The idea of having sex within 2 or 3 date is simply stupid when you are....

[BraddH]

I agree with Nismo on this one, we push for sex so we can gauge how into us they are and whether or not we are wasting our time. OP let me ask you this, so you're willing to put in a month's, maybe more than a month's worth of time during the courting process all because you think she is a "quality" woman? I for one would not do this, because A. I shouldn't have to devote that much time to figure a girl out and B. because I sure as hell ain't putting in that kind of time to find out that she's not going to give it up. We're not against relationships on this forum but like someone pointed out, we're trying to be the guy that she WANTS to sleep with after a few dates or whatever.

Do you notice how you are consciously doing it? In the end you will do all sort of shvts to make her want to fvck you the most. It is subtle, more indirect way but very dangerous. At least do not lie to yourself and accept the fact that she is your number one priority. Otherwise there woulb be no question arising about "making" her want to fvck you the most. If she wasn't your top priority then you would not even be aware of making her want you, through subtle ways. What is the problem with wasting time? Do you lose something? What is your goal anyways? It is to find a quality girl right? Then don't say that you are eating wasting time. Because who knows? If she doesn't let you fvck her in the first or second date doesn't mean that she is not a quality. In fact I can only think Of quality girls who don't let them be fvcked in the first or second date. Certainly if she likes you, she can share her intimacy soon. But if she can fall in love with you that fast, then don't you think she can so that with other people men too? Other much more higher value than you. And if you refuse to love her back, then only a stupid woman would stay with you. Any quality girl will be able to leave you the moment she knows that you don't need her. Any quality woman, hot, will have so many options, so many good looking guys, so many alphas, more and higher value than you in her life. Otherwise she won't be that hot. And you want to be the best guy he ever meets. Do you see how important she is to you? And will she recognize you as the best man and needs ou if you don't dont do the same to her. Have you ever loved anything that doesn't love you back? All the so called Don Juan who does not need their woman. Certainly their woman must be only using him. Because she needs money and status, she is simply using your money and status - she never loves yourself. She never loves you as you are, as human being. She only loves your money and status and remember that they are part of the society - not completely yours. So the so-called don Juan's, their woman simply is using their money and status. That is a real waste of time. You have to find a quality woman who loves you for who you are. With whom you don't need to do any stupid shvt to attract her: money, value, status, ambitions **** like that. Something like that I call a quality woman.

Otherwise make it clear that this forum is only for sex, never relationship and love. It is just to yeah you how to buy chvk with your money and status - just like you buy prostitues. Don't go on lying to the people that this is the way for the women to truly love you as you are. No, remember that this only makes the women love your status and money, in other words just usin you for money and status. You get rewarded with a release of sexual tension - just biology. Can't you see the simple fact that they are reducing you back to animals? Before you came here on this site, you knew how to love the woman unconditionally, without any desire to use er or get anything back. It was not a business back then. You knew how to be the happiest person on earth. Now you are just animals.


To dassein: no don't say that, don't do that to me. You are making me someone special now. And the people of this forum won't ever accept someone ordinary like me as someone special, someone who knows. For them, only the people who are moderators or has been posting tons f post are special. Someone like me can't never be special. They will start hating on me..

 

[Solomon]

Age does not matter. Age does not tell much about ones intelligent. There was one chinese mystic who learned the whole china language at the age of seven. In ten years after that e learned the worlds three most hard languages.

Now whether you know it or not, you are millions and billions of lifetimes old.

And let me guess you are one of those chinesse mystic's right?



Seriously Kid, you're right age doesn't matter but when it comes to women experince does. Just because you made out with a few chicks and played "Hanky Panky" doesn't mean you're experinced

I give you 10 years and you're whole tune will be changing. I use to be just like you "I'm gonna wait till marriage or at least love to have sex" lost my V card to a 22 year old and never heard from her again. You learn real quick

Isn't that why you're on POF eight hours a day.....searching for the one?

Hardcore POF guys stay losing ever since Ninja got banned

 

[dasein]

They will start hating on me..

People will hate on you only if it becomes apparent that your truth is based on unquestioningly accepting one form of social or cultural conditioning over another, as opposed to breaking free of conditioning entirely. Despite such hate seeming harsh, it is simply designed to wake you.

Right now you are operating under the conditioning that quality women are noble and idealistic in their sex lives, they are neither, and no better nor worse than men in that regard, though the gynoworld culture in the west attempts to condition us otherwise today. People are trying to tell you that approaching the sexual reality of humanity as an ideal, particularly the ideal of approach on female, religious, big brain, noble, etc., terms, is the wrong approach. The sexual reality of humanity is men pursuing women sexually and directly within the constraints of the law.

The first question one should ask upon encountering a new woman is "do I want to mate with this?" and if the answer is "yes," then any other approach than making that happen on one's own terms is inauthentic, whether one's terms are to make it happen in a week, a certain number of dates, a month or a year. They are the ones concerned with resources and the future (relationships, marriage, children), don't be like a "woman with a c-ck" when approaching women, be a man with a c-ck and engage the world, including women, as a man does.

It's not a matter of X or Y number of dates, but rather that the approach is on your terms and towards authentic, natural masculine sexual goals.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

It's just simple pragmatism and evaluating real, organic desire in a woman.

From Three Strikes:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/07/three-strikes/

Put it this way, with just average Game, in 3 dates you should be able to determine if her desire level is high enough to want to ƒuck you.

In 3 dates you’ll know if her desire is genuine or if it’s mitigated by something else – another guy in rotation, sexual hangups, filibustering, etc.

In 3 dates you’ll have had sex or you’ll have had the “I wanna wait / I need to be comfortable talk.”

If you have sex on the 1st date or a same-night-lay, in all likelihood she’s really hot for, and into, ƒucking you based on physical criteria alone.

If you have sex on the 2nd or 3rd date, she’s into ƒucking you and probably wants a relationship because she wanted to give you a token impression of her not being ‘easy’.

If she ƒucks you after the 4th date, you’ll do as her first alternate.

If you’re sexless after 5-6 dates you’ve probably been at it for over 6 weeks and The Medium is the Message. NEXT.

 

[BraddH]

It's just simple pragmatism and evaluating real, organic desire in a woman.

From Three Strikes:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/07/three-strikes/

Put it this way, with just average Game, in 3 dates you should be able to determine if her desire level is high enough to want to ƒuck you.

In 3 dates you’ll know if her desire is genuine or if it’s mitigated by something else – another guy in rotation, sexual hangups, filibustering, etc.

In 3 dates you’ll have had sex or you’ll have had the “I wanna wait / I need to be comfortable talk.”

If you have sex on the 1st date or a same-night-lay, in all likelihood she’s really hot for, and into, ƒucking you based on physical criteria alone.

If you have sex on the 2nd or 3rd date, she’s into ƒucking you and probably wants a relationship because she wanted to give you a token impression of her not being ‘easy’.

If she ƒucks you after the 4th date, you’ll do as her first alternate.

If you’re sexless after 5-6 dates you’ve probably been at it for over 6 weeks and The Medium is the Message. NEXT.

Yes I like this. We should always remember that I she wants you more than just fvck, she probably will go with "I am not going to make him think I'm slvt"

 

[Stagger Lee]

About 99% of the times I've had sex with a girl it was on the first date. I've never had sex with a girl that I went out with for more than 2 dates. That's got to say something for how females really operate.

And you can bet your a$$ these women are doing the same thing with other guys. And even if you and/or her wait 3 dates or more before getting sexual, is it really likely that she is the <1% girl who actually always makes guys wait? It seems highly unlikely.

 

[Solomon]

About 99% of the times I've had sex with a girl it was on the first date. I've never had sex with a girl that I went out with for more than 2 dates. That's got to say something for how females really operate.

And you can bet your a$$ these women are doing the same thing with other guys. And even if you and/or her wait 3 dates or more before getting sexual, is it really likely that she is the <1% girl who actually always makes guys wait? It seems highly unlikely.

What we tend to forget tho is that women think that by making us wait they don't appear as "*****s". While this actually makes sense it's also buffer.

For instance a women who was a known ***** was trying to get me to wait. SOmething didn't feel right and after the first date I was able to get the "Real deal" on her from a buddy who use to bang her a decade before. Come to find out the chick was a hoe who was looking for a provider and was using the "wait" thing to screen for potiential suckers.

If a women likes you it will help within 4 dates or less

but that's my experince

 

[Zarky]

Again this is why I say... why wait 2-3 dates? Every woman in my area who is past her early 20s has had sex with a guy on the first date or a straight-up one night stand. At least once and usually multiple times.

Why did she give it to those guys but not to you? I find it utterly insulting, which is why if a chick fails to put out on the first date, she's done. I'm already starting out at a disadvantage, and I don't want to start out at a disadvantage.

 

[BraddH]

I understand you guys. I was Talking about a 16 year old girl virgin.

It is a complete different matter when we are talking about the more experienced ones.

 

[zinc4]

Guys expect to have quality girls and they expect the chick to give head within the first or second date? That is simply stupid. If the chick is really quality and don't wanna share their intimacy just with any stranger, then you next her and say that she is a bad chick? Sometimes I wonder whether this whole forum is a hypocrisy.

Where has all the love and friendship gone to? Is it true that love and friendship is not accepted here? Just biology? Animals? We are human beings for god sake.. Why in the hell would you drag humanity down to animals again.

I just had a virgin offer sex to me on second date....she is as goody goody as they come...theory is full of BS...if they want you bad enough they will do anything regardless of how promiscuous they are...

 

[djgirl]

Its funny how guys expect girls to sleep with them on first dates when you both hardly know each other....

Whenever im on dates with guys and they pressure me into sleeping with them on the first few dates, i instantly NEXT them. A decent girl with values and morals wont just open her legs for you on the first date regardless of how charming you are! Even so the ones that do are either wh0res or low self esteem girls..

Another thing to consider is, theres no blacklash on guys sleeping around, with women its different we have our reputations to consider, alot of them wont make it easy for you and that doesnt mean were "playing games" or there is someone else, but if your really that crazy about getting with her you'll wait and be rewarded.

Also some of the guys on here saying how girls are only useful for sex and nothing else is truly degrading to females

 

[Stagger Lee]

i instantly NEXT them. A decent girl with values and morals wont just open her legs for you on the first date regardless of how charming you are! Even so the ones that do are either wh0res or low self esteem girls..[/B]
Another thing to consider is, theres no blacklash on guys sleeping around, with women its different we have our reputations to consider, alot of them wont make it easy for you and that doesnt mean were "playing games" or there is someone else, but if your really that crazy about getting with her you'll wait and be rewarded.

That's what girls would like guys to believe, but that's not been my experience of what girls actually do. Unless EVERY girl that I ever hooked up with must be a h0re or low self esteem...I kind of doubt that.

 

[zinc4]

Its funny how guys expect girls to sleep with them on first dates when you both hardly know each other....

Whenever im on dates with guys and they pressure me into sleeping with them on the first few dates, i instantly NEXT them. A decent girl with values and morals wont just open her legs for you on the first date regardless of how charming you are! Even so the ones that do are either wh0res or low self esteem girls..

Another thing to consider is, theres no blacklash on guys sleeping around, with women its different we have our reputations to consider, alot of them wont make it easy for you and that doesnt mean were "playing games" or there is someone else, but if your really that crazy about getting with her you'll wait and be rewarded.

Also some of the guys on here saying how girls are only useful for sex and nothing else is truly degrading to females

This translates into i will give head and 69 most guys the first date but will let the more alpha ones bang my brains out because i was drunk or pretended to be drunk.

 

[( . )( . )]

but if your really that crazy about getting with her you'll wait and be rewarded.

Rewards are for dogs and children.

Also some of the guys on here saying how girls are only useful for sex and nothing else is truly degrading to females

Then prove them wrong. Show them good examples of women who still keep a clean house, cook, talk less etc etc. Your on the heavier side, covered in tatts and "bi" aren't you? These are hardly useful to a man (Bi may come in handy only if your bringing someone home hotter than you , which i doubt would happen so it's a moot point)

Instead of whining like a fat feminist at all the meany man talk, why not try thinking about what elevates you from your cvnt so you don't end up "degraded" eh?

 

[djgirl]

hey if you can find a wh0re thats willing to sleep with you first thing, good luck to ya! all im saying is a DECENT girl with morals wont put out that easy especially if all your after is sex from them..

sleeping with someone you barely know is iffy to me, better hope you dont catch random diseases

 

[djgirl]

Rewards are for dogs and children.



Then prove them wrong. Show them good examples of women who still keep a clean house, cook, talk less etc etc. Your on the heavier side, covered in tatts and "bi" aren't you? These are hardly useful to a man (Bi may come in handy only if your bringing someone home hotter than you , which i doubt would happen so it's a moot point)

Instead of whining like a fat feminist at all the meany man talk, why not try thinking about what elevates you from your cvnt so you don't end up "degraded" eh?

HAHAHA actually im not heavy at all, im at perfect weight for my height thank you so i dont know where you pulled that from. nice try though.

Again with the degrading- cook, talk less, cleaning....were slaves now are we? men are truly pathetic

 

[zinc4]

hey if you can find a wh0re thats willing to sleep with you first thing, good luck to ya! all im saying is a DECENT girl with morals wont put out that easy especially if all your after is sex from them..

sleeping with someone you barely know is iffy to me, better hope you dont catch random diseases

Says who? What constitutes good morals regarding sex??? The bible? I slept with my gf the first night meeting her and i am still only the 2nd guy she has ever been with her entire life...if the attraction and spark is big enough, any woman can be broken down...

Stop being so quick to judge....aren't you a bi sexual covered in tatoos? If so, talk about throwing stones in a glass house....

 

[( . )( . )]

HAHAHA actually im not heavy at all, im at perfect weight for my height thank you so i dont know where you pulled that from. nice try though.

Again with the degrading- cook, talk less, cleaning....were slaves now are we?

You wished. Only thing you'll be a slave to is saturated fats and cleaning up after your cats.

men are truly pathetic

And yet here you are.

 

[Desdinova]

Whenever im on dates with guys and they pressure me into sleeping with them on the first few dates,

Woah, let's stop right here...

The experienced guys on here generally know better than to "pressure" a woman into sleeping with them. The goal is to make the woman want to sleep with them without even mentioning it. The girl I'm currently seeing had no problem fvcking me on the first date.

A decent girl with values and morals wont just open her legs for you on the first date regardless of how charming you are!

You seen to think that "charm" is something that a woman consciously recognizes. It isn't. True "charm" (or in this case seduction) focuses on the unconscious of the woman. It works more on her emotionally, and makes her feel the desire to sleep with the man. There is generally no verbal mention of sex. To her, it just feels right.

Even so the ones that do are either wh0res or low self esteem girls..

The girl I'm seeing doesn't qualify for either category. According to her, she hasn't had a man in the last 3-4 years and is currently chasing after a higher position at her workplace. The day I met her, she was instantly attracted and made out with me within the first 30 minutes.

Also some of the guys on here saying how girls are only useful for sex and nothing else is truly degrading to females

It's not degrading, it's the truth. Women who are physically attractive but have the personality of a sand blaster are NOT worth keeping around.

Again with the degrading- cook, talk less, cleaning....were slaves now are we?

If a woman isn't willing to clean the house and cook meals, then she's unsuitable for mating with. She needs these traits to give her child a good home. If she's unwilling to be a "slave" when it comes to keeping a good home, then she's not suitable to be a "slave" to a child who's dependent on her to change diapers and breast feed.

 

[BraddH]

I just had a virgin offer sex to me on second date....she is as goody goody as they come...theory is full of BS...if they want you bad enough they will do anything regardless of how promiscuous they are...

Many things here. She might have been a needy chick overage who feels inferior
to her friends, to social and idealism cuz she never had sex before. Many things. Theory is just bull****. You can keep on going wih theory back and forth for millions of years.