I don't recall how I found SoSuave, specifically, what I do know is, such things are a significant portion of your journey, through seduction, women, and more importantly life.
When I began dating, it just 'happened.' In HS, I pretty much did what all guys do, what I wanted. There was never a concern for image, never a thought to clothing; I wasn't conscious or anxious about the 'outside' world, or metrosexuality. I just did me things, things that made me happy. And like most youths, I maintained 'baby fat' until 16 or so. At that point, I decided being a 'baby' wasn't for me, so I took to weight-lifting.
It only took a few months for results to be dramatic, and that was when 'buying signals' started cropping up. In fact, my first 2 gf's approached me, both athletes, once they saw the 'new me.' I never used C&F, I didn't concern myself with Kino, nor do I worry about knocking her off her pedastal. I just did me things. And it worked. Sure, when we broke, I didn't have the maturity to handle it well, and I whined over it, but in time, like all things, scars heal.
I moved onto college and found girls I genuninely liked and watched for their buying signals. Because I was genuinely interested in the time I would soon spend with them, my own CHARISMA came off quite naturally. The chemical reaction was pretty much a given, and relationship would last awhile, even amidst college times. All the while, I focused on me. And when I least expected it, life would toss me someone great to date or to hookup with or to formulate a LTR with.
It was my senior year of college that sent me on 'QUEST' to score hotter chicks than I had before, and rather than continue on the path I had, I diverged. I bought EVERY seduction book out there, just shy of seminars. The more I bought, the more egotistical I became. "I know have more books, more knowledge, more theory, therefore I KNOW MORE!" HAHA!
I'd next girls when the timing was wrong, I'd be demanding, almost self-righteous, and yet, my friends ALL HAD girls, even the guys who were known hookup artists had settled down at 21, 22 into a more serious relationship. They were able to focus better as a result. Weekend weren't consumed with pleasing their 'little' head. Instead, they made plans with friends, or girlfriends, or even made extravagant plans to go away. I, on the other hand, was taking business trips stag. Sure, I'd meet a cute gal here and there, but only *I* would truly remember the joy. Retelling the story never seemd as fun with no one else there.
As time passed, I happened upon SoSuave and various other sites commanding attention and theorizing "NEW HOOK UP STRATEGIES." During several summers, I'd go with different guys to the clubs REGULARLY. From Boston to Manchester. My cell phone over flowed with numbers; I needed a secretary at one point to catalog the numbers and sort of the women.
It seems things have a way of falling into place.
I'd worked hard and garnered the social results I personally wanted. And in the midst of it, I met some cool guys on here, too (Jvesti being one of them). Others, I've chatted on AOL IM with. The insights are unique and quite enjoyable.
Yet, as I dug more, I realized less and less, like most of those who mature, that all that junk is worthless. At one point, dating, and women, and even seduction used to be such a great trip, so feeling-based. Now, it's cold, analytical, and almost TOO emotional, because each phrase, each article of clothing, each spray of cologne, and date are analyzed to see that the optimal results are maximized.
At my young age of 24 I can tell you the dance has become Unfun. Not by my own doing, but from the perspective of how analytical everybody is. Even when I was a beginner, I never knew what AFC meant, and I still had fun no matter how naive I was. I took pleasure in just learning, in meeting a new girl. I didn't care if she'd flake, or scoff for giving it out. All that matter was each moment of life was enjoyed. And with some women it came so natural, with others it didn't. I've come to learn the "system" of life does not afford clear, cold, calculating answers as many of you want.
In fact, when you boil it down, NONE of us know one another (save me knowing Jvesti and a few others) so I cannot count the validity of what you speak. Perhaps you're a complete novice, geek, too meak to tackle the world only speaking theory, and perhaps others are studly super-seducers speaking the truth; all-in-all, I just don't know. And that is alarming for many because, your perceptions of life and on dating maybe totally warped.
The more you visit the boards, or the net for that matter, the more you shape perceptions. I can't tell what you guys believe or feel of these results, and does it really matter? Does it matter that some chick gave you a glimpse in school, but yet you did nothing about it? How can you tell if it was effective? If you spit some serious lines at her, and she laughs because it was C&F, was it effective? Did you get the date? Do you feel MORE ALIVE? Did you get the lay?
It seems like an odd coincidence to say "we're not supplicating or being AFC" and yet, many of us, myself included have nearly 300+ posts on women. On critiquing, on pickups, etc. Wouldn't that be AFC to be so obsessed as to post or read about it daily? Wouldn't that be pandering to the opposite sex?
Guys never did this because guys had the power of CHOICE. When did we let that go? When did we begin accepting slutty women who'd been with multiple guys? I know girls who have fvcked over 20 guys...do you want her as your wife, as the mother to your children, sharing you eternal bed? There's some seriously flawed in a person that must get gratification from that many people. What value do you get from it after that many times?
In a book titled "The Taboo: On Knowing Yourself," Alan Watts talks about how a system is not in fact separate pieces combined together. What this means, in terms of the body is that, if you remove the brain, is it still valuable? No. Unless it has a body, it has no value. Sure, you could transplant it, but it must be transplanted into another body. Follow me?
Likewise, the current dating/relationship environment is similar to that analogy; it's a host of factors resulting in what we have:
*MTV, Reality shows, and Spring break allow women complete freedom to break loose.
*Birth control pills decrease the liklihood of pregnancy.
*Feminism has given power to beliefs that women are equal to men [misleading, it's only equal rights, not equal essence].
*Access to jobs.
*Societal beliefs.
One factor isn't to blame, but as you can see a total environment has in some way, put us men into almost a supplicating position where WE accept less FEMININE, more loose women, near the standard. Sure, she gets her fill of fvck friends now, but when it comes time to settle, she picks a guy less whorish.
Which brings me back around to where I started...many of you don't need any of this. It was only when your conscious awareness was sparked you came to BELIEVE you did. You heard guys talking, perhaps elaborating, and figured THEY MUST know something you don't. And then off down the Rabbit Hole you go...
"True freedom and confidence is not experienced through the addition, but through the subtraction of needs."
I got that out of a book I read. The book wasn't on confidence either, it was on spirtual awareness, about enjoying life more, and seeking the good things. See, when you UNencumber the spirit, the soul, the essence, you really become confident, because you're not shaken by anything. Guys here are still rattled about the 1st date, about the 1st kiss, even about their own confidence that all they do is study it RATHER THAN DO IT.
I'm realizing that this whole thing on women is less about women, and more about life. If you don't have the ballz to get what you want in life, then women will fall far down that list, too. Generally the meak AFC will all lack respect for, is also the guy whipped around by life, by his employer, and his family. It's not totally his fault, it's only his BELIEFS of himself and of society. He see's this whole societal thing AS REAL. It's a joke. One big joke. Isn't it?
I mean look around? We're here for what, a fraction of a second of the world's existence, and we worry about the dumbest shyt. Don't we? Money. Cars. Fame. Fortune. Women. Buying signals. IOI's. FWB'S. It's like a big game, and some spiritual body is seeing who wins and loses based on how stressed we become.
Without love, nothing else matters. With love, nothing else matters.
Many people are persuing MATERIAL/EXTERNAL possessions to make up for internal desires. They want love, comfort, security, so they seek gains in income, in cars, in looks, in clothes, food, drugs, tvs, yet they seek the long route to their goal. Aren't these all addictions or obsessions? The obsession of pleasure? The obsession of shopping too much?
You guys here, need less romance training, less seduction input, less everything, and then you will find you. Many are TRYING so badly to convert disinterest into interest and getting frustrated at the same time. JUST STOP. If you really like the girl, go for her, if not move on. The hardest reality I accepted was that it's almost gross to want to fvck every girl I see. If sex wasn't so obvious, I dare think guys would act that way. One study on MTV concluded they showed over 3,000 images and said the word sex over 2,000 times in 1 month. Talk about programming. And you're deluded if you don't think it's happened.
ACT.
By GOD, Gentlemen, ACT.
In life, all that matters is acting, moving, and doing. Leave the thinking to women.
A-Unit
When I began dating, it just 'happened.' In HS, I pretty much did what all guys do, what I wanted. There was never a concern for image, never a thought to clothing; I wasn't conscious or anxious about the 'outside' world, or metrosexuality. I just did me things, things that made me happy. And like most youths, I maintained 'baby fat' until 16 or so. At that point, I decided being a 'baby' wasn't for me, so I took to weight-lifting.
It only took a few months for results to be dramatic, and that was when 'buying signals' started cropping up. In fact, my first 2 gf's approached me, both athletes, once they saw the 'new me.' I never used C&F, I didn't concern myself with Kino, nor do I worry about knocking her off her pedastal. I just did me things. And it worked. Sure, when we broke, I didn't have the maturity to handle it well, and I whined over it, but in time, like all things, scars heal.
I moved onto college and found girls I genuninely liked and watched for their buying signals. Because I was genuinely interested in the time I would soon spend with them, my own CHARISMA came off quite naturally. The chemical reaction was pretty much a given, and relationship would last awhile, even amidst college times. All the while, I focused on me. And when I least expected it, life would toss me someone great to date or to hookup with or to formulate a LTR with.
It was my senior year of college that sent me on 'QUEST' to score hotter chicks than I had before, and rather than continue on the path I had, I diverged. I bought EVERY seduction book out there, just shy of seminars. The more I bought, the more egotistical I became. "I know have more books, more knowledge, more theory, therefore I KNOW MORE!" HAHA!
I'd next girls when the timing was wrong, I'd be demanding, almost self-righteous, and yet, my friends ALL HAD girls, even the guys who were known hookup artists had settled down at 21, 22 into a more serious relationship. They were able to focus better as a result. Weekend weren't consumed with pleasing their 'little' head. Instead, they made plans with friends, or girlfriends, or even made extravagant plans to go away. I, on the other hand, was taking business trips stag. Sure, I'd meet a cute gal here and there, but only *I* would truly remember the joy. Retelling the story never seemd as fun with no one else there.
As time passed, I happened upon SoSuave and various other sites commanding attention and theorizing "NEW HOOK UP STRATEGIES." During several summers, I'd go with different guys to the clubs REGULARLY. From Boston to Manchester. My cell phone over flowed with numbers; I needed a secretary at one point to catalog the numbers and sort of the women.
It seems things have a way of falling into place.
I'd worked hard and garnered the social results I personally wanted. And in the midst of it, I met some cool guys on here, too (Jvesti being one of them). Others, I've chatted on AOL IM with. The insights are unique and quite enjoyable.
Yet, as I dug more, I realized less and less, like most of those who mature, that all that junk is worthless. At one point, dating, and women, and even seduction used to be such a great trip, so feeling-based. Now, it's cold, analytical, and almost TOO emotional, because each phrase, each article of clothing, each spray of cologne, and date are analyzed to see that the optimal results are maximized.
At my young age of 24 I can tell you the dance has become Unfun. Not by my own doing, but from the perspective of how analytical everybody is. Even when I was a beginner, I never knew what AFC meant, and I still had fun no matter how naive I was. I took pleasure in just learning, in meeting a new girl. I didn't care if she'd flake, or scoff for giving it out. All that matter was each moment of life was enjoyed. And with some women it came so natural, with others it didn't. I've come to learn the "system" of life does not afford clear, cold, calculating answers as many of you want.
In fact, when you boil it down, NONE of us know one another (save me knowing Jvesti and a few others) so I cannot count the validity of what you speak. Perhaps you're a complete novice, geek, too meak to tackle the world only speaking theory, and perhaps others are studly super-seducers speaking the truth; all-in-all, I just don't know. And that is alarming for many because, your perceptions of life and on dating maybe totally warped.
The more you visit the boards, or the net for that matter, the more you shape perceptions. I can't tell what you guys believe or feel of these results, and does it really matter? Does it matter that some chick gave you a glimpse in school, but yet you did nothing about it? How can you tell if it was effective? If you spit some serious lines at her, and she laughs because it was C&F, was it effective? Did you get the date? Do you feel MORE ALIVE? Did you get the lay?
It seems like an odd coincidence to say "we're not supplicating or being AFC" and yet, many of us, myself included have nearly 300+ posts on women. On critiquing, on pickups, etc. Wouldn't that be AFC to be so obsessed as to post or read about it daily? Wouldn't that be pandering to the opposite sex?
Guys never did this because guys had the power of CHOICE. When did we let that go? When did we begin accepting slutty women who'd been with multiple guys? I know girls who have fvcked over 20 guys...do you want her as your wife, as the mother to your children, sharing you eternal bed? There's some seriously flawed in a person that must get gratification from that many people. What value do you get from it after that many times?
In a book titled "The Taboo: On Knowing Yourself," Alan Watts talks about how a system is not in fact separate pieces combined together. What this means, in terms of the body is that, if you remove the brain, is it still valuable? No. Unless it has a body, it has no value. Sure, you could transplant it, but it must be transplanted into another body. Follow me?
Likewise, the current dating/relationship environment is similar to that analogy; it's a host of factors resulting in what we have:
*MTV, Reality shows, and Spring break allow women complete freedom to break loose.
*Birth control pills decrease the liklihood of pregnancy.
*Feminism has given power to beliefs that women are equal to men [misleading, it's only equal rights, not equal essence].
*Access to jobs.
*Societal beliefs.
One factor isn't to blame, but as you can see a total environment has in some way, put us men into almost a supplicating position where WE accept less FEMININE, more loose women, near the standard. Sure, she gets her fill of fvck friends now, but when it comes time to settle, she picks a guy less whorish.
Which brings me back around to where I started...many of you don't need any of this. It was only when your conscious awareness was sparked you came to BELIEVE you did. You heard guys talking, perhaps elaborating, and figured THEY MUST know something you don't. And then off down the Rabbit Hole you go...
"True freedom and confidence is not experienced through the addition, but through the subtraction of needs."
I got that out of a book I read. The book wasn't on confidence either, it was on spirtual awareness, about enjoying life more, and seeking the good things. See, when you UNencumber the spirit, the soul, the essence, you really become confident, because you're not shaken by anything. Guys here are still rattled about the 1st date, about the 1st kiss, even about their own confidence that all they do is study it RATHER THAN DO IT.
I'm realizing that this whole thing on women is less about women, and more about life. If you don't have the ballz to get what you want in life, then women will fall far down that list, too. Generally the meak AFC will all lack respect for, is also the guy whipped around by life, by his employer, and his family. It's not totally his fault, it's only his BELIEFS of himself and of society. He see's this whole societal thing AS REAL. It's a joke. One big joke. Isn't it?
I mean look around? We're here for what, a fraction of a second of the world's existence, and we worry about the dumbest shyt. Don't we? Money. Cars. Fame. Fortune. Women. Buying signals. IOI's. FWB'S. It's like a big game, and some spiritual body is seeing who wins and loses based on how stressed we become.
Without love, nothing else matters. With love, nothing else matters.
Many people are persuing MATERIAL/EXTERNAL possessions to make up for internal desires. They want love, comfort, security, so they seek gains in income, in cars, in looks, in clothes, food, drugs, tvs, yet they seek the long route to their goal. Aren't these all addictions or obsessions? The obsession of pleasure? The obsession of shopping too much?
You guys here, need less romance training, less seduction input, less everything, and then you will find you. Many are TRYING so badly to convert disinterest into interest and getting frustrated at the same time. JUST STOP. If you really like the girl, go for her, if not move on. The hardest reality I accepted was that it's almost gross to want to fvck every girl I see. If sex wasn't so obvious, I dare think guys would act that way. One study on MTV concluded they showed over 3,000 images and said the word sex over 2,000 times in 1 month. Talk about programming. And you're deluded if you don't think it's happened.
ACT.
By GOD, Gentlemen, ACT.
In life, all that matters is acting, moving, and doing. Leave the thinking to women.
A-Unit
