The Great DJpression

[sazc]

what you mean. If a woman wont escalate sexually then men stop responding?

Seems that way.
I suspect that there are so many loose females on OLD, men view OLD as a means to get laid quickly, and filter for hookups.

It's very easy to tell if this is the case. They are either direct about it, or try to head in a sexual direction quickly. If you try to slow their roll, they ghost. I assume they move on to find other meat.

It is what it is

 

[fastlife]

Pook has stood the test of time (but even he fell prey to his own idealism at the end). AD has not.

I read AntiDump, love the way it sounds on paper & wish things worked that way; but it doesn’t stand up in field. My personal belief is that he was dating almost exclusively older women. Either that, or external stimuli for the average girl has increased so drastically as to render his approach obselete. Feel free to try it for yourself; just don’t get mad when it doesn’t work

 

[Epicurus]

Seems that way.
I suspect that there are so many loose females on OLD, men view OLD as a means to get laid quickly, and filter for hookups.

It's very easy to tell if this is the case. They are either direct about it, or try to head in a sexual direction quickly. If you try to slow their roll, they ghost. I assume they move on to find other meat.

It is what it is

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Why would you want a man who’s not looking for the same thing as you to continue a conversation. I strictly want sex or a reliable fwb.
If a girl wants a relationship I respect that and leave her alone, as she should respect my stance

 

[sazc]

Why would you want a man who’s not looking for the same thing as you to continue a conversation. I strictly want sex or a reliable fwb.
If a girl wants a relationship I respect that and leave her alone, as she should respect my stance

I never said that I wanted the convo to continue if the goals were different...?

My point was that it seems as if OLD has become a platform for people to negotiate sex. Nothing more, no other point. I just used my experiences to illustrate that. Never did whine about them ghosting. I agree with you, if our goals are mis aligned, better to move on quickly.

 

[Reykhel]

You will continue to follow me around every post I make.

You confirm that your hubris has got the better of you. First thread of yours that I bothered to comment on. Let's say I expected more from your
thread than a simple whine; hence the "challenge" of "be the change that you wish to see". Alas, instead you took it as an attack and became
defensive. I tend to agree with the major premise of your thread, so don't hold your breath on your wish coming true.

And I will continue to be kind and respectful to you my fellow sir

Stoic mindset. I like it.

Now I hope you have a great weekend

Thank you kindly. Hope you have a great 2018.

 

[Reykhel]

SS now: lots of whiners and PUA fails who come just to complain and b1tch about girls/women

.....Yet here you are.....whining.....

You are correct that women have changed, however if men would have adapted to it, we still would not have so many complaining threads.

....Yet here you are....complaining....

The irony and hypocrisy in some of these threads. You couldn't make it up....

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

The two examples given in OP are not comparable. The OP lacks any discussion of it's own. /thread

 

[zekko]

I like Anti-Dump but I hate that old rigid style: "A DJ will only eat Rice Krispies for breakfast. He will not eat the generic brand. He will eat it with one cup of 2% milk and 1 teaspoon of sugar. He will not oversweeten it".

Also the bit about only asking for the HOME number, that bit is definitely outdated. Most people don't even have a home phone anymore. And who gives a sh!t anyway?

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Pook has stood the test of time (but even he fell prey to his own idealism at the end). AD has not.

I read AntiDump, love the way it sounds on paper & wish things worked that way; but it doesn’t stand up in field. My personal belief is that he was dating almost exclusively older women. Either that, or external stimuli for the average girl has increased so drastically as to render his approach obselete. Feel free to try it for yourself; just don’t get mad when it doesn’t work

I liked Anti-Dump too, but I agree that some of his stuff doesn’t seem too practical.

 

[Reykhel]

@Macaframalama .....I think you may have misread the message there pal.

The first line I agree with you AND ADD that so is this thread (lame)

The rest of what I wrote is clearly directed at the OP (try read it again)

I've not read all of what you wrote there....seems like a stream of consciousness....I stopped at the first line...

However, i notice you've gone for the gay angle........ok whatever floats your boat.

Again, there's me agreeing with what you said and responding to the OP......so your insulting gay tirade of a response makes
you look.......

By the way, THE OP CLEARLY KNEW I WAS RESPONDING TO HIM.

 

[Macaframalama]

@Macaframalama .....I think you may have misread the message there pal.

The first line I agree with you AND ADD that so is this thread (lame)

The rest of what I wrote is clearly directed at the OP (try read it again)

I've not read all of what you wrote there....seems like a stream of consciousness....I stopped at the first line...

However, i notice you've gone for the gay angle........ok whatever floats your boat.

Again, there's me agreeing with what you said and responding to the OP......so your insulting gay tirade of a response makes
you look.......

By the way, THE OP CLEARLY KNEW I WAS RESPONDING TO HIM.

Yes, I realised I mistook your response as a personal attack and have since deleted my post and I offer my apologies to you.

 

[Reykhel]

@Macaframalama no problem. Order is restored.

 

[Macaframalama]

@Macaframalama no problem. Order is restored.

Thank you. It's been a long day/week/year already. That's no excuse to go there, nor hit below the belt like that. Misinterpretation or not, really. It's something I know I should and will be working on.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

If you take AD at face value, of course it's dated. But if you take AD at a structural level, it's very relevant.

The ones who continue to show high interest, get to stay. Those who don't, don't.

The rest is basic sales funnel stuff, easily applicable.

Technology, etc., isn't nearly as relevant. Girls that are interested in you will find a way to communicate that. Those that aren't, won't.

 

[guru1000]

IMO all OLD is worthless.
From the female perspective, in 98% of the cases, of we don't escalate to something sexual in the first 5 replies, the conversation gets ghosted.

OLD seems like nothing more then a platform for people to try to bargain for sex.

Women fall into two categories for men with options:

1) Smash and dash: this is usually the type of woman 1-3 SMV points below the man (commensurate with his current options), whereas the man has no interest in LTRing or even trying anything more than a “let’s Fvck,” but if the girl makes it easy and will fvck with little resistance, the man might entertain such an option.

2) LTR potential: usually the type of woman of equal or greater SMV whereas the man will invest a little and potentially seek an LTR. Even men who don’t desire LTRs will invest a little here because the women is more attractive and will not be easy to fvck otherwise.

 

[zekko]

The ones who continue to show high interest, get to stay. Those who don't, don't.

I definitely agree with that.

Women fall into two categories for men with options:

1) Smash and dash: this is usually the type of woman 1-3 SMV points below the man (commensurate with his current options)
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2) LTR potential: usually the type of woman of equal or greater SMV whereas the man will invest a little and potentially seek an LTR. Even men who don’t desire LTRs will invest a little here because the women is more attractive and will not be easy to fvck otherwise.

I've never seen LTR potential as being directly related to SMV. Obviously the woman has to be attractive to you. But I think there are a certain set of traits that make a woman a good candidate for a LTR. I imagine each guy has his own unique list of traits.

I've seen many guys here post "I will only marry the hottest girl I've ever seen", and that's fine but I've always found it a little puzzling. Because I've usually found that the very hottest women are too spoiled by male attention to make for a good LTR. Or to put it another way, what are the odds that the hottest woman would also have the best traits to match up with you relationship-wise?

 

[guru1000]

I definitely agree with that.


I've never seen LTR potential as being directly related to SMV. Obviously the woman has to be attractive to you. But I think there are a certain set of traits that make a woman a good candidate for a LTR. I imagine each guy has his own unique list of traits.

I've seen many guys here post "I will only marry the hottest girl I've ever seen", and that's fine but I've always found it a little puzzling. Because I've usually found that the very hottest women are too spoiled by male attention to make for a good LTR. Or to put it another way, what are the odds that the hottest woman would also have the best traits to match up with you relationship-wise?

So the contraposition would be you LTR women that are less attractive than you?

I never did. All my ex’s were at least on my SMV level. Looks is the first requirement that opens the LTR door only. Then follows compatibility (on all levels).

My point to Sazc is men who open up with sex talk within a few messages may view her as SMV inferior.

 

[zekko]

So the contraposition would be you LTR women that are less attractive than you?

Where did I say that? As you say, looks are the first requirement that opens the door. Once they meet that requirement, then they are eligible to meet the other requirements. For me, whether it be a LTR or a one night stand, if I don't find them attractive, I'm out.

 

[sazc]

Women fall into two categories for men with options:

1) Smash and dash: this is usually the type of woman 1-3 SMV points below the man (commensurate with his current options), whereas the man has no interest in LTRing or even trying anything more than a “let’s Fvck,” but if the girl makes it easy and will fvck with little resistance, the man might entertain such an option.

2) LTR potential: usually the type of woman of equal or greater SMV whereas the man will invest a little and potentially seek an LTR. Even men who don’t desire LTRs will invest a little here because the women is more attractive and will not be easy to fvck otherwise.

It seems that men fall into those same categories on OLD. They are either looking to get laid quickly, or are willing to explore possibilities and take it a little slower.

I think 99.99% of them would hit it quickly if a female offered/led with sex. That kind of an opportunity is just too good to pass up.

Again, it all goes to show, for anybody who is using OLD, snap judgments are made on your picture, you can't take anything that occurs online seriously or personally. And you shouldn't.

 

[sazc]

My point to Sazc is men who open up with sex talk within a few messages may view her as SMV inferior.

Thankfully I actually never get ' sexual 'openers on OLD at all. No one is that gross with me. If that was a consistent thing on an OLD site, I would leave the site all together. That would be creepy.

It's pretty easy to tell where they want it to go tho.....

If they (quickly) ask what city I live in and suggest they are SO close to me in X city right now, they want me to respond with an invitation to meet/come over.

If they send me unsolicited half naked pictures (usually gym type shots) within the first few messages (third or fourth reply is an unsolicited pic) it's apparent where they want it to go.

I'm SUPPOSED to: "Ohh you're so handsome, those abs are perfect!"
So they can eventually: "I bet you want to lick and nibble these abs, don't you?"
Or
Eventually: "I bet you want these abs to carry you into bed, don't you?"

Its all so LOL. Attention seeking behavior borne out of insecurity and the need for validation.

If they ask me 'what I am looking for' on this site, it's most likely because they want to know if I am down to fvck.

If I suggest we meet for COFFEE in the middle of the day to spend an hour chatting, and they ignore the invitation, I'm pretty sure they want different things.

There's no overt sexual openers or messages tho. Not for me. Just attempts to lead the conversation.