the mainstream is starting to get it

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game

(Ok, the Weekly Standard isn't completely mainstream, but it means we're getting closer.)

Welcome to the New Paleolithic, where tens of thousands of years of human mating practices have swirled into oblivion like shampoo down the shower drain and Cro-Magnons once again drag women by the hair into their caves—-and the women love every minute of it. Louts who might as well be clad in bearskins and wielding spears trample over every nicety developed over millennia to mark out a ritual of courtship as a prelude to sex. It helps, of course, that there’s currently a buyer’s market in women who are up for just about anything with the right kind of cad...

...delayed marriage (the average age for a woman’s first wedding is now 26, compared with 20 in 1960, according to the University of Virginia-based National Marriage Project’s latest report); reliable contraception; and advances in antibiotics (no more worries about what used to be called venereal disease). No-fault divorce, moreover, has pushed the marriage-dissolution rate up to between 40 and 50 percent and swelled the single-female population with “cougars” in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and beyond. On top of it all is the feminist-driven academic and journalistic culture celebrating that yesterday’s “loose” women are today’s “liberated” women, able to proudly “explore their sexuality” without “getting punished for their lust,” as the feminist writer Naomi Wolf put it in the Guardian in December.

All this takes place to a basso profundo of feminist cheerleading

While it’s a truism that the main beneficiaries of the sexual revolution are men, it is only some men: the Tucker Maxes, with the good looks, self-confidence, and swagger that enable them to sidle up successfully to a gaggle of well turned-out females in a crowded and anonymous club.

Out of such [an environment] was born the “seduction community,” part band of brothers, part nakedly commercial and ferociously competitive business enterprise.

Evolutionary psychology also provides support for a truth universally denied: Women crave dominant men. And it seems that where men are forbidden to dominate in a socially beneficial way—as husbands and fathers, for example—women will seek out assertive, self-confident men whose displays of power aren’t so socially beneficial. This game of sexual Whack-a-Mole is played regularly these days in a culture that, starting with children’s schoolbooks and moving up through films and television, targets as oppressors and mocks as bumblers the entire male sex. Not surprisingly...many women satisfy their yearning for dominance by throwing themselves at bad boys or even worse.

The percentage of children growing up in fatherless families—a chief risk factor for social pathologies—has risen concomitantly: from 9 percent of all households with children in 1960 to 26 percent today. On the plus side of the ledger, these negative trends don’t affect the college-educated as severely. College-educated women have significantly higher rates of marriage and lower rates of divorce than women without college degrees. The bad news is that such women, who tend to marry late, have far fewer children. In 2004, according to the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey, 24 percent of women ages 40 to 44 with bachelor’s degrees were childless, in contrast to 10 percent of women without a high school diploma. Marriage is slowly becoming a preserve of the elite, who pay a price in severely reduced fertility.

[Blogger] Roissy often writes of a coming “apocalypse,” a thorough collapse of civilization thanks to the stalling of its reproductive matrix.

In The Mating Mind, Geoffrey Miller wrote:
Our ancestors probably had their first sexual experiences soon after reaching sexual maturity. They would pass through a sequence of relationships of varying durations over the course of a lifetime. Some relationships might have lasted no more than a few days. .  .  . Many Pleistocene mothers probably had boyfriends. But each woman’s boyfriend may not have been the father of any of her offspring. .  .  . Males may have given some food to females and their offspring, and may have defended them from other men, but .  .  . anthropologists now view much of this behavior more as courtship effort than paternal investment.

That’s a pretty fair description of mating life today in the urban underclass and the meth-lab culture of rural America. Take away the offspring, blocked by the Pill and ready abortion, and it’s also a pretty fair description of today’s prolonged singles scene. In other words, we have met the Stone Age, and it is us.

Some argue, though, that it is actually beta men who are the greatest victims of the current mating chaos: the ones who work hard, act nice, and find themselves searching in vain for potential wives and girlfriends among the hordes of young women besotted by alphas.

During this process, monogamy as a stable and civilization-maintaining social institution is shattered. “Monogamy is a form of sexual optimization,” [Author Roger] Devlin told me. “It allows as many people who want to get married to do so. Under monogamy, 90 percent of men find a mate at least once in their life.” This isn’t necessarily so anymore in today’s chaotic combination of polygamy for lucky alphas, hypergamy in varying degrees for females depending on their sex appeal, and, at least in theory, large numbers of betas left without mates at all—just as it is in baboon packs. The aim of Mystery-style game is to give those betas better odds.
 

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Some argue, though, that it is actually beta men who are the greatest victims of the current mating chaos: the ones who work hard, act nice, and find themselves searching in vain for potential wives and girlfriends among the hordes of young women besotted by alphas.
lol.

Not bad.
 

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It is very dangerous to characterize hard work as "beta".

I would like to avoid the conclusion to that train of idiocy, "Jobs are for pvssies!"
 

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I don't think that hard work is uniquely associated with being beta. The author included this here in an effort to characterize being beta as the baseline norm in contrast to the perfidious alphas. I liked the article in the respect that it sheds light on the gender landscape today, but she entirely misses the point that it's men clinging to this antiquated 'white knight' beta mindset reinforced by feminization who are in the overwhelming majority today, not alphas.
 

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I actually worry about what will happen if all guys start to realise that being a nice guy doesn't get you laid, then try to be assh0les instead. I really don't like the idea of 'game' becoming mainstream at all, mostly because I don't want more competition lol.
 

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katatonia said:
I actually worry about what will happen if all guys start to realise that being a nice guy doesn't get you laid, then try to be assh0les instead. I really don't like the idea of 'game' becoming mainstream at all, mostly because I don't want more competition lol.
won't happen, this is far too fringe for most of the populous that stick to their status quo like glue. Where you will start seeing changes are the up and coming generations that 'learn from our mistakes', as they are the ones who seem more mailable to change.

Competition will always exist, and there will be dudes who can pull and dudes who are still a joke. They key will be the same, and that is to differentiate yourself/ win when the situation warrants. The elements which make you successful won't really change much in my mind.
 

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I think the real 'secret' that Tucker has is that he simply GOES AFTER WHAT HE WANTS without thought.

He just goes for it. It's not even necessarily smooth and suave, it's just bare knuckles aggression. She happens to find him attractive, the moods right and Bam! There you have it. :yes:

Sure, you can add some charisma and humor here and there.

Not really that tough.
 

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There is a guy I see out who has always had that wimpery nice guy air about him. The last time I saw him, he was going out of his way to insult the people around him and saying "Yeah, I'm a jerk! I'm an a$$hole!" like a schoolgirl.

It was almost painful to watch.
 

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radiodude said:
I think the real 'secret' that Tucker has is that he simply GOES AFTER WHAT HE WANTS without thought.

He just goes for it. It's not even necessarily smooth and suave, it's just bare knuckles aggression. She happens to find him attractive, the moods right and Bam! There you have it. :yes:

Sure, you can add some charisma and humor here and there.

Not really that tough.
reps. It really is that simple.

It usually happens like this:

guy wants sex, but then his mind is immediately filled with irrational fears of what might happen if he actually asks for it. then he is conflicted, and he comes across as incongruent, which is a turn off for anybody, even dogs can sense fear.

If guys would learn to ask for sex with as much congruence and positive expectation (and complete lack of social fear and anxiety) as asking for the time, they'd get laid like rock stars.

Of course, for most of us mortals, this can be the hardest thing for a guy to do.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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If guys would learn to ask for sex with as much congruence and positive expectation (and complete lack of social fear and anxiety) as asking for the time, they'd get laid like rock stars.
If that's all it came down to, then the Apocalypse Opener should be all any man needs. But what decent woman would respond positively to that?

Sure you have to be somewhat aggressive, but at the same time not seem needy and at the same time be subtle. Only wh0res respond well to sexual brutes. If ho's are your thing then fine. If you want a woman with some class, you have to be a bit more subtle.
 

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Err, I'm not doubting that Tucker has game, but you gotta take a look at his background first.

He comes from a wealthy family and went to a top Ivy law school. You put any boy in that sort of background and he will easily develop ****y arsehole game. There was a story on him nailing Miss Vermont (I think) and she was hooked the moment he introduced himself as such (talking about his background). From then on it was just him toying with her.

Eventually he also has this minor celebrity status that he could use.

Your average joe using Tucker's game will fail big time, because he hasn't got Tucker's values.
 

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I totally agree Jitterbug. His game isn't really great game per se and would not work for most guys in general. The girl Tucker Max picked up came out to the bar with the goal in mind of sleeping with him because of his fame/infamy. Her friends told her he was there and told her to "bring him back".
 

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Great article and just shows the bullsht double standards women operate under these days.
They want to be sluts but they don't want to be treated like sluts. Sorry girls, you can't have one without the other.
What gets me is that she blogged about sleeping with Tucker Max, he responded and then all the feminists come out of the woodwork calling him the biggest arsehole on earth.
He just took what was offered to him on a platter and then gets criticised for it. I'm still in disbelief.
And agreed, if average joes tried Tucker's game, they would have to get used to masturbation very quickly.
 

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speakeasy said:
If that's all it came down to, then the Apocalypse Opener should be all any man needs. But what decent woman would respond positively to that?

Sure you have to be somewhat aggressive, but at the same time not seem needy and at the same time be subtle. Only wh0res respond well to sexual brutes. If ho's are your thing then fine. If you want a woman with some class, you have to be a bit more subtle.
Perhaps you misunderstood, or I wasn't clear. By "ask for sex," I don't mean blatantly walking to some random girl with your johnson hanging out.

Ask for sex = interact with her with the intention of bedding her, and close when appropriate, and within the context of the situation.

but whatever.
 

Channel your excited feelings into positive thoughts and behaviors. You will attract women by being enthusiastic, radiating energy, and becoming someone who is fun to be around.

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I've been trying to pound this home for a few years now but to no avail.


this is a little complicated and while i understand this in my head, getting on paper is hard.


1. you have classes of women.

As most know I'm a horse racing fan. The avg guy here has no idea who street cry is. If i knocked on your door and said man here.. you can HAVE street cry.. you would look at me, look at street cry, and probably call the police on me, or at best slam the door.

This does not mean anything is wrong with street cry (street cry BTW is the hottest sire in the world and worth about 50ish million dollars if not more.. you, your kids, and your kids kids could retire if I gave you street cry). It just means that the person who I presented street cry to, did not have enough information or the capacity to appreciate all of what street cry has to offer.

guys, sometimes it really isn't you. sometimes that just be yourself motto does have some place. There was a girl before i met my Fiancee that said I dressed too preppy. Okay. There is nothing wrong wtih the way I dress. The guy who changes the way he dresses (if he knows he can dress that is before hand) for a woman is a chump.

even if you did change the way you dressed she wouldn't respect you. you changed the way you dress to get laid. that's pathetic.

The first question you should ask yourself is not what did I do wrong, but, is she even right. I"m not one for blaming women for everything, alot of times you do need to look in the mirror, but some women out there, honestly, aren't good enough for you.

When I was in AA, I sponsers a good looking guy that was a .net programmer with about a year clean, who was battling it out with a guy 7 years older than him that worked at ihop for a girl and had less than a month clean. This is the perfect place for this principle. There was nothing wrong with the guy, at least.. compared to the guy he was going against for the girl he wanted.

The girl was not good enough to fully appropriate what the guy brought to the table. He wasn't overly nice, he wasn't following her like a puppy or buying flowers... she just wanted what she wanted.


2. The law of women is like the law of anything else worth while... anything you actively chase, you want more and the more you ant it the more it will elude you.




I'm not saying don't' pay women any attention, but the avg man has no ambitions outside of wanting to fvck hot women and drink beer.

the simplest rule of DJing and my game just automatically feel into place once I realize this, is that when you strive to be the honest, best person you can be, in all areas of life, and don't put women first, you will instinctively know how to deal with women becuase they aren't that important to you.. Most men want a woman so bad they are afraid of making mistakes. It really is just that simple.

it's not alpha or beta. women don't...a woman worth a damn, does not want nor respect a man's life ambition is to always be around her. a woman wants a man that has a life outside her and not just to attract her.

all the posts here are in relation to how to ge women.. man what kinda music you listen to "to get laid". man how would you dress "to get laid".. man what kinda musical instruments can I play that "can get me laid"


guys who do that I feel bad for simply becuase they have no clue on the life they are missing out on.


you have men, who have not made their way in the world whatsoever some still living with their parents, worried about the girl they are dating and not their future.]


When you start to accomplish things in life, and your entire worth while isn't pent upon rather women like you or not, you start to feel better about you, regardless of if other people feel that way or not, and then women become more attracted to you.

This is the key to women.. To get your life in order. Order is the most important word in that sentence. Yet it will fall on deaf ears because guys want to get laid NOW with as little effort as possible.


3. Create yourself. When a woman walks in my house and sees all my horse racing memorabilia, all my books and my jazz collection, and the way I dress.. if anything they will not be able to say that I am like anyone else. the uniqueness of myself alone kept women interested. How she can instinctively look at my house and see within minutes that I have interests.. lots of them..and that she is not and will not be a priority.

I'm not saying go out and buy jazz and throw on a chalk stripe suit with a fedora.. that's me. that's my personality. But that TRULY is my personality. I'm not fake.
 

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That #1 of yours, bb, is to find your style and market yourself to the niche of women who dig it.

Changing your style on a whim to cater for whichever random woman crossing your path is an exercise in stupidity.

Btw on that note, minus the horsy stuff (I'm interested in horses in history & wars, not racing), that's how I roll too.
 

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Law 23
Concentrate Your Forces
Conserve your forces and energies by keeping them concentrated at their strongest point. You gain more by finding a rich mine and mining it deeper, than by flitting from one shallow mine to another – intensity defeats extensity every time. When looking for sources of power to elevate you, find the one key patron, the fat cow who will give you milk for a long time to come.
 

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Jitterbug said:
That #1 of yours, bb, is to find your style and market yourself to the niche of women who dig it.

Changing your style on a whim to cater for whichever random woman crossing your path is an exercise in stupidity.

Btw on that note, minus the horsy stuff (I'm interested in horses in history & wars, not racing), that's how I roll too.
I love history as well in particular I'm fascinated about presidents.. although I could care less about politics. Presidents are fascinating people.

We get this idea that presidents were born and bred.. but usually they are the unlikely of people. Hell Harrison never intended a day of school in his life and Aurthur was fired from his job like a year before he was voted president.

Imagine getting fired from work and in less than a year being POTUS
 

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most guys are trying to qualify themselves to any given women. when they get laid it is seen as "success," or "getting past her b shield" or whatever. When they talk to a woman and don't "get the number" they wonder what they did "wrong"

Men who are successful, qualify women. When they meet a woman their intention is to see if the woman in question matches his set of requirements. One of the requirements is that she is not only interested in, but also has the capability to recognize his qualities, both unique and general.

Most women don't.

Most women, just like most men, are playing with scared money, from a place of scarcity, and are happy to get whatever they can get.

In order to rise above that level, you need to be successful in other areas of life. A successful man naturally wants to spend time with a woman, but not just any woman. A qualified woman.

If you want to spend time with a qualified woman, you must be a qualified man. And the only person who has the right to qualify you, is you. And that means achieving, or be well on the way to achieving, your own goals that you've set for yourself, that satisfy two criteria:

1) They exploit your own unique talents and skills
2) They make you wealthy

Now, you don't have to be wealthy to consider yourself a qualified man, you only have to believe with all your heart and mind that you are on the right path. Once you've got this belief firmly planted in your mind, qualifying women, instead of the other way around, will not only be a piece of cake, but it will sometimes even seem to be burdensome, as you will always feel like you've got bigger fish to fry, and a woman better be qualified if she's going to be receiving any of your time or resources.
 

Never try to read a woman's mind. It is a scary place. Ignore her confusing signals and mixed messages. Assume she is interested in you and act accordingly.

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