The Myth of Chad (Who Has a Thousand Lays)

[Robert28]

Its been my experience that women seduce themselves.

In my experience a guy can do all the kino and touching and sexual innuendos he wants, but it won’t help. When a girl has wanted to have sex with me, she’s made it loud and clear, there were no signals to read or pick up on. That’s why I have always felt like kino and “being comfortable with your sexuality” is overrated. When a woman has wanted me she couldn’t keep her hands off of me, even if I hadn’t flirted with her yet.

 

[characternote]

In my experience a guy can do all the kino and touching and sexual innuendos he wants, but it won’t help

if you're saying what I think you're saying (that all the PUA tricks aren't gonna help you seduce a girl who doesn't want to be seduced by you) then that's been my experience too.
Don't think I can link sites here, but been reading 'seddit' (seduction on reddit) recently and there's always interesting debates about that. It seems over there the community have also largely come to the conclusion that it's not possible although there's always maybe 1 or 2 posters who claim they can do it and essentially 'attract' and bang basically any girl they want

 

[Georgepithyou]

Men absolutely HATE hearing about other men's sexual success with women, particularly if they themselves are struggling.

I disagree, a lot of us look up to Chads and want to become one ourselves. That's the whole reason a lot of us even got into game in the first place.

I'm FAR more impressed by guys who are NOT 'chads', not rich or famous, not classically good looking etc, but who manage to get lots of girls by learning the principles of seduction then going out into the world, approaching women and succeeding against the odds.

It always inspires me when i see that sort of thing, especially when it's a shorter guy with a tall good looking girl.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Chad is just the idea of the upper limit of options available, you can be a 5 foot Chad depending on the men around you

 

[Hamurabimbi]

The vast, vast majority of men aren’t jealous of ‘Chad’ success with women. Most seem awed or congratulatory. Don’t underestimate the Halo Effect. It is real. Most GL men are liked not just by women, but by men too. Unless you’re poaching on a guy’s girl, being a GL guy won’t get much negativity. Unless you’re an A-hole.

And it’s not ‘Chads’ keeping things on the qt or not. Men know which men do well with women. Women make it plain whom they are attracted to and shower attention on those men. And men know if men are GL or not.

 

[TheCharmingGuy]

Betas are always impressed by Chads’ big, impressive figures.
10,000 one night stands is just 10,000 women that didn’t want to have sex with you again. Great job.
Stop moaning about the guys who f*ck all the great women and go get yourself a pretty girlfriend who is nice, successful, not insecure, and good at sex. Women love Chads, but they don’t date them.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Chad doesn't need to open - chicks open him, and all he needs to do is not screw up. I guess you could say that Chad is going to screw one way or another - up or in.

So true!!!

 

[Mike32ct]

The Chad thing is interesting because it allows you to see a side of women that you normally wouldn’t see. If you only hung out with normies and never saw any Chads or Chadlites in the field, you would assume that women aren’t really that interested in sex, and they almost never approach men.

TLDR: Women do a very good job hiding their true nature when no Chads/Chadlites are around.

 

[zekko]

1. chad athlete at a D1 college. Let's give him 5 years in college for the sake of argument. What is his pool? It's sorority girls, female athletes and maybe a few dozen normies who are into athletes. How many total women are in that pool? At the very most, say at a university with an enrollment of 50,000, it might be a thousand. Second, how is "chad's" time occupied? Classes, practice, games and travel alone take up at least 50 hours a week, not to mention extra time for sleep and recovery. Add to that 10 - 20 hours a week for study if he actually wants to stay enrolled. In other words, "chad's" schedule looks awfully busy year round and doesn't leave much time for chasing stacies.

2. post grad chad in his 20's. If he's lucky enough to be employed full time and is relatively ambitious, he's grinding out 40 to 60 hour work weeks. He is focused on getting ahead, not getting wasted every night at bars. He has a social circle which includes work mates, some former friends and acquaintances from college, and a few stacies in the mix. This may be a couple dozen people total he knows well. Overall, his social circle has declined drastically compared to college.

You're talking about guys who are success oriented. And there is a big segment of the PUA community that tells you to chase success, not women, and the women will come to you. But you've put your finger on the problem - being successful is a time and energy consuming venture. They will have time to wind down and have some sex, but probably not like other guys imagine it to be.

I've always said the guys I've seen who get the most sex are guys who make sex a priority. It's the most important thing to them, it's their biggest interest. They tend to be naturally good looking. They might be marginally successful, but their focus is on sex. They're always working their next lead, always looking for the next opportunity. They don't shut off. And to be clear, I don't admire these guys.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

We see this notion (bolded) a lot on Sosuave. My experience has taught me that women are very sex-driven, in ways some men just don't see. Their true nature is on display 24/7. It's usually the guy who needs his vision adjusted. No need to turn into a fictional character from an incel storybook to see or even experience this, but it does require behavioral and perspective change.

Women are very horny & obsessed with sex. They will often make the first move. Up to physically kino’ing a guy they want before he moves on them.

 

[zinc4]

That's not at all true.

There is a tiny proportion of men who are enjoying the majority of the lays. It's a bitter pill to swallow for the 95%+ of men who are getting the scraps.

You may think you know Chads. If they aren't getting much sex then they are not Chads. Women decide who the real Chads are.

There's something else to consider about this sexual market place reality. Sexually successful men downplay or even hide their success with women. It does a man absolutely no favors to have it widely known that he sleeps with thousands of women. Other men will try to sabotage him, and he will gain a f*ckboy rep with women, and this just makes life very difficult. Similar to a serial killer, the top level players operate completely in the shadows. Women assist in this because they generally keep quiet about their slutty behavior. Slutt shaming is a real fear that women have.

The biggest enemy of the top-level Player are the 95%+ of other men who hate him and want to destroy him.

I personally haven't slept with thousands of women, but my notch count is approaching 1 thousand. When I started having a lot of success with women in my early 20's I discovered that sharing my success with other men, in my real life, was extremely dangerous. Men absolutely HATE hearing about other men's sexual success with women, particularly if they themselves are struggling.

P.S. Something I wanted to add. A good comparison to this is a person who is truly rich and powerful. The richest and most powerful people in this world are people you hardly ever hear about. Families like the Rothschilds and the Sassoons. That's because the people who actually monopolize everything know that it's better if they remain hidden. It's a classic Sun Tzu Art of War tactic and a Law of Power.

If you want to get laid on easy mode in college than join a popular fraternity. I had a new sorority chick every weekend when i was in one. I couldnt deal with all their crazy politics after a while though and left.

But yeah....if you want proof that status trumps looks join a frat and just watch all the fat ugly upper class men with the best looking sorority girls because of their perceived status. It used blow my mind back then. I was just a freshman and lower status on the frat totem pole but still got free ***** served up on a platter.

Division 1 athletes dont need to look that great. I gurantee you most are slaying like crazy. They basically have their own set of groupies ffs. Especially at big southern SEC schools where football is king.

 

[B80]

The vast, vast majority of men aren’t jealous of ‘Chad’ success with women. Most seem awed or congratulatory. Don’t underestimate the Halo Effect. It is real. Most GL men are liked not just by women, but by men too. Unless you’re poaching on a guy’s girl, being a GL guy won’t get much negativity. Unless you’re an A-hole.

And it’s not ‘Chads’ keeping things on the qt or not. Men know which men do well with women. Women make it plain whom they are attracted to and shower attention on those men. And men know if men are GL or not.

I'm not sure, some men can be resentful and envious of goo looking/successful men even if they aren't complete arse holes.

There is certainly theory to back up good looking people get more of a pass with things, but some men are jealous towards those they perceive as being more more successful.

 

[BadBoy89]

Women are not "sex driven" in the way that men are.

"Sex" means something totally different for men and women. The experience of "sex" is totally different for men and women too.

So when you write that women are sex-driven it's meaningless because women don't see "sex" the way men see it.

The biggest issue i'm seeing with you guys on this forum, who clearly struggle with women, is that you are trying to understand women with your male brain.

It's like a rabbit trying to understand why a shark likes swimming in the sea. And then the rabbit offers the shark a carrot and says "we both like eating, yeah?" after observing the shark eat a fish - this is how I see the modern man interacting with women.

Pan, why are you so against short term transactional sex?

If I saw a hot young 20 something and she wanted some cash or jewelry for sex, I’d throw it out in 2 seconds. Most men aren’t Chads that can understand the complexities of the female Mind or the inner workings of game. They just want to have sex with a hot young girl.

Now if it’s long term or marriage, then I agree, transactional sex is out. But if it’s short term and the girl is young + hot, I would throw cash so fast to f her. I think everyone would.

 

[DonJuanjr]

They can't have sex for free because women are turned off by guys who don't "get it".

How would you define "get it"?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Red Pillers and Black Pillers dvck worship Chad/Tyrone more than females

 

[zinc4]

RedPill understanding of women - what they truly are, what motivates them, what turns them on/attracts them etc.

I'd also like to add - i know women who are in sugar baby relationships at the moment. It's interesting getting a woman's view on what it feels like to be paid for sex. Almost across the board I've noticed that women hate attaching a price to sex/intimacy. They want their sex and intimacy to be "priceless". So they automatically look down on guys who try to transact for something that women view as "priceless" - they can't comprehend why a man would want to pay for sex. Women find it funny (because they can get sex so easily) that there are Men out there that actually pay for sex - female solipsism can't comprehend male thirst.

Pro tip: don't concern yourself with what women think.

 

[Poonstra]

Understanding how women think helps you get better outcomes with them.

Do you have any pointers to acquiring this knowledge? How did you get there? I would agree that lack of insight into their workings is one of my biggest hurdles.

 

[bat soup]

What about "Fresh Prince CEO"? He claims to have a lay count of 1500.

 

[zinc4]

Understanding how women think and "concerning yourself" with what women think are 2 different things.

Understanding how women think helps you get better outcomes with them.

I wasted over a decade figuring this out, but women are very simple actually. They only chase their latest emotions/tingles and operate strictly according to that and/or by rules that their female peers and society have laid out for them.

They don't even know why they think the way they do because it's all so emotionally driven each day with them.

It is more productive building yourself up improving yourself as a man physically, financially and morally as opposed to concerning yourself with how women think. Most of them don't actually think. They just follow/copy.

Women know a high SMV guy when they see one though and then they naturally get wet and feel emotions when dealing with one. Women are simply a bonus for these kind of men. But they got what women want and they know it. They usually have a life mission though way more important than any single woman.

The term be yourself is actually good advice. The problem is it means to be your best self and most men are nothing close to that.

Especially when dealing with a very attractive women. They put on the nice guy or overly jerk/pua act. They overly concern themselves what the woman is thinking about and how to please her to get rewarded with sex. They get needy or insecure. They don't lead. They also don't work on themselves as a man neither physically nor financially.

For example, you can be an uber driver for the rest of your life and make a passable living have a 6 pack and know how to game women's emotions to a T. But does that actually make you are a high SMV man? No because you neglected the financial aspect of your life chose and just to just be content chasing your basic carnal desires forever.

Same thing applies in reverse to the wealthy man who ballooned up in weight and is overly needy clingy or toxic and has to resort to pure gold diggers using his money to compensate.

I say all of this because as a guy who has been in every role you can imagine....the final conclusion is just like that other famous saying everyone has heard everywhere....if you build it they will come. If you build yourself into a high value man that is more powerful than anything else that you can possibly concern yourself with.

So that is my advice to any younger guy reading this. Don't concern yourself with the nature of women. They will either find you attractive or they wont. Just keep building yourself up and go after/approach women whenever you have free time. Don't let your ego be phased by their rejections and most importantly never ever let women become your main priority in life.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I wasted over a decade figuring this out, but women are very simple actually. They only chase their latest emotions/tingles and operate strictly according to that and/or by rules that their female peers and society have laid out for them.

They don't even know why they think the way they do because it's all so emotionally driven each day with them.

It is more productive building yourself up improving yourself as a man physically, financially and morally as opposed to concerning yourself with how women think. Most of them don't actually think. They just follow/copy.

Women know a high SMV guy when they see one though and then they naturally get wet and feel emotions when dealing with one. Women are simply a bonus for these kind of men. But they got what women want and they know it. They usually have a life mission though way more important than any single woman.

The term be yourself is actually good advice. The problem is it means to be your best self and most men are nothing close to that.

Especially when dealing with a very attractive women. They put on the nice guy or overly jerk/pua act. They overly concern themselves what the woman is thinking about and how to please her to get rewarded with sex. They get needy or insecure. They don't lead. They also don't work on themselves as a man neither physically nor financially.

For example, you can be an uber driver for the rest of your life and make a passable living have a 6 pack and know how to game women's emotions to a T. But does that actually make you are a high SMV man? No because you neglected the financial aspect of your life chose and just to just be content chasing your basic carnal desires forever.

Same thing applies in reverse to the wealthy man who ballooned up in weight and is overly needy clingy or toxic and has to resort to pure gold diggers using his money to compensate.

I say all of this because as a guy who has been in every role you can imagine....the final conclusion is just like that other famous saying everyone has heard everywhere....if you build it they will come. If you build yourself into a high value man that is more powerful than anything else that you can possibly concern yourself with.

So that is my advice to any younger guy reading this. Don't concern yourself with the nature of women. They will either find you attractive or they wont. Just keep building yourself up and go after/approach women whenever you have free time. Don't let your ego be phased by their rejections and most importantly never ever let women become your main priority in life.

yeah but a woman can easily destroy everything you have built. This advice is Disney fantasy disguised as masculine advice lol.