The food is making us fat in the USA

[Scaramouche]

Hi Bible Belt,
"...The Chinese feed their farmed fish fresh manure, whatever is easiest to get...pig sh1t...duck/chicken sh1t..."Oh but you missed the main ingredient "Night Soil"Human crap....The Council comes round and pumps the stuff out of holding tanks in Public Toilets,sells it to the Peasants.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think the foods that people intentionally choose to eat in this country, are more poisonous (read: fattening) than in others.

The FDA is garbage and so are their nutritional recommendations, I'll concede that.

People think the FDA is there to protect consumers when it's really there to cause long lasting, slow declining health issues to force people onto drugs for the rest of their life.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

We were talking about government sources… you cited Time Magazine. Theres nothing like a good story!

My browser shows Peta, Animal Wellness Institute, and so forth with such articles. When it comes to actual academic sources, theres nothing I see suggesting farmed fish is any more toxic than any other animal meat consumed in the USA. The EPA has an extensive section on fish with links to their testing results.



I eat wild fish at home. Mostly because it is significantly leaner. Easier to overlook though so I have to cook it (my wife habitually overcooks meat). Regarding farmed fish, it is all that is available in most restaurants.

I just used that Time article cause it was the first thing on the first page of a long list of sources I came across. I also see tons of other sources that are academic, like the National institute of health, UCLA health, European parliament. If you searched "farmed fish + toxic" like I have you will see this, or you're just being contrarian.

I looked at the EPA link and fact is it says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about farmed fish so I don't even know why you put that there, while the Time (a highly respected publication) article (not "story") clearly states how much research was put into it.
Again, I just think you're cherry picking your sources and just up for a debate.

What I do agree is your choice to purchase wild seafood, I commend you and encourage your wise choice, and that many restaurants and seafood suppliers push farmed fish to the public. A misguided support of an industry that promotes itself on the premise of a good alternative to the overfishing(a sad reality) that has gone on for hundreds of years. This is why I mainly eat fish I have caught myself, don't eat seafood at restaurants, and know that the concept of sustainable fishing is by far better for ourselves and the planet than the product of fish factories, and the harm it does to our bodies and environment.

Sermon over.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I just used that Time article cause it was the first thing on the first page of a long list of sources I came across. I also see tons of other sources that are academic, like the National institute of health, UCLA health, European parliament. If you searched "farmed fish + toxic" like I have you will see this, or you're just being contrarian.

Farmed fish + toxic yields a slew of articles from animal rights groups. I haven’t found anything from academic sources that support the idea that farmed fish is toxic for human health. There are concerns and a multitude studies that examine contaminant levels but nothing rises to the level of “toxic - do not eat” (with the exception of large predatory fish like shark). At least, nothing as damning as the studies showing meat with respect to carcinogens or similar “big cattle,” “big poultry,” and “big pork” studies that cite similar concerns. Not being contrarian, just think calling a food toxic is a serious accusation.

What I do agree is your choice to purchase wild seafood, I commend you and encourage your wise choice, and that many restaurants and seafood suppliers push farmed fish to the public.

Certainly prefer wild fish. Even the taste and color is different. Leaner because they spend their lives actually swimming. I think an overlooked benefit of wild caught fish is that they eat actual marine vegetation and phytoplankton, thus the true source of omega-3. Farmed fish if I’m not mistaken are eating fish oil supplements?

 

[ManFromTartarus]

Certainly prefer wild fish. Even the taste and color is different. Leaner because they spend their lives actually swimming. I think an overlooked benefit of wild caught fish is that they eat actual marine vegetation and phytoplankton, thus the true source of omega-3. Farmed fish if I’m not mistaken are eating fish oil supplements?

Absolutely this!! Trust your tastebuds and mother nature.

They're leaner not from just swimming, but hunting, evading predators, and living by the rhythms of the ocean & nature. Nothing beats the food chain laid down by a millennium of evolution.

Most fish farms feed pellets of ground fish byproducts (the leftover carcasses of other fish, mostly skeletal /skin, and mainly from tuna, a fish known for high concentration of toxins) so that's how they have high concentrations of contaminants in farmed fish.

It's business, and you must already know that profit is the main driving factor, and low overhead (cheap feed) is a big part of that equation. So doing anything publicity wise to make what they do look good is what they're going to do.

 

[Pandora]

I think the foods that people intentionally choose to eat in this country, are more poisonous (read: fattening) than in others.

The FDA is garbage and so are their nutritional recommendations, I'll concede that.

Fair enough

 

[EyeBRollin]

Most fish farms feed pellets of ground fish byproducts (the leftover carcasses of other fish, mostly skeletal /skin, and mainly from tuna, a fish known for high concentration of toxins) so that's how they have high concentrations of contaminants in farmed fish.

Maybe the memo should get out to Salmon Queen. She’s allegedly been eating pounds of farmed salmon daily for years.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Farmed fish + toxic yields a slew of articles from animal rights groups. I haven’t found anything from academic sources that support the idea that farmed fish is toxic for human health. There are concerns and a multitude studies that examine contaminant levels but nothing rises to the level of “toxic - do not eat” (with the exception of large predatory fish like shark). At least, nothing as damning as the studies showing meat with respect to carcinogens or similar “big cattle,” “big poultry,” and “big pork” studies that cite similar concerns. Not being contrarian, just think calling a food toxic is a serious accusation.



Certainly prefer wild fish. Even the taste and color is different. Leaner because they spend their lives actually swimming. I think an overlooked benefit of wild caught fish is that they eat actual marine vegetation and phytoplankton, thus the true source of omega-3. Farmed fish if I’m not mistaken are eating fish oil supplements?

Why would fish be any different than beef, chicken, pork, eggs, etc when it comes to nutritional profiles and pro-inflammatory compounds related to farmed versus free range organic?

Animals that cannot move properly and don't eat their normal diet are no different than humans that sit around all day. It negatively effects your entire body leading to pro-inflammatory compounds being much more prevalent.

They may not have "proof" this is the case with fish, but instinctively we should know that is the case.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

Maybe the memo should get out to Salmon Queen. She’s allegedly been eating pounds of farmed salmon daily for years.

The real "salmon queen"s are native American women from the Pacific northwest, not some unhealthy chick that buys her fish from Miami where there aren't any salmon for thousands of miles.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

FYI salmon is naturally pink not orange.




... and if that doesn't clear things up for you, just take a look at the actual creature.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Why would fish be any different than beef, chicken, pork, eggs, etc when it comes to nutritional profiles and pro-inflammatory compounds related to farmed versus free range organic?

There’s no evidence saying it is any different. However, fish being high vitamin D and Omega-3 we can speculate may be counteracting some or much of the pro-inflammatory aspects. Farmed fish actually contains more Omega-3 than its wild counterparts due to higher fat content. Though as mentioned in a pervious post, I would still rather get it from the wild population that we know is directly eating their natural intended diet.

 

[ManFromTartarus]

Tell me you don't know the difference between atlantic salmon and pacific salmon, without telling me you don't know the difference.

Also, you should google to see if salmon swim in fresh or salt water, then report back and tell me how accurate that infographic is.

As I stated before, I have some experience on this subject.


- Atlantic is the only species of salmon that has been viable for commercial aquaculture, Pacific has not.
- Wild Atlantic is one of the most depleted of the salmon species.
- Most salmon, Atlantic or Pacific live part of their lives in fresh and salt water, unless landlocked.

.... and fresh or saltwater has nothing to do with that infographic. Color additives do.
I don't need to Google anything & I hope that clears things up for you.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

There’s no evidence saying it is any different. However, fish being high vitamin D and Omega-3 we can speculate may be counteracting some or much of the pro-inflammatory aspects. Farmed fish actually contains more Omega-3 than its wild counterparts due to higher fat content. Though as mentioned in a pervious post, I would still rather get it from the wild population that we know is directly eating their natural intended diet.

That's actually wrong. The Omega 6:Omega 3 ratio is what's important, not the amount of Omega 3. Farmed fish have a much higher Omega 6 ratio than wild.

This is the same issue in farmed beef versus free range grass fed beef.

 

[EyeBRollin]

That's actually wrong. The Omega 6:Omega 3 ratio is what's important, not the amount of Omega 3. Farmed fish have a much higher Omega 6 ratio than wild.

Correct, the fat profile is different between the two. However, the point was that because it is fish, thus still high in vitamin D and omega 3, that may be counteracting the pro-inflammatory effects.