The Most Painful Words a Woman Can Tell You

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one word: prositutes. theres really no shame in it, it allowes you to separate yourself emotionally form the dating sdene. being rejected and trampled on all the time sucks - instead, just forget the idea of relationships, focus on making money and enjoying hobbies, and find a quality escort 2x/month. especially if your in canada, you can get good ones for 150cdn/hr, and its legal!.

in real life im abrupt, solitary, and to-the-point, this whole dating scene frustrates me. i rarely smile or tell jokes, im kind of like DeNiro in Heat or a poor man's Schwarzenneger in Predator. playing games, sending mixed signals, subtlety, following steps is completely absurd to me. u dont even know for certain if sex will occur, so many men spend countless hours and a sizable amount of money pursuing a woman and end up with nothing but heartache.

plus, its funny to walk the streets and think to yourself 'i wonder how much she costs'. women quickly lose their power over you, they become commodities on the open market.
 

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oh ya and if you want a wife, go to whichever 3rd world country has the type of females you are most attracted to. i can easily get a serbian wife, though i find them too emotional and talkative. i like latin women with huge asses who cook and clean and dont need to socialize much, so ill go to portugal or mexico or something, brazil would be ideal though they are notorious partiers.

the big risk is marrying them and then having them interact with american women and suddely feel empowered enough to divorce you and take all your stuff.
 

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Strip Club Inspector said:
There is no need to turn into a woman-hater or a resentful bitter person. But the negative feelings in you are corrosive to your game and to your character. They become self-fulfilling prophecies. They can make you the unattractive, desperate, angry, bitter, resentful, and negative person that is rightly rejected even by quality women.
Lot of truth to this. I fired off at a hot little chick at a friend's house one night who had done nothing to piss me off. I just looked at her and saw every HB who had ever made me feel like ****. And I took it all out on this poor girl.

I destroyed a potential prospect without even trying just because I was too bitter.
 

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Then she says to you: "However, I have to be honest. Or: "I did not feel the same way that you did." Then, they often take it to the next step by telling you that they "hope you could share those same feelings again with another woman" or that "you deserve to be with someone who feels like you do; I hope you find her."
I read on this site awhile back a list of about 10 or so things women thought all guys should know. I think this belongs on our list of things they should know.

If you truly care about the feelings of a guy and do not want to hurt him, "DO NOT patronize him by saying you hope he finds what he's looking for in another woman. A simple, 'I'm sorry. I don't feel the same,' will suffice."

Most of us would actually rather a girl tell us she hates our guts than have her try to spare us by offering us hope elsewhere. While it makes sense to the girl that she's just trying to offer optimism to somebody who she genuinely sees as good but is not interested in, it comes across instead as condescending.
 

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6-heads lewis said:
one word: prositutes. theres really no shame in it, it allowes you to separate yourself emotionally form the dating sdene. being rejected and trampled on all the time sucks - instead, just forget the idea of relationships, focus on making money and enjoying hobbies, and find a quality escort 2x/month. especially if your in canada, you can get good ones for 150cdn/hr, and its legal!.

in real life im abrupt, solitary, and to-the-point, this whole dating scene frustrates me. i rarely smile or tell jokes, im kind of like DeNiro in Heat or a poor man's Schwarzenneger in Predator. playing games, sending mixed signals, subtlety, following steps is completely absurd to me. u dont even know for certain if sex will occur, so many men spend countless hours and a sizable amount of money pursuing a woman and end up with nothing but heartache.

plus, its funny to walk the streets and think to yourself 'i wonder how much she costs'. women quickly lose their power over you, they become commodities on the open market.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
 

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6-heads lewis said:
oh ya and if you want a wife, go to whichever 3rd world country has the type of females you are most attracted to. i can easily get a serbian wife, though i find them too emotional and talkative. i like latin women with huge asses who cook and clean and dont need to socialize much, so ill go to portugal or mexico or something, brazil would be ideal though they are notorious partiers.

the big risk is marrying them and then having them interact with american women and suddely feel empowered enough to divorce you and take all your stuff.
Latin women are AMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZING. And many of them age very well. Check this girl out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t4OC5YCMds

She is 36 with 2 KIDS in their teens!!!!!!! JUST AMAZING
 

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my god that womans tits are terrific. its a shame my youtube is always so choppy and unwatchable, there are a lot of boner-raising videos on there, there must be like 1000 videos of hot black girls shaking their asses to that sir-mix-a-lot song.
 

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DJF isn't entirely correct. A lot of - I would say most - girls want relationships. Friendship is NOT over. We thrive on social interaction. Girls don't ONLY want to get laid. That's a load of crap.

It seems your problem lies in making known to them that you want a relationship, which kills desire. I think this is what DJF is trying to tell you. People only desire things of value. And expensive things don't come without a price. Stop wanting the relationship. How many friends do you have? You create desire in others by appealing to their interests and egos, not to their sense of obligation.

Also, it is true, you will never be anything more than a friend if you don't get a little hot and horny for them.
 

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rakishness, that woman’s body is SICK, the other videos in the same category are hilarious like “Jackie Showing Her Milk Bubbles” and “Jackie Oldies But Goodies”

Im Dave Chapelle, and I love internet porn

too many guys are discrediting the amazing market of women avalaible overseas. i know a sleezy fat guy who went to his native Portugal and found a HOT woman, married her with lavish promises (after all, aren’t North American streets paved with gold?), and now she WORKS FOR HIM in his cleaning business! imagine having your fantasy women give you bjs at night ALSO mop floors and change garbages for you during the day!

you let her sleep in your house, feed her 3x/day and take care of her documentation (the less english she knows the better), and you get a lifetime of hot sex.

im not saying you should be exploitative and cruel, most of the guys who need to look into this are good-hearted, sincere guys who have a lot of love to give a woman but are just tired of being lonely. these women will appreciate the opportunity, and not hesitate to reward you in the sack.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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6-heads lewis said:
rakishness, that woman’s body is SICK, the other videos in the same category are hilarious like “Jackie Showing Her Milk Bubbles” and “Jackie Oldies But Goodies”

Im Dave Chapelle, and I love internet porn

too many guys are discrediting the amazing market of women avalaible overseas. i know a sleezy fat guy who went to his native Portugal and found a HOT woman, married her with lavish promises (after all, aren’t North American streets paved with gold?), and now she WORKS FOR HIM in his cleaning business! imagine having your fantasy women give you *******s at night ALSO mop floors and change garbages for you during the day!

you let her sleep in your house, feed her 3x/day and take care of her documentation (the less english she knows the better), and you get a lifetime of hot sex.

im not saying you should be exploitative and cruel, most of the guys who need to look into this are good-hearted, sincere guys who have a lot of love to give a woman but are just tired of being lonely. these women will appreciate the opportunity, and not hesitate to reward you in the sack.
North American women are VERY SPOILED. And many are soo arrogant. You go into a bar in a america even the ugly girls pretend there sh!t doesn't stink. One time I was at a bar and I wanted to ask this fat girl something...but the bar was so loud she didn't hear me. So...I guess she thought I was hitting on her..and her friend pulled her away. HAHAHAHA. I almost spit my beer on somebody from all my LAUGHTER. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Does this girl actually think she is hot? LOL. too funny
 

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I feel where you're coming from Frank, i've been there...

Keep rolling, one day you'll see the flaw in your way of thinking right now, the way that's hurting you right now.

You expect to much from your dates. That's the bottom line. Human beings in general have issues, all kinds of issues. Some issues will make them act nasty or insensitive, it happens, nothing you can do to help it. It's really just a matter of how people treat you. Do they make you laugh? Do you have fun with them? Great, then that's a good interaction, a good date. It doesn't have to be anything more than it is.

If you happen to come across a real cold hearted tease and manipulator, feel perfectly free to tell em how you feel about that. It's called being assertive. No shame in telling the truth. Then again don't expect them to care at all, and don't talk if you don't know wtf you're talking about.

You'll always have the ability to get 'hurt', when you don't, it's time to start worrying basically. The real question is how do you deal with that? You could sit in a corner and feel sorry for yourself, you could lash out against other people, or you could just roll with it... sh1t happens, not just to me either.
 

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So let me get this right, you’re complaining because a woman tells you that she doesn’t feel the same way as you after some dating? You totally have the wrong mindset, and I’m not even talking from a PUA perspective. Dating is discovering whether that person is compatible enough to satisfy something more – and guess what? Everyone is different. Everybody wants slightly different things from life and as a result it usually takes time before you find something which fits you as an individual. If you want an analogous situation, think of trying on an item of clothing before you buy it or test driving a car. Aesthetically it’s attractive, but you need to learn more to find out if it’s well-suited to you, and you’ll test drive a few cars or try on a few similar items of clothing to determine the most suitable. Now, think about which you have to be more diligent about? If you’re that meticulous about buying a $40 shirt or a $10,000 car then think of how thorough you have to be when you’re deciding on someone you’re effectively going to be spending the rest of your life with. Ultimately, too many guys don’t realise that dating is, for lack of a better word, an experiment.

I really do hate it when guys blame women for their troubles, and let’s not pigeonhole American women here either, because women are fundamentally the same, the world over. I mean, look at the list of countries that something like Sex and the City is exported to! Guys often talk about the doting Asian wife who is so obedient, but behind closed doors it’s a different matter. She is actually the one deciding what flies in the household. Now, life is about taking responsibility for all that affects you rather than trying to dump the blame on someone or something else. Live your life in a way that satisfies your goals and desires and in turn develop more and more reasons every week which would make somebody a fool not to want to spend time with you. Folks on this site often talk about being ‘the prize’ but you need to have a bunch of reasons why you’re the prize first. Chicks are perceptive beings and nobody wants a sh!tty old Betamax video simply because it purports to be a new HD-DVD player because, well… it’s not.

What would I prescribe for your situation? Put chicks on the backburner and spend some time developing those reasons why chicks, or anybody for that matter, would be foolish to not want to get to know you. Some of the things on this forum are simply about trying to be a PUA, but I cannot really think of any reason why you would want to be a PUA who is basing his habits and conventions on another individual. Sure, there’s some useful reading on these forums when you look at the DJ Bible and avoid the daily tripe that is posted by an alarmingly high number of aspiring DJs, because it opens your eyes to how the mind of a chick works. What’s most important however is being empowered to the extent where you can get the things that you want in life (chicks included), tackle any problems along the way, and successfully overcome obstacles.
 

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Reading between the lines I get this.

'Hi, I'm really bitter and resentful towards women and 'smug couples.' Just seeing happy people holding hands burns me up. Yet It must be women's fault that the ones I choose do not see what a sweet, nice man I am, so I have come to view all women as shallow, cold-hearted bytches. I have read enough of this site to realise that my understanding of women might be deeply flawed, and success with women is actually related to creating attraction, to teasing and qualifying, to avoiding pedestalizing and embracing sexual state, all things I cannot do and fear learning. So maybe I'd be more comfortable leaving this site and the truth it contains so I can go back to my comfortable 'one-day-my-perfect-princess-will-show-up' fantasy world, occasionally projecting my needs onto the next attractive woman I develop oneitis over and being rejected for my inherent neediness.'
 

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Frank2500 said:
As I reflect on my past experiences, I'm just amazed at how insensitive, heartless and cut-throat many American women can be when it comes to dating.... It is when things start to get sour with a woman you really had feelings for and had been out on perhaps a few dates (even if just one or two) and who knows exactly how you feel about her because you've expressed this through words and also by action. Then she says to you: "However, I have to be honest. Or: "I did not feel the same way that you did." Then, they often take it to the next step by telling you that they "hope you could share those same feelings again with another woman" or that "you deserve to be with someone who feels like you do; I hope you find her."
Frank, this is not heartless and insensitive. This is an honest woman and you should be damn glad she told you that she wasn't into you. Would you rather a woman who didn't care about you let you take her out, buy her dinner and gifts only to learn that she NEVER liked you and only went out with you for the money?

Just because YOU really like a woman does not mean she will like you. If some ugly, fat girl came up to you and said she liked you, would you start a relationship with her because SHE liked you? Of course not. The chemestry MUST be the same on both sides. If it isn't, then you have to stop dating that person. Why would you date some one you don't like?

I agree that you should NOT get discouraged, and don't give your heart so easily to women you've only dated a few times. Give your self a chance to get to know her. Is she a good person, is she kind, is she generous, does she respect you? If she meets your standards, then open your heart.
 

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Damn, and I thought the most painful words were going to be "I'm HIV Positive"
The most painful for me were a few days after I slept with a girl in college, she comes up to me "Hey, you know, you should get yourself tested, just in case." She just walked, wouldn't take my calls, or IMs, anyway, Those words left me very very paranoid for a while...
 

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oohhhhhhhhhhhh frank.....
if you have to learn something in this site then let it be the following,

Dating is not a serious matter of life or death

Dating is only a fun matter of svcking or fvcking.


check out this music video and it will teach you a lot.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CuWJJ3BG8kg

girls just wanna have fun
 

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librito said:
oohhhhhhhhhhhh frank.....
if you have to learn something in this site then let it be the following,

Dating is not a serious matter of life or death

Dating is only a fun matter of svcking or fvcking.


check out this music video and it will teach you a lot.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CuWJJ3BG8kg

girls just wanna have fun
someone wrote a quote for that song

"Christ, do people still buy this? Anyway, shouldn't the lyrics be "girls just wanna be boys?""

:nervous: thats surprisingly accurate
 
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Just had a thought.

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It seems your problem lies in making known to them that you want a relationship, which kills desire.
How is expressing an SOI = killing desire.

Here we come with an outcome bias, I think maybe it just has to do with luck more than game here. When things to bad we wonder if it's the game, but then, suppose it's just chance? If you were lucky, then you would ascribe it to good game or performance?

I think this is outcome bias - and think it's just ill-fated with one or two particular girls that did not like this guy and nothing he could have done or said would have made any difference.

The Flip-Side to a 'painful LJBF' is this - who here honestly wants to be strung along by a girl and wants to find out after they have spent lots of time and money that she's sleeping with other guys while you are hoping to kiss her on the next date. THAT, my friend is painful.

If a girl LJBFs you on the first date after you just meet her and says that's how she feels - then that's a good thing. You can use your mental energy and time to look for other women as you know you have concluded this one. When a woman leaves it up in the air and strings you along when you find out later from someone that she is sleeping around or already has a boyfriend/relationship with someone, while you think you are scoring points by spending time with her - then, my friend that's painful.

I've got some nasty experiences like the above last year - and think a painful but frank and forthright statement like that on a first date or even second date is much more civil than stringing someone on and finding out the hard way.
 

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Re: Here's What Happened With the Two Women in Question

I appreciate your respective comments. One of the two women who said those words to me is 35 years old. Again, I blame myself for the fact that I assumed she would be the kind who would be less superficial and possibly more willing to pursue a longterm kind of relationship due to her age. I was wrong, and found out the hard way that she was one of the most superficial and shallow of most women I have encountered. When we split, and I was candid with her that I felt used by her and that she had hurt my feelings, she told me that she wasn't sure what she wanted when we first met, and that our timing back then was off. It was after that that she then told me the "in retrospect, you are right, I didn't feel the same way that you did and you deserve to be with someone who does and blah, blah, blah." Basically, it was a bad deal from the start and I should have been smarter, because this story has a strange aspect to it. This woman is actually a best friend of one of my older brother's ex-girlfriends. I had met her at my gym just like anyone would take a chance and talk to a woman, and didn't find that out until after our second phone conversation.


Again, I have learned a lot from my mistakes with this woman. Due to the numerous negative experiences I've had with other women, I immediately developed oneitis with her and thought she was going to be different. But the signs of lack of interest were clear. Most of the time, I would call her and her cell will ring, but she would never pick up. I gave her the sense that I was desperate by sending her text messages for example, to check on her, and then telling her in advance in those text messages, when I will call her. And then when I called, she often didn't pick up. She often returned my calls the next day. When she finally brought her boyfriend to the gym and began to display such a huge ego and power trip upon noticing that I was there, I thought she had put the final nail on the wall and decided to switch my work out days, not necessarily because I care about what she does, but I just don't like anything that could cause me to lose focus or bring back negative memories into my mind when I;m working out.


The second woman was a year older than me (29) and I met her at my gym also, last summer. Again, considering most of the overwhelmingly negative experiences I have had with women in this country, when I talked to her and she gave me her email address and I wrote to her and we set up a date, I thought things were going good. I thought it was one of my most memorable dates because it was the very first time any woman, after buying her drinks, had offered that we go to a nearby restaurant and eat, then she ordered food and drink for both of us and we ate. But she was very cautious with me. I took her dancing and while she danced, she didn't even let me touch her. Honestly, I was disappointed. I thought I'd give her the benefit of the doubt that perhaps she was generally cautious with men, because she had mentioned during the date that her parents are divorced and when it happened, she rebelled very hard. She also told me about an experience in which a guy beat her up really badly during a robbery.


But I got very frustrated and disappointed when she erected all these barriers upon me during our date, not letting me have any contact with her while she danced, etc. She had caught a cab to meet me and we hung out for just about two and a half hours and then she said she had to work the next morning. She asked me if it was easy to catch a cab from where we were, but I thought I'd give her a ride at her home, where she lived with three, female roommates. I tried to see if we could get together again, but she was leaving town for good in two days and said the only way we could both see each other again would be on the day before she left, if I came to the gym. She gave me a slight kiss on my lip when I dropped her off and that was it.


Again, that's a lesson I have learned the hard way. I tend to give myself too much to any woman who shows me the least bit of attention or gives me the impression that she's being receptive toward me in the initial stages. Instead of letting this woman go quietly and begin her new life in a different city, I contacted her a while after she left by email, still reliving what I perceived to be the wonderful memories of that one date and letting her know that I missed her. I think I had emailed her about twice and she did respond briefly. But then, recently, feeling quite lonely and somewhat frustrated about being single once again on the 11th year of Valentine's Day, I made a silly mistake and wrote her an email wishing her a Happy Valentine's Day. That's when she responded on February 13 informing me that although she felt flattered by my compliments, she had to be honest in the sense that she didn't feel the same way, and said she wanted me to know that she was now seeing someone and that she hoped I could share those same feelings again with another woman. Looking back, I never should have contacted this woman again after she left in the first place. As is natural human tendency, I sent her a last email expressing myself along the lines of what I wrote in my introductory paragraphs on this topic. I told her that she shouldn't even bother trying to respond because if I get anything from her in my inbox, I will delete it immediately.


Anyway, I have learned from my mistakes and one thing that I have also learned is that people often aren't what they seem to be. Overall, I think these experiences, as unique, though negative and unfortunate as they have been, have helped make me a stronger person, a stronger man. And for these reasons, I think it makes sense for me to hope that there will be brighter days ahead. Now, before anyone decides to hammer me for the mistakes that I certainly have acknowledged above, I would like to kindly plead that before doing so, consider the fact that I have recognized my errors. None of us is perfect and I think going through such experiences helps make all of us better people.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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