The FACTS about your looks...

[nismo-4]

Duffdog said it best! Thank God not everyone on this site is delusional.

I don't know how the f**k he gets the whole process worded out the way he does, but the interesting thing is that now I can put this sh*t into words that I understand. He's a realist beyond measure and spits the truth. Point. Blank. Period. When you go against reality, reality wins.

I may have argued with him when he states that looks don't matter. But not no more cuz I watched how women pick men and it proves that looks matter.

If you're a 5 on the looks scale, you cannot keep a 10 unless you're rich or famous. The girl would not feel right being a dime who can damn sure have every sexy guy in New Orleans and she brings an ugly guy who is unemployed to meet her family or to a social event. She'll dump that guy in half a blink if a better looking guy comes along, unless the current guy got money or status.

There is one other thing Duffdog forgot to mention, your car can be a helpful factor too! The better and classier of a car you got, the better and classier of a woman you can get and possibly keep. Conversely, the uglier and poorer you are, the uglier and poorer of a woman you get to keep.

Women are biologically programmed to go for wealth, good genes, and stability. Average guys have to try, because they're not in the upper echelon of men who get the best women on demand. Average guys just gotta take the upper echelon's sloppy seconds and hope they'll bite. Haven't you guys heard of the show "Average Joe"? There was 10+ Average guys going for a dime and they all tried hard to win her over. It took a long time to do it. But they brought in 3 guys with beach bods and the dime's head turned instantly and the attraction process was supercharged! In the end, there was one Average Joe and one Beach Bod. Now who the f**k do you think won?

BTW, the upper echelon of men CLEARLY have lots of options, whereas the average guy can only fake it. It's all about instant gratification. Just about all girls 5+ have lots of options. Girls need only worry about being beautiful. Guys need only worry about being rich.

When you're trying to get an attractive woman without trying, you need looks, status, or wealth! Stop being f**king delusional! Pick one or more of those 3 and roll with it! Sh*t!

Finally, PUA sites make their money by saying that you can have a woman no matter how much money you have or how short/ bald/ old/ fat/ ugly you are. This is false hope at best and is complete bullsh*t to the 20th power!

 

[nismo-4]

Lol "Looks,Status,Wealth." That's so retarded lmao, I suppose 10000 footballer's wives were interviewed to get that saying?

Anyway, you're right, average guys are fvcked. As in, the guys who have nothing special about them. I think the most important from the holy trinity is status, followed by looks, but if someone has extreme wealth that overrides everything.

Now of course, you can have an attractive personality and say a big fvck you to all three.

Wolf, your post was marvelous all the way to the last sentence.

How will personality get you laid if you don't have the holy trinity? As in, your personality can shine only if you're given the chance to make it shine.

Average guys should work on getting their first million. Personality isn't enough to offer these days. This is 2009 folks, not 1980!

 

[edger]

Nismo-4:

WE(who claim looks don't matter to most attractive women) are delusional? If looks mattered so much to women, then how come Playgirl is mostly purchased by gay guys? When do you ever hear of a woman masturbating to a hot guy in a magazine??? It's unheard of. Why? Again, because looks don't phase most women. If attraction worked the same way for women, they'd be investing tons of money on magazines like Playgirl. Anything any of you would like to say about that?

And the women who ARE phased by a man's looks, usually don't get quite phased the way we do when we see a hot chick. This is yet another way attraction works differently for them. For example: The woman usually doesn't start getting a wet throbbing vagina and usually start thinking about various sexual things she'd like to do to him. Yeah, she'll be phased that he's hot, but not to the degree that guys are when they see a hot woman. The guys good-looks will only get him in the door, that's usually all it's guaranteed to do at this point. The rest from there depends on lots of other factors. It's all as simple as that.

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

Women are indeed fazed by looks.

But they are not as obsessed with looks as we are.

 

[Duffdog]

Duffdog, I wanna get one thing straight here(forgot to include it in my response up top) in regards to your statement on "misplaced confidence":

"In your case, it honestly sounds like you have a case of "misplaced confidence." Where you are super confident but have nothing to be confident in. This is a common occurrence in PUA groups."

So I can't be confident solely because I'm a cool, kick-ass, laid-back, fun, outgoing, adventerous, humorous guy?

You are really pressing the issue aren't you? The honest, real answer to your question is...no. I think that the only reason you believe this crap is because some PUA guru sold you that story instead of telling you the tear-jerking story that is real life. A total loser can 'say' that he is all of those things and really believe it in his heart, but he will just get manipulated and abused even more than the 'losers' because the females recognize that what you are putting forward is nothing more than a front. You are trying to take a shortcut and go right for the end result without putting in all the work required to get that result. Keep in mind that the labels you give yourself are not necessarily equal to the labels a female might give you. Let me assist you in that regard by defining what these labels mean to a hot girl:

Cool-- guy who has his own speedboat
Kick ass-- guy who rides streetbikes
laid-back-- marijuana dealer
fun-- guy who can walk past the line and get the girl into any club
outgoing-- guy who brings 2 hot girls with him to the club and has a booth
adventurous-- guy she met while hiking in Hawaii/dancing in Ibiza
humorous-- this one is hard to fake, but consider how many girls "being funny" has allowed you to have sex with. Not that many, huh.



Well I've got news for ya, all of that that I just listed, is the basis and foundation of confidence.
No, that is the basis for misplaced confidence. Notice how girls see right through it and manipulate you? Why do you think that is?


I have to be making 150 grand a year or play in a well-known local band, or be a well-known local Promoter or DJ(Disk Jockey) in the club scene for my self-confidence to count?

So you are telling me that if you were any of those things, you wouldn't have a much better chance of getting laid? Of course you would. You already know that, you just don't 'want' to believe it. Its never too late to start not being a loser.


Ridiculous. Lol. While I agree that money and status can enhance self-confidence, I highly disagree with you that other forms of self-confidence like the ones I listed, aren't credible. Jeez man, you might as well have a death-plan incase the Well(money pool) goes dry on you or you loose your status. I sure wouldn't want to be Duffdog if that happens.

Here's the problem: If you were Duffdog, you would never worry about that happening because Duffdog has real confidence and is actually the guy accomplishing all his goals and fvcking the women he wants to. But, the real issue is that you are afraid of losing something that you don't even have yet. You don't have wealth or success and you are concerned about what you will do when it gets taken from you? WTF?

And as for your second post,

the majority of women that I have hooked up with or have crossed paths with, have done nothing but try to use me for their own selfish advantage.
This is because you are a fake. The girls can see it. Stop being a fake and all your troubles will go away.


Instead of these women telling me, "Listen dude, you're a cool guy, but I'm just not feeling it with us both" or just not calling me anymore and cutting all contact with me, these women had to go a step further and d*cktease and string me along(or at least tried to before I caught on to their games).

I'm starting to see a pattern. This sounds like what an AFC experiences when he talks to women. It looks like your approach of being confident without actually being anything desirable is not working. Maybe you should try something else.

Another example of these attention wh*res: over the summer, I had some hot stupid c*nt smile at me several times at my regular hangout, then when I tried bullsh*ting with her, she blew me off.
How many blow offs will it take before you change? I'm betting that if you choose not to change, you will be the next 50yr old guy to shoot a bunch of girls in a gym.

I mean, really, these types of things are just not cool.
And you are POSITIVE that its not your fault at all? Its all the girls fault, huh!

I have no problem whatsoever with a woman not feeling me or not physically being attracted to me, but if you're not interested, I'd appreciate you don't waste my time, and most of all, yours.
All girls like attention. It seems like you don't have anything to offer these girls, so they use you for attention and leave. After all, what are you going to do about it?

Get a life, seriously, lol. Some people really have nothing better to do and sure take the cake of the "loser" pile.
Oh, wow. Seriously. You are calling hot girls who reject you "losers"...whoa. I am surprised by the depth of your self-reinforcing BS. You actually think that you were "too good" for these women as a way of preserving your ego, when in actuality, you are just not good enough for them. This is not rocket science. The attractiveness of a girl is her currency. The hotter she is, the more choices she has. If you had the choice between any girl you could have-- would you pick an ugly girl or the hottest one you could find? Now applying that to men, hot girls want the best total package they can find-- I'm sure that you have heard of the "bigger better deal". Well, sorry to let you in on a little secret, but that is REAL. Girls want the biggest, best deal they can score before their looks fade away and the number of choices they have approaches zero. It is the responsibility of the male to control the largest amount of natural resources he can so that his offspring have the greatest chance of success. Your approach is equivalent to owning a civic and affixing Mercedes-Benz S500 emblems on it. You ain't fooling anyone.

 

[Duffdog]

Nismo-4:

WE(who claim looks don't matter to most attractive women) are delusional? If looks mattered so much to women, then how come Playgirl is mostly purchased by gay guys? When do you ever hear of a woman masturbating to a hot guy in a magazine??? It's unheard of. Why? Again, because looks don't phase most women. If attraction worked the same way for women, they'd be investing tons of money on magazines like Playgirl. Anything any of you would like to say about that?
For your information, women are the largest consumer of adult books and videos in the world. They make porn for girls, lots and lots and lots and lots of it...trust me on this one. Your inexperience is showing through in your posts.


And the women who ARE phased by a man's looks, usually don't get quite phased the way we do when we see a hot chick. This is yet another way attraction works differently for them. For example: The woman usually doesn't start getting a wet throbbing vagina and usually start thinking about various sexual things she'd like to do to him.

WHAT THE F%^K ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!??!?!?!?!!? This has got to be the most pussified, dipsh1tiest, wrongest, faggotiest, thing I have ever read on the entire internet...EVER! In the presence of a desirable male, women trip and fall over things, they get wet in public, they start shaking, they can't think strait, they fidget, their mind goes blank and sometimes they blush uncontrollably. I have had women do every one of those things in my presence when I was younger. An attractive male causes MORE violent physical and mental reactions in women than the equivalent reaction does in males. Why? Because the two hemispheres of the female brain are more strongly connected, meaning that women are less able to separate their emotions from their logical side. An attractive male creates an overload on both hemispheres of the female brain, causing uncontrollable reactions in some cases. If you have never seen this in your life, or you have never had a woman openly admit to you that "you made me so hot I had to go home and masturbate for an hour", then you truly have not experienced being a desirable male. I will go so far as to say that you have not truly lived yet.

Yeah, she'll be phased that he's hot, but not to the degree that guys are when they see a hot woman.

I would love to know what you are basing the Bullsh1t on.

The guys good-looks will only get him in the door, that's usually all it's guaranteed to do at this point. The rest from there depends on lots of other factors. It's all as simple as that.

Ok, so explain your continual failures mr. "knows everything about women"

omg

 

[FutureSpartan]

Well at least the "does money matters?" debate is settled

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=169089

 

[PappyS]

There is so much b.s. in this thread I don't know where to begin. Here are just a few.

1. Skin color: it isn't true that lighter skin was favored everywhere. It was favored in some places but not in others. For example traditional aristocracy/royalty in many parts of Africa are very dark-skinned people. Today light skin is favored everywhere because of the influence of the European beauty standard. But this wasn't the case before. African women now bleach their skin for the same reason some East Asian women have surgery to make their eyes look more like European.

2. Women aren't the main consumers of pornography. Women buy romance novels and watch soap operas. Men are the ones who buy porn that is purely about visuals with no plot or drama. This should be a clear indication that men are more interested in visuals.

3. Women aren't interested in wealth per se. They're into social status, which may be indicated by wealth.

4. Women don't want stability. They like drama. That's why they watch those corny soap operas. Stability is boring.

5. Good looks can help men get laid. So can fame. A nice car. And a lot of other things.

 

[flint]

Honestly before I reply to this I don't understand what the big fuss is about. Once you've done EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to look your best (working out, finding the right style), there's nothing you can possibly do about this anyways, but I digress.

It's always been my impression that if you're good looking it just requires way less work to get laid, I think everyone here knows that. At the same token, if you've got no game, or don't have the confidence to be cold approaching though then no matter what you do you're still going to go home alone end of the night.

I think all that having tight game does is essentially give you the CHANCE to be hooking up/meeting the right girl/whatever it is you're looking for. It opens the door. If you've got tight game and you're great looking compared to a guy with equal game, then you'll win everytime, but the point is you have to have some degree of skill in this area if you want a chance.

And I think that's what this forum is for anyways. A lot of people who come here to begin with, REGARDLESS of their looks, status, anything, have absolutely NO GAME. That's why when some people start their journals and such they get good at this fast because their looks or whatever are in alignment. Some people just need amazing game before they start pulling because they don't have the status or whatever.

All in all yeah if you've got the looks, this whole department of your life is/will be way easier, I don't think anyone can deny that at least. Even from an inner game perspective you've got a boost on your confidence. But having good game period opens the door.

This game is like poker. We've all got different hands we're dealt with, some better some worse. But if you know how to play the game, and you've learned the ins and outs your odds go up. You won't win every hand but you'll begin to see a higher rate of return.

 

[DonGorgon]

So now we have the classic optimists vs pessimists vs realists face off in this thread..

The facts are:

1. Looks matter

2. Looks make women more receptive to your other traits (eg. game)

3. Looks increase speed of seduction and sex due to #2

4. U can compensate for look with other traits but it takes alot of those "other traits" to get a lay as quick as they guy with the looks.

5. If your other traits are really bad most women will still F you if you are cute but they will not try to get to know you which is good or bad depending on you objective that night..lol

6. everyone wants cute mates, even ugly people.. but ugly women have more options than ugly men cause there is a shortage of women. (that many men deny ...lol)

 

[Exhumed]

In response to flint, I'd say attractiveness and the right lifestyle give you the chance to hook up, and game and confidence is what seals the deal.

Even before I did any work on my appearance I got a few opportunities to have sex with beautiful girls, and I failed because I had no idea what I was doing and also became afraid of "losing" the girl. Now that I've fixed myself up and found confidence I notice a lot more IOIs from girls...however my lifestyle of smoking pot in my dorm with my close friends hasn't gotten me laid, so I'm changing that.

 

[DonGorgon]

..however my lifestyle of smoking pot in my dorm with my close friends hasn't gotten me laid, so I'm changing that.

hmm. odd young hot silly hos love men whith access to drugs..

 

[edger]

"So you are telling me that if you were any of those things, you wouldn't have a much better chance of getting laid?"

Yes, you would have a much better chance of getting laid. Never said you wouldn't.


"How many blow offs will it take before you change? I'm betting that if you choose not to change, you will be the next 50yr old guy to shoot a bunch of girls in a gym."

1. I got blown off by that chick before I could even get a conversation going, not because she found out I wasn't wealthy or lacked any kind of status. She didn't even give herself a chance to find out whether or not I had status or was wealthy. So, you wanna take another shot? Before you take your shot again, keep in mind she kept smiling at me prior.

2. You wish I'd be the next 50 yr old guy to shoot a bunch of women. Don't bet too hard.

And for your information(as I can see you didn't even read up on the guy), the guy who killed these women in the gym, was quite a successful(good job, house, etc.), good-looking guy. Anything you'd like to add?


"You don't have wealth or success and you are concerned about what you will do when it gets taken from you? WTF?"

And you're supposed to be good with women partly because you have social skills? You sure do have social skills I see. It's called sarcasm. I was being sarcastic. I was looking at it from your side. You'll be the guy who looses all his wealth and status, and then commits suicide.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

I used to be gorgeous, all the females I knew wanted to **** me, I was told constantly from all their friends.

Then I ****ed up my hair.

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. You used to be "gorgeous" until you changed your hairstyle. Riiiiiiiiigggghhhhht. You may want to consider...you know, changing it back?


Anyway, back to reality. The truth is, nobody here (and I mean nobody) has said a word that hasn't already been said here: Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread].

This has been done to death. DonGorgon, what motivated you to start this thread? You watched your buddy outgame you a bunch of times so you decided to come on here to make excuses for it? Sorry. That's not how it works.

Blaming your lack of success with women on something you can't change is a complete cop-out. Additionally, I am likely better-looking than you (perhaps even much better-looking), and your success annihilates mine. Four numbers a night? I haven't gotten that many in my life, not counting LTR's. Why is this? It all comes back to confidence. Without it, you will not get girls. Period. Any bush that comes your way is either a freak occurrence or you have a different rare quality that appeals to a very select few girls. This is VERY basic stuff here. Think first five pages of the DJ Bible basic.

Women are attracted by the same things. 1) Fame. 2) Confidence. 3) Money. If I had to ballpark it, I'd say looks is somewhere in the 40's-50's on the list. It just doesn't matter. Anyone who has studied evolution in any great detail understands that facial structure is not a priority when females attempt to select a mate. Someone delete this piece of s.hit thread...put it in the garbage heap where it belongs.

 

[nismo-4]

Well at least the "does money matters?" debate is settled

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=169089

Yo, Spartan! I must admit, I feel sorry for that dude. He got crushed like a roach. Ouch.

 

[Duffdog]

Yo, Spartan! I must admit, I feel sorry for that dude. He got crushed like a roach. Ouch.

Yeah, well, some people just refuse to open their eyes and live in the real world.

 

[synergy1]

Yo, Spartan! I must admit, I feel sorry for that dude. He got crushed like a roach. Ouch.

Well to his credit, he was ****ing a rich chick without being a rich dude. That said, he wouldn't be in his current situation if he was a millionaire I don't think there is such a thing as 'winning' on the internet, but I think this argument is pretty much over.

Anyone care to place your bets on if looks matter? All in on 'yes'.

 

[DonGorgon]

Well to his credit, he was ****ing a rich chick without being a rich dude. That said, he wouldn't be in his current situation if he was a millionaire I don't think there is such a thing as 'winning' on the internet, but I think this argument is pretty much over.

Anyone care to place your bets on if looks matter? All in on 'yes'.

Looks dont matter to blind people..lol with them if you sound or feel ugly you are out.. lol