The Decline of the White American Male

[Pro]

Originally posted by ShortTimer
Ok everyone; there is a simple solution to most of your frustration here:

STOP WATCHING TV

The TV execs are pushing just one agenda: making money. They sell what they do because it makes them money. If westerns with rugged men made them money you'd see a bunch of them on TV. If homicidal clowns were in you'd see "Bumpo the Balloon-Animal Slayer" on TV. "Everyone loves Gaymond" wouldn't be on TV if there was no market to sell it to.

Women now make up a majority of the population; the CIA world factbook reports that there are now .97 males for every female. Is it any surprise that TV programming caters to the MAJORITY audience? Why do you think there are so few “black” shows on TV? Because blacks make up a small % of the American population, there just isn’t a big enough fan base to support many shows.

Those bumbling guys on those shows are what women really think of us.

I don't know why turning off the boob tube is so difficult for everyone, it's not like you have to watch. Besides watching the occasional news program (I usually just read the news online) I watch two (count 'em TWO) hours of tv a week. The only other time the TV is on is if I'm using my Xbox or I'm watching a DVD.

If everyone who whined about how bad TV is actually stopped watching it, or severely limited their viewing, one of two things would happen: either TV would die out as a fad or programming would get a lot better to bring viewers back.

The solution isn't difficult: stop *****ing like a woman and turn off your TV.

WOOT! I don't watch tv at all!!! Got ya beat!! and I agree...

 

[WestCoaster]

Right, PRL, media/society is powerful

You cannot escape it, even if you turn off the TV. If your radio is on you hear anti-men commericals, if you read the paper or a magazine, you see it. Men are seen as the bumbling fools who can't do anything right. Nevermind that usually the house that woman is living in is thanks to the Mister bringing home a good-sized paycheck.

I didn't start noticing all this man bashing until about half a year ago after going on this site. I saw the billboard in Seattle that I mentioned and I pointed it out to a fellow DJ friend. Now he sees this anti-man stuff everywhere, just like I do.

One needs to open their eyes just to see it.

Which TV show portrays men as strong leaders, loving husbands, and good family men? I can't think of any on the major networks.

But just watch EVERY sitcom like "Friends" or "Everybody Blows Raymond" or "Malcolm in the f'n middle" and you'll see men portrayed as complete incompetent fools.

 

[Trogdawg]

AFCism drives me nutz!!

I'm so sick of that little AFC puke that comes out of me every so often. That stupid feeling that "I'm so lonely. I wish I had someone." It makes me want to vomit when I regain control of myself. What burns the worst is when you look around and you see so many pu-ssies. All decked out with the same clothing, haircut, looks in general. These are supposed to be men. MEN! Look back in history it is MEN who shake the earth. It's MEN who explored, conquered, battled, invented, and overcame. Now look at us! True men are so few. So far between. Some of you believe that this is a gift. It just means less competition. Listen to yourself less competition?? What makes you strong? What makes you the best you can be ?? Competition!! "Loser's say they'll try their best! It's winners who go home and fvck the prom queen!!"

This website is a choice website. It's a choice to just sit back and watch our kind not just die, but be dragged into the mud of society. To be nothing but walking ATM machines. If you don't believe this is happening, I'm a teller. I can't keep track of how many husbands, or wives depositing their husbands checks, into the wifes account. Most will take like $20 and say it's their allowance. ALLOWANCE!!?? You work your ass off for 80 plus hours in two weeks and you get a $20 allowance?? Now I understand that a marriage requires sacrifice, and that having a family isn't the cheapest thing. So I want to know why is it that every girl I work with buys new clothes, goes shopping, drives the nicer car, eats well, yet their husbands rarely do any of this?

True story, don't kid yourself if you think this rarely happens. One woman I work with not only wears the pants, she has a leash on her husband. She told me that her husband would never fill the dishwasher with dishes. He'd just leave the dirty dishes lying around in the kitchen. So one night she put all the dirty dishes on his side of the bed. (not kidding) When he got home that night after work he went to lay down and lo and behold a pile of dishes. So he slept on the couch. Now when I heard this story I thought so he just got home from work...at night. He is in the Air Force and in the military it isn't uncommon to draw the night shift or have to work 12 plus hours some days. It's part of the job. So he is working his butt off til bedtime and when he gets home he has to put up with this shiat? If that was me she'd be sleeping on the couch...WITH THE FVCKING DISHES!!

The other option is to help each other out. If I had a solid group of male friends I'd have the support I need to say fvck off to any female who thinks she can own me. I'm not talking players here, I mean real men. Help your brothers out guys. If every point of society is telling us to be wimps than what else is there? But if a part of society is telling you to be a MAN. And that part shows you what being a MAN is like. Society will change.

Despite what this post sounds like I do enjoy women. It's just there are so few women out there. Most are just whiney little girls. Just because they have tits does not entitle them to your attention. Help your brothers out, give your friends advice, show them the right way and they will see the truth.

Being a man should be an honor and a noble thing. Yet when you watch tv it's men who are portrayed so poorly, or as evil villans. Help all the boys out there become men.

 

[joey37]

I'm really sick of some of you on this board that keep bringing race into it. You talk about unfair portayals by the media: Some how down the line, through movies, tv, what ever, the WHITE MALE= SOFT.


This is a bunch of garbage. I know plenty of black, asian and spanish men who are door mats to their wives.

I am a white male of european ancestory and I think it's fair to say I could whip any minority male's ass on this board. Include the coward playersupreme



Tough is tough no matter what color you are. Get this shlt out of your heads about white men.


I do agree that the media makes most men look like dufus', but thats not only limited to white men.

 

[Dark Nimbus]

I think it all comes down to lack of socializing with other men due to the anti social lives we now live thanks to technology. We're constantly getting messages shoved down our throats. You think we can just turn off our TV's and not be affected? Think again, there's so much advertising you're not even consciously aware of that you'll NEVER escape it unless you move to a deserted island or Siberia. People themselves are walking billboards with the clothes they wear and what's written on it.

I think men from India are usually DJ's because they spend more time around other guys talking then at home getting chewed out by the wife. They communicate and form some standards about treating their wives, and most of them don't waste their time watching television. I live in Canada and notice older Indian guys are always out amongst other guys. It's like a boys club, just like this site is. My sisters boyfriend is Indian and this guy is a natural DJ, he doesn't let her control him, and it's funny to watch how hung up on him she is.

The only way guys will change is gradually over the years through better advertising/TV shows geared for men, or the quick way, SURROUND YOURSELF BY REAL MEN and learn from them.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Trogdawg,

I'm doing it!

That is what I'm trying to do by being on this site...and I tell every man I see the same thing...and mant of them are in their 40's and 50's - they don't want the divorce for the kids-sake or financial reasons. And they don't want to play the pursuit game anymore.

There are reasons why men put up with shyt and it is not always because they are afc! Many of them cheat on their wives and have other women but don't want the consequences of a divorce. I'm talking about the ones that stay with their wives.

Actually many men are getting divorces today, and have refused to 'bow down' to women!

 

[Trogdawg]

I will agree with you about it not only being white males. Most major sitcoms only envolve white males. So white males are being stereotyped the worst in this case. Yet it is all men who need to act on this.

Joey, I really don't care who you can or cannot beat the crap out of. Okay, you are never going to hunt anyone down on this board just to beat the crap out of them. If you didn't add that last paragraph in your post, your entire post would have had no relation to this thread.

If you want to compare dikk sizes go to a public restroom or something I really don't care how tough you are, or how tough you have to act. What I do care about is the huge amount of men who dive on a puddle so that a girl doesn't have to get her shoes dirty. And when they do this they receive absolutely no APPRECIATION for it.

It saddens me like nothing else.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Joey,

Yes, afc men are of every color and race. I was just thinking the same thing as you yesterday about the influx of the 'white' label on this forum.

It is that 'white europeans' men and women are at the forefront of this change and have spearheaded the 'weakening of the male and strengthening the female' in the last 30 years through their media outlets and have exported their culture en masse around the world. So of course 'everyone' looks at and speaks of the condition of the white male and white female because that is predominantly what we see on TV and movies.

Others are not to blame for what whites have created and the mindset that is prevalent in male/female relationships through the programming and conditioning of the mass media.

Those in the media are working to portray blacks and latinos in this image as well. You'll see it in full force soon!! It is only a matter of time!

And being a man has nothing to do with whose ass you can kick. I haven't seen a fist fight between men in 20 years, but I've seen many dead ones.

 

[joey37]

Puertorican lover,


I wasn't equating my "manhood" with how well I can fight. I was merely pointing out the fact that the media likes to portray white men as these sniveling little ass kissing men, when most of us are not.

As far as white people not being able to blame the media for what we've started, I don't think we've starting anything. One of the most derogatory show towards men in recent years has been the "Oprah Winfrey" show and as far as I know, she's black.


I find it funny how nobody talks about some black people being responsible for their own situation, I don't here you telling some lazy ass black gangsta that he's shouldn't blame society.


My point is this, I'm not racist, I think we as men are denegrated in society, let's not bring race into this discussion.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

Oprah gets her power solely from white middle-aged woman and she is just a medium by which their agenda gets across. Rarely does Oprah comment on the agenda for 'black' women only. Oprah loves homos by the way and pushes their agenda, that is partly why she is still on the air. Advertisers love women with money - Oprahs audience.


Joey, my point was that sub-groups within the white community are the ones who own and program this message of the weak male / strong female. Hor - homos - and feminists! See "society and sexual distortion" thread.

Black and latinos have much more severe problems than white males and this is not the place to expound on them. It is that approaching women is not one of them!

I agree, all men of all races in America have degenerated when it comes down to claiming our own sexuality. It has become societal!! Mass media has mass appeal.

 

[Tango-Kid]

Excellent post, Trogdawg!

However, I came to think that are we just glamourizing the history, or have most of the guys always been afc:s, not only the "men" of today?

I do think that it´s getting worse. But men have always had that afc hidden inside. Men were not only knights and warriors and conquerors, but also weak afc´s who sold their lands and lost their kingdoms in front of a woman!

However, all this equality and new "culture" is making women come out more strong. We can´t blame women for that! It´s up to us men to put the limits.

I do think that equality is a good thing! But for me it doesn´t mean that women are leaving the responsibilty of taking care of her kids to some babysitters, nor does it mean for me that the wife is fooling around in the clubs and bossing her husband. For me it means that men and women are different, they have their own role, yet they both should respect these roles. Men and women should not be each other´s enemies!

By saying that the afc:ness among most guys is also a good thing, I´m just trying to find something good about it. But it is true: the afc:ness of men is really making huge troubles to the society and mankind.

I realize this is an international phenomenon, but it is mostly going on because of the western pop-culture with no authorities and limits. If you look at some fundamental islamic countries for instance, you can´t really say that afc:ness is going on! Or if you look at most asian countries, who have kept their coulture and gender-roles for milleniums, you can´t see this happening. Nor in ANY culture that has managed to keep their traditions and culture!

What we can do, is to help each other out, like Trogdawg suggested. We are real MEN, and that´s what we shall teach our sons to be aswell!

Tango-Kid

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

I think this is a bunch of bull**** man. I mean... society has always tried to push certain ideals on its members. However... it is still up to the person whether or not they buy into it. The Pilgrims did not like the Church of England... what did they do... leave. Winston Churchill was not feeling the Catholic Church... he did something about it. Black people did not like slavery... they did something about it. I love listening to people who believe that we are all of a sudden powerless to mass media. **** mass media... plain and simple. If I (and many other people) can not follow society and be the man that they want to be... every other man can as well. I do not feel sorry for those guys... as a matter of fact... I laugh at them. I laugh at them, because they bought into the program.

Nothing has changed gentlemen... society always has and always will try to push it's ideals on to you... it is just how the system works. The only difference now is, it can be spread a lot quicker now due to mass media. Follow it if you want to gentlemen... but society can kiss my ass.

The Rules... Have Changed

 

[Don Juanabbe]

You know what? I've only started my long journey away from AFCness. I figure, damn, I want to tell my closest friends about this stuff, and I do try, but man, they either make fun or just plain won't listen. Some of guys I know are so far gone I think they'll never see the light. They look at me with shock and protest if I say anything remotely politically incorrect. So I say to hell with it, languish in your ignorance.

 

[ShortTimer]

Re: Right, PRL, media/society is powerful

Originally posted by WestCoaster
Which TV show portrays men as strong leaders, loving husbands, and good family men? I can't think of any on the major networks.

Smallville isn't the best TV in the world but Jonathan Kent has never been shown as bumbling or dumb. Clark is a little more awkward, but that's to be expected of a teen-ager. From what I know it's doing pretty well in the ratings too.

But just watch EVERY sitcom like "Friends" or "Everybody Blows Raymond" or "Malcolm in the f'n middle" and you'll see men portrayed as complete incompetent fools.

Yup and that's one of the big reasons I don't watch.

Try movies like Gladiator or Saving Private Ryan for strong male rolls. Even the recent Lord of the Rings has good male leads. I think Aragorn (the king) says something to the effect of, "... the men of the West still have strength in them..." right before he leads them into battle.

You talk about unfair portayals by the media: Some how down the line, through movies, tv, what ever, the WHITE MALE= SOFT.

I find this pretty ridiculous. Let's see, the wealthiest nations with the strongest militaries in the world are all lead by... white men. A particular one of those nations who is now occupying two "undefeatable" Muslim nations is run by... a white guy. Around the world one of the most common languages spoken is English, you know that language first used in England... by a bunch of white men.

It's called jealously.

 

[joey37]

Re: Re: Right, PRL, media/society is powerful

Originally posted by ShortTimer
Smallville isn't the best TV in the world but Jonathan Kent has never been shown as bumbling or dumb. Clark is a little more awkward, but that's to be expected of a teen-ager. From what I know it's doing pretty well in the ratings too.



Yup and that's one of the big reasons I don't watch.

Try movies like Gladiator or Saving Private Ryan for strong male rolls. Even the recent Lord of the Rings has good male leads. I think Aragorn (the king) says something to the effect of, "... the men of the West still have strength in them..." right before he leads them into battle.



I find this pretty ridiculous. Let's see, the wealthiest nations with the strongest militaries in the world are all lead by... white men. A particular one of those nations who is now occupying two "undefeatable" Muslim nations is run by... a white guy. Around the world one of the most common languages spoken is English, you know that language first used in England... by a bunch of white men.

It's called jealously.

I NEVER said I was going to beat anyone up..that's silly, I was merely illustrating a point.

I'm not quite sure what your last sentence about jealousy means? Who's jealous? white men?????


Using world leaders as your example of how "white men" are percieved is ridiculous.

PR LOVER...You are one funny dude who has some good points, I don't agree with everything you say, but you make me laugh and have some valid points.

 

[joey37]

PR Lover, I disagree that blacks and lation's have more "serious" problems than white males. In today's society, we all have problems... I don't buy that bullshlt anymore.

 

[joey37]

Latino's that is

 

[joey37]

Let's get back to the discussion. Whatever race we are, we have one thing in common, WE'RE MEN.

One show that really makes the guy look like a helpless idiot, is King of Queens. I just saw an episode last night where his wife took a job and had to work at night. This fat fvck was whining because he had to sleep alone?????


Really nice image.

 

[Charisma]

I didn't read eevrything, and won't discuss the 'black men have it harder then white men' stuff either. Pointless.

But about the first couple of posts about the men being AFCs (white or not, doesn't matter).

I don't know about you guys, but in my country I'd say about 90% of the next generation of husbands (so in their late teens/early 20's) will settle for less, act differently when there are girls around. Forget about who they are when their girlfriend is there etc...

This has been quite irritating me the last year. I went on vacation with a couple of mates, they were all afcs, and they initially didn't look like they were. One of them was spanish, so I thought he could learn me a couple of things since these guys usually play it pretty damn good. The guy was as afc as it can get. Then another friend had a girlfriend on vacation, when he was with us, he'd be cool and social. When his girl would join us, he'd shut down, and just act so AFC it got irritating.

I tried explaining them you don't have to change when there are girls around, and that if they don't like you for who you are then that's too bad for them.. YOu know what I get from them ? 'You're too picky' 'You're too ****y man, they don't like that' 'You're too straightforward, you could hurt people like this' 'Don't say that **** when there are girls around'.

Hey .. **** YOU ! Why the **** would a man ever cut of his own balls by getting married etc.. and having your wife thinking you're a totally different person then you really are or would want to be.... PLEASE EXPLAIN ?

If a girl would come up to us, and ask us to pay them a drink (hello, get the fvck away ya cvnt !). They would buy her a friggin drink, come on man ! I would explain it, and they wouldn't get it. I'd have 2 girls that week, and even then, it was just 'luck' in their eyes.

Oh, and need I tell you .. these guys were PROUD to be the 'new male' that the media keeps preaching about.

 

[Vigilante7]

Thank god im not american or White