The explosion of the badboy's popularity ( and why we ignore this)

[Bingo-Player]

Not sure it's an explosion , its just because of social media and reality TV more attention has been Brought to this dynamic

As humans we always want something thats perceived as unattainable or difficult to ascertain

Think of all them sexy HB 8's and 9's you see dolled up in metro city on Saturday nights .... instantly you want one because you know shes going to be difficult to get " Baddie " is a popular term now used for these types of chicks

The HB 6 who's down to go home after 1 drink and some small talk is obviously nowhere near as appealing at least in an achievement sense for most men

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You flip this around and apply it to the female gaze ...... you have the "nice guys" who are genuinely interested in you , buy you drinks, take you for dinner , listen to you , yada yada

I think women view these types of men the same way we view 5's , 6's and 7's yea their alright but they aren't setting the world alight

Then along comes the " bad boy " the guy who couldn't care less about you , he's rude , inconsiderate , annoying , makes moves , has a plan, people follow his lead , he causes trouble

For a lot of women ( especially when they're young ) this is exciting , he's not fazed by beauty , he's not trying to get me , I dont even know if he finds me attractive ....

" BUT I WANT TO FIND OUT "

The bad boy persona lets the female hamster brain run wild with possibilities

bad boys are drama and women fvcking love drama

Conversely "Mr nice" is predictable , he wants me , he's attracted to me ........ there's zero drama

Its pretty simple to understand in this perception

 

[Gamisch]

Come on now

In the case of Reagan, it was the CIA, not Nancy, pulling the stings. Reagan is arguably the most overrated president in recent history. And I say that as someone who is very much right of centre politically. Raegan sold drugs to his own people and used the proceeds to finance Contras and the Taliban. He called the USSR an evil empire while he was arming Saddam Hussein and invading various countries. He also came within an inch of starting a nuclear war in 1983. He was a puppet who did whatever the CIA told him to do.

Well I have no knowledge about the details because I'm not American and Reagan happened before my time. But I guess she also talks from the female pov. And the public perception about him. All those guys are scum imo..

Makes realize that there are very few good male role models available right now...everyone always says Leo and drake..two dudes with let's just say questionable ways of carrying themselves..

 

[Gamisch]

Not sure it's an explosion , its just because of social media and reality TV more attention has been Brought to this dynamic

As humans we always want something thats perceived as unattainable or difficult to ascertain

Think of all them sexy HB 8's and 9's you see dolled up in metro city on Saturday nights .... instantly you want one because you know shes going to be difficult to get " Baddie " is a popular term now used for these types of chicks

The HB 6 who's down to go home after 1 drink and some small talk is obviously nowhere near as appealing at least in an achievement sense for most men

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You flip this around and apply it to the female gaze ...... you have the "nice guys" who are genuinely interested in you , buy you drinks, take you for dinner , listen to you , yada yada

I think women view these types of men the same way we view 5's , 6's and 7's yea their alright but they aren't setting the world alight

Then along comes the " bad boy " the guy who couldn't care less about you , he's rude , inconsiderate , annoying , makes moves , has a plan, people follow his lead , he causes trouble

For a lot of women ( especially when they're young ) this is exciting , he's not fazed by beauty , he's not trying to get me , I dont even know if he finds me attractive ....

" BUT I WANT TO FIND OUT "

The bad boy persona lets the female hamster brain run wild with possibilities

bad boys are drama and women fvcking love drama

Conversely "Mr nice" is predictable , he wants me , he's attracted to me ........ there's zero drama

Its pretty simple to understand in this perception

Great post.

As was mentioned before there is more than one way to (if needed) CREATE and evoke this. Even if you pretended to be A but end up being Z it will spark drama.

Simultaneously, once you let down your gard down and relax too soon..you take away that tension. And you might go from 8 to 6 I her eyes. Happened to me not too long ago. Rookie move.

Only slightly disagree with the very sentence that it's easy for MEN to understand this . I made this thread because I just saw a dating show where the woman straight up told the guy she want a more badboy type of man. I think most ( especially bluepill and beta )men don't really understand what she means by that.

 

[Velasco]

As humans we always want something thats perceived as unattainable or difficult to ascertain

Think of all them sexy HB 8's and 9's you see dolled up in metro city on Saturday nights .... instantly you want one because you know shes going to be difficult to get " Baddie " is a popular term now used for these types of chicks

Got this all backwards.

I don't want to fvck hot girls because I know they're going to difficult to get. I want to fvck hot girls because they're hot girls. Same as girls. They don't want to fvck hot guys because they think they're going to be difficult to get. They want to fvck those guys because they're hot guys. Can act all "selfish + effective" you want, won't make a difference if she doesn't think you're hot.

The HB 6 who's down to go home after 1 drink and some small talk is obviously nowhere near as appealing at least in an achievement sense for most men

See? Because people think hot girls are difficult (erroneously conclude that an HB9 wouldn't be down to fvck after 1 drink and some small talk. Only a HB6 would), they conclude that girls who aren't as beautiful as them, would be easy to lay layups. That's how you end up with guys get all in their feelings when that chick doesn't put out as easily as they imagined they would.

See this difficult to get "baddie": https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/proof-that-women-past-50-play-aw-games-on-apps.283404/

 

[zekko]

It's no secret I have always despised the term bad boy. It's probably mostly a matter of semantics with me, but I don't like the "bad" aspect, nor the "boy". I am a man, not a boy. Yes, a man should have an edge. To me, that is not being bad or a boy, it is simply being masculine. A man should be masculine. And you shouldn't simp after women - in fact, you can't simp after women, it not only doesn't work, women find it repulsive.

 

[The Duke]

For the sake of clarity, I am going to ignore bad boys that break the law and focus on bad boys that are positive & productive members of society. There are definitely many shared traits between the two.

What makes up a bad boy:

-When he sets up dates, he doesn't ask her where she wants to go, what she wants to do, or where to eat at. He tells her.
-He doesn't shy away from difficulties, controversy.
-He will be called a dihk/azzhole from time to time by females and will take it as a compliment.
-He is 100% authentic, genuine. Doesn't apologize for who he is. Women have excellent receptors to sniff this out are quickly attracted once they see it. They are always looking for congruency and character which is why nice guys fail with women.
-He doesn't put on a show.
-His behavior matches his actions.
-Strong intuition
-He loves himself first and foremost.
-The focus will be on him in a relationship or it won't last.
-Always confident(comes thru in speech, body language, how he conducts himself).
-Strong in his beliefs, doesn't waiver.
-Has some selfish, narcissistic traits
-They get what they want out of life. Lives life on his own terms.
-Not outcome dependent
-Aloof, in control of their emotions.
-Doesn't put much stock in what others think
-No artifical relationships.
-Passionate in careers, hobbies, etc. and will let you know about it.
-Open about his identity, which makes him personable, open, raw, real and draws women in.
-Has purpose in life
-Aggressively competitive in all apsects of life.
-Require respect and appreciation from others. Has expectations on how others treat him. Doesn't put up with bs.

After you understand what makes one, and understand women you begin to see why women are so attracted to them. Its the opposite of feminine energy. Its masculinity in its purist form.

For the nice guys reading this, don't think this is an identity you can take on and impersonate. You'll fail a woman's congruency test every time.

 

[Bingo-Player]

See this difficult to get "baddie": https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/proof-that-women-past-50-play-aw-games-on-apps.283404/

This is just a standard god awful dating app interaction between a frustrated guy and a woman who couldn't care less what point are you making?

Got this all backwards.

I don't want to fvck hot girls because I know they're going to difficult to get. I want to fvck hot girls because they're hot girls.

At a base level yea but if all them hot girls become easy to get the novelty is quickly going to wear off

 

[CornbreadFed]

At a high level I think it's simply being yourself without apology.. if you don't do the same things other people do, own it. If you dress differently, own it.

this, bad boys are the safe picks for non boring guys that won’t fake as a Mr nice guy or be plain weird.

 

[plumber]

badboy, I recall lots of white collar men buying Harley Davidson bikes and clothes.

Never seen a woman that did not like that. Seen plenty of men that did not like it.

This was and is one of the most direct attempts to fake badboy. it works sometimes, and the new bike is a minor display of wealth.
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Real badboys, are very good friends to have.

What badboys are not:

- not scared of opinion/ not afraid to fail
- not worried about the past
- not worried about the future
- not liars
- not selfish
- not manipulative
- not bad


I am not talking about nice guys doing role play.

 

[Velasco]

This is just a standard god awful dating app interaction between a frustrated guy and a woman who couldn't care less what point are you making?

That woman is 55 years old who is playing the "difficult to get" game.

You said, "we as humans want something that's difficult. That's why you want the baddie...because she's going to be difficult to get".

And I say no sir. That's not the reason why guys want baddies. We want baddies because they're baddies.

I then provided you an example of a chick 30+ years past her prime who is being difficult. That's not going to want me to bang her any more than I already did not want to.

At a base level yea but if all them hot girls become easy to get the novelty is quickly going to wear off

There goes that black and white thinking again.

You started off saying hot girls are difficult (and that's the reason why we want them (lol)) and mid girls are easy.

Now your misinterpreting what I said to mean the opposite of what you said.

That hot girls are easy. and mid girls are difficult.

Both are not true.

A girl's hotness does not determine how difficult it will be to lay her.

Just that I'd rather bang an easy hot girl (they exist), than a difficult mid girl (also exist).

 

[CornbreadFed]

In addition, it goes the other way around too! Guys want bad girls without the negative consequences of dealing with bad girls. So many guys trying to play captain save a thot with women carrying more red flags than a Chinese parade.

 

[Bingo-Player]

That woman is 55 years old who is playing the "difficult to get" game.

You said, "we as humans want something that's difficult. That's why you want the baddie...because she's going to be difficult to get".

She's not being difficult to get the guy sent her 2 crappy messages and started demanding her number on a swipe app

Like I said frustrated guy and a woman that couldn't care less

it has nothing to do with the point I made or this thread

The rest is just rambling

 

[Velasco]

He who has eyes to see, let him see, and he who has ears to hear, let him hear

 

[Bokanovsky]

For the sake of clarity, I am going to ignore bad boys that break the law and focus on bad boys that are positive & productive members of society. There are definitely many shared traits between the two.

What makes up a bad boy:

-When he sets up dates, he doesn't ask her where she wants to go, what she wants to do, or where to eat at. He tells her.
-He doesn't shy away from difficulties, controversy.
-He will be called a dihk/azzhole from time to time by females and will take it as a compliment.
-He is 100% authentic, genuine. Doesn't apologize for who he is. Women have excellent receptors to sniff this out are quickly attracted once they see it. They are always looking for congruency and character which is why nice guys fail with women.
-He doesn't put on a show.
-His behavior matches his actions.
-Strong intuition
-He loves himself first and foremost.
-The focus will be on him in a relationship or it won't last.
-Always confident(comes thru in speech, body language, how he conducts himself).
-Strong in his beliefs, doesn't waiver.
-Has some selfish, narcissistic traits
-They get what they want out of life. Lives life on his own terms.
-Not outcome dependent
-Aloof, in control of their emotions.
-Doesn't put much stock in what others think
-No artifical relationships.
-Passionate in careers, hobbies, etc. and will let you know about it.
-Open about his identity, which makes him personable, open, raw, real and draws women in.
-Has purpose in life
-Aggressively competitive in all apsects of life.
-Require respect and appreciation from others. Has expectations on how others treat him. Doesn't put up with bs.

After you understand what makes one, and understand women you begin to see why women are so attracted to them. Its the opposite of feminine energy. Its masculinity in its purist form.

For the nice guys reading this, don't think this is an identity you can take on and impersonate. You'll fail a woman's congruency test every time.

What you're describing sounds more like a "strong and silent type" as opposed to a "bad boy". The two are not the same (or even similar).

A stereotypical example of a "strong and silent type" is a character from a Clint Eastwood movie. He doesn't socialize much, prefers to spend time by himself and is entirely self-sufficient. He doesn't actively try to pursue women. He is so innately cool that women automatically fall for him despite his lack of trying. At one time, there was a popular myth that this type of personality got women wet. I don't think this was actually true back then and it certainly isn't true today. This is idealized masculinity from a man's perspective. But it has no connection to reality. It today's society, this kind of man would be an incel.

A bad boy, on the other hand, is someone who is very social and is a good at "laying it on thick". In other words, he is a showoff. That's why women are so attracted to musicians and actors. They like men who are good at putting on a show and eliciting emotional responses.

 

[Hal9000]

We all know guys pretending to be bad boys. They get tattoos or try to dress a certain way but, unfortunately for many of them, many are wusses who live with their mothers or have zero real sense of self. They are simply trying to role play their vision of what a bad boy should be because they know, on some level, they need to behave differently to have a chance with women. Unfortunately you've really got to have this mentality and live your life this way, it can't be something you acquire at the tattoo parlor or by putting on certain attire and that's where they fall short. Looking the part may get you a couple minutes to convince a woman but if you can't actually live it then you're gonna be right back where you started.

 

[itouchyou]

What you're describing sounds more like a "strong and silent type" as opposed to a "bad boy". The two are not the same (or even similar).

A stereotypical example of a "strong and silent type" is a character from a Clint Eastwood movie. He doesn't socialize much, prefers to spend time by himself and is entirely self-sufficient. He doesn't actively try to pursue women. He is so innately cool that women automatically fall for him despite his lack of trying. At one time, there was a popular myth that this type of personality got women wet. I don't think this was actually true back then and it certainly isn't true today. This is idealized masculinity from a man's perspective. But it has no connection to reality. It today's society, this kind of man would be an incel.

87% of body language is completely nonverbal. You would be surprised how little needs to be said verbally in order to turn on a woman. We are animals at the end of the day and raw physical attraction and body language hold a lot more weight than personality.

I'm not familiar with characters from Clint Eastwood movies and agree that just being a wallflower isn't going to get a guy any women, but to say that an indifferent, aloof man who has the looks to back it up is an "incel", is an odd comment.

Most of the badass people you see portrayed on television and movies are in fact the quiet aloof type. You rarely see some guy with the charisma of Will Smith in Fresh Prince playing the badass.

A bad boy, on the other hand, is someone who is very social and is a good at "laying it on thick". In other words, he is a showoff. That's why women are so attracted to musicians and actors. They like men who are good at putting on a show and eliciting emotional responses.

There's nothing badass about a guy that does things to impress people. That sounds like a jester/clown.

You seem to be fixating on some guy that has charisma. I've met pencilneck nerds with charisma, there's nothing badass about that.

It's no secret I have always despised the term bad boy. It's probably mostly a matter of semantics with me, but I don't like the "bad" aspect, nor the "boy". I am a man, not a boy. Yes, a man should have an edge. To me, that is not being bad or a boy, it is simply being masculine. A man should be masculine. And you shouldn't simp after women - in fact, you can't simp after women, it not only doesn't work, women find it repulsive.

I agree.

Simply be masculine and not needy, that sets a guy apart from most others..

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Got this all backwards.

I don't want to fvck hot girls because I know they're going to difficult to get. I want to fvck hot girls because they're hot girls. Same as girls. They don't want to fvck hot guys because they think they're going to be difficult to get. They want to fvck those guys because they're hot guys. Can act all "selfish + effective" you want, won't make a difference if she doesn't think you're hot.

This. 100%.

 

[CornbreadFed]

This. 100%.

Hot girls aren’t hard to fvck

 

[Hamurabimbi]

What you're describing sounds more like a "strong and silent type" as opposed to a "bad boy". The two are not the same (or even similar).

A stereotypical example of a "strong and silent type" is a character from a Clint Eastwood movie. He doesn't socialize much, prefers to spend time by himself and is entirely self-sufficient. He doesn't actively try to pursue women. He is so innately cool that women automatically fall for him despite his lack of trying. At one time, there was a popular myth that this type of personality got women wet. I don't think this was actually true back then and it certainly isn't true today. This is idealized masculinity from a man's perspective. But it has no connection to reality. It today's society, this kind of man would be an incel.

I disagree. One can be minding one’s own business. Not socializing. Just alone. Say, just reading a book in a cafe or chillin’ in a club diggin’ the band and a woman can approach. Has happened.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Hot girls aren’t hard to fvck

We want sex with hot people. Difficult or not is irrelevant.