I live in the Hudson Valley myself, and I will agree that some areas around here, and especially further up near Rochester and Buffalo, can be poor as hell, yet taxed a lot. I agree people shouldnt be having kids if they cant afford it, but life happens. No one wants to struggle and live meagerly, which is why I advocate a two family household, and want a wife who works full time. Id be ok if she worked part time....but shed have to be bringing in decent change to help in the house.Danger said:I live in upstate NY, one of the highest taxed yet poorest areas of the country.
Nobody said anything about being comfortable. They work hard and have a meager living but they get by.
And if they couldn't, then they shouldn't be having any kids.
Working women increase demand as well. Consumer sales went through the roof once women had their own cash. They definitely stimulate the economy. Women buy most things for the house anyways...and def do more shopping now that they dont always have to ask hubby for cash.I'm not defending them, I am just saying they are different because they also bring demand with them, not just labor.
Are we viewing the same graphs? In both graphs I see a HUGE spike in immigration and workforce women around 1970 to 2000. How are you missing that? They greatly coincide with one another as well. One could gather that the spike in female employment was helped by immigration spikes...it makes perfect sense.The graphs show that immigration was tiny compared to women entering the workforce. Most of the labor gain was due to feminism.
Those immigration numbers are annual. That means in the 50's, where there were 2,000,000 immigrants, they were less than 2% of the population (AT BEST), wherease women joining the workforce at a rate of 10% means they were nearly triple that number at least.
See, you are arguing about labor supply, but you are forgetting workforce demand. As technology improved and moved away from manufacturing into information and economic based jobs (basically desk work), demand increased for workers.They didn't have to be able to do every single job men did, they just had to come in and take jobs that were previously taken by men. Labor supply doubled over the course of 30 years due to women. Immigrants totaled 12 million during that time frame. Less than 10% of the population and that's assuming they all joined the workforce.
If half of all women stopped working right now, sure some wages would go up, but it would cripple a lot of families. Not everyone will get super high wages thats enough to raise a family, and companies would have less productivity due to less workers....they would make less money...which means the economy would slow down. If anything, feminism (allowing women to leave the home) and technology helped grow the economy
The problem is you have no hard evidence backing up this position. Your graphs present an "either-or" possibility. One could definitely gather from those graphs that many of the women in the workforce were immigrants. And its true...as my best friends grandmother moved to this country years ago and immediately began working. Many women did...his grandmother worked with many women like herself.Admit it, women added far more to the workforce than immigrants did during the growth of feminism. I know you are going to fight it tooth and nail, but that's why you are always the one who ends up attacking character, getting pissed off and calling me a racist because of it.
And the only times ive implied that your positions appear to be racist or sexist, is when you say things that are clearly derogatory or offensive. This isnt one of those times though.
Did I say they werent allowed? No I did not. I said globalization has made the world a greedy "Dollar first, people second" place. And I think governments need to put forth measures to ensure that domestic populations arent taken advantage of. America does a crap job of that in my view.Sooooo, you are going to again avoid my question on why corporations are not allowed to lower their costs but you and I as consumers ARE allowed to?
Its wrong when it impacts the nation negatively. Nations cant thrive when jobs are constantly going overseas. Sure, build plants and cut costs around the world...but the government should make sure corporations are rewarded for stimulating the American economy. Not pulling a Romney Bain Capital move, and buying an Italian company and then funneling its profits through Luxemborg so Italy nor America ever sees any of it...despite Bain being an American firm that profits from our business atmosphere.What is wrong with building plants in other parts of the world? Would you not get gas at a station where it was .10 cheaper per gallon?
Why is it suddenly wrong when a corporation does it?
You said liberal arts and I immediately thought "lol women". But hell...a lot more guys are getting those degrees nowadays as well. I mean...we do need teachers and what not...but because of the economic down turn, we arent in a teacher drought, and more college kids need to be smart about what they want for a career.Teaching at 35k a year is not a high paying job. Better yet, go to a trade school instead of college and get a job as a plumber or carpenter, they are making a killing right now.
Problem is, too many people have liberal arts majors and don't want to work.
Its not always about money though. Plenty of kids actually enjoy teaching. Let them have at it then. Money isnt everything, but it sure makes life more comfy.
Im just not the biggest fan of cheap products being made overseas by underpaid workers when Americans need jobs right now. Im saying that if our jobs werent all around the world, that more Americans would have money for better, higher quality things.Why would we have to do that? People save a LOT of money by paying less for goods. That money is then spent on other goods, thus providing more jobs.
Seriously, it makes no sense to say we should pay higher prices for stuff. It isn't any better. Increased productivity means we pay LESS for stuff so we can buy MORE.
But with American cost of living comes American freedom and values. I wouldnt want to live in an overpopulated, air polluted and communist place like China. Unless I could get into Hong Kong...Im not sure how living is there. I know they use different currency and basically run themselves.If you have traveled so much, then you know those "peanuts" can buy a lot in India or China or overseas.
They are peanuts to us because our pay is so much more and our cost of living is so much higher. But not so high that a family cannot get by one one wage, even if it is only 35k a year.
I have studied economics, and I have friends and colleagues who have traveled the world, as much, if not more than you...and theyd laugh if they read this thread talking about feminism and homosexuality as something that ruins a society, economic system or wages.No, it means you still need to study economics and travel the world a bit more.