The death of the 'bad boy': How Gen Z has redefined the male heartthrob as alpha males are out and cinnamon rolls, Golden Retrievers and himbos are in

[MatureDJ]

Getting laid is not the only thing that counts.

But it sure as h3ll counts for a lot.

 

[MatureDJ]

We can't change how woman are programmed to behave. Isn't that science right?

Why not?

 

[SW15]

As a former gymcel myself, even with muscles you still need to make the effort to market yourself to healthy and emotionally available women and improve your social skills to maintain attraction and be competitive in the dating market. Muscles might open the door, but it wont skip you ahead of the line or get you served.

Why were you a gymcel? I thought 6'0"+ fit men with reasonably big muscles were 'Chads'. 'Chads' are able to get sex far more easily from swipe apps than normies.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Funny enough was talking to 2 gen Z chicks last night in a bar

We were talking about attraction and one of them actually said she likes sleeping with men whom look like they are gay

I nearly spat my drink out , but those were the words from the horses mouth

the other said she was more into tradtionally masculine men

but I was still very very taken aback

Gen Z is a very very disturbed generation

That salt burn film is a good example

 

[CornbreadFed]

Why were you a gymcel? I thought 6'0"+ fit men with reasonably big muscles were 'Chads'. 'Chads' are able to get sex far more easily from swipe apps than normies.

Because women care more about other shvt than muscles and I sucked at providing it. I could only get lucky one night stands or hookups at parties basically. Outside that, I basically screwed my off and on ex for years until I figured out shvt and in addition got a more leaner muscular build.

 

[Masculinity]

It's over for AlphaCells.

I agree, your average girl might find this attractive in high school, but they move on once they hit college.

I used to ride a motorcycle in college and girls would leave me flirtatious notes on the gas tank. They also used to approach me and start conversations when they saw me carrying a helmet. This situation happened to my other motorcycle buddies as well, both during college and after college.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I used to ride a motorcycle in college and girls would leave me flirtatious notes on the gas tank. They also used to approach me and start conversations when they saw me carrying a helmet. This situation happened to my other motorcycle buddies as well, both during college and after college.

You must be talking to different girls then because I have never heard of any girl within my network dating a guy with a motorcycle.

 

[Masculinity]

You must be talking to different girls then because I have never heard of any girl within my network dating a guy with a motorcycle.

It is important to make the distinction between anecdotal evidence and empirical evidence. In general, women tend to be at least curious about guys with motorcycles (all else being equal of course) than guy without motorcycles (assuming you do not ride a piece of sh!t). Even though there may not be examples within a particular guy's network, the phenomenon still exists. There may also be cases that are undisclosed or unknown to particular guys.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It is important to make the distinction between anecdotal evidence and empirical evidence. In general, women tend to be at least curious about guys with motorcycles (all else being equal of course) than guy without motorcycles (assuming you do not ride a piece of sh!t). Even though there may not be examples within a particular guy's network, the phenomenon still exists. There may also be cases that are undisclosed or unknown to particular guys.

I would argue that If motorcycles were so effective, then you would see more guys riding them to attract women. I will agree that having a motorcycle is a niche max strategy which applies to your anecdotal stories, but your average girl is turned off by them. Personally, I think I would have turned off all of the girls that I dated if they found out I had a motorcycle.

 

[Masculinity]

I would argue that If motorcycles were so effective, then you would see more guys riding them to attract women. I will agree that having a motorcycle is a niche max strategy which applies to your anecdotal stories, but your average girl is turned off by them. Personally, I think I would have turned off all of the girls that I dated if they found out I had a motorcycle.

What is your source? It is okay to have an opinion, but where is the evidence to substantiate it?

 

[CornbreadFed]

If your circle of friends doesn't include motorcyclists, you're unlikely to hear much about women seeking out motorcyclists.
Also, there are many men trying to become motorcyclists, but they'll find that it doesn't work to 'become a motorcyclists to get babes'. Your motorcycle won't attract the babes. The babes will be attracted to the character of a motorcyclist.
On the other hand, a lot of women view motorcycles as 'murdercycles' and wouldn't dream of riding pillion. Those women tend to steer clear from people like me, because I'm not interested in a woman who has a problem with motorcyclists and motorcycles.

Yeah it is a form of niche maxxing. A girl that is into motorcycles is more than likely going aggressively approach a guy on a motorcycle or with a motorcycle on his OLD picture. You are just simply narrowing your audience to a well-defined market that is attracted to motorcycles.

What is your source? It is okay to have an opinion, but where is the evidence to substantiate it?

The source is human psychology lol. If motorcycles were a cheat code to pvssy then you would see a lot of men driving them.

 

[Masculinity]

The source is human psychology lol. If motorcycles were a cheat code to pvssy then you would see a lot of men driving them.

You are mixing correlation and causation. I am not saying that having a motorcycle--in and of itself--will CAUSE you to attract more women and retain them on your c0ck long-term. If you put a beta on a bike, women will notice him in the short term, but they will lose interest after he opens his mouth. The same would be true if you put an obese guy on a motorcycle.

In general though, and all else being equal, the men who ride high-performance motorcycles tend to be different from men who do not. And motorcycles are not the only indicators. Some will race cars, some will be in Wall St., some will be jacked from exercising, some may be entrepreneurs...the list goes on and on.

Yeah it is a form of niche maxxing. A girl that is into motorcycles is more than likely going aggressively approach a guy on a motorcycle or with a motorcycle on his OLD picture. You are just simply narrowing your audience to a well-defined market that is attracted to motorcycles.

I have a motorcycle because I have liked riding since I was eight years old. I am not putting on a costume hoping get la!d. I am a risk-taker, I am disagreeable, and I can be rebellious when necessary. On average, guys who own sports motorcycles and love that lifestyle are qualitatively different from guys who either do not ride a motorcycle or just buy a bike hoping to get pvssy. It is a form of self-selection (see my point in paragraph one). There are also men who are alpha and do NOT ride motorcycles. It is not an all-encompassing phenomenon.

Unequivocally, there will be some women who are NOT attracted to men who ride motorcycles. I am not making absolute claims. There are also women who like betas, women who like cucks, women who like to walk all over guys, sure. I will not attract those women (thank God).

 

[MatureDJ]

The source is human psychology lol. If motorcycles were a cheat code to pvssy then you would see a lot of men driving them.

It's OVER for CheatCodeCels.

 

[Pandora]

I will agree that having a motorcycle is a niche max strategy which applies to your anecdotal stories, but your average girl is turned off by them. Personally, I think I would have turned off all of the girls that I dated if they found out I had a motorcycle.

CornbreadFed...my comrade...this is not true. I say this respectfully. Girls get wet over guys that have bikes. My homies ex cheated on him with a guy that had a bike in Miami. He got her to ride his bike around the city.
How would you know that the average girl is turned off by bikes? Thats not what I have observed. In romance novels the guy either is on a horse or a motorcycle.

Correct me if I am wrong. I dont own a bike but I know guys that do.

Btw a geek on a bike is still a geek on a bike.

 

[Pandora]

You are mixing correlation and causation. I am not saying that having a motorcycle--in and of itself--will CAUSE you to attract more women and retain them on your c0ck long-term. If you put a beta on a bike, women will notice him in the short term, but they will lose interest after he opens his mouth. The same would be true if you put an obese guy on a motorcycle.

In general though, and all else being equal, the men who ride high-performance motorcycles tend to be different from men who do not. And motorcycles are not the only indicators. Some will race cars, some will be in Wall St., some will be jacked from exercising, some may be entrepreneurs...the list goes on and on.



I have a motorcycle because I have liked riding since I was eight years old. I am not putting on a costume hoping get la!d. I am a risk-taker, I am disagreeable, and I can be rebellious when necessary. On average, guys who own sports motorcycles and love that lifestyle are qualitatively different than guys who either do not ride a motorcycle or just buy a bike hoping to get pvssy. It is a form of self-selection (see my point in paragraph one). There are also men who are alpha and do NOT ride motorcycles. It is not an all-encompassing phenomenon.

Unequivocally, there will be some women who are NOT attracted to men who ride motorcycles. I am not making absolute claims. There are also women who like betas, women who like cucks, women who like to walk all over guys, sure. I will not attract those women (thank God).

Lets stop the bs. Girls like the bike archetype. There is a reason some of the hottest chicks are part of sport bike clubs. Are these girls quality? Heck no..but they are hot. Btw I am agreeing with you.

I wish I could ride but I am afraid. Working in EMS scares the crap out of you when it comes to bikes.

 

[MatureDJ]

Motorcycling, whether sport or recreation or lifestyle, is a niche. He's right about that, but the conventional view of the 'biker' is an exciting rebel these days, while there's still a masculine 'bad boy' aura around motorcycling, so women far outside the niche are (often secretly) attracted to the 'bad boy'.
So even walking around in leathers and a helmet in your hand can make you mucho macho attractive to a lot of 'ladies' who you wouldn't expect to be attracted to the rough biker type.

This guy mogs every motorcyclist around.

 

[oliver109]

Because women care more about other shvt than muscles and I sucked at providing it. I could only get lucky one night stands or hookups at parties basically. Outside that, I basically screwed my off and on ex for years until I figured out shvt and in addition got a more leaner muscular build.

It depends on the size of the muscles as well, a very tall muscular man would have to be mentally ill to struggle with women.