The First Step

[Professor Booty]

I stumbled across this great quote from the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer:

"A woman (with certain exceptions which need not be mentioned) will not take the first step with a man; for in spite of all the beauty she may have, she risks a refusal. A man may be ill in mind or body, or busy, or gloomy, and so not care for advances; and a refusal would be a blow to her vanity. But as soon as he takes the first step, and helps her over this danger, he stands on a footing of equality with her, and will generally find her quite tractable."

This was written in the 1850s. Some things never change.

 

[Piers Nivens]

I'm kinda not my normal self atm, can u break it dien for me what it means

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Another way of looking at why it's still generally expected of men to make the first move and approach, initiate and ask out

 

[hudpes]

Women are in their essence cowards, they don't expose themselves, are indirect, hiding behind infinite excuses and lying is her second nature, they react. Men act, roar as they go into battle, and are expected, in order to be regarded as a suitable mate, to be responsible, bold, and to provide sense of security. A man that doesn't stand up for himself, will unlikely stand up for others, a man that doesn't make a step will likely stand still in his bubble of security and grind the same worthless job and live in the same mediocre apartment. Making the first step is masculine behavior, and women expect it and find it attractive. A woman making the first step is seen as sexually aggressive and a man wonders if she's doing this all the time, having ****ed half the town and also feels less of a man, because she assumed his role and he's empty handed and can just say yes, of course I'll have sex with you. But this won't really work and it happens very seldom.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Women are in their essence cowards, they don't expose themselves, are indirect, hiding behind infinite excuses and lying is her second nature, they react. Men act, roar as they go into battle, and are expected, in order to be regarded as a suitable mate, to be responsible, bold, and to provide sense of security. A man that doesn't stand up for himself, will unlikely stand up for others, a man that doesn't make a step will likely stand still in his bubble of security and grind the same worthless job and live in the same mediocre apartment. Making the first step is masculine behavior, and women expect it and find it attractive. A woman making the first step is seen as sexually aggressive and a man wonders if she's doing this all the time, having ****ed half the town and also feels less of a man, because she assumed his role and he's empty handed and can just say yes, of course I'll have sex with you. But this won't really work and it happens very seldom.

its a card we have to accept and deal with

 

[Stagger Lee]

I stumbled across this great quote from the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer:

"A woman (with certain exceptions which need not be mentioned) will not take the first step with a man; for in spite of all the beauty she may have, she risks a refusal. A man may be ill in mind or body, or busy, or gloomy, and so not care for advances; and a refusal would be a blow to her vanity. But as soon as he takes the first step, and helps her over this danger, he stands on a footing of equality with her, and will generally find her quite tractable."

This was written in the 1850s. Some things never change.

The part that men are required to make the first move hasn't changed, but after the approach, " stands on a footing of equality with her, and will generally find her quite tractable." sure as hell changed.

Now thanks to feminism, rather than being tractable and on equal footing, women oftentimes act like a guy who approaches (they're not attracted to, ie 70% of the male population) is more like a "creepy" rapist. And you have 6-10 guys chasing every females. It's no wonder most "single" women are just a plate for a small percentage of men.

You'd have to be kidding yourself to think courting women hasn't changed in 50 years let alone 150 years.

 

[finickywake]

Dude, I didn't even realize you had posted this. I just posted a Schopenhauer thread.

 

[VladPatton]

Schopenhauer is one popular mofo lately.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

The part that men are required to make the first move hasn't changed, but after the approach, " stands on a footing of equality with her, and will generally find her quite tractable." sure as hell changed.

Now thanks to feminism, rather than being tractable and on equal footing, women oftentimes act like a guy who approaches (they're not attracted to, ie 70% of the male population) is more like a "creepy" rapist. And you have 6-10 guys chasing every females. It's no wonder most "single" women are just a plate for a small percentage of men.

You'd have to be kidding yourself to think courting women hasn't changed in 50 years let alone 150 years.

Agreed, Dan Bacon of the Modern Man explains it perfectly

 

[Professor Booty]

The part that men are required to make the first move hasn't changed, but after the approach, " stands on a footing of equality with her, and will generally find her quite tractable." sure as hell changed.

Now thanks to feminism, rather than being tractable and on equal footing, women oftentimes act like a guy who approaches (they're not attracted to, ie 70% of the male population) is more like a "creepy" rapist. And you have 6-10 guys chasing every females. It's no wonder most "single" women are just a plate for a small percentage of men.

You'd have to be kidding yourself to think courting women hasn't changed in 50 years let alone 150 years.

I won't disagree with that but I would argue that while society has certainly changed, the fundamental nature of women, broadly speaking, has not. Feminists talk a big game but the female desire for a man who leads and takes the risks that they don't want to take themselves is still strong in them. I have a friend who's a very outspoken feminist. She was single for a long time but recently started going out with this Iranian dude. Needless to say, he has a very different idea of a women's place in society. He's constantly saying politically incorrect things but while she bickers with him about it she basically takes it. They seem like an odd couple but I think it just comes down to the fact that he wasn't intimidated by her and so was able to pursue her with enough persistence to win her over. He's average height and looks so I doubt there is some overwhelming physical attraction there. Hardly a "bad boy" either, just some guy that had enough balls to ask her out, make a move and so on.

Another anecdote along those lines - I saw a documentary about dating in ultra-feminist Sweden where they asked a Swedish woman what she thought about Swedish men. She said, "Let me put it this way - I would prefer to marry a Swede, but I'd rather have an Italian lover."

 

[Stagger Lee]

I won't disagree with that but I would argue that while society has certainly changed, the fundamental nature of women, broadly speaking, has not. Feminists talk a big game but the female desire for a man who leads and takes the risks that they don't want to take themselves is still strong in them. I have a friend who's a very outspoken feminist. She was single for a long time but recently started going out with this Iranian dude. Needless to say, he has a very different idea of a women's place in society. He's constantly saying politically incorrect things but while she bickers with him about it she basically takes it. They seem like an odd couple but I think it just comes down to the fact that he wasn't intimidated by her and so was able to pursue her with enough persistence to win her over. He's average height and looks so I doubt there is some overwhelming physical attraction there. Hardly a "bad boy" either, just some guy that had enough balls to ask her out, make a move and so on.

Another anecdote along those lines - I saw a documentary about dating in ultra-feminist Sweden where they asked a Swedish woman what she thought about Swedish men. She said, "Let me put it this way - I would prefer to marry a Swede, but I'd rather have an Italian lover."

I agree that feminism goes against nature and most females natural inclinations, but modern society has people brainwashed into doing and believing all kinds of unnatural things. Women have changed for all practical purposes. I all have to do is looking at people from my mom's pre baby boomer generation and contrast that with my older sister's.

 

[Zarky]

I'm still waiting for feminism to get them over this hurdle so they can start initiating sex with me

Though I do have to say, I'm fairly happy that chicks don't "pursue" men. Knowing my luck, all the fuglies in town would be approaching me and asking for my digits. Could you imagine having to brush off fuglies whenever you wanted to go out and get your sh*t done for the day?

 

[JaegerPilot217]

I'm still waiting for feminism to get them over this hurdle so they can start initiating sex with me

Though I do have to say, I'm fairly happy that chicks don't "pursue" men. Knowing my luck, all the fuglies in town would be approaching me and asking for my digits. Could you imagine having to brush off fuglies whenever you wanted to go out and get your sh*t done for the day?

Ya I guess it goes back to the saying "beggars can't be choosers"

 

[Stagger Lee]

I'm still waiting for feminism to get them over this hurdle so they can start initiating sex with me

Though I do have to say, I'm fairly happy that chicks don't "pursue" men. Knowing my luck, all the fuglies in town would be approaching me and asking for my digits. Could you imagine having to brush off fuglies whenever you wanted to go out and get your sh*t done for the day?

I don't know how someone can misinterpret the results of feminism as much as you. Feminism increased hypergamy, women still sometimes initiate but thanks to feminism only with very attractive guys.

Feminism gave you less sex with less attractive girls, not the other way around. But I guess to you having sex 50-60 times or whatever in your lifetime with 50-60 UGs after all those hours chasing the puss is a better deal than banging the same HB7-9 thousands of times.

You know before feminism, there were still some easy girls and people sometimes had premarital sex. Feminism may have provided some benefit to guys who are 8+ but it sure didn't benefit guys like you.

 

[Zarky]

But I guess to you having sex 50-60 times or whatever in your lifetime with 50-60 UGs after all those hours chasing the puss is a better deal than banging the same HB7-9 thousands of times.

That is correct. I'd get bored with a 9 within a few months at most. I don't care if it's Jessica Alba from a decade ago, after plowing her from every angle a few times, I'm over it.

You know before feminism, there were still some easy girls and people sometimes had premarital sex. Feminism may have provided some benefit to guys who are 8+ but it sure didn't benefit guys like you.

I'm not the jealous type. If 8+ dudes are out there getting laid thanks to the "new world order," I'm all for it. Remember I pioneered the concept of Pass the P*ssy Forward. I'm not selfish, nor do I hold grudges against guys who have better genetics than myself.

I just can't envision any other time in human history when a poor shmuck like me could bang as many women with as little investment as I have. Granted, they're 4s through 6s, but I don't give a ****. I like new p*ssy.

If you're an average guy dreaming for a HB9 to marry and devote your life to, then tough sh*t, it ain't gonna happen. Sorry, boo hoo.

 

[Stagger Lee]

That is correct. I'd get bored with a 9 within a few months at most. I don't care if it's Jessica Alba from a decade ago, after plowing her from every angle a few times, I'm over it.


I'm not the jealous type. If 8+ dudes are out there getting laid thanks to the "new world order," I'm all for it. Remember I pioneered the concept of Pass the P*ssy Forward. I'm not selfish, nor do I hold grudges against guys who have better genetics than myself.

I just can't envision any other time in human history when a poor shmuck like me could bang as many women with as little investment as I have. Granted, they're 4s through 6s, but I don't give a ****. I like new p*ssy.

If you're an average guy dreaming for a HB9 to marry and devote your life to, then tough sh*t, it ain't gonna happen. Sorry, boo hoo.

Do you really think it's any easier to bang older and ugly hags today than it was even in the 50's when less men were doing it?

Anyway, different strokes for different folks, but I don't think you ever had an attractive girl. It certainly isn't more exciting to me to bang one different unattractive girl after another. I just think you're making your necessity a virtue.

But, I'll let you have it. If have sexually odd tastes, gay lesbian or transgender, today might be a better time. But if you value sleeping with the hottest girl you can get and her being low milage, loyal and subservient then this is the worst of times.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

Here is the video in which Dan Bacon of the Modern Man, explains initially in the beginning of how women are different today:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZCaN5_BlEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BpIp_UJv48

 

[Longshot]

I personally prefer Hegel over Schopenhaur, but the man was right with this general observation. But also I have known some gals to take the first step. Good quote, cheers.

 

[JaegerPilot217]

oops, forgot to put this video by Dan Bacon: starts at 3:40 about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8l6D4ag4ug

 

[Zarky]

But if you value sleeping with the hottest girl you can get and her being low milage, loyal and subservient then this is the worst of times.

I can't disagree with that at all. However, that would require me to undertake a traditional male role, which generally involves working. Like, a job. I want none of that.

I f*ck newly divorced women while drinking booze that their ex-husbands bought for me with their alimony checks. A couple of generations ago, a guy like me would have been run out of town. These days, it's all gravy.