are too evolved to want to engage in any act other than what THEY consider to be acceptable.

Not to get religious, but we all know where a lot of this BS stems from.

 

[Luthor Rex]

There sure is a lot of judgmental hating towards women in this thread. You guys talk about casual sex like its selling your soul; at least where it concerns women.

Folks; its just sex, and we're just animals (albeit really intelligent ones). You can pretend you're not one, but it won't make it so.

Sometimes I wish I were a Cylon... that way I could always download to a new body if this one gets killed...

Oh I'm sorry, what was the topic?

 

[Luthor Rex]

The guy who let me finger his girlfriend's pu$$y and suck on her t!ts is pursuing a degree in psychology. And this isn't the first person I have known who holds psych/sociology degrees that tends to lean toward the liberal side when it comes to, shall we say, "adventurous" sex.

Coincidence? I doubt it. I would venture to say that people who are trained in these fields would tend to be more open minded and less judgmental, due to the fact that they are educated into what makes people tick.

While in college my minor was in psychology.

Here is the truth about psych/soch majors: many (most?) have picked that field because they want to find out what's wrong with themselves. A very large number of the people who pick this major are not the dispassionate scientific types... rather they are the eccentric nut-job type.

Evolutionary psychology and Cognitive Behavior Therapy are both steps in the right direction towards HARD science, and away from the pseudo-science bull**** of Freud and Marx.

Anyhow, here's one article about psychologists and why they shouldn't be treated as though they are the models for the rest of us:

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19970701-000045.html

Suicide, stress, divorce -- psychologists and other mental health professionals may actually be more screwed up than the rest of us.... The problem is that mental health professionals -- particularly psychologists -- do a poor job of monitoring their own mental health problems and those of their colleagues... These impressions are confirmed by published research. An American Psychiatric Association study concluded that '"physicians with affective disorders tend to select psychiatry as a specialty." (Curiously, the authors presented this as their belief, "for a variety of reasons," without explanation.) In a 1993 study, James Guy, Ph.D., dean of the School of Psychology at Fuller Theological Seminary, compared the early childhood experiences of female psychotherapists to those of other professional women. The therapists reported higher rates of family dysfunction, parental alcoholism, sexual and physical abuse, and parental death or psychiatric hospitalization than did their professional counterparts. And a 1992 survey of male and female therapists found that more than two-thirds of the women and one-third of the men reported having experienced some form of sexual or physical abuse in early life. Freud seems to have been right about this one: The mental health professions attract people who have suffered.

 

[Latinoman]

Why I don't have sex with obese women? For starters, I am not attracted to them. As importantly, I cannot be with a woman that lacks self respect.

I won't judge a woman for liking sex. I won't even judge SOME married women for having affairs. Sh-it happens.

However, woman that sleeps with anyone and has no respect for herself or her body is a woman that I won't be involved with.

A man that involves himself with women that lack self respect is a man that has little respect for himself.

I don't care how much justification is brought up.

This is not woman hating. It is also applicable to men with certain behavior. Lack of self respect applies to both sexes.

 

[Latinoman]

Why I don't have sex with obese women? For starters, I am not attracted to them. As importantly, I cannot be with a woman that lacks self respect.

I won't judge a woman for liking sex. I won't even judge SOME married women for having affairs. Sh-it happens.

However, woman that sleeps with anyone and has no respect for herself or her body is a woman that I won't be involved with.

A man that involves himself with women that lack self respect is a man that has little respect for himself.

I don't care how much justification is brought up.

This is not woman hating. It is also applicable to men with certain behavior. Lack of self respect applies to both sexes.

 

[st_99]

Or show your pu$$y to a friend of your husband?

I find all of this totally fascinating (especially since I have started to meet people who are into it), so I have looked up some research material about swinging. I would suggest you read up on what the studies say about the kinds of people who engage in the lifestyle before you make a snap judgment. They aren't the emotionally scarred gutter scum people make them out to be.

Here is an interesting observation for you.

The guy who let me finger his girlfriend's pu$$y and suck on her t!ts is pursuing a degree in psychology. And this isn't the first person I have known who holds psych/sociology degrees that tends to lean toward the liberal side when it comes to, shall we say, "adventurous" sex.

Coincidence? I doubt it. I would venture to say that people who are trained in these fields would tend to be more open minded and less judgmental, due to the fact that they are educated into what makes people tick.

Ever see the movie Kinsey? I would suggest watching it. It's a pretty good movie, and it will open your eyes to a few things.

So would you let some guy finger your girlfriend or wife in front of you? Do you really think its ok for a guy to let you finger his girlfriend? If not, then why are YOU making this behavior out to be OK?

I understand you're just out having fun and thats cool because I would do the same thing BUT, I would also wake up the next day and say to myself.. "what a bunch of f#cking pigs" not start buying into this sicko life style because I was having fun at the time. Yes, that girl is a hor. Stop making excuses for and defending hors. Its ok to bang hors but don't start thinking like them.

 

[Latinoman]

By the way education, social status, nor wealth defines the character of a man.

In fact, comming from extreme poverty to high middle class and meeting some in the upper class...I have learned that some of the most masculine, DJs, with the strongest character were men which professions were such as janitors, mechanics, construction. In fact, those were the types I surrounded myself as a child and teenager as I came from extreme poverty.

A College or University does not teach masculinity nor self respect (heck, some of the biggest AFCs in here are pursuing PhDs or medical degrees!). Money does not teach self respect.

The biggest AFCs I have met in real life have college degrees or great investment portfolios.

And people wonder why women are into bi-sexualism. There is not enough "M"en out there! "M"en that are appart from the rest.

I learned that as a young enlisted men in the military that having the masculinity of the mechanics, and other blue collar workers was not going to be enough for a man of brown skin and strong accent to target certain type of women. So I went to college (my own money) and found a career and moved up too.

Those college friends of your are men that always lacked self respect and masculinity. No even male animals are into sharing as a wolf or lion would tare the competition up.

Sexual revolution? No. Just a bunch of people that lack self respect and are the by product of single mothers and/or hippy parents. And the fact that you live near a place in which people seek acceptance either by engaging in drugs or sex in self destructive and degrading ways.

 

[azanon]

While in college my minor was in psychology.

Here is the truth about psych/soch majors: many (most?) have picked that field because they want to find out what's wrong with themselves. A very large number of the people who pick this major are not the dispassionate scientific types... rather they are the eccentric nut-job type.

Evolutionary psychology and Cognitive Behavior Therapy are both steps in the right direction towards HARD science, and away from the pseudo-science bull**** of Freud and Marx.

Since that was your minor, you should know that was a common joke about psyche majors; not to be confused with reality. I had 3 psychology electives so I got a pretty good feel for the bunch. They seemed as normal as any other major. My wife was a psyche major and she's as normal as they come. Unfortunately for her, that makes her a magnet for wounded birds who constantly hound her for help to straigten out their scre*ed up lives. (yes, i realize I set myself up stating that, but I consider myself an exception ;-) )

Psychology, like all of the modern day sciences, have as a cornerstone a thought process that uses logic, reason, and the scentific method. People that are drawn to fields such as this one that use a systematic method of learning the unknown are going to be your benchmarks for what is "normal". Your crazy folks are those that talk about claiming to know or seeking "truth" or people who deal in absolutes. You wont see psychologists speaking this way.

From what i could tell, the most quirkey group of folks were the religion majors; which should be no surprise since they believe in supernatural phenemenon.

 

[blueguy]

Have you ever encountered some random dude fingering your wife in the hot tub? I guess it's okay as long as she didn't tell you about it...

 

[STR8UP]

So would you let some guy finger your girlfriend or wife in front of you? Do you really think its ok for a guy to let you finger his girlfriend? If not, then why are YOU making this behavior out to be OK?

Do I think it's "ok"? Put it this way, I DON'T think it's "not ok". If it is between consenting adults, who is to say?

Would I? It doesn't matter if i would or would not. I'm not gonna sit here and tell anyone that this is my cup of tea. I' merely fascinated by the dynamic and refuse to buy into the myth that only low quality, damaged people would live this sort of a lifestyle.

Read some of the scientific research. Seriously. I didn't know for sure what it was all about until I read up on it.

You people are using YOUR personal views as a standard for what is right and wrong. Whatever YOU choose to adhere to, that's fine, but don't pass judgment.

I understand you're just out having fun and thats cool because I would do the same thing BUT, I would also wake up the next day and say to myself.. "what a bunch of f#cking pigs" not start buying into this sicko life style because I was having fun at the time. Yes, that girl is a hor. Stop making excuses for and defending hors. Its ok to bang hors but don't start thinking like them.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I would bet that if you guys knew the REAL sexual history behind the women who you have slept with, especially the ones you think are "good girls", you would be absolutely amazed and possibly disgusted by what you found out.

My last g/f had only been with one other guy in her life. But then halfway through the relationship she admitted to having had a sexual encounter with a FEMALE in the past as well. She was obviously embarrassed about it, and refused to elaborate on the experience, but it made me curious as to what OTHER things were in her past she wasn't telling me. But the point is, I was curious, not pissed or grossed out.

All you are doing is sticking your head in the sand and adopting a don't ask don't tell policy to wrap human sexuality up in a nice little package with a pretty little bow. Whatever you have to do to make the pill easier to swallow...more power to ya

 

[STR8UP]

By the way education, social status, nor wealth defines the character of a man.

I never made that claim.

Sexual revolution? No. Just a bunch of people that lack self respect and are the by product of single mothers and/or hippy parents.

Or maybe a broadening view of sexuality, as opposed to the unnatural constraints placed upon society by puritanical morality. Call it what you will, it's YOUR own mind that places limits on what is considered acceptable, not some universal law. And the fact that 90% of the rest of our population think the same way does nothing to help your argument. People are sheep, I learned that years ago.

And the fact that you live near a place in which people seek acceptance either by engaging in drugs or sex in self destructive and degrading ways.

My neighbors are doctors, lawyers, high paid executives, and business owners in a classy neighborhood in a city that many would consider to be fairly conservative. My friends and acquaintances range from truck drivers to other business owners and everything in between. Some live in low income neighborhoods, Some live in middle class suburban homes. Some live in palaces. They are about as normal as they come. Maybe they can just sense that I am not the type to judge their behavior, so i see a different side of them than others do.

 

[Latinoman]

I never made that claim.



Or maybe a broadening view of sexuality, as opposed to the unnatural constraints placed upon society by puritanical morality. Call it what you will, it's YOUR own mind that places limits on what is considered acceptable, not some universal law. And the fact that 90% of the rest of our population think the same way does nothing to help your argument. People are sheep, I learned that years ago.



My neighbors are doctors, lawyers, high paid executives, and business owners in a classy neighborhood in a city that many would consider to be fairly conservative. My friends and acquaintances range from truck drivers to other business owners and everything in between. Some live in low income neighborhoods, Some live in middle class suburban homes. Some live in palaces. They are about as normal as they come. Maybe they can just sense that I am not the type to judge their behavior, so i see a different side of them than others do.

But they are not "M"en. They lack self respect. No even the strongest male animal in the pack allows other males to sample on his females. The lion, the alpha wolf, and other strong animals have multiple females...and will destroy any male that get too close to them.

People have not changed in the last 10 years. What have changed is the quality of people you hang up with.

I personally don't follow societal standards. I don't share all the details of my personal life. But, I can tell you one thing...real males (animals or humans) do not share their females. That has been the way for thousands of years in both the animal and human world.

And please...do not confuse wealth, $, education, and professions with Masculinity.
Sure...those people are normal as the amount of "M"en has decreased considerable in the last 40 years.

A true man walks with a woman desired by many...but owned only by him. And with owned...I mean her body and soul.


Today...many "m"en cannot do that. So, instead of losing her...they are afraid and share her with others. Trust me...a FULLY satisfied woman would NOT want to see other men. But takes work, respect, and positive masculinity to accomplish that.

In essence...you circle of buddies are not "M"en.

It is not about judging their behavior. If they want to live life without respecting themselves...that's fine. But, it is about judging YOURS. After all, that's the purpose of this forum and you are a member of this forum.

In summary...their behavior is due to fear, inability to be Masculine beings, and some sick justification.

It is called the puzzyfication of the American male.

 

[tmpgstx]

Latman has some good insightful point.

The guy who let me finger his girlfriend's pu$$y and suck on her t!ts is pursuing a degree in psychology. And this isn't the first person I have known who holds psych/sociology degrees that tends to lean toward the liberal side when it comes to, shall we say, "adventurous" sex

Psych majors are often the most screwed up people. They take Psycho to figure themselves out (or attempt to).

Hors are girls who spread their legs at a moment's notice for immediate gratification without regard to the female sexual nature for being relational and more picky due to greater sexual investment.

A man you say? A guy who never stops achieving and doesn't wine and complain about petty things.