The Decline of the White American Male

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Joey, I'm glad you like my sense of humor, but I'm surprised you don't agree with everything I say:) I am 'on point' most of the time, except the times when I drank a 12-pack of beer, I think my advice under the influence may have led to a few DJ's demise:( Oh well!

Do you notice the sitcom title "King of Queens" this takes place in Queens, NY - The female is the "King" I take it - at least she is in the household. She is the King and he is the Queen.

Also "Everybody Loves Raymiond" show - 'Ray' is so pvssified. I actually only watch the show for two or three minutes to see how long it takes for him to back down from his scornful wife.

If you notice these two shows have very small women overpowering their fairly large husbands.
 

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It's not about politics, it's about culture

Yep, white men have controlled the U.S., started wars, etc., etc. -- leave that for another board.

We're talking about the p-ssyfication of the AVERAGE American male, that would be you and me, and by average I don't mean that as a slam, but the fact that we aren't movie stars, presidents, or pro athletes -- or perhaps some are here, I don't know.

"King of Queens," ... great example. That biotach (though she is hot) just tramples over the guy for 30 minutes. Granted, in real life, a fat slob like that wouldn't be pulling a hottie like that, and only if he was a DJ not an AFC.

People say we shouldn't care. Why not care? I care about lots of things in life, how top 40 music now sucks, how pro baseball salaries have gone through the roof, etc. There are things each one of us cares about.

This is a biggie folks. The national media and societal pressure is going to turn the majority of the younger generation into hopeless AFCs.

They won't just get pushed around, they'll also argue, complain, show violence towards women, lose their cool all because they're not calm, cool, and collected like a true DJ. And they'll learn this from their mothers, or fathers, or absent fathers or weak male figures, or they'll turn to TV to find examples.

Welcome to the p-ssyfication of the U.S. male, which hit its low point with the origination of the term metrosexual.
 

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Re: Re: Re: Right, PRL, media/society is powerful

Originally posted by joey37
I NEVER said I was going to beat anyone up..that's silly, I was merely illustrating a point.
I wouldn't care if you did, that wasn't in my post.

Originally posted by joey37
I'm not quite sure what your last sentence about jealousy means? Who's jealous? white men?????
I'm saying that the most powerful countries are run by white males and others who view things through racial lenses are jealous of the white males.

Originally posted by joey37
Using world leaders as your example of how "white men" are percieved is ridiculous.
It has nothing to do with perception, it has to do with fact. White males do run the economies and militaries of the most dominant forces in the world right now. That alone will make people not like you.
 

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*Sigh*

Given the number of replies, I glanced over them since it would take too long to read all of them.

However, perhaps this is why I'm SO disappointed in my friends and most men around me. It seems that they are all pansy more often than not. They think it's funny that I don't believe in 'nice guy' behaviors.

Just for the record, I'm a white male who's fairly young and hasn't even finished university yet. However, I also don't watch TV and haven't even been a subscriber since 1991. Whenever I see a TV show on someplace I always think "Damn...I can't believe anyone actually wants to watch this crap." It never even seems to make a difference what show is on at the time. I have never seen any of the shows that were mentioned in this thread thus far, and I consider myself grateful. I've always known that TV shows are crap (except Disney cartoons, which honestly I still like), but I had no idea that they were THIS bad.

However, according to modern society, I must be either weird, strange, or gay* because:

- I keep my apartment clean. If it's messy I get depressed. I care about cleanliness.

- Compared to most "men" I know, I invest much more time in appearance than they do. I fix my hair every morning, match all of my clothes, shower EVERY morning, and check the appearance of my nails. I even refuse to leave home before doing all of those things, even if I have a time crunch.

- I still like Disney cartoons, especially Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge, Mickey Mouse, Goofy, and so on... Somehow this isn't "manly," but if I like it then I like it. I don't need to change this in order to satisfy what someone else thinks. A real man doesn't need the approval of others.

- I won't do 'nice guy' things.

- I rarely do things that I don't feel like doing, unless of course it's part of my job or for the sake of classwork. Basically, if people try to pressure me into something that I don't want to do, I won't do it.

- I get manicures, because I realize that the appearance of my nails is important. I feel better about myself and women DO notice small details like that, even if most men don't.

- I don't do 'macho guy' things if I don't genuinely enjoy them. An example is that I seriously don't enjoy watching sports. Therefore I'm not going to watch football just because it's the "cool thing" to do.

- I don't know how many men actually lack the self-respect to were the same dirty article of clothing every day, but it's something I refuse to do. It's nasty, and that shirt/trousers/whatever probably smells.

- I realize there are things I do which are traditionally feminine (like wear more jewelry[all matched] than most men, or manicures). But if it's something which I feel good about doing I'll do it. It does not mean that I supplicate to women. As you read earlier I don't embrace the 'nice guy' persona.

- I won't take crap from others. I'm a small guy in terms of overall size, but I still stand my ground.

- I'm very opinionated, share many uncommon views, and I'm not afraid to voice my thoughts even if others may not like what I have to say.

Though I do try harder than many, probably most men to look good, I'm not 'metrosexual.' As far as I know, a 'metrosexual' is a man who starts acting like a woman.

*-You probably noticed that I had an asterisk up there by the word 'gay.' The reason why is because I wanted to address homophobia. I don't know what it is with society today, but it seems as if much gay-bashing is going on. I don't know what's so bad about it (I'm not gay, but if someone is why shouldn't he be able to love his lover?) I think I've read that most gay people were born that way, so there was nothing they could ever do about it, like black people in the 50s and the Jim Crow laws. I also know that gay people seem to be associated with anything bad, which I also don't understand.

I also can't understand why some things are 'gay' and why some things aren't. What makes something 'gay?' As far as I'm concerned, the only gay things are explicit gay sexual acts and feelings. Somehow, getting manicures and trying to look good is 'gay,' while watching football, drinking beer, belching loudly, and laying back in a recliner isn't.

This may seem off-topic, but there is a connection. Most men these days, as far as I can tell, are afraid of being labelled 'gay.' As a result, they do certain things and avoid 'gay' things (however the hell that's determined). Then they start not doing things that could actually be of a benefit to them, such as trying to look better, cleaning up their place, or standing up for whatever minority beliefs they may have.

I hope this contribution of mine was of help to someone, though many it's just commentary by me.

I also hope someone got the humor behind the last sentence prior to the list.

Ben
 

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Abbott, it's more about disrespect

Men are portrayed by the media as incompetent pushovers, who are fools. They allegedly can't fix anything, don't know how to love their woman, are slobs, and can't do anything right.

The metrosexual stuff is lost on me as in male manicures, but to each his own. As for watching cartoons, hey, I'm addicted to the Simpsons and I love Bugs Bunny -- probably because he's a total DJ :>)

Good grooming is solid.

I'm more concerned that men aren't just poked fun at constantly, they're downright insulted and trashed and this TV fantasy has carried over to the real world. Just go to a grocery store sometime and watch men get dragged around and scolded by their wives. It makes me puke and both women and men have learned this behavior from TV.

Yeah, you, I, and others don't buy into what TV says. But I worked in the media industry for 15 years and can tell you it has tons of power. If you want to get a message across you don't do word of mouth, you go directly to the MEDIA. Most people do not have a bullsh-t meter in their heads. Most just gobble it up.
 

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Blamin society won't get us anywhere. You must first understand that society is a two way street. What we do and how we act changes society. Society also affects us the same way. In the business world the best, absolute BEST, form of advertisement is word of mouth. Word of mouth has made countless business, and broken even more. Just think of when a friend told you that you should go to Bob's Burgers for lunch. That they have the best burgers. Well, usually you go and check it out. If it was a commerical on tv, or radio you'd more than likely just be irritated at the interruption from your program.

So the best way to defeat this weak image of the American Male is to create a strong one. By being idols and rolemodels, to everyone. It boggles my mind how the most powerful force on this planet is America yet our American male image is of a pvssy. Countries fear our attention, they fear the very mention of our military. We, as a country have risen above every challenge in our history. We've defeated enemies that only exhisted in the deepest nightmares of great warriors like Julius Ceaser, Alexander the Great, Napolean Bonaparte, Genghis Kahn. We flex our muscles and the entire world grows quiet with anticipation.

Yet who are our American Rolemodels? Tom Cruise? Leonardo De Capio? please... Just about every 'hero' on tv is a dusche bag. Remember in Terminator 3 when the prototype hover jet screamed over John Conner, and that chick? Who grabbed the gun and shot it down? The chick... John Conner, trained since birth, by his mom to fight with hands, guns, bombs, sharp sticks, and organize, train, and lead an entire army; just laid on the ground pissing his pants...RIGHT.

The only way to grow strong again is to spread the image of a real men. Don't give up just because your friends are against change now. Every male can realize the truth once he's burned enough. And everybody gets burned enough. God intended every boy to become a man, it is our devine right. Help our fallen comrades to see this truth.
 
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Abott:

I knew an abott once. Along time ago in Japan. He was an officers son. He ratted on me and my friends. I told him that I was going to tie him down on the flight line and let the planes run over his chubby arse.

He was a neat little chubby white kid who was obsessed with being neat and clean.

He told his dad who was an officer...his dad talked to my dad...my dad came to me and slapped me on the back and we laughed.

That wasn't your father was it???

My father still tells that story all the time! Proud old man of his son.


I too do not watch organized sporting events anymore...I also watch the cartoon channel (sumari cartoon and dexters labratory) sorry I don't have a neat little list of em...I don't even recall the titles of some of the japanese animation ones.

But that is all we share fella. I'm neat and clean..but not obsessed with it. I sometimes wear the same pants two days in a row. This probable bugs doesn't it...
 
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from the website askmen.com

A Real Woman Wants A Real Man

Men are PC'ed to death. The consequences of almost 50 years of ardent feminism have been devastating: a society in bewilderment about gender roles, the rise of a class of ball-busting *****es whose battle cry is, "We don't need men," trumped-up charges of "date rape" and "sexual harassment," angry women blaming men for all their problems -- in short, an overall erosion of male confidence.
As society becomes more and more feminized, as more and more young men are being raised by single mothers who don't have a clue about the male sex drive, but who teach their sons to surrender their natural masculinity and pander to women, today's man is forced to apologize for -- and feel shame about -- his inherent male sexuality.

pleasing women
This abrogation of sexual confidence has resulted in a world full of wusses and doormats, men who cater to women and willingly hand over all their male power in exchange for a few crumbs of approval or sexual "favors."

The modern man walks around on eggshells, afraid of saying the "wrong thing," scared of showing his natural sexual interest to a woman, scared of being scorned, humiliated, or even fired -- scared of his own true self.

All of this flies in the face of nature. For years now, men have been forced to bend over backwards to please women, but pandering to a self-serving social movement can't really reverse five billion years of human evolution.

Clearly this essential point is lost on the female gender because women just don't have a clue what it is to be truly sexual -- a woman's sex drive can't even begin to compare with a man's. Yet modern feminism still blindly strives to feminize men into submissive she-males.

Nature intended men to be strong, assertive, bold, sexual -- this is why testosterone surges through their bloodstreams. This is a man's right -- his heritage -- as a member of the male gender.

And the truth is, despite what women say and how much they protest, they want a man who acts like a man. Scratch the surface and you'll find that deep down they don't really want a man to act like a woman any more than a guy wants a chick to be masculine.

So instead of letting women snip pruning shears at their crotches, it's time for men to stop apologizing for being male, to celebrate their inherently sexual natures, and to reclaim their sexual confidence.

Find out what sexually confident guys are like…

sexual what?
Just what is sexual confidence? First, it's important to understand what it's not.

Men who are not sexually confident:


Seek approval from women
Cater or pander to women
Are predictable and boring
Call women every day or worse, many times a day (clingy, needy)
Try to buy their time and attention with meals, gifts, etc.
Are nervous, insecure or overly nice around women
Act like women's friends instead of their lovers
Are available at the drop of a hat
Tolerate without protest rude behavior, cancelled dates, etc.
Go out of their way to please women in the hope of getting laid
Let women control the relationship
Are afraid that if they do "something wrong," she'll leave
Grovel, beg, or are desperate for sex
Obsess about and over-analyze everything women say and do
Feel shameful or guilty about their natural sexuality
Let women manipulate them or treat them like "walking wallets"
Are lousy lovers

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The direct opposite of all these is sexual confidence. To get an insight into what sexual confidence is, just watch any "bad boy" in action -- one of those obnoxious, selfish, abusive jerks that women swear they hate, yet flock to like ants discovering a candy factory.

Why are women attracted to these guys? Because females think with their emotions, not with logic -- and Bad Boys are sexually exciting.

And just what determines sexual confidence? Sexually confident men:


Are challenges, not feet-kissing doormats
Don't make excuses for who they are -- they exude sexuality and they're comfortable with their natural masculinity
Assume that they're "the catch," not the woman
Are unpredictable, untamed and can't be tied down
Aren't afraid of being who they are
Have no interest in being PC, morphing their true selves to gain female approval, or being overly nice
Don't have to trade money or gifts for sex (a.k.a. "dating")
Always control the relationship
Never tolerate any female BS
Radiate sexually-charged body language
Flirt easily and well
Are natural leaders, not followers
Unabashedly look at women's bodies
Don't care if they score with a particular woman, because they know that there are many others waiting in line. They want sex, but they don't need it -- they aren't desperate and groveling for it
Are constantly unavailable
Never apologize for who they are
Act like men around women, not wusses.
In other words, sexually confident men aren't afraid to be themselves or to exert their natural sexuality -- and don't really care what society thinks of them. Unlike bad boys, sexually confident men are not abusive toward women -- in fact, they love the company of women and treat them very well. And women can't keep their hands off them.

be a man
The good news is, a man doesn't have to be built like Arnold Schwarzenegger or look like Brad Pitt to be sexually confident and attract women. But he does have to tap into his natural masculinity and let it shine out for the female population to see.

When a man becomes confident and secure about his sexuality, he immediately asserts his independence and individuality. He becomes more selective. His self-image has been enhanced and he is comfortable being who he is instead of constantly changing his behavior to fit into society's current format.

Women can look into his eyes and read his body language and instantly know that he's a good lover. Instead of desperately seeking the approval of women and chasing after them like a puppy dog, he is now the "desired one," and women pursue him because he has transformed himself from a doormat into a challenge.

As the old saying goes, "Do what you've always done and you'll keep getting what you've always gotten." If you want to be sexually confident, all you have to do is be the man nature intended you to be.

Matthew Fitzgerald is the author of Sex-Ploytation. He has appeared on radio shows from coast-to-coast in the United States and in Canada, and has been featured on the Montel show and The Other Half.
 
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Abbott.

Another "homo penis-in-the-arse" advocate!! You dare compare the torment and suffering of blacks to fags!!!! ARE YOU INSANE?

Read the thread "society and sexual distortion" and get some insight!!!
 

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Originally posted by Player_Supreme
I knew an abott once. Along time ago in Japan. He was an officers son. He ratted on me and my friends. I told him that I was going to tie him down on the flight line and let the planes run over his chubby arse.

He was a neat little chubby white kid who was obsessed with being neat and clean.

He told his dad who was an officer...his dad talked to my dad...my dad came to me and slapped me on the back and we laughed.

That wasn't your father was it???
Haha...no. That wasn't my father. I've never even been to Japan, and I've always been thin.

P.S. Spell my screenname right, fool!


Originally posted by PuertoRican_Lover
Abbott.

Another "homo penis-in-the-arse" advocate!! You dare compare the torment and suffering of blacks to fags!!!! ARE YOU INSANE?

Read the thread "society and sexual distortion" and get some insight!!!
Call me names, will you? I can call names too, you filthy dirty good-for-nothing ultra conservative.

Yes PRL, I must be insane (according to your standards). I do dare compare the suffering of blacks in the recent past to that of the current suffering of gay people.

Why? Because in both cases it was/is (blacks/gays) unfair.

I read a good part of that "Society and Sexual Distortion" thread, and you know what I think? It only confirmed many of the suspicions I had about you the minute you posted your reply to my post. You either have very old values, are extremely homophobic, or are an ultra conservative.

Gays are here to stay, whether you like it or not. I don't know what your deal is, since the only problem I'd ever have with a gay person is if he tries to hit on me and never leaves me alone even after respectfully telling him that I'm not gay. Just as long as gays don't do that, I don't have any problems with them and don't forget...they're still people.

I can see the point some people make when they may say that homosexuality is unnatural, since it doesn't actually help in the reproductive process. However, there have been gay people around for as long as there have been humans. It's just how they are, and they can't help it. You seem like a KKK person talking about black people, except instead you're talking about gays. They can't help it, just like black people can't help but to be black. They're born that way.

I hope that made sense to you, though since you seem like a staunch ultra conservative who's probably religious (most people who really hate gay people are very religious), you probably won't be able to make any sense out of it.

By the way, religious ultra conservatives are the kind of person I utterly despise.

Ben

P.S. I'm a Democrat, very liberal, and I'm proud! Vote Democrat in 2004!! Defeat Bush!!

I figured I'd throw that in since you seem like a Bush-voting type.
 

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There's more to it than that...

A lot has to do with all the recently-developed (i.e., biologically unfamiliar) toxic chemicals to which we're exposed, as well as all those female hormones in commercially raised cattle and poultry to make the critters fat and soft -- which is exactly what those hormones do to us.

Perhaps the feminization follows from this as well, and it's a feedback loop of sorts.

So you end up getting pantywaist traitors like Michael Moore, who says he's glad the male gender is fading out in his PC manifesto "Stupid White Men."

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BTW, I don't give a rat's ass if someone's gay. As long as they're not a gay man trying to grab MY ass...
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Right, PRL, media/society is powerful

Originally posted by ShortTimer
I wouldn't care if you did, that wasn't in my post.



I'm saying that the most powerful countries are run by white males and others who view things through racial lenses are jealous of the white males.



It has nothing to do with perception, it has to do with fact. White males do run the economies and militaries of the most dominant forces in the world right now. That alone will make people not like you.
Some of your points are more clear now, I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I do agree about most powerful countries being run by white men..........so what? I don't see that as something to be ashamed of.


I could expound for hours about my views on race and politics, but as others have said, this is not the proper forum to do so.


I'll keep my rhetoric focused on the plight of the other well meaning, law abiding, generally nice guys who get messed with by females on a regular basis.
 

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Re: Abott:

Originally posted by Player_Supreme
I too do not watch organized sporting events anymore...I also watch the cartoon channel (sumari cartoon and dexters labratory) sorry I don't have a neat little list of em...I don't even recall the titles of some of the japanese animation ones.
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Well, no surprise you can't remember those CN anime titles. The best Japanese animation is to be found elsewhere (uncut and intact). I especially reccomend Arcadia of my Youth (or for that matter any Harlock anime as Captain Harlock to me represents what every man should strive for), Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Crest of the Stars.
As far as TV, I might watch the news, some PBS and that's it.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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