the bonus effect of looks

[danielzxc]

I've gone over this literally dozens of times. Women can ADMIRE good looks without REQUIRING them. You know, kind of like they can admire a Rolls Royce without requiring a man to drive one?

So if such a woman happens to meet a guy who happens to own a Rolls Royce, wouldn't this increase said guy's chances with the woman in question? In case you miss it, the connection to looks is the man possessing a trait admired by the woman, such a man's chances with a woman admiring that trait experiencing an increase.

The pleasure of shooting a man down trumps the pleasure of sex.

Do you honestly believe that? We're talking about some pretty intense pleasure here (think of a female orgasm). Turning a guy down really beats that? How/why is it that women have so successfully prevented the emergence of such pleasure to penetrate common culture in any appreciable way? I mean, it's become well known in the past fourty or so years how intensely women enjoy and desire sex (or romance, at the very least). If rejecting guys was an experience even more pleasurable (therefore desirable) than this, wouldn't this have somehow culturally manifested itself to a similar degree?

Personally, I don't believe turning guys down is much of pleasure for most women most of the time. I imagine they find it a rather unpleasant, though necessary, task. In fact, I can't believe a comparison of which they enjoy more can even be even under discussion; points more to some rather serious psychological issues on the part of the person who'd advance such a claim than anything else, imho.

 

[danielzxc]

All else being equal? Sure. However, I really don't think the Rolls matters anymore considering both men would have confidence, a good personality, and embrace their masculinity. In other words, a guy in a Yugo could nab the girl away from the Rolls-driving dude that only had his money and looks going for him...easy.

But she likes Rolls's. Isn't just plain human nature to seek out things that you like? How can his possession of a Rolls not matter if all else is equal, given that the woman question is--for whatever reason--a huge fan of the car? If all else is equal, and both guys approach her equally confidently etc, why wouldn't she show even just a tiny bit of (though in all likelihood a great deal more) favor towards the guy with the Rolls? Any reason apart from that it shoots a great big hole in your "don't matter" ideology?

If rejecting guys was an experience even more pleasurable (therefore desirable) than this, wouldn't this have somehow culturally manifested itself to a similar degree?

I believe it has. The only guys that are capable of nabbing these women are the strongest of our gender. The guys that don't take the proverbial "no" for an answer. The guys that connect with their masculinity on a carnal level, knowing the role of predator and prey and operate on the most basic instinctual levels. These are the men with confidence. Survival of the fittest. The men that understand all of this without ever knowing this site exists.

That's not what I meant by "culture". I meant in our popular culture, like in our songs, in our novels, in our movies etc. If woman derive so much pleasure from rejecting guys, how or why has this been kept a virtual secret. I mean, just compare it to other things we know people derive pleasure from; the manifestations of it in popular culture abound. Not so with this rejection thing.

So in my opinion, there is a sort of "reverse bell curve" that can be seen when gauging the enjoyment level of rejecting men. The uglier ones enjoy it immensely, especially when the guy is good-looking. The reasons for this should be obvious. The average chicks do it as you said, more as a perfunctory task. The hottest chicks on the planet do it as a sport, and like all sports...they enjoy it just as much as the fuglies. You know how guys go out to the bars to "hunt" for women? There's women out there that go out to the bars just to reject dudes, whether it be for ego-boosting purposes, personal vendetta, or in most cases: for kicks.

That's only arguing that woman enjoy it. Fair enough. Let's agree they do.

The issue was whether they enjoy it more than they enjoy having relationships with men. You haven't provided any evidence of this at all, apart from your claim that you are such a judge of character that we should all just take your word for it. That's not even an argument from authority; it's an argument from self-proclaimed authority, and no one in his right mind would care to entertain it.

 

[ricorico]

You say you're accurate about figuring people out? This quote alone proves you're dilusional. Women all love men with power and security. All things being equal the man with the Rolls will usually win out. Why? Because the Rolld projects power and success ,confidence,determination which women all want in a man in oder to get other women to envy them.

The Yugo represents lack of drive ,respect and the sort of car others laugh at. It's not an Alpha male car. The only women who would pick the Yugo guy over the Rolls guy is a very insecure one with major issues.

But women also are manily into money. That's why guys try to atttain as much of it as they can. The more oney they have, the easier it is to get beautiful women.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

What a stunning revelation.

despite the self evidence of his revelation, many guys on this forum cant seem to grasp the fact that looks are not negligable when it comes to getting hot women.

So you actually need to remove the sarcasm here, becuase this is not only a revelation, but its apparently a controversial one....yeah, Id say it actually must qualify as an authentic revelation on this forum lots of guys on here just dont get it.

but this is all obvious to me