Captain Harlock said:
Coming out for being gay would have been a big issue a couple of decades ago and would probably result in the same things you have just said about blacks. Why shouldn't they be able to compare their struggle for acceptance in society with yours? how is it an insult? Because of statistics?
What are you talking about? They can't compare their struggle because they don't have to go through it if they don't want too. I support their rights to stand up for the beliefs, but when it comes down to it theres nothing a gay white male couldn't do that his straight counterpart could if they acted in the same manner.
None of those things would have happened a couple of decades back, they may have been prosecuted but they weren't written into the Constitution as 3/5s of a person, as long as they were white and male they could vote, own property, go to school, etc. There was no civil war fought, and tbh, as much discrimination as gays get, the only thing they CAN'T do is get married. Compared with the civil rights that were completely absent before the movement this is a laughable comparison.
You can't compare a fight that they have elected to participate in for higher standards of livings to one in which an entire race of people participated in so that they could simply live, period.
I don't want gays to be discriminated against either, but I would venture to say that there still is as much, if not more animosity towards minorities than gays in this country.
By the way I don't support Sotomayor, but she has more judicial experience than most Supreme Court judges that have been lauded as some of the best when they were instated, so while she may have been chosen for being a Spanish woman, she's more qualified than 90% of American Supreme court justices when they were inducted, and graduated in the top 10% of princeton.
My ancestors were persecuted far worse than the blacks, further, they were the first to campaign against slavery in America.
Who the **** are your ancestors? Africa was raped by GB, France, Indoeuropeans, Americans and has had a slave trade since society has nearly began, unless your Chinese there's no ****ing way that any white race has suffered more persecution based on ethnicity, maybe on religion, but even the racism against immigrants is not even close to being compared to hundreds of years of slavery preceded by hundreds of years of domestic and foreign slavery.
Blacks and other "minorities" think it's just great when they get preferential treatment, but when another group gets it too then they see the error in it and it's not so wonderful. Now you get a little taste of how it feels to be in the modern white males shoes and you don't like it so much . The distant past is no justification for preferential treatment in the present and future. And just like with the civil rights movement and feminism, the gay movement is not about fair and equal treatment but preferential group treatment.
No, I think its great when failures blame a crooked system on failing. I go to a top school and I hear people who think they had the grades to get in say they didn't because of Affirmative action. I see the minority of pitiful, fat, average joe white american drinking his beer complaining that all the Good jobs are going away, meanwhile tons of white american males were graduating just two years ago into six figure salaries in the business, engineering, and doctoral world, all of which (besides some sects of engineering) are dominated by white males in America and continue to be so. I don't mind as it is, traditionally white males and foreign students from Asia are far more interested than any other group of people (white female, blacks, spanish, etc) in doing these jobs.
You're an idiot if you think the civil rights movement and feminism was to get preferential treatment. Blacks couldn't vote, get an education, own property, and weren't considered full people. Women couldn't vote, go beyond certain means of education or receive certain jobs that many could do better than men. What the **** are you saying? Unless a gay person tells an employer they are gay and he is bias, there should be no problem, and you shouldn't be anyway. The workplace is not a place to ****, when you apply for the job they don't ask you if you are straight do they?
Lastly, Affirmative action is a result of an inordinate wealth and population inequality that was around up until the 50s or 60s. The idea being that since the country has been controlled by whites for 300 years or so, it's generally understood that a majority of the wealth will be circulated into the same wealth families. Affirmative action tries to break that cycle by reaching into a larger pool of talent that may not have had the same opportunities, but have the same, if not more potential as white students with good training.
I came from a ****ty public school system, and I know I didn't get into one of the sickest schools in the country on Affirmative action, I graduated with a 1400/1600 and a 3.96 GPA. I can guarantee they would have been near perfect scores had I not been limited to such a ****ty school system, yet I still was in nearly the top 10% of the entire nation for my statistics.
. The distant past is no justification for preferential treatment in the present and future. And just like with the civil rights movement and feminism, the gay movement is not about fair and equal treatment but preferential group treatment.
