The game has changed.

[lookyoung]

I have noticed a wierd trend lately. I don't know if this is just from my experience but it seems to me the game has changed over the last 2 years. From the ages of 20-28 I had great success with woman. Fvck closed over 50% of the girls I went on dates with. And I banged 80% of these girls within the first 5 dates. Fast forward to me being 28-29 dated a chick and broke up with her. That was the only girl I banged from the ages of 28-29. I was a total afc that year. I broke up with her and had a few unfortunate situations happen to me and wasn't ready to sarge girls.


Over the last 5 months I have gotten back in the game. I have only 1 fvck buddy and have gone on dates with 6 girls. I am 30 the ages of these girls
21,20,20,23,22,26. I have not fvck closed any of these girls. Although I am still working on three of them and the other three I struck out. I made out with 5/6.


What made me come up with this thread is that 3 of these girls I met with my cousin at clubs. He asked me lookyoung have you banged any of these girls. I was like no. He was like wtf happened to you, you were always one to close deals quick. I said well it ain't over till its over but things are not going according to plan. My cousin who is 32 said cuz the game has changed.

I also feel the game has changed. One reason for me not closing deals is because these girls are young. Like I said these girls 24 and under rather have a guy that is with 10 of his friends popping bottles 3 times a week than have a guy that is serious with his career and his health. (work full time, workout 4-5 times a week. go on date or party once a week.


Even though I am only 30 I feel that due to MYSPACE, Text messaging and the modern ways of communication has changed the game greatly. Girls just don't enjoy traditional dating has much, would rather hang out in groups. The 22 year old girl of today is different than the 22 year old girl of 4 years ago. MY SPACE HAS CHANGED THE GAME

 

[lookyoung]

Please mods move this to mature man forum or the don juan forum which ever you feel is appropriate

 

[DJF or John]

Lookyoung! My mentor, what's up buddy?

Hey I'll tell you what, you know me and you have bumped heads like two NFL football players but at the end of the day, I got mad respect for you bro. Maybe if you are a pretty big guy, I could use you as my bodyguard, lol. Everybody knows I can't fight that well lol, but I'm working on it!

But hey, forget that...let's go back to this discussion.

(Look young walks into John's office, pulls a chair, and sits down)

John: LookYoung! Hey dude, what's going on man?

Lookyoung: John...I got something on my mind.

John: Oh yea? Is it Beyonce?

Lookyoung: No that was last night.....

John: Damn this must be serious. Shoot away at me buddy!

Lookyoung,

"I have noticed a wierd trend lately."

John: I have to, there's more and more businesses opening each day! That's more and more opportunities for me to sell my goods!

Lookyoung,

"John I'm talking...."

John: Geeezzz, well....gone ahead.

Lookyoung,

"Anyway, I don't know if this is just from my experience but it seems to me the game has changed over the last 2 years. From the ages of 20-28 I had great success with woman. Fast forward to me being 28-29 dated a chick and broke up with her. That was the only girl I banged from the ages of 28-29. I was a total afc that year. I broke up with her and had a few unfortunate situations happen to me and wasn't ready to sarge girls."

Hmmmm...keep going man.

Lookyoung,

"Over the last 5 months I have gotten back in the game. I have only 1 fvck buddy and have gone on dates with 6 girls. I am 30 the ages of these girls
21,20,20,23,22,26. I have not fvck closed any of these girls."

Oh dude I already SEE the problem, but keep going...

Lookyoung,

"What made me come up with this thread is that 3 of these girls I met with my cousin at clubs. He asked me lookyoung have you banged any of these girls. I was like no. He was like wtf happened to you, you were always one to close deals quick."

John:....................

"I also feel the game has changed. One reason for me not closing deals is because these girls are young. Like I said these girls 24 and under rather have a guy that is with 10 of his friends popping bottles 3 times a week than have a guy that is serious with his career and his health."

John:.......................

"Even though I am only 30 I feel that due to MYSPACE, Text messaging and the modern ways of communication has changed the game greatly. Girls just don't enjoy traditional dating has much, would rather hang out in groups. The 22 year old girl of today is different than the 22 year old girl of 4 years ago. MY SPACE HAS CHANGED THE GAME."

 

[DJF or John]

Wellll, LookYoung....let's start off right here.

In the last 5 months you've went on dates with 6 girls, so I am assuming that within the last 5 months you have really only asked out 10.

5 months is a long time, and no matter what anybody tells you, "Life is Sales." Meaning, it's an ultimate numbers game. When you learn how to play the numbers, the numbers will always produce for you the results you needed.

1. You need VALUE

I keep telling you guys Lookyoung, WHO YOU ARE means nothing to women today. I mean, it's a great thing to be successful, have great health, but I keep telling you guys over and over...what the hell does that have to do with women.

Women define VALUE in a guy AT FIRST, by how HORNY he makes her. How GOOD he makes her feel. That's why I said, sexual state (which is just nothing but controlled and channelled horniness), allows the women to relax, be comfortable, and just be SEXY. It is very beautiful, women are very beautiful, and SEX is a great thing. Being horny, is the natural thing that God gave us and women, so that we come together for LOVE, for SEX, and isn't it beautiful?

But most guys don't embrace their horniness, they hide their horniness for fear of looking dumb. Dont' do that...embrace yoru sexuality, and just learn how to control it.

You will know when you are controlling it greatly, becaue you will naturally be smooth, you will speak to women in a lower voice, the bedroom eyes, all that stuff.

It's all natural, it's beautiful, and it's what makes a man and a woman PROUD to just be a damn man and a woman.

 

[DJF or John]

2. Then next thing you need is QUANTITY

You HAVE to meet at least 10 different girls a week. Minimum! Finding a great girlfriend is more difficult today than it was yesterday, finding pvssy is easier today than it was yesterday.

My numbers go like this

10 girls met a week
7 numbers
3 phone sexed and foreplayed over the phone
2 lead to real sex

Your numbers can be lower or higher, depending on:

1. The Girls You Target
2. Your Sexual Flow
3. Your Overall "Peace and Joy" Level

I target chicks that are laid back, quiet, and very cool and sexy. It's a calmness about her, a sweetness about her, that makes her fvcking luscious.

Again, I already explained sexual flow.

And your overall peace and joy, hell...sometimes I just don't feel like being bothered, lol. Seriously. Sometimes women get on my nerves, or I'm pissed off about business or something, and I know one thing, when my business isn't right..my whole mood is off. But when my business is good, I'm a fvcking joyful and peaceful motafvcka!

 

[DJF or John]

3. Now that you have Value and Quantity, NOW...you receive

QUALITY.

She's the prize for running the gauntlet. She's like a chick that God created for YOU. She caters to you, she loves the fvck outta you. You could be an AFC, a Don Juan, a Snoop Dogg, a Ky Jelly Poppin Daddy, if you want to. She still loves you.

This is the girl you take on dates.
This is the girl you take to your family.

Guys try to make OTHER chicks out to be THIS GIRL...and they end up getting fvcked up.

This is why I asked another guy, "Why are you going on dates?"

This is the only chick that is WORTHY of a date, she is the only chick that SHOULD go on a date. I mean...it makes sense.

Hope this helps...I know you will get your "Mojo" back in no time.

(LookYoung, gets up and exits John's office)

 

[lookyoung]

LOOKYOUNG WALKS BACK TO DJF OFFICE AND SAYS


DJF I agree with the three core things you said.

1. Value 2. Quantity 3. Quality.

My definition of value would be different than yours. But your mostly on the money.

Now I have a question for you??? Where is it that you meet ten girls a week. Internet, clubs, bars, friends, work, school, etc........


As far as quality goes this is the toughest thing about the game. there are not too many quality woman out there. That is why I am 30 and not married. Out of the over 100 girls I have dated honestly DJF I could probably say 10% were quality. The problem with woman these days is they don't care for there man. They are garbage.

Now I am pickier than most guys but this is what I consider quality.

1. No kids.
2. Doesn't go to bars or clubs.
3. Doesn't travel to places like miami or vegas with gf.
4. Doesn't flirt with guys when I am not around.
5. virgin or low amount of sex partners.
6. good cook.
7. always greets me with a smile.
8. Loves kids and wants at least 2
9. If I had to do a year in jail, or if I was sick would remain faithful to me.
10. loves me.


Not too many girls meet this criteria. especially #5 or #9.


By the way DJF I hope things are going better for you. I see that you wrote something on taking your life. And not talking to your 3 brothers.

About your 3 brothers reach out to them. Blood is thicker than water. My sister passed away not long ago. You don't realize how important people are until they are gone. As far as taking your life. DJF your a smart kid. Your better than that.

LOOKYOUNG SHAKES DJF HANDS AND WALKS OUT OF OFFICE.

 

[DJF or John]

(DJF shouts to Look Young)

John: Hey Young! Before you leave...just one more thing. Matter of fact, how about this. Maria!

Maria: Yes John!

John: Maria is my lovely assistant Young. Maria...go grab me and my boy a couple packs of beer...this might take a while.

Maria: Sure! Be right back!

John: Lol, "white girls," they do whatever you tell them lol. No, no...Young, I meant that in a good way lol.

Young heres the thing, I was daydreaming a couple of minutes ago, refresh me on what the hell you just said lol.

Lookyoung: Hey, you better pay attention this time! Now listen...DJF I agree with the three core things you said. My definition of value would be different than yours. But your mostly on the money. But now I have a question for you??? Where is it that you meet ten girls a week. Internet, clubs, bars, friends, work, school, etc........

John: Ohhh Young I thought you would never ask! Remember skip to the motafvckin lou? Lol. I told you, Skip reminds me of a younger version of myself, a 22 year old version of me, seeing that I am now 23, I am much,much, older and wiser now! Cough, cough...anyway.

THE INTERNET!!

It doesn't matter. Myspace, Nyggaspot, Blackplanet...lol. Why the internet? Well...here's why.

See all those girls in that club on Friday and Saturday? See those girls at school, at Arbys, at Pistons game? You know...all the usual "cold approach" places?

Well, 80% of those girls have something called a, "Online Page." And one of the popular dating chat sites like myspace or whereever, these chicks have a page created and they check this page OFTEN.

So what you do, is you fix up YOUR page, and you market to a NUMBER of these chicks WEEKLY. It's like doing a approach without actually being there.

So I am "approaching" while I am actually making sales calls. I am "approaching" while I am actually lifting weights. I am "approaching" while I am lip singing Chris Daughtry.

And at the end of the day, I go to my little Inbox on that little dating chat forum thing, and notice all of the chicks that responded. Well look...I have 25!

So now, I either Yahoo Mess them, Private chat them, or whatever. But I get their number and call them or have them call me, I then go into my little phone sex foreplay thing to get her phone sexing with me...then after that, the next day or so I do the real fvcking.

 

[DJF or John]

LookYoung: Hmmm...so you just use the internet?

John: Damn right skipper! Why spend 20 minutes approaching 1 chick...when I could spend those 20 minutes making another Sales call or lifting some weights? Let my computer and my online page do the approaching. I just come in and "write up the sale" if you know what I mean hahaha.

Lookyoung: Well. As far as quality goes this is the toughest thing about the game. there are not too many quality woman out there. That is why I am 30 and not married. Out of the over 100 girls I have dated honestly DJF I could probably say 10% were quality. The problem with woman these days is they don't care for there man. They are garbage.

John: :crackup: Dude sorry, but I had to crackup. I told you! hahah, I told you! Women today are looking to get FVCKED FIRST. You know PRL, or Last Man Standing, that's my Uncle (well, I guess not legally), he said it best. Women today are acting like men. They are free and fvcking here and there and everywhere! That's why I said LookYoung, when guys get on this site and talk about they can't get no pvssy, I seriously doubt that they even truly tried. Honestly. Getting pvssy is sooo simple and easy today. Really.

The problem is getting an great girlfriend. And yes, your 10% is correct, but that's a little high my friend.

Majority of women, as I said in other posts, they don't like you! They just want to fvck you (sound familar...they are acting like us now!) Women have changed buddy.

It's us men that haven't kept up with this new trend that women are doing. It's men that are STUCK in the wrong trend. Men are still treating women and dating like our Grandfather did, but that's over!

The days of relationships are over!

The days of marriages are over!

But hold on...hold on....is it still possible?

YES!

That is the "challenge" of TODAY'S dating environment. It's finding a chick that you can STILL have a relationship with.

But see Young...too many guys find this too hard, and it is! So they settle! They settle with chicks, knowing deep down inside the chick is probably fvcking them, their dad, their brother, and me and skip to the lou on the side.

LookYoung....my only advice to you today is...

GET LAID. Use heavy protection, make no babies, make no plans, and just ENJOY this scattered azz running around here.

And eventually....you'll find a chick that is relationship material. Get her azz. But of course, also keep your scattered azzes on the side!

Maria: John...here's the beers!

John: Damn women...I could've fvcked you in the azz, pvssy, mouth, and came twice in all that damn time it took u! Give me these damn beers!

(Young and DJF lean back and drink a beer)

 

[HArry_balZonYa]

damn this is fresh. I never really had too much hope in the internet dating aproach. i always tend to see a bunch of commercials and newspaper articles filled with dudes fixing to do time in the slammer for trying to get laid..but then again a lot of them were going for the 12 year olds.....

What are some things you do to make your online page "profitable"? and do you post bulletins(myspace) or send out messages looking for dating?

 

[DJF or John]

bummmppppp

Why did I bump it?

Wellll, because I felt like it.

 

[lookyoung]

DJF I can see thats how you pull your woman by the internet. It seems alot of guys on this site do the same. The way I pull girls is , clubs, bars, work, friends, etc......


I just recently dipped my nose on the internet game and went out with a chick that seems to have oneitis for me already. I have not even kissed her LOL.

Well anyway I can't speak from real life experience on the internet game.

But from my observations this is what I see to be advantage of internet game.
ADVANTAGE

1. Cheap inexpensive way of meeting woman.
2. Girls are more genuine than the trendy crowd (clubbing girls)
3. Not time consuming can do it at the comfort of your own home.
4. Healthy your not around liquor and smoke.

DISADVANTAGE
1. Makes you stupid and lazy sitting in front of computer. Better to go out and socialize.
2. Clubbing girls are on average better looking than internet girls.
3. Nothing beats doing cold approaches and sarging girls.
4. You get more satisfaction banging some girl from club than you do from internet with all things being equal.


The internet seems like a great place to meet girls. But I would take the guy who has banged 30 girls through school, clubs, bars, cold approach, friends, than the guy who did it through the internet.

NOTHING BEATS REAL LIFE SARGING. THIS MAKES YOU A MORE WELL ROUNDED DON JUAN THAN MEETING GIRLS THROUGH YAHOO OR MYSPACE.


LOOKYOUNG

 

[DJF or John]

LookYoung you are absolutely correct. However, let's not confuse what's going on.

Nothing can ever replace the field work, having inner game, being able to lead a girl to a state of horniness, and just being a PUA PERIOD.

The best way to create your PUA-ness, is from experience.

Experience comes from the field.

But see LookYoung, let's compare this to my Sales Position.

I've been doing this since I was 18, I started out doing it going door to door. From going door to door, I learned my craft. I learned what worked and what didnt'. I learned when to slow down, speed up, etc.

From that, I figured I could get to more PROSPECTS quicker, which means I make more SALES, by doing telemarketing.

Then, I learned how to use The Internet. Meaning, that I generate PROSPECTS much more quicker...which also means I generate SALES...much more quicker.

Even if I couldn't sale a fvcking lick, I would still be over 6 figures a year from the Internet. But since I CAN sell, from the hard aches and pain I had while going door to door, I generate my sales much more quicker.

Why do I say this?

Guys need to experience rejection, come to this site, learn from Gunwitch and others, and TWIK their sexual game. Eventually, they will get it.

Now...the internet is not a replacement for having game LookYoung. The internet is a way to generate a multitude of cool, fun, interested girls FASTER.

You STILL have to have inner sexual game. Again, because the chick came from the internet, that doesn't mean she's not a CHICK anymore! Lol, the same chick you game at the bar, more than likely responded to my picture being in her Private Box.

 

[DJF or John]

Again, LookYoung, you have to understand TODAY'S MARKETPLACE.

I told you before, this is not 1980, nor 1990.

This is 2007.

85% of women have ONLINE PAGES, that they check OFTEN.

So when you say, these things, I have to worry about you buddy. Let's recap them....

Young says,

"DISADVANTAGE of Internet
1. Makes you stupid and lazy sitting in front of computer. Better to go out and socialize.
2. Clubbing girls are on average better looking than internet girls.
3. Nothing beats doing cold approaches and sarging girls.
4. You get more satisfaction banging some girl from club than you do from internet with all things being equal."

Young continues,

"The internet seems like a great place to meet girls. But I would take the guy who has banged 30 girls through school, clubs, bars, cold approach, friends, than the guy who did it through the internet."

Young concludes,

"NOTHING BEATS REAL LIFE SARGING. THIS MAKES YOU A MORE WELL ROUNDED DON JUAN THAN MEETING GIRLS THROUGH YAHOO OR MYSPACE."

 

[Last Man Standing]

Youngblood, ain't a damn thang changed since the 1970' s!!!! Hors still want the penis but not the man!!!!!!!! HINT: "Hors" are the masculine nature of the "Women"!!! Can you decipher?

 

[lookyoung]

DJF experience is the key. Nothing beats real life experience I have been preaching this 1000 times. Many AFC's on this site look at guys like style, and mystery and worship them like they are gods. I slammed mystery and style on one thread and almost got killed for it. I simply stated that they are not the best PUA's. Don't follow these guys or the rules on this site. Get out there and do what works for you. I feel this site is great for discussion and motivation.

The things that work for me. I feel and know that I am the prize. And this comes with having confidence through real life experiences.


BTW DJF my cousin who is in sales told me that all successful salesman are usually great at gaming woman. My cousin who has no looks actually does ok with woman even though he has many afc tendencies.

 

[DJF or John]

First off Young, you don't spend all your time sitting in front of a computer. I'm not talking about logging into Chatforums and chatting, I'm talking about leaving her private notes.

When you say club chicks are hotter than online chicks, again, you speak from a lack of experience. THEY ARE THE SAME CHICKS!

85% of women in this country, that are 16-35, have a fvcking Online Page that they check often!

When you say you would "take" and "respect" the guy that banged 30 chicks from outside sarging then from the internet, again, you speak from a lack of experience. THEY ARE THE SAME FVCKING CHICKS!

You speak as if the chicks online and the chicks at the club, are from two different planets.

And when you say nothing beats REALLIFE SARGING....yeah something does, it's called sending Private Notes.

Alll you are doing with this Private Messaging, is just "approaching" and "meeting" girls FASTER.

1. You still have to be a PUA
2. You still have to have a great sexual flow.
3. You still need to have "game."

Period.

If a guy wishes to acquire all of his chicks the LONG WAY, and that's approaching them one by one on the street, then gone right ahead.

I'll spend that "approaching" time making more sales calls, lifting weights, or doing what I would RATHER BE DOING...then when I want some pvssy, I check my Inbox and go make some phone sex calls, then lead them to fvcking.

Hahaha, I tell her, "Naaa baby...u aint' goin to the club wit them tonigh...u spendin time wit me..hahahah."

 

[lookyoung]

DJF your right about girls having webpages. All the young girls I date have a myspace. And it would be a big advantage for me to get a myspace. However woman in the 26 year and older crowd many do not have a myspace. When I meet these young girls 21 or 22 at a club I could show them pics at myspace and develop some rapport with them which= puzzzy.


But I am too old school for that. You can't teach an old dog newtricks.

 

[lookyoung]

Youngblood, ain't a damn thang changed since the 1970' s!!!! Hors still want the penis but not the man!!!!!!!! HINT: "Hors" are the masculine nature of the "Women"!!! Can you decipher?

LMS you think your time was bad. Sh1t woman are 10 times worse today than they were even ten years ago. At least 10 years ago you could go overseas and get yourself a virgin. Now you can't even go to saudi arabia and find a virgin. The western world has influenced the whole world, the middle east included.

 

[DJF or John]

(Young and John continue their discussion....)

Young: DJF experience is the key. The things that work for me. I feel and know that I am the prize. And this comes with having confidence through real life experiences.

My cousin who is in sales told me that all successful salesman are usually great at gaming woman. My cousin who has no looks actually does ok with woman even though he has many afc tendencies.

John: Lol, okay.

Young: DJF your right about girls having webpages. All the young girls I date have a myspace. And it would be a big advantage for me to get a myspace.
But I am too old school for that. You can't teach an old dog newtricks.

John: Hey man....That is the main reason why I out sell many of these guys that have been in this same position for as long as I have been alive.
THEY WONT' ADAPT TO THE MARKETPLACE!

Young let me tell you. You say you believe you are the prize, you say you have confidence. Again, baloney.

Means nothing.

You need to have a great sexual flow, you need to have a great sexual attitude, you ahve to make the chick feel very relaxed, horny, and wild aroudn you. Everything else at THIS POINT, makes no difference.

Of course have great hygiene, dress nice, smell nice....but it's sexual flow. YOU said you need more than that...I SAY if you have that, you're getting laid and in more RAPPORT than 90% of men in today's America.

Young: .........

John: Young, you have to get with teh fvckign program, this is not 1977. It's not. It's 2007, shyt has changed.

Women are acting like men now...and that means, they want to stick and move. They want someone who is attractive and sexual enough to give them a great nvt, the chick wants to nvt, nvt again, and again, and move on. Majority don't want no fvcking ties and shyt.

This is 2007, not 1977.

Women have ONLINE PAGES. Women don't go to clubs to look to GET LAID...no, no, no!! Women go to clubs to be SEEN. They go to clubs to LET LOOSE.

Women aren't looking to HOOK UP in the club. At all!!!

They want to party and have a great time, if you want to pull a chick from the club, usually she will be with a group. So YOU need to have a group of guys, and you MUST be very POPULAR. So her group leaves and goes to YOUR groups "after party."

Then you have something called an ORGY.

Again, this is 2007, not 1977.

And as far as all the Sales guy being good with women, well..........

I know some that are, I know some that aren't.

But I keep saying a 1,000 times, WHO ARE YOU MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.

Okay? BE WHO THE FVCK YOU WANT TO BE, Women don't give a SHYT who the fvck you are dude!!

Just make the bytch the horny, just make the bytch feel very relaxed and comforable in her sexualty! She don't give a fvck if you work for 6 figures a year or make fries at Burger King.

Seriously. You might not want to believe that, but I ONCE didn't believe in the bad attitudes of the police, until one MADE ME A BELIEVER. Whether you choose to believe something or not, doesn't mean that it's not there.