The explosion of the badboy's popularity ( and why we ignore this)

[CornbreadFed]

We want sex with hot people. Difficult or not is irrelevant.

nah the chase is real

 

[Chow Mein]

For the sake of clarity, I am going to ignore bad boys that break the law and focus on bad boys that are positive & productive members of society. There are definitely many shared traits between the two.

What makes up a bad boy:

-When he sets up dates, he doesn't ask her where she wants to go, what she wants to do, or where to eat at. He tells her.
-He doesn't shy away from difficulties, controversy.
-He will be called a dihk/azzhole from time to time by females and will take it as a compliment.
-He is 100% authentic, genuine. Doesn't apologize for who he is. Women have excellent receptors to sniff this out are quickly attracted once they see it. They are always looking for congruency and character which is why nice guys fail with women.
-He doesn't put on a show.
-His behavior matches his actions.
-Strong intuition
-He loves himself first and foremost.
-The focus will be on him in a relationship or it won't last.
-Always confident(comes thru in speech, body language, how he conducts himself).
-Strong in his beliefs, doesn't waiver.
-Has some selfish, narcissistic traits
-They get what they want out of life. Lives life on his own terms.
-Not outcome dependent
-Aloof, in control of their emotions.
-Doesn't put much stock in what others think
-No artifical relationships.
-Passionate in careers, hobbies, etc. and will let you know about it.
-Open about his identity, which makes him personable, open, raw, real and draws women in.
-Has purpose in life
-Aggressively competitive in all apsects of life.
-Require respect and appreciation from others. Has expectations on how others treat him. Doesn't put up with bs.

After you understand what makes one, and understand women you begin to see why women are so attracted to them. Its the opposite of feminine energy. Its masculinity in its purist form.

For the nice guys reading this, don't think this is an identity you can take on and impersonate. You'll fail a woman's congruency test every time.

This all you need to know on this forum. Wonderfully stated.

This takes years to develop, you will not get that if your main purpose here is a long-term relationship

 

[BeExcellent]

Well I have no knowledge about the details because I'm not American and Reagan happened before my time. But I guess she also talks from the female pov. And the public perception about him. All those guys are scum imo..

Makes realize that there are very few good male role models available right now...everyone always says Leo and drake..two dudes with let's just say questionable ways of carrying themselves..

Well without getting iinto politics we shall simply agree to disagree. I come from a politically connected family and followed current events closely during the 80s. Reagan was certainly not a puppet. He gave the CIA plenty of headaches along the way because he did not follow deep state directives. The movie was pretty historically accurate. I recall those events in real time, as will some of the other posters of my age in America.

But all that aside I disagree some with what @Bingo-Player said.....the "bad boy" will in fact settle down....for a woman who has enough value who can take him in stride. Most women don't that's true, but that's not my territory. Most men are similarly invisible to the most sought after women too.

Water seeks its own level. No news there. The "badboy" and the "baddie" are a match.

People create disappointment by overvaluing themselves in the marketplace. Then they get bitter. Improve yourself and know your worth. That's solid advice for both genders.

I think @The Duke describes well the archetype. Very masculine.

 

[Bigpapa]

that's somewhat interesting.

I've known a few 'bad boys' who done well with girls. They all tended to be tall and at least semi-decent looking so one can't assume it's just the badboy thing in their situations, but they were all legit bad. All had been to prison. All got in fights lots. All took drugs. All impulsive and low inhibition. Loud. etc etc

I remember reading a thead on seddit once about the whole badboy thing. It was around the time that 'negs' were popular I guess, and people were like 'Oh, so a badboy probably opens girls by being really insulting. Maybe some negs etc etc'. They'd try it and get harsh rejections from hot young UK girls who just told them to go away lol

So the replies were like 'oh, it didn't work for you because you're not actually a bad boy. She could tell it was false'

I don't really buy that, though. I'd say it didn't work because 1/she wasn't attracted to him, and 2/BECAUSE it's a retarded way to open someone!

And as you touch on, i'd actually imagine that the opposite is true! I imagine a real badboy is probably very nice and polite and smiley etc when he approaches a girl! He's actually trying to HIDE his nature, whereas the reddit crew were trying to pretend!
It's only when they've been seeing each other for a while that the badboy's nature reveals itself along with all the drama and police calls that come along with it!

(this is about cold approach of course. I think it's different if a badboy starts banging a girl from his social circle. She's also typically a 'street girl' kinda thing and knows what he's about and likes it, and he couldn't hide it from her even if he wanted too). It's like where i'm from there actually lots of really hot young 'chav' girls, but they only EVER seem to bang the badboy chavs that they grew up with kinda thing.

We also have to take into consideration also the folklore / fairytales / stories / religion

Being a bad boy is more or less the start of the adventure of the hero, that will do big deeds and so on

so basically, it is not about being a bad boy but more about being a man of action

Everything good or bad that happened in the world is because of action, nothing really happened just by staying idle or doing whatever else the rest are doing

 

[characternote]

We also have to take into consideration also the folklore / fairytales / stories / religion

Being a bad boy is more or less the start of the adventure of the hero, that will do big deeds and so on

so basically, it is not about being a bad boy but more about being a man of action

Everything good or bad that happened in the world is because of action, nothing really happened just by staying idle or doing whatever else the rest are doing

The reasonable man looks at the world and asks how he can change to fit it
The unreasonable man looks at the world and asks how it can change to fit him
Therefore the world is changed by unreasonable men!

lol. Can't remember where that quote is from (and certainly not a direct quote. Just something I heard once that your post made me think of ha)

 

[Plinco]

Elaborate please bro

'bad boy' = selfishness + effectiveness

Anything that increases testosterone is the result of being effective and selfish.

Drinking alcohol is selfish in the short term, but not in the long term; alcohol lowers testosterone. Owning and driving a muscle car shows effectiveness and boosts testosterone. Knowing how to fight demonstrates effectiveness, winning a fight boosts testosterone. ect.

Instead of looking at individual traits that makes a man attractive, think about these traits that demonstrate who the man is. What goes on in the body goes on in the mind, and vice versa. You cannot separate completely how a man looks and his internal emotional state.

 

[Gamisch]

At a high level I think it's simply being yourself without apology.. if you don't do the same things other people do, own it. If you dress differently, own it.

At a deep level a badboy is simply someone who doesn't give a **** about how they're perceived. To women that signals that the guy doesn't seek approval from anyone. At a biological level that means the guy doesn't value the judgement others place upon him which makes him appear high status. This means he doesn't see others as being above himself.

I disagree that it's a "skill". You have to believe it deep down, literally live it.

I agree. But the problem a lotta men have is the being themselves just ain't "good enough". I know dudes who got all their shyte together but yet get rejected by women who say they want a man "just like him" (on paper)

And the first thing that comes to my mind is " you should/could be just a Itty-bitty more rough around the edges. "

Even if a man needs to internalize an image, it has to start somewhere. Most men can't shake off the image they have eversince high-school.

I'd say it's mental makeup for men.

 

[The Duke]

'bad boy' = selfishness + effectiveness

Anything that increases testosterone is the result of being effective and selfish.

Drinking alcohol is selfish in the short term, but not in the long term; alcohol lowers testosterone. Owning and driving a muscle car shows effectiveness and boosts testosterone. Knowing how to fight demonstrates effectiveness, winning a fight boosts testosterone. ect.

Instead of looking at individual traits that makes a man attractive, think about these traits that demonstrate who the man is. What goes on in the body goes on in the mind, and vice versa. You cannot separate completely how a man looks and his internal emotional state.

Owning and driving a muscle car shows effectiveness and boosts testosterone.
So you can play dress up and buy the stage props and be a bad boy?? About like the guys who pound the weights and take testosterone/steroids then pick fights because they have no women. Or the lost souls who join a motorcycle gang, get tats, wear a black vest, and wear patches.

How does driving a muscle car boost testosterone? I drive fast cars and motorcycles, My testosterone was high before I got into that stuff. IN fact my high testosterone is why I've pushed the limits and crashed many times and keep doing it..

Maybe I interpreted your message all wrong.

 

[Gamisch]

It's no secret I have always despised the term bad boy. It's probably mostly a matter of semantics with me, but I don't like the "bad" aspect, nor the "boy". I am a man, not a boy. Yes, a man should have an edge. To me, that is not being bad or a boy, it is simply being masculine. A man should be masculine. And you shouldn't simp after women - in fact, you can't simp after women, it not only doesn't work, women find it repulsive.

Dont get me wrong. But it's not men that keep this narrative alive. I believe most men would prefer to remain bluepilled and could care less about all this jargon.

Yet , when we place an "average man " next to a (average) woman who rejects him because she wants badboys, dude won't even know what she's talking about.

Meanwhile another dude gets her to submit because he knows how to play the game better. Both men can be moving the same, the main difference will be that once it's about women one know how to adjust better.

It's not much different from whispering sweet nothings in her ear that she wants to hear. Some men also refuse to tell women want they wanna hear.

 

[Gamisch]

Owning and driving a muscle car shows effectiveness and boosts testosterone.
So you can play dress up and buy the stage props and be a bad boy?? About like the guys who pound the weights and take testosterone then pick fights because they have no women. Or the lost souls who join a motorcycle gang, get tats, wear a black vest, and wear patches.

How does driving a muscle car boost testosterone? I drive fast cars and motorcycles, My testosterone was high before I got into that stuff. IN fact my high testosterone is why I've pushed the limits and crashed many times and keep doing it..

Maybe I interpreted your message all wrong.

I am glad this thread got some traction, but it also shows that a simple word that ( seemingly) most women use to describe the type of man they want is far from clear to most men.

 

[Plinco]

Owning and driving a muscle car shows effectiveness and boosts testosterone.
So you can play dress up and buy the stage props and be a bad boy?? About like the guys who pound the weights and take testosterone then pick fights because they have no women. Or the lost souls who join a motorcycle gang, get tats, wear a black vest, and wear patches.

How does driving a muscle car boost testosterone? I drive fast cars and motorcycles, My testosterone was high before I got into that stuff. IN fact my high testosterone is why I've pushed the limits and crashed many times and keep doing it..

Maybe I interpreted your message all wrong.

A muscle car is a luxury, which means you'd have to be productive (or in a rich boy's case, his daddy). Someone had to be effective.

There's no separation between mind and body. Making choices that enable you boost testosterone, like winning, for example.

For weightlifting, personally I feel that I get the biggest boosts of testosterone when I can feel myself make strength gains, not just lifting by itself.

Testosterone by itself isn't responsible for aggression, but the byproduct of testosterone, being of high status, does, however.
Source (I believe this is the video):

 

[Gamisch]

A muscle car is a luxury, which means you'd have to be productive (or in a rich boy's case, his daddy). Someone had to be effective.

There's no separation between mind and body. Making choices that enable you boost testosterone, like winning, for example.

For weightlifting, personally I feel that I get the biggest boosts of testosterone when I can feel myself make strength gains, not just lifting by itself.

Testosterone by itself isn't responsible for aggression, but the byproduct of testosterone, being of high status, does, however.
Source (I believe this is the video):

Kinda of topic ,but I'm going through a "strength transformation " that I've never experienced before. My arms got huge ( shirts around my biceps hardly fit me anymore) and I'm hitting many PR's. Always done boxing but never done serious lifting.

The gym . Just two words but sooo much behind it. Strengths, confidence, determination, amazement, reflection, knowledge. Should be a thread on his own.

This is gonna be a fun year that's for sure...

 

[Bokanovsky]

I disagree. One can be minding one’s own business. Not socializing. Just alone. Say, just reading a book in a cafe or chillin’ in a club diggin’ the band and a woman can approach. Has happened.

It is certainly possible. And if you adopt this as your primary strategy for meeting women, you will perhaps get laid once or twice in your life.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It is certainly possible. And if you adopt this as your primary strategy for meeting women, you will perhaps get laid once or twice in your life.

It’s well more than once or twice. However. This should not be anyone’s primary strategy. You lose all initiative relying on this.

 

[zekko]

Dont get me wrong. But it's not men that keep this narrative alive. I believe most men would prefer to remain bluepilled and could care less about all this jargon.

I don't see bluepilled as the opposite of bad boy. But I probably don't define bad boy the way some might, I don't like the label.

 

[Gamisch]

It is certainly possible. And if you adopt this as your primary strategy for meeting women, you will perhaps get laid once or twice in your life.

This can't be a strategy. It's more likely just a coincidence when your mind ain't at chasing and for whatever reason it ignites a woman's interest who feels bold enough to approach you. It indeed happened a couple of time to me, but it's ill-advised to count on this on a regular.