The linear nature of male attraction

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Been thinking about this lately when we talk about how women so quickly and easily lose interest in a relationship.

One of the most painful things that I have ever had to come to terms with was the way a woman is more likely to put you in a guillotine and cut off your head than she is to want to kiss you and hold you when she ends a relationship.

I have had three long term relationships that have basically ended this way. There were differences in the circumstances behind each breakup, one of them i even initiated, but the end result was the same......I was left standing in a pile of charred ashes while it always seemed as if the woman had managed to hitch a ride on a golden chariot that was headed for a far better place. I would be left there amidst the ruins, trying my best to dust myself off and tend to my wounds, and it always seemed as if the person i had just spent YEARS of my life with could have given two sh!ts less if I were alive the next day.

So I started thinking about how attraction works differently between men and women.

My first observation is that when a woman tends to lose interest in a relationship for whatever reason, there is a tendency for her to lose all feeling for her former partner as soon as she has secured another source of intimacy. Hence, the man is left in the smoldering ashes while the woman rides away in her golden coach.

Now I can't speak for everyone, but I know that personally as a guy, even when I lose interest in a relationship, even when I am the one to break it off, even AFTER I am with someone else, I still care for that person, and will never forget the good times we had and the things I learned from that person.

All of this happens at the end of a relationship, of course, so lets take a look at what happens in the beginning.

For a man, it usually starts with "Wow, that chick has a nice ass". Then he pays attention to the way she carries herself and her personality. Once he has ascertained that the woman has the "whole package", his attraction begins to grow at a steady rate.

For a woman, she generally notices the way a man CARRIES himself at the same time she is assessing him physically. If he meets her minimum criteira in the looks department and she is at least neutral as far as the way he carries himself, he's got his foot in the door. From that point a woman is paying VERY close attention to indicators that the man is a suitable mate. She's usually skeptical, and it takes her some time to warm up to the idea of a relationship as she marks off her checklist in her mind as she observes a man's behavior.

So it's often the case that a man will tend to build attraction to a woman FASTER than a woman builds attraction to a man. If he plays his cards right he can quickly amp up HER attraction in him, to where they are both riding the crest of the wave.

This is all dependent upon lots of factors of course, and the situation is often reversed where the woman falls head over heels IMMEDIATELY, and it takes the man awhile to warm up to the idea of a relationship.

But the thing is, the beginning isn't nearly as important as what happens in the middle.

At some point in a long term relationship both man and woman will likely hit a sweet spot where both parties have very high interest, and the attraction is through the roof.

What is interesting though is what happens as one or both parties begin to lose attraction and interest. Lots of times a guy will suppress his gut feeling that is telling him to end the relationship out of fear that he won't be able to find another woman. So he continues, trudging along, his interest level flatlining just high enough to keep things from falling over the edge.

A woman on the other hand, as soon as her interest drops below a certain level she will start to actively SEEK another partner. She can't handle a flatlining interest level for a long period of time. She must ensure that should something happen with her current relationship, that she isn't going to have to take a fall.

This is where we get the term "branch swinging". A woman must secure a source of intimacy from a new man before she lets go of the old.

I firmly believe that most women MUST have a man or men to fixate their attention and attraction toward at any given time, or they are MISERABLE. If there are no prospects in the pipeline, many women have a hard time holding themselves together.

So if their interest level in their current relationship falls below, say, 75%, they go on the hunt. They are on a mission to fill the gap between a mediocre spark and a full on wildfire. If they are able to secure an new source if intimacy they might find it tough to break off their current relationship, in which case we have a sudden change in behavior. She's coming home to YOU, but something isn't right.....

Then the sh!t hits the fan. One day you make a seemingly benign comment and it sets her off. "I'm LEAVING!" And then she's gone. You call her up a week later to come and get her things from your place, and instead of feeling any sort of compassionate vibe, all you feel is ICE. It's as if she was able to reach inside herself and flip a switch, shutting you and everything you shared out of her life for good. Interest level and attraction....ZERO.

The whole point of this post though is the position the MAN is left in. He has no "switch". And it doesn't even really matter HOW the breakup came about, who initiated it, whose fault it was, blah, blah. He still CARES. And he wants HER to care, even if they both know it will never work. His interest level rarely falls to zero. He cares long after she is gone. No matter how high the peak of the relationship was, he never "crashes" in the same way a woman does. As cheesy as it sounds, he always holds a piece of her.

So if we could put this on a line graph imagine what it would look like. Even if your experiences have been different than mine, I'm sure a lot of you can relate to how the woman's line can drop like a stone, whereas the man's tends to remain much more steady.

Thoughts?
 

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Yep. But what are you gonna DO???


That's how it IS.


I remember one time when my exW was leaving----> we were standing in her folk's driveway. It was horrible: she was off to the other guy. She says," Can I have a hug goodbye?" Guess what I did?

You are SO right about how men and women end things. Even though it went down SO badly, I STILL "loved" her.

And I got sucked in for a few go-rounds later. For a couple of years. If she called tonight, I'd probably go over and f*ck her. I HATE what she did to us and our family, but I probably will never get over her, like she has me.

We, as men, have to understand that they, as women, are DIFFERENT. They CAN "flip the switch," and move on easier then we can. And even use US UP, if they want to.


It's LIFE. It's OK.
 

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I disagree with your basis of most chicks branch swinging. I don't really see many chicks doing that. Seems like something I see young (as in high school) chicks doing. :rolleyes:

Break ups = miserable, period. Not because she doesn't have anyone to "branch swing" to.
 

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The whole point of this post though is the position the MAN is left in. He has no "switch". And it doesn't even really matter HOW the breakup came about, who initiated it, whose fault it was, blah, blah. He still CARES. And he wants HER to care, even if they both know it will never work. His interest level rarely falls to zero. He cares long after she is gone. No matter how high the peak of the relationship was, he never "crashes" in the same way a woman does. As cheesy as it sounds, he always holds a piece of her.

So if we could put this on a line graph imagine what it would look like. Even if your experiences have been different than mine, I'm sure a lot of you can relate to how the woman's line can drop like a stone, whereas the man's tends to remain much more steady.
What you are saying is that a man APPRECIATES more. As you write this, I initiated a thread Plate Spinning vs Appreciation.

Women are NATURAL PLATE SPINNERS. If not by action, then by attention. The fact is what you have abundance of, you lose appreciation for. Women are rarely scarce, therefore they NATURALLY don't appreciate as much as we do.

The fact will always remain, women will always have more AVAILABLE OPTIONS till a certain age. With more AVAILABLE OPTIONS comes less APPRECIATION.
 

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iqqi said:
I disagree with your basis of most chicks branch swinging. I don't really see many chicks doing that. Seems like something I see young (as in high school) chicks doing. :rolleyes:

Break ups = miserable, period. Not because she doesn't have anyone to "branch swing" to.

Iqqi, I just don't GET you.

Sometimes, you seem so reasonable, but mostly, you just seem to WANT to argue.

If you don't see" branch swinging" as a common, or even PREDOMINATE behavior, well, then you oughta look around yourself more.

Jeez.
 

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I know what your are talking about STR8UP and the first few times it happens, you are standing there in utter shock that the girl who was whispering lovely notes in your ear about how much she cares about you, can out of the blue 5 days later walk away all happy on the arms of another man like nothing happen.

Now if it happens these days I barley blink because this situation has harden me. I always protect the heart, making sure that I won't have oneitis and fall for a particular girl quickly. I can't explain this behaviour of how a women's interest can fall from showing great care/interest and then just like that you end up being as meaningless as a piece of gum stuck at the bottom of a shoe. The only thing that seems apparent and that you can compare to in this world, is that it is a behaviour similar to what a SMALL CHILD DOES. Childrens do not have the abilities to internalise deep feelings of care towards others around them, if you bore them, they will just go and play with whomever makes them happy without even thinking about it.
 

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aliasguy said:
Iqqi, I just don't GET you.

Sometimes, you seem so reasonable, but mostly, you just seem to WANT to argue.

If you don't see" branch swinging" as a common, or even PREDOMINATE behavior, well, then you oughta look around yourself more.

Jeez.

She could start by looking in the mirror at the branch swinging monkey smiling back at her. :whistle:
 

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the only reason women are able to walk away so cold heartedly is two fold...

1) they see themselves as a victim and actually blame you for whatever has destroyed the relationship (they aren't honest enough with themselves to say 'sorry, frank is a doctor and ill have a better life with him so im dumping you')

2) they spend months mentally archiving every single little thing you do that could in any way be considered rude, insensitive, mean, etc. they build this list up so that they can at some point say to themselves 'this is crazy, why am i with someone that treats me like this.' (they do this to support the first point i made above).

women are cruel when they leave because they have spent months creating a delusional image of you in their mind, making you out to be an insensitive jerk who has actually taken advantage of them and has wasted THEIR time (months, years, whatever).

its pure delusion, but they believe it. the REALITY is they dump their man because someone that they think is better has shown interest in them. but to admit to themselves that they approach the world with this 'gold digging' mentality is unlady-like, so they will actually convince themselves and honestly believe that they are leaving because of you.

as for a man's capacity to cope with a woman leaving and how they do so... all i can tell you is that there are much worse things in life than a woman leaving. a family member or friend dying is much more painful than having p*ssy walk out the door.

but the worse mistake a man can make is to place his happiness in the hands of a woman. to NEED her. or even to NEED to be her protector. guys often underestimate how powerful it is when someone needs you. it gives your life a 'purpose' that often is otherwise missing.

women experience the same thing when it comes to their kids. take a child away from a mother and she falls apart. in some senses, i think taking a child from its mother is similar to taking a woman from a man - both exhibit the effects on the protector and the impacts of having that which is protected removed.

this is why women are able to move on from a man more easily than the man - because she was not protecting him. its actually harder for the protector to let that which he was protecting simply walk away. its as though that which defined his greatest worth (ie. being a protector) is now gone - and he is left wondering what value he has.

to understand the female mentality, think of working for an employer. you may give years of yoru life to that employer, but when a better job comes along you move on. its not necessarily easy, but its not devestating. because you feel no obligation to protect the company - you just accept its time to move on.

women see men in this way. but men don't see women this way. men become accustom to the role of protector - feel as though finally they have value, that they are the KING protecting his queen. but when the queen leaves he goes back to being a peasant and it hurts.

im a strong proponent of the zen philosophy. you cannot control the world around you. you are not any one thing. you may act as a protector, but it is not WHO you are. you may act as a bf, husband, father, but you are not solely any of these things.

at all times, you are merely a human being, making his way through this experience called life.

make the best of it. do not worry of the worst, becuase even if it comes you will survive it. do not wish for the best, for it will come in its own time. simply do your best to be the best person you can be at all times.

if you do this then even if you must walk this earth alone, you will do so in contentment.

and know as well, that male or female, anyone who does not live by this philosophy will suffer. so while a woman man branch swing, check back with her in five years and you will see she is just as miserable, if not more so, than the day she left you.
 

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Yup it's true, I am currently going through a break up with my first serious relationship, and man she could be really distant and cold, whereas I told her I'll always love her (which is true since she's the first girl I've truly loved). These forums really help and that's what I am using to get through. You're so right, I guess the solution is to go through the motions, but I sure wish I could do the switch thing. I really appreciate all the posts on the DJ forums.
 

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aliasguy said:
Iqqi, I just don't GET you.

Sometimes, you seem so reasonable, but mostly, you just seem to WANT to argue.

If you don't see" branch swinging" as a common, or even PREDOMINATE behavior, well, then you oughta look around yourself more.

Jeez.
Guess what.

I am taking into consideration what I see around me.

I DO see this phenomenon sometimes, in mostly younger girls and in some men. I'm not saying it doesn't exist.

I don't see it all the time, like you guys seem to keep saying.
 

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dcastillus said:
Yup it's true, I am currently going through a break up with my first serious relationship, and man she could be really distant and cold, whereas I told her I'll always love her (which is true since she's the first girl I've truly loved). These forums really help and that's what I am using to get through. You're so right, I guess the solution is to go through the motions, but I sure wish I could do the switch thing. I really appreciate all the posts on the DJ forums.

i do not believe that women 'switch'.

i believe that they build up a case against you for months before hand. then they 'pull the trigger'. which is different than simply switching.

plus there are tons of women who 'switch', but go to bed crying their eyes out for weeks (but they won't tell you about it).

additionally, men actually have more of a capacity to 'switch' than women. we actually have the capacity to analyze the situation rationally. to deal with things objectively - to work through our hurt.

whether its losing a woman, a family member, a job, etc. - you have a choice to embrace reality and accept what has happened and re-set your sites on the task building a positive life, or you can wallow in misery.

to be honest, if my entire life were to be nothing more than wallowing in misery i think i'd probably hang myself.

thankfully though i've come to realize that much of life's misery is merely how we react to events - and we have more options in how we react than most of us realize.
 

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Joekerr----

What's the difference? Whether they "build up a case" or whatever?

When they "switch," they "switch." It's a sudden, inexplicable (from the guy side) event. Who cares if they "cry" over it. It's THEIR MOVE.

And I've seen it in MY life and in my FRIENDS lives.


It's NOT right or wrong, but it IS REAL. It's WHAT women do!!!


I AGREE with you that we must ACCEPT REALITY and NOT "wallow in misery"!!!!!


But we MUST accept also that women ARE AS THEY ARE.

And they DO this sh*t.
 
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Hahaha, you think you are dealing with women? You are dealing with masculine hors - think men with a vagina - why do you expect nurturing from a man with a vagina!!!
 

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Can someone put a fricken bell on him or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-BcRv1LXw
Dr. Evil said:
Mini Me, if anthing should happen to you I don't know what I would do.
[pauses]
I'd probably move on, and get another replica but.. there'd be a 10 minute period there where I would just be.. inconsolable.
While you're out marketing yourself to the world, she's out there marketing herself to potential providers.

While you're trying to build a kingdom, she's looking for a king.

While you wonder why she's so aggressively inclined to move up the social food chain, she wonders why you care so much about your career over finding an LTR.

Women play the mating game with far more intensity than men do because they are on the clock to realize their sexual potential, and they instinctively know this. It's easy for us to lose sight of that since the same rules of aging don't apply to us. Moving on quickly is an emotional mechanism women adopt sooner typically, as they're more driven from the outset to learn the game.

Learning to move on right away is a trait of emotional maturity, in all facets of one's life.
 

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aliasguy said:
Joekerr----

What's the difference? Whether they "build up a case" or whatever?

When they "switch," they "switch."

well call me crazy, but i'm very adept/intuitive at noticing when a woman begins to build her list. i see it coming a mile away.

where she use to go out of her way not to argue, she now facilitates arguments. where everything she says use to be nothing about how amazing i was, now nagging slowly creeps into the relationship. where she use to hug me the moment she sees me, now she doesn't. etc.

your average woman will show her hand LONG before she plays it.

those women whose behaviors do not change at all right up until the moment they pull the trigger are very rare. such women also are often borderline sociopaths and that should have been fairly obvious from the get go as well.

i honestly believe the only reason men get blindsided is because when the signs start to appear they don't see them - even though they are fairly obvious to any objective observer.

LTRs don't go from fantastic to sh*t in one day. they just don't.
 

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joekerr31 said:
additionally, men actually have more of a capacity to 'switch' than women. we actually have the capacity to analyze the situation rationally. to deal with things objectively - to work through our hurt.
I know where you are going with this, but it doesn't work that way.

Men can "love" women in a much more traditional sense than a woman can "love" a man. A woman is in love with the feelings a man gives her, whereas a man is invested in the woman as a person. Men are expendable to women.

You got it right, it isn't flipping a switch, it's pulling the trigger, but the effect is the same.....a complete loss of emotional feeling toward a person who "deserves" more respect than that.

The way I see it, women aren't RATIONAL, but they are masters at RATIONALIZING. It's ALWAYS the guy's fault, doesn't matter if she was screwing every guy in her office while the hubby was sitting at home taking care of the kids.

This "trigger pull" is a coping mechanism. If women did not possess this they would be stuck HAVING to see things rationally, which would not jive with their M.O.
 

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redpill, kudos on your post.

im 33, never been married, no kids. ive focused on my career. im only now wondering if i need to pay more attention to the 'settling down' process.

whereas most women have been focused on that game since they were 14. :)

while i dream of being a successful VP, a millionaire author, and a variety of other things, they are dreaming of the day when an 8 pound human pushes itself out their 1 inch vagina.
 

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RedPill said:
While you're out marketing yourself to the world, she's out there marketing herself to potential providers.

While you're trying to build a kingdom, she's looking for a king.
Didn't know if I would ever see the day when LMS's wise observation would be replaced in my sig, but today looks to be the day.....
 

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i believe that they build up a case against you for months before hand.
When they finally decide they want out, they "emotionally divorce" from the relationship but their physical exit typically comes later, it usually involves some planning ("when the kids finish high school", "when I get the new job", "when I have a new branch"). In the interim, all they're getting from the relationship is affirmation that they're making the right choice as their resentment and anger grows ands snuffs out any lingering doubt. That's why they can burn bridges so seemingly easily and not care about the pain they cause, because they no longer care.

The guy is typically taken by surprise because he saw her stopping the nagging/arguing as her being okay with everything, not even aware that she's withdrawn from the relationship for some time, let alone has been planning her exit. But now she's further down along the "emotionally divorced" road and he's not on that road, which is why it feels like a surprise kidney punch to him. That's why you hear guys say, "Things were fine. I mean, what relationship doesn't have it's ups and downs? Then from out of nowhere she decided to leave me".
 
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