The difference between older and younger men...a female perspective

[Heretolearn]

Original post

Such a loaded question full of hypocricy and bitterness!

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by WestCoaster
I don't care whom Wyld dates, but the hypocrisy can be a bit much sometimes. She rails on guys here who are after young hotties. Can't have it both ways. Also, complaining about guys who b-tch about their ex-wives and then going on a long diatribe about how bad her ex-hubby is, well, that's a hoot.

I only have a few minutes this morning...so I'll have to respond to other posts later...but this one will be quick.

I am disgusted by men over 30 who go after teenage girls...19 and under. I think it's gross and predatory. 20 and over...all the more power to them.

I'm actually very reserved about my ex husband. I don't hate him and I'm not bitter at all. I feel sorry for him, actually. I just want him to leave me alone and move on because he's been an annoyance for many years. He is the only bad relationship I've ever had, btw. If I were really bitter I would not be able to have a successful relationship with anyone, and I've fared quite well in that respect.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Bad_Lil'Pixie


What I have found, in real life experiences and observations, it that women who seek out younger men seek a certain type of younger man. These men that they find appealing are men who seek a more dependant relationship, who are still into loving like a man loves his mom. Women seek this so they DO NOT have to work so hard; when they find a man dependant on them they feel this is the key to long term. SHE holds the money, makes the decision and he follow like the good little pup she loves. The main attraction in this relationship is support, she provides it and he sucks it up. He finds a sugar mama and she has no challenge or effort in keeping him tucked in bed at night. And, of course, he is never negative; he has the phrase, “yes ma’am,” down pat.

The reason she doesn’t want an older man is because he expects more… He makes decisions and speaks for himself, and doesn’t choose to do as he is told. A relationship with a more mature man takes effort, work and commitment; she doesn’t have that to offer. She won’t offer of herself, she is only good at offering guidance and advice, but never will she take the chance to walk her talk. She sees giving of herself as being used or as a puppet. She wants to hold the reigns, she is the puppet master and the mature man will cut the strings pretty dam fast and she knows it. He won’t be pushed or lead and when she tries this approach she is met with great negativity.

This modest opinion comes from acquaintances I have in day to day contact. Time and time again I see older woman seek the role of “mom” over “mate” and revel in the comfort of not having to hold up their end in a true relationship. Personally I think they are settling or selling themselves short, but to each their own.

Nope...I don't go for guys looking for motherly types. Not at all. I have 4 children...I really don't want a 5th. I won't go beneath about 27 or 28 now because I don't think it's right for someone much older to go for very young kids.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by WestCoaster
Exactly the same reasons why I often date younger women -- the bitter factor. I'd prefer a more age-appropriate (late 30's/early 40's) woman sans the bitterness. I think men and women carry their bitterness too far.

I have a theory learned from my observations in grad school and currently working at a university, where I see students all day -- younger AND older students (I work at a commuter college).

The young women 18-24 or 25, have tremendous attitudes. They're excited about school, smile often, like people in general, and really like men. I see them studying with young men in the lobby, they laugh, have fun, and aren't so judgemental like older women. They enjoy the company of men.

Something triggers in the late 20's and on, and usually it stems from a bad relationship or two, or three -- or a bad marriage. The older women whom I meet with often have a flat affect or somewhat scarred personality, they talk about how they shouldn't have gotten married and had kids at a young age, wish they would've gone to college, and Mr. Ex-Hubby is a jerk, etc.

The young women? They haven't been scarred yet. It's really sad to see the young women go from optimistic, fun, pretty, etc. to bitter, homely, and cynical. Not all do this, but many do.

Carrying one's bitterness can be very damaging for men and women. A positive attitude takes one further than anyone can imagine.

* I do find it ironic that Wyld goes on a fairly long diatribe ripping her ex-hubby here, then complaining about men who rip on their ex-wives.

Yep, there are some bitter women, too...not denying that at all. I also don't have a problem with guys going for somewhat younger women for the same reason I prefer younger men. Who wants some negative and bitter person in their lives? I do think it's wrong for someone your age to go after someone younger than 20, though. That's just sick, in my opinion and I would never date someone that young.

I'm not bitter about the ex...was just trying to explain the way he perceives me when I really wasn't as he claims. I left him everything and never kept the kids from him. I even gave him more time with them than the judge wanted him to get. He really had no reason to complain. I left him because he was abusive...so I had good reason to leave. It's not like I cheated on him and ran off with someone else. He was just mad because I wasn't around to abuse anymore.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
Oh alright, I'll bite,..



Ergo you prefer younger, more physically attractive men with less life experience than men your own age.

Hmmm,..seems I've read this before,..oh yes, it's in virtually every issue of Cosmopolitan, Elle, Ms., Marie Claire and any other female empowerment magazine I happen to glance at on my way out of the grocery store or in the hair salon waiting area.

Only,..wait,..that's not quite right,..usually the story is about how horrible these infantile men are for hooking up with younger, more physically attractive women with less life experience rather than living up to their responsibilities to entertain relationships with women their own age. OK so I think I've got it now,..here goes:


So what's the matter with you WYLD? Wait, I know, you must feel threatened by older men because of their level of professionalism. Scared of a little competition 'eh? Gotta protect that fragile female ego there I guess. Or are you trying to make up for not getting it enough when you were younger? Maybe you could buy a red Porsche while you're at it to compensate for your 'inadequecies.'

See? All you gotta do is reverse the roles. It's all fine and acceptable for men to be run up the flagpole for tapping exactly the same demographic you've posted as desirable here, but when Demi Moore gets after it with Ashton Kutcher it's, "You go girl! Woo Hoo!"

You see, I don't think men are nearly as bitter and pensive as you (and more than a few AFCs here) would like them to be. Rather, the catch lies in older men informing younger men of the pitfalls to avoid that compromise what women would like men to believe in order to serve their own interests - that and AFC guys agreeing with this censoring of more experienced men's views in order to identify (as they've been conditioned to) with women in order to appear as "not like other guys."

So rather than objectively and honestly debate the substance of what men express in their experiences, either positively or negatively, it is far easier to poison the well and discredit them or create straw men for your argument, to build them as you'd like to see them and then knock them down. I'm sure there'll be no shortage of 19-23 y.o. guys eagerly awaiting to parrot the same scripted dialogues women have told them are 'correct' to respond with to back you up instead of thinking critically and observing the things 'older' men point out to them. You'll be in good company.

Nope...don't feel at all threatened by older men...I just prefer someone I'm more attracted to who isn't a grouch. I would never date 19-23 year old guys. The age range I'm most attracted to is 28 to about 35...IF they aren't bitter and miserable grumps.

Okay..gotta go to work...I'll answer other posts later.

 

[Bad_Lil'Pixie]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Nope...I don't go for guys looking for motherly types. Not at all. I have 4 children...I really don't want a 5th. I won't go beneath about 27 or 28 now because I don't think it's right for someone much older to go for very young kids.

Maturity levels do not always match the age number of a person, regardless, I'll stand my ground.

Of the women I know that are attracted and seek out younger men, it is all for the ease.

She desires to train him and bring him up right, teach him to obey and not to have an opinion other then hers. She will have his respect and admiration based NOT on her earning it, but him knowing no better.

I think these women settle for less, they have each tried to be a companion and partner and failed, so they seek a younger, more immature or adolestent man so they can claim success in their relationship, or what they call a relationship.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Just as an interesting aside, I thought I might explain the myth of sexual peaks for you here.

The commonly held misperception is that women reach their sexual peaks at 40 (or into their mid 40s) and men reach their own at 18-20. This is a wildly perpetuated myth. The actual peak - or period of highest sexual frequency to fertility ratio - for women is (unsurprisingly) during their mid 20's. This period represents the time at which her physical attractiveness, sexual desire and fertility potential are all at their most viable for reproduction. This stage then gradually decays as she ages. Childbearing only accellerates this process as the benefits of oxytocin and estrogen replace testosterone in her bloodstream to forment nurturing in child-rearing.

However, there is a significant and quantifiable spike in sexual desire and hormonal levels in women as they reach middle age. This increase is brought about by glandualar changes as the last of her eggs drop in preparation for the onset of menopause in a sort of biological 'last ditch effort' to breed before she becomes sexually inviable. It should also be noted that immunity deficiencies, vitamin retention, hormonal imbalances and higher instances of osteoperosis accompany this transition, into menopause and after it.

Of particular note is the higher occurances of extramarital affairs of women in this stage of maturity. Studies have shown that fully 2/3rds of women who have stated to have engaged in infidelity do so during the 5-7 year period immediately prior to menopause.

Yet again, our evolution and biologies conspire to thwart our social conventions.

 

[newbie81]

Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
Oh alright, I'll bite,..



Ergo you prefer younger, more physically attractive men with less life experience than men your own age.

Hmmm,..seems I've read this before,..oh yes, it's in virtually every issue of Cosmopolitan, Elle, Ms., Marie Claire and any other female empowerment magazine I happen to glance at on my way out of the grocery store or in the hair salon waiting area.

Only,..wait,..that's not quite right,..usually the story is about how horrible these infantile men are for hooking up with younger, more physically attractive women with less life experience rather than living up to their responsibilities to entertain relationships with women their own age. OK so I think I've got it now,..here goes:


So what's the matter with you WYLD? Wait, I know, you must feel threatened by older men because of their level of professionalism. Scared of a little competition 'eh? Gotta protect that fragile female ego there I guess. Or are you trying to make up for not getting it enough when you were younger? Maybe you could buy a red Porsche while you're at it to compensate for your 'inadequecies.'

See? All you gotta do is reverse the roles. It's all fine and acceptable for men to be run up the flagpole for tapping exactly the same demographic you've posted as desirable here, but when Demi Moore gets after it with Ashton Kutcher it's, "You go girl! Woo Hoo!"

You see, I don't think men are nearly as bitter and pensive as you (and more than a few AFCs here) would like them to be. Rather, the catch lies in older men informing younger men of the pitfalls to avoid that compromise what women would like men to believe in order to serve their own interests - that and AFC guys agreeing with this censoring of more experienced men's views in order to identify (as they've been conditioned to) with women in order to appear as "not like other guys."

So rather than objectively and honestly debate the substance of what men express in their experiences, either positively or negatively, it is far easier to poison the well and discredit them or create straw men for your argument, to build them as you'd like to see them and then knock them down. I'm sure there'll be no shortage of 19-23 y.o. guys eagerly awaiting to parrot the same scripted dialogues women have told them are 'correct' to respond with to back you up instead of thinking critically and observing the things 'older' men point out to them. You'll be in good company.

Once again good post Rollo.

3 years ago I dated a 28girl who was just coming out a 4years ltr (who she was living with) with a guy who cheated her with her best friend. I was only 22 back then & pretty afc.

The girl learned me the consequences of being less immature in a ltr, sure thing she learned me what it was being an afc. She took me for my looks & used me to make him jealous, I saw nothing of it, just kept on begging. The circus lasted 4months.

Had some time to "recover" afterwards, but god I'm glad she showed me how life/people/woman are.

Bitter? no, won't happen twice? definitely yes.

Watch out for older women!

peace;

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Bad_Lil'Pixie
Maturity levels do not always match the age number of a person, regardless, I'll stand my ground.

Of the women I know that are attracted and seek out younger men, it is all for the ease.

She desires to train him and bring him up right, teach him to obey and not to have an opinion other then hers. She will have his respect and admiration based NOT on her earning it, but him knowing no better.

I think these women settle for less, they have each tried to be a companion and partner and failed, so they seek a younger, more immature or adolestent man so they can claim success in their relationship, or what they call a relationship.

Like I said before...I've already raised two boys...I have no interest in raising anymore. I'm not interested at all in controlling or having someone that says yes all the time and doesn't have an opinion, ideas, views and goals all of their own. Apparently you are assuming that I am talking about "younger" as being far younger than I'm actually talking about. Like I mentioned, the age range is between 28 and 35 that I tend to prefer. They just usually haven't been married and aren't really negative about women and relationships. You can have a better relationship with men like that simply because they are actually open to it. Many older men really aren't open to much of quality because they are still stuck in their past. That's universal with anyone who is bitter and angry. I'd guess that most men would find that to be a turn off if a woman based her opinion of him and all men on the bad behavior of an ex. I'm no different. I don't want to be around anyone (male or female) who is negative, bitter and miserable. It's sucks the life out of you and if you are a naturally positive and happy person you just can't tolerate that kind of stuff. That's how I am...no tolerance for it at all. I mean, if I were hating on all men just because my ex husband treated me badly I would hope that guys with any common sense wouldn't be interested in dating me, either. So...I'm not saying it's only men that are bitter or that it's only women who are entitled to not date or want someone who is bitter. Sure, I could make the post about women on here...but that's been done over and over again. Since there aren't many women here all that would do is rile up the guys here and encourage blaming and anger. That's not very productive. I made this about men because you guys are men and perhaps what I've written might help one guy on here recognize that it might just be time to let go of the baggage and move on with his life. I don't see where that would be a bad thing.

 

[shooter]

Wyld

Admit it, you like younger men because we can give you the cok better than those old, balding, viagra riddled, men can

 

[shooter]

Come on, admit it you dream of a young, firm, 9" dark dik, impaling you every night don't you.

Instead you have to deal with a shriveld up puny little mess

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by Rollo Tomassi
Just as an interesting aside, I thought I might explain the myth of sexual peaks for you here.

The commonly held misperception is that women reach their sexual peaks at 40 (or into their mid 40s) and men reach their own at 18-20. This is a wildly perpetuated myth. The actual peak - or period of highest sexual frequency to fertility ratio - for women is (unsurprisingly) during their mid 20's. This period represents the time at which her physical attractiveness, sexual desire and fertility potential are all at their most viable for reproduction. This stage then gradually decays as she ages. Childbearing only accellerates this process as the benefits of oxytocin and estrogen replace testosterone in her bloodstream to forment nurturing in child-rearing.

However, there is a significant and quantifiable spike in sexual desire and hormonal levels in women as they reach middle age. This increase is brought about by glandualar changes as the last of her eggs drop in preparation for the onset of menopause in a sort of biological 'last ditch effort' to breed before she becomes sexually inviable. It should also be noted that immunity deficiencies, vitamin retention, hormonal imbalances and higher instances of osteoperosis accompany this transition, into menopause and after it.

Of particular note is the higher occurances of extramarital affairs of women in this stage of maturity. Studies have shown that fully 2/3rds of women who have stated to have engaged in infidelity do so during the 5-7 year period immediately prior to menopause.

Yet again, our evolution and biologies conspire to thwart our social conventions.

Sexual peaks have nothing to do with why I prefer younger men over older men and what the differences are in the two.

I would guess that you are trying to hint that I'm going to hit menopause soon and that must be why I like younger guys.

Fact is, Rollo...I've always preferred younger guys, even when I was young. In fact, my ex husband was the only guy I ever got involved with who was older than me. There have been one or two that were my age...but all others were younger. Even when I was a junior and senior in high school...I dated Freshmen and Sophomores. I was a virgin and wanted to wait until marriage, so the age difference wasn't a big deal back then, either. The next man I was with after I left my ex husband was younger. I was 28 years old. The biggest difference was when I was 34 and was with a 24 year old for 6 months. I'd never go that young again, though.

As an interesting side note...my mother didn't start menopause until her mid 50's. I remember clearly because of her hot flashes, lol. I just had my hormone levels checked and my OB/GYN told me that my levels are the same as they were about 8 years ago the last time they were checked when I wasn't either pregnant or postpartum. I gave birth to a perfect baby on April 6, 2000 with APGAR scores of 10 and 10. I just turned 40 last month. No sign of any drops in estrogen at all. I've also got the same blood pressure I have consistently had since I was 16 years old, lol. So...the attempt to try to dig with the menopause or drop in fertility is wasted on me. I'm extremely fertile, unfortunately...I'm done having children so I'd love for menopause to come. Sadly, based on family history I've got another 15 years before I can retire the tampons for good. :crackup:

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by newbie81
Once again good post Rollo.

3 years ago I dated a 28girl who was just coming out a 4years ltr (who she was living with) with a guy who cheated her with her best friend. I was only 22 back then & pretty afc.

The girl learned me the consequences of being less immature in a ltr, sure thing she learned me what it was being an afc. She took me for my looks & used me to make him jealous, I saw nothing of it, just kept on begging. The circus lasted 4months.

Had some time to "recover" afterwards, but god I'm glad she showed me how life/people/woman are.

Bitter? no, won't happen twice? definitely yes.

Watch out for older women!

peace;

I hate to break it to you...but her age had nothing to do with what she did. She was using you to make someone else jealous. She could have just as easily been younger than you and do the same thing...which was pretty sh*tty, by the way.

I don't do the casual sex and fling thing...I only have relationships...and if I'm not finished with one I won't start another one. It's not cool to use or hurt people.

A bit of advice to help you avoid something like that from happening to you again...if a woman doesn't respect you and treat you in the way you feel is appropriate then don't get involved with her. It doesn't matter if she'll have sex with you...you MUST look beyond that. Yes, men need and want sex, but you shouldn't sell your soul or tolerate being used and mistreated to get it. Pride and self respect is a hell of a lot more important.

 

[shooter]

Just admit it girl you want a big nine incher in you evey night

 

[JackPrescott]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Nope...I don't go for guys looking for motherly types. Not at all. I have 4 children...I really don't want a 5th. I won't go beneath about 27 or 28 now because I don't think it's right for someone much older to go for very young kids.

Ok, lets go over a few things here.

1. You have lots of baggage, Sweetie. Fo' Childs, and you is being picky about de mens dat wants to be witcha? I'll be Goddammed! "I wont go beneath 27 or 28 now" Do they go screaming out your door, when they see 4 children asleep throughout the house, when you get them back to your place? How does that conversation at the bar go? (27 year old Hunk at the bar) "Have any kids?" (Wyldfire) "Oh, yeah, by the way, I have four wonderful children." (Hunk at the bar) "I just remembered, tonight is the night I wash my hair, nice to meet you" As he dashes away. Well, Sweetie, male chauvenistic types like Jack Presscott have our own rules as well.

1. I spend lots of time on the Treadmill, and in the weightroom. I count calories, and can out-run, out lift, and flat out look better without a shirt on, than the average 27-28 year old. One of my favorite things to do is to pass a young hottie with a younger man, and have her check me out as I walk by. (See, it works the same with men as well!) The last woman I allowed to taste me, was younger than the 27-28 you are babbling about.

2. I find women my age to be out of shape, and usually with too much baggage, and yes, I do mean the kids, when it comes to the brats, I have a one brat limit rule, and the Babydaddy had goddammed well be up on his Child Support, cause I aint payin' fo' no child I didnt have fun makin'! Women my age, are also burned out and bitter, about all the a-holes like myself, who have used and discarded them throughout the years.

3. The biggest age difference I've experienced was 14 years, and she wasnt complaining about me being nearly as old as a father to her as she was feeling up my traps, and asking if I was a good kisser. The young ones are great for fun and games, but I dont take it too serious with them. I like women of all ages, however, as long as they put in their treadmill time.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by OneArmDeeJay
This Thread is just a revise version of an old one of hers,

Why do much, much older men on dating sites....

Personally I think you don’t know what you want because in all your useless rants you state that you don’t want to have casual sex just a relationship but you don’t want to get married either. You have some idea of being on a one long romantic date which is impossible or maybe your just stating that so you don’t look like all you want is sex because you then state this



Also



To me your afraid of commitment. Which makes sense why you dated the prison guy theres no real commitment. Reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld when George dates that prison chick haha. Anyways you did it Not because of the kids it was all about CONTROL. It was exactly what you wanted except for sex. You could have a relationship under YOUR terms. YOU saw him when YOU felt like it. YOU started the relationship and can ended it. YOU had control on how long you spend time together and what to talk about. The ultimate control and your fantasy. But it’s not enough when you can’t have sex something you couldn’t control.

So which means you go for young fresh meat. But what makes you think a young man is going to date you who is in her mid thirties who has been divorced, hung up on a dead guy, ex husband, best friend, and has 3 or 4 kids? But you know who does the 27 year old AFCs. The ones that are getting out of their prime and thinks he needs to hurry up and get married before the picking gets nasty. And that’s where you come in. Because you know the 20 year olds are going to have a relationship only to “hit that” MILF because of the whole boosting of the ego. And the guys your age are keeping it real and going for women at YOUR AGE that’s should also be keeping it real and their standards realistic. But you can manipulate the 27yr or those who are up there that figures you’re their last hope.

This all probably traces back and relates to your relationship with your controlling aka “abusive” husband who was also bitter.


Hmmm Sounds like this and all the other threads go right along what Rollo Tomassi
posted awhile back,

Your Attention Please

Hhaha,

I think this quote ties in nicely,

Per usual...you entirely miss the boat on what I'm all about.

I would NEVER get involved with someone unless I intended to give it my all...regardless of their age. Yeah, I have feelings for my best friend, as he does for me. We love each other very much. This should tell you more about the kind of person I am...I haven't dated anyone at all since I realized how I felt about my friend. Why? Because it wouldn't be fair to allow some other guy to get attached to me and develop feelings for me when I love someone else. That would cause someone pain and I won't do that to anyone.

Now, am I afraid of commitment? Absolutely not. I'm actually quite comfortable with committed relationships. You'll likely never meet a more loyal or devoted person than I am. That's a very huge part of who I am. What I am very afraid of is marriage. I don't want to get married again. There is something about that little piece of paper that screws things up...and I would rather stick to sharing something great as is than taint it with that little piece of paper. Why complicate things unnecessarily anyhow?

My fiance' wore the pants in our relationship. He treated me like a princess, but he was in charge and because he treated me so good I was fine with the way it was. If he treated me badly and wanted to be the boss, we would have had issues, I'm sure. We respected each other a great deal and in the 5 years we were together we NEVER hurt each other with words or otherwise and were very happy. I was devastated by his death, true...but not crippled nor rendered incapable of moving on. I never thought it could happen...but the bond I share with my friend is even stronger and deeper than the one I shared with my fiance'. Yeah, it keeps me from dating, but that's because my morals and values don't allow me to mislead or use others. It wouldn't be fair to do that to someone.

Yes, I know what I want...and I basically have it. Could what I have be improved upon? Sure...and in time it most likely will be. But for right now...things are exactly as I want them to be, and with good reason.

 

[WestCoaster]

Good post Jack, thanks for the reality check.

Here's how many single guys -- of any age -- I know who want to take on someone with four kids: ZERO.

I have a two-kid limit rule just for dating, and really it's a one-kid limit rule.

Gal I know wanted to have a kid (sadly, she had it with my best friend, then she dumped his a$$) at age 30, but she didn't want to be married. But gosh darn it, she had to have a kid and roped my friend into it (he was AFC at the time).

After she dumped him? Well, she's now 44 SINGLE, never married ... she was shocked at how the kid quickly eliminated her dating/relationship/marriage prospects.

Looking at it now, I think it's kind of funny. She wanted her cake and eat it, too, and is deserving what she gets -- stupid 'ho.

A woman with four kids might (that's a big might) be able to find some desparate AFCs for quick flings in the sack, but relationships? God, I know of no real man in his late 20's or 30's (or 40's on up for that matter) who wants to date someone with a boat load of kids.

It's nice to get off fantasy island and back to reality continent.

* Guys out there: How many of your friends want to date a woman with four kids?

 

[speedo_meme]

3 years ago I dated a 28girl who was just coming out a 4years ltr (who she was living with) with a guy who cheated her with her best friend. I was only 22 back then & pretty afc.

The girl learned me the consequences of being less immature in a ltr, sure thing she learned me what it was being an afc. She took me for my looks & used me to make him jealous, I saw nothing of it, just kept on begging. The circus lasted 4months.

Had some time to "recover" afterwards, but god I'm glad she showed me how life/people/woman are.

Bitter? no, won't happen twice? definitely yes.

Watch out for older women!

peace; [/B][/QUOTE]

haha that's a good point, same thing happened to me, i guess i should thank my ex for curing me of AFC-dom, or at least sending me on the way to curing it.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by JackPrescott
Ok, lets go over a few things here.

1. You have lots of baggage, Sweetie. Fo' Childs, and you is being picky about de mens dat wants to be witcha? I'll be Goddammed! "I wont go beneath 27 or 28 now" Do they go screaming out your door, when they see 4 children asleep throughout the house, when you get them back to your place? How does that conversation at the bar go? (27 year old Hunk at the bar) "Have any kids?" (Wyldfire) "Oh, yeah, by the way, I have four wonderful children." (Hunk at the bar) "I just remembered, tonight is the night I wash my hair, nice to meet you" As he dashes away. Well, Sweetie, male chauvenistic types like Jack Presscott have our own rules as well.

Actually, one of my children is 19 and two others are 17 and 15. I only have one young child... a beautiful 5 year old girly girl that is so adorable that strangers come up to me and comment on how precious, beautiful and well behaved she is. My best friend doesn't usually like kids and doesn't want any. However, when he sees my little one's photo or hears her voice he says it makes him feel better about the world. He sometimes shows her picture off and tells people she's his daughter. Go figure. My children are blessings, not baggage.

I don't go to bars and I don't bring men home. I am not a slut who sleeps around. I have relationships, not casual flings. A man has to make me want to keep him in my life to even get to meet my kids.

I've only met one man who was hitting on me who told me he doesn't get involved with women with kids. He still kept hitting on me and trying to convince me to have sex with him. He was steaming hot, too...but I told him I don't have sex with men I'm not in a relationship with, so he was wasting his time. He still tried for another 4 hours and got nowhere. Oh...and any guy who refers to human beings as "baggage" is not someone I'd be interested in. Guys like that aren't even dateable let alone LTR material.

1. I spend lots of time on the Treadmill, and in the weightroom. I count calories, and can out-run, out lift, and flat out look better without a shirt on, than the average 27-28 year old. One of my favorite things to do is to pass a young hottie with a younger man, and have her check me out as I walk by. (See, it works the same with men as well!) The last woman I allowed to taste me, was younger than the 27-28 you are babbling about.

I'm not impressed by a man's body. I'm more impressed by his face, ass and attitude.

2. I find women my age to be out of shape, and usually with too much baggage, and yes, I do mean the kids, when it comes to the brats, I have a one brat limit rule, and the Babydaddy had goddammed well be up on his Child Support, cause I aint payin' fo' no child I didnt have fun makin'! Women my age, are also burned out and bitter, about all the a-holes like myself, who have used and discarded them throughout the years.

Well, if a woman repeatedly goes for arseholes it's her own fault for getting burnt. Just like it's a guy's own fault for getting burnt if he chooses trashy women. I chose one arsehole when I was 18, but I've never given another one the time of day.

3. The biggest age difference I've experienced was 14 years, and she wasnt complaining about me being nearly as old as a father to her as she was feeling up my traps, and asking if I was a good kisser. The young ones are great for fun and games, but I dont take it too serious with them. I like women of all ages, however, as long as they put in their treadmill time.

Just going to try to do a good deed here...

Arseholes are not attractive to women who have their sh*t together. As arseholes get older and lose their looks they end up very lonely and even the low quality damaged women don't want them anymore. It's cool to demand the same level of respect you give the other person and not be anyone's doormat...but being a jerk always comes back to bite you in the ass later in life...and it bites mighty hard.

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by WestCoaster
Good post Jack, thanks for the reality check.

Here's how many single guys -- of any age -- I know who want to take on someone with four kids: ZERO.

I have a two-kid limit rule just for dating, and really it's a one-kid limit rule.

Gal I know wanted to have a kid (sadly, she had it with my best friend, then she dumped his a$$) at age 30, but she didn't want to be married. But gosh darn it, she had to have a kid and roped my friend into it (he was AFC at the time).

After she dumped him? Well, she's now 44 SINGLE, never married ... she was shocked at how the kid quickly eliminated her dating/relationship/marriage prospects.

Looking at it now, I think it's kind of funny. She wanted her cake and eat it, too, and is deserving what she gets -- stupid 'ho.

A woman with four kids might (that's a big might) be able to find some desparate AFCs for quick flings in the sack, but relationships? God, I know of no real man in his late 20's or 30's (or 40's on up for that matter) who wants to date someone with a boat load of kids.

It's nice to get off fantasy island and back to reality continent.

* Guys out there: How many of your friends want to date a woman with four kids?

You need to get out more then, because there are a lot of never married younger men who pursue me and have pursued me quite consistently for many years now. They know I am not a slut and don't do the casual sex thing, so they aren't pursuing me for that since they know up front not to bother.