*The* Fundamental Law of Sexual Attraction

[slaog]

Smh at the theories that go out on this board. This entire "what's masculine"/"what's not" is really dumb to me lol and doesn't really reflect reality.

MASCULINE just like FEMININE has changed it's definitive definitions over time as CULTURE and SOCIETY has changed.

The Male roles and the Female roles have changed over time.

If you are not having success with women, I doubt that it's because you aren't MASCULINE ENOUGH.

If you are not having success with women, I would think it's more related to you not being a good communicator.

Being a good communicator is MORE related to understaning the culture and people you are interacting with (so that you fit in while also putting your own spin on it so you stand out).

Just like the tips and techniques and SS stuff is stupid, the entire MASCULINE **** is stupid and is just another "fad" or "theory" to get guys who REFUSE to just go out and LIVE to hold onto.

Masculinity will never change. What has changed is cultural but deep down people don't change. Theres more AFC's and less real men these days then ever before and the feminisation of "men" has played a big part on this. Also, I don't think you need to be good at communicating your understanding of todays culture. If that was the case then the guys who watch TV the most would be popular with the women.

 

[SXS]

If you are not having success with women, I doubt that it's because you aren't MASCULINE ENOUGH.

It's really true. There are a lot of sissy whiped dudes with hot women who will never leave them.

People always forget that factors you can't change like looks and money are very important as well. Well, you can chance those things a little bit, but in the long run you are mostly stuck.

Your definition of masculinity is YOUR definition and NOT a universal rule.

Absolutely nothing is universal.

 

[The Message Boy]

slaog says,

Masculinity will never change.

But this is the problem, WHO defines masculinity? Depending on who you talk to you have a number of different definitions for masculinity and what it really means to be a man. Most of the definitions are directly related to the specific culture and social dynamics in play in the area.

Sosuave has a definition.
Church has a defintion
Wallstreet has a definition
Feminists have a definition
Republicans have a definition
Democrats, and so on.

For example, the definition of masculinitiy in the ghetto might be a guy that's more rough and able to handle shooting, gang fights, etc.

The definition of masculinity in a nicer part of town might be a guy with alot of money.

The definition of masculinity back in the early humans days might be a guy that could properly go out and obtain food and hunt.

The definition changes based on the cultural background and surroundings you are interacting with. Different people see it differently, and there's no one universal answer for "What is Masculinity?" "What is a Man?"

slaog says,

Theres more AFC's and less real men these days then ever before and the feminisation of "men" has played a big part on this.

slaog, this is clue you don't know what you are talking about. Ok, what is an AFC? Average Frustrated Chump, what does that mean? The original concept came from the Speed Seducers who focused on tips/techniques/gimmicks to get women into bed FAST, and they termed a guy that couldn't GET LAID as average (because most guys in their opinion were in his situaiton), frustrated (because the guy couldn't get his needs met), and a chump (because in their eyes because the guy couldn't get laid he's obviously a loser).

In other words, AFC is not related to being a Man AT ALL. AFC is related to not getting laid. Can you be a real, true MAN and also on the other hand NOT know how to spark serious attraction in women?

Think about that one, I would think the answer is yes.

I know many great guys like soliders, police officers, firemen, that couldn't spark serious attraction in a woman if they paid her lol. They are real men, strong men, but when it comes to women they have no idea how to turn her on.

Turning a woman on is more related to charisma, communication, and understanding them and more less related to BEING A MAN. Matter of fact, BEING A MAN, actually plays less a part in the equation then you think it does IN TODAY'S WORLD. This might not have been true in our early days, but it is now.

slaog says,

Also, I don't think you need to be good at communicating your understanding of todays culture. If that was the case then the guys who watch TV the most would be popular with the women.

You have social dynamics confused with entertainment. TV is entertainment, it shows a sense of reality mixed with imagination, but it's NOT reality. Duh. Come on slaog lol, you know that.

Social dynamics is how a group of frat boys and girls communicate with each other. If you understand that and sort of tailor yourself to that "world" then you will be seen as "in the group" and "cool" and you for the most part won't have problems with women related to that "world."

Social dynamics is how a group of chess club members or church members or whatever communicate with each other. In other words, there's NON-VERBAL rules of behavior that are considered normal and cool, if you fit into those rules you will be seen as normal and cool, THUS, as long as you have a sense of confidence to talk to women (and you will for the most part because you fit in and feel more comfortable) you won't have problems with women of that particular area.

You can be a MAN, a strong real MAN, and STILL not do that very well with women as a whole because you seem to not understand nor fit in with the social dynamics of an area.

 

[Luminescence]

''75 % female and 25 % male'' ? :crackup:

 

[Trader]

But this is the problem, WHO defines masculinity?

Nature.

 

[The Message Boy]

^^^ And Nature is defined in A THOUSAND different ways depending on who you are talking to!

Some of you guys just need to leave the forum for awhile lol, the keyboard jockeying is getting out of control.

 

[Jitterbug]

Some of you guys just need to leave the forum for awhile lol, the keyboard jockeying is getting out of control.

Says the guy who created this thread? http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=165652

 

[The Message Boy]

^^^ And lol? Talking about issues from my childhood is not keyboard jockeying.

 

[Speculator E]

I'm curious, how exactly do you measure or estimate something like 70%M, 30%F?

Here's an online test that measures that:

http://www.mysticgames.com/mysticgames_cfmfiles/tests/showtest.cfm?TestID=29

 

[Jitterbug]

^^^ And lol? Talking about issues from my childhood is not keyboard jockeying.

You have hardly got your own sh!t together. Stop preaching here as if you're some superstar.

 

[The Message Boy]

Jitterbug says,

You have hardly got your own sh!t together. Stop preaching here as if you're some superstar.

Ha! I didn't make the thread claiming to know "The Fundamental Law of Sexual Attraction." What's wrong, losing the agrument on the topic so you try to stoop down to personal attacks? Suit yourself.

 

[radiodude]

Soccer ?
A doubtful inclusion. You ever hear that Beckman guy talk ?.

LOL!!

 

[Trader]

The Message Boy
But this is the problem, WHO defines masculinity?

Nature

^^^ And Nature is defined in A THOUSAND different ways depending on who you are talking to!

Everyone has their own interpretation of what masculinity is.

But there is only one correct *interpretation* so to speak, and that is the masculinity that nature intended

There is something *fundamental* about masculinity, that is not related to culture, political correctness, or personal beliefs.

My goal is to find out what masculinity exactly is, and to embrace it to the fullest extent.

If there is no real definition for masculinity, and that anything goes, why do you often hear:

Girls say: 'He is not man enough for me.'

Guys say: 'Hey, you need to man up.'

So when people say those things, such as "Be a man" they are just spouting off their own personal interpretation of masculinity which really is meaningless in a broader context since it's just THEIR definition?

No.

There is something more fundamental here, a universal law of masculinity at work so to speak.

Now, you might say: 'Everything is relative, there are no universal truths when it comes to sexual attraction, it's all context dependent.'

I know when it comes to sexual attraction, there are many variables at hand, I understand that it is ridiculous to say: 'Oh there is a law, where if you do X, and Y, she will fall in love with you.

But I believe there are a FEW universal laws here at work.

For example - 'I am the Prize mentality.' If you believe you are the Prize to be won, girls will pick up on that. This mentality is universally attractive, no ifs ands or buts. The person who is more desperate to get into a relationship obviously has a disadvantage in the mating game. This is a basic principle.

There is a universal definition of masculinity just like there is a universal law for gravity.

 

[slaog]

But this is the problem, WHO defines masculinity? Depending on who you talk to you have a number of different definitions for masculinity and what it really means to be a man. Most of the definitions are directly related to the specific culture and social dynamics in play in the area.

Sosuave has a definition.
Church has a defintion
Wallstreet has a definition
Feminists have a definition
Republicans have a definition
Democrats, and so on.

For example, the definition of masculinitiy in the ghetto might be a guy that's more rough and able to handle shooting, gang fights, etc.

The definition of masculinity in a nicer part of town might be a guy with alot of money.

The definition of masculinity back in the early humans days might be a guy that could properly go out and obtain food and hunt.

The definition changes based on the cultural background and surroundings you are interacting with. Different people see it differently, and there's no one universal answer for "What is Masculinity?" "What is a Man?"

You're overcomplicating it. You're right that alot of people have different definitions but as we all know, most people have not got a clue this days. They see guys on tv doing AFC things and getting the girl in the end. Its also un PC these days to be masculine because thats treating women like women and not like men.

slaog, this is clue you don't know what you are talking about. Ok, what is an AFC? Average Frustrated Chump, what does that mean? The original concept came from the Speed Seducers who focused on tips/techniques/gimmicks to get women into bed FAST, and they termed a guy that couldn't GET LAID as average (because most guys in their opinion were in his situaiton), frustrated (because the guy couldn't get his needs met), and a chump (because in their eyes because the guy couldn't get laid he's obviously a loser).

In other words, AFC is not related to being a Man AT ALL. AFC is related to not getting laid. Can you be a real, true MAN and also on the other hand NOT know how to spark serious attraction in women?

Think about that one, I would think the answer is yes.

I know many great guys like soliders, police officers, firemen, that couldn't spark serious attraction in a woman if they paid her lol. They are real men, strong men, but when it comes to women they have no idea how to turn her on.

Turning a woman on is more related to charisma, communication, and understanding them and more less related to BEING A MAN. Matter of fact, BEING A MAN, actually plays less a part in the equation then you think it does IN TODAY'S WORLD. This might not have been true in our early days, but it is now.

The spark would come naturally. Everything you'd do would be congruent and the women would pick up on that and be attracted to you. And congruent is the key word here. A truely masculine man is always masculine. He isn't masculine if he is ordering teenagers about as he manages a shop and then acts all AFC when he meets a woman he likes.


There are female police officers, soldiers etc so you don't have to be masculine to have those careers. That doesn't mean they are masculine. I know soldiers who are AFC in many ways but still good soldiers.

You have social dynamics confused with entertainment. TV is entertainment, it shows a sense of reality mixed with imagination, but it's NOT reality. Duh. Come on slaog lol, you know that.

Social dynamics is how a group of frat boys and girls communicate with each other. If you understand that and sort of tailor yourself to that "world" then you will be seen as "in the group" and "cool" and you for the most part won't have problems with women related to that "world."


You can be a MAN, a strong real MAN, and STILL not do that very well with women as a whole because you seem to not understand nor fit in with the social dynamics of an area.

So basically you're saying to be one of the sheep. Do as others do and be nice to people so they'll like you. Thats classic AFC behaviour.