The best method ever! (Works every time!)

[ego]

First, I know I kinda hyped that up a bit with the Title, but there IS a reason.

Stay with me or just hit the back button, because this thread is a little
bit long. For a good reason - Let me lay it out for you:


The secret weapon to instant perfection
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What I'm going to show you isn't a great method at all.
In fact, it's not even a method by itselfs.

It does, however, become one when you combine it with
other methods. I'll get to this in a second.

First, for those of you who doesn't know what I mean
when I say "method", what I mean is just when:

Someone is using a prepared routine of any kind to have advantage
with their attraction and seduction.

And guys, I know you all do this. Especially the people who's new to
the board. You spend time on the internet, buy book and take workshops
to improve your way of interacting with women in terms of attraction
and seduction.

Even when you talk about "Inner game" - that's a method ASWELL.
Methods and routines that follows this scheme:

Inner (game):

(Routine -->) Thought --> Action --> Results

External (game):

(Routine --> ) Action --> Results


SCREW THAT.

This is what we should do from now:

Action --> Results

Seriously. And I know you'll get mad at me by saying that.

It's not about inner game. It's about beliefs. And if you believe
that you gotta change something in your mind to become successful
with women, by adding weird tactics and methods that doesn't even
work, you're lost before you even start.


This is how you do it:
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My method for you, to improve yourself, is simple:

Start taking shortcuts by forgetting methods and routines.

Seriously, it's simple. Stop spending your time learing rituals and
routines, and tap in to what real seduction, attraction and self
improvement means:

Getting results.

So, instead of learing C+F, DLV, AMOG, PUA, DFS, DF93, 2234 and
all other secret language and what it does and what it means, forget
about it all for a second:

Yeah, there I said it again - It's idiotic. I know it helps and improves
you, but for most of the time, it's just stupid and time consuming.
You're taking a longer path instead of just aiming at the results.

What YOU are doing most of the time, is spending it with practice on
how to succeed instead of just going out there and getting the results.

Believe me, it took about 3 years before I understood this. And, it's for your
own good. fe

Stop analyzing and learning "how to" do stuff. Go out and do them. And
don't come back telling me why it didn't work. This is about results,
and no matter what's happening you're getting the result.

Next time you get a phone number, don't come back and ask what do
do with it - CALL UP and ASK OUT. It's that simple.

And, when it comes to picking up women you don't know in the middle
of the street during day time:

Yeah, it does feel weird, and most guys will never be able to do that.
Not in their entire life. So, it's nothing weird if you can't do it either or
you felt like you had nothing to talk about. You will, next time. So, don't
feel bad about it.


Anyway, guys, that's it. What do you think? Would you benefit from this or
have I just spent the last 15 minutes wasting time? ;-)

 

[DavenJuan]

i think what you are trying to get at is the right idea.

the concept of simply DOING is a great idea. just like the 3 second rule. just DO IT. dont think about what, if , maybe, why, how, blah blah. just DO.

HOWEVER, i think that for a lot of people, gaining knowledge on women, and also themselves give some the CONFIDENCE to get to the point where they are comfortable with JUST DOING. they feel they actually have the knowledge or self awareness to be able to JUST DO.

im more of a go and just do it kind of person, but everyone isnt the same.

nice premise though.

 

[Sandow]

it's been said before, but nonetheless, solid advice.

There are 2 types of learning(improvement), semantic and episodic.

semantic is the improvement through literature. This includes books, websites, anything where we learn through reading,

Episodic is improvement through action. This is a superior form of knowledge. Our brains learn more through actual, physical experience.

IE; If I were to to learn how to ride a bike, I can read a manual on how to do it, but chances are I wont get it right away. A better way of learning that task is to go out and physicaly try it yourself, which would be faster than just reading it, then trying it(which applies to this website).

Finally the best way to gain knowledge, is to incorporate both semantic and episodic knowledge, and that is called wisdom.

 

[coacj]

your right cause guys who have no problem with women will not ask people about suggestions, they dont care what happens. thats the atittude that women like. it is best not to think about it and just do it thats having the i dont care mood and it takes pressure off of you

 

[Sandow]

Get rid of your ego and you will see drastic changes in your game.

I think that is what is holding most DJ's back, their ego is huge! An ego is an self-reflective view of yourself, your the only one that sees it that way. Your ego doesn't want you to get rejected, it's holding you back from action. It's making you sensitive, arrogant, conceited, etc. You can have confidence without a huge ego. Once you do that, you'll approach like crazy without fear because you dont give a fvck!

 

[ego]

Thanks for the replies guys!

 

[potato]

This has always been my approach to women, just go for it. Never read any method, never asked for advise, just went for it.

 

[Sandow]

People Like Potato Don't Have An Ego, They Just Do It. Fearless.

 

[Interceptor]

OK, I appreciate your effort.
But, you're asking guys who are clueless on "just doing" when they have NO idea WHAT to do.
I re read your post, and I can't for the life of me find anything remotely helpful.
The thing that I believe you seem to be saying is :

Learn the Principle

Abide by the Principle

Absorb and integrate the Principle
But you seem to advocate Integrate and Apply the Principle to guys who have no idea what the Principle even is and what they mean.

You seem to be saying "Forget going through Step 1 and then Step 2, etc, just go immediately to Step whatever."

We need to identify what it is we want.

ie'" I just want to be a better conversationalist."


"Just do it" Method:

Guy: "So, hey, um...hi...yeah...um..like...like...um do you like World of Warcraft?"
Girl: "huh? What's that?"

Guy: " Um...uh...it's a (meekly) a ..game?"

Girl: "A game?"

Guy: "Uh..never mind."


More like the "um...just do what exactly? Method"



The guy needs to have some sort of blueprint to understand Social Dynamics, a social cvalibration needs to be conceptualized in his mind.

Without the concept, he cannot apply Principles.

Without the Principles, he cannot apply a tactic, and without tactics..he'll never be able to strategize his approach in connecting and attracting and gaining the woman's interest in him.



If we want to "hack away the unessential" we need to have something to hack away from first.

I say go back and write down your points, then try to give examples for each principle , and the results you shoudl be getting from each techique or principle. That way you have it better develped and conceptualized in your mind frist, and then you can teach it to others and help them awaken this in them.


It's kind of like saying : "The best way to learn how to fight, and use Martial Art for fighting is go out there and do it."

Huh? WTF?


That's bad advice.

We have no idea how to fight, and no idea how to apply a Martial Art to different fighting situations, and the advice is to 'just do it".
Do what?!

Now do you see?


If you say it took you three years to get to this point, what did you have in those three years?
Or one day three years ago you sucked, and right now today you just out of the blue said "just do it".

There's a lot more to it than that.

Learn how to conceptualize your ideas, and learn how to better transmit them.

We're open to it, honestly.
Any help I can give, just ask, man.
You're on the right track, but you need to dig deeper.


Take care.

 

[Interceptor]

Now after thinking more about this, I'd like to add that in the seduction community we seem to have an emphasis on "outer game" and less on 'inner game'.
Hence, why there is so much incongruency, and why it is hard to puill off technique when you lack inner game.

So we couldl also add, that Innner Game issues should be at the forefront of your self improvement program, and building authentic self esteem and confidence will eventually free you from having to 'perform' and 'play' a "persona' to a woman you're attracted to, you CAN eventually just be yourSELF.

but, the caveat is , Inner Game should be your main emphasis.
From there, from that foundation, everything will grow...

 

[reset]

Innner Game issues should be at the forefront of your self improvement program, and building authentic self esteem and confidence will eventually free you from having to 'perform' and 'play' a "persona' to a woman you're attracted to, you CAN eventually just be yourSELF.

but, the caveat is , Inner Game should be your main emphasis.
From there, from that foundation, everything will grow...

I agree. Obviously, at some point I have to face my fear of approaching... which isn't as strong as it used to be. At least I know there are things I can do to prepare myself. I have inner work to do. Why NOT do that... there are a lot of guys who think "I'm a wuss because I didn't approach" and that's as far as it goes... "I'm a wuss/I don't approach/I want to get married ASAP."

Might as well add as much to yourself you can so you can at least change that mindset.

 

[Sandow]

Learning the principles, are you serious? How much time you got? 5 days, good.

Obviously I'm not going to respit every piece of knowledge out there. Go read the Bible for that.

It should be assumed that people have a basic idea of what a DJ is all about. This aint AFC.com.

 

[Interceptor]

Learning the principles, are you serious? How much time you got? 5 days, good.

Obviously I'm not going to respit every piece of knowledge out there. Go read the Bible for that.

It should be assumed that people have a basic idea of what a DJ is all about. This aint AFC.com.

Anybody know what this guy is talking about?

 

[Interceptor]

I agree. Obviously, at some point I have to face my fear of approaching... which isn't as strong as it used to be. At least I know there are things I can do to prepare myself. I have inner work to do. Why NOT do that... there are a lot of guys who think "I'm a wuss because I didn't approach" and that's as far as it goes... "I'm a wuss/I don't approach/I want to get married ASAP."

Might as well add as much to yourself you can so you can at least change that mindset.

Reset, you coudl 'add'. and sometimes you have to 'remove'.

There's alot of faulty programming affecting a lot of men these days.

There is also the lack of arenas for men to fully develop their masculinity.

See, one of the basic things we have today, that is severly affecting us, in a negative sense, is our Polarities, or LACK of them.

Many Females have empowered themselves through Masculinity.
NOT through their Femeninity.

And many Males, have not fully embraced their Masculinity, or DEVELOPED it to a significant degree.

So we have Masculine Females, and effeminate Males.

The masculine Women are frustrated becasue there are 'no good men left."
And they NEED a 'strong man'.
And yes, they are somewhat correct. They do need that Masculinity in their lives. But, they must first tone down some of their masculinty, and re balance themselves, and realize and embrace their femeninity.
So what they start to realzie is that they need the most ULTRA Masculine Men for them to realzie their Femeninity.
And that is a difficult proposition this day and age unfortunately.
Does this make sense?
For a masculine womna to feel more femenine and FEEL that POLARITY, she NEEDS an ultra masculine man to turn that switch on.

And if we do have a lack of masculine men, and we can't blame one for not being introduced to it, either through some rite of passage or something, and early emasculating experiences may distinguish the desire to do so and embrace it) then we have that odd role reversal, a gender switch.

We find Femenine Males who are attracted to Masculine women.
But few masculine women are truly sexually attracted to femenine Males.
THEY need the ultra masculine to set them straight, to balance them, to re polarize them into femenine, and nurturing women, not manly females.

How many men here are attracted to masculine women though?

Ever hear how some women keep repeating that they hate that 'they intimidate men"?
More often than not, it's not 'intimidation' purely, it's that they are thrown off by the woman's Masculinity.


Now, sometimes we can see attraction based on what is missing in one's self.

For example, a femenine man may feel that he is missing masculinity, so for some reason he seems drawn to masculine women, to re polarize him.
And some masculine women, will partner a femenine man because her masculinity is to dominate, so she will be with him so that she feels fulfilled by dominating the male, and using him for resources.

So it becomes this kind of twisted self realization, but by the less informed.

 

[reset]

Yeah it's weird. I don't know. I don't feel like a "feminine male" but at one point I did. (from 16-19 I was becoming a DJ--then I started hanging out with guys with low self esteem and lost my momentum).

Now I feel more like a man everyday. And when I had girls around I felt even more of a man. I learned to set boundaries, not chase them around like a puppy dog, be assertive, direct. I learned about a lot of the drama and how to handle it (and why they were reacting to me not supplicating). Like I was becoming fluent in a new language and finding it was coming more naturally.

I guess my problem was that it was relatively new. I was on track and was building my self-esteem but it was self-esteem based on women's validation, absolutely. So when the girls leave along goes my self-esteem with them.

But I have been attracted to bytches and drama queens. Girls that are cruel and you have to prove yourself to. That did it for me. It was exciting but they don't care about you. I guess that's a masculine woman and I have to move away from that. I'm trying to REMOVE the things in me that resonate with that type of "woman".

 

[Interceptor]

Exactly.
What you were dealing with was that 'demanding' Frame the women had. And that was this masculine, dominating "Prove yourself to me" Frame, which very very few Men want to deal with at all.

Hence, why women set a strong "Gulity 'till you prove yourself innnocent" frame. Because they are so "HARD" and more in tune with Masculinity, than their inner Femeninity. They were never taught how to find strength in being a Woman, a LADY. They only learned how to be a MAN. Funny. huh?



That's what we have nowadays.
Those 'hard' women, who have solid WALLS as their Personal Boundary, and strength and perspectve from Masculinity, not Femeninity.

So no wonder many Men have such an unusually difficult time truly connecting to females.

And part of the reason is twofold, Males who aren't fully realized mature and masculine, and masculine females who won't let their 'guard' down and be 'vulnerable' and femenine.
So you have guy after guy trying desperately to connect to a woman who is NO GOOD for him!
If he is slightly efeminate, he cannot understand why he is so drawn to the dominant Masculine woman.
So he experiences failure after failure.
And so does the woman too.
And often, neither know WHY.

 

[Punisha]

Well like Bruce Lee once said ''willing is not enough, we must do'' and i believe thats the essence of your method wich is theonly true method.great advice there


Ps:why does everyone talk about World of Warcraft?lol

 

[reset]

So you have guy after guy trying desperately to connect to a woman who is NO GOOD for him!
If he is slightly efeminate, he cannot understand why he is so drawn to the dominant Masculine woman.
So he experiences failure after failure.
And so does the woman too.
And often, neither know WHY.

No clue what you're talking about (lol).

Yeah well they say we try to recreate our childhoods through our "mates", never felt connected to my mother who left when I was young and was very damanding, my dad was destroyed by the divorce, withdrew into himself and never dated... and I can see myself repeating it. At least I can SEE this crap. I don't have to always dwell on it. But I feel like I'm going through what I should have gone through as a young teen, learning about being a man.

I grew up thinking I was supposed to act like a chick. No way around it. THIS IS why inner game is important. I'm not going to turn into my Dad and spend the rest of my life mourning the loss of a woman who wasn't good for him to begin with.

MAN I'm getting heavy. Oh well. Lots of things going in my mind lately. I know I'm not the only one.

If you don't have strength at your core you're in trouble when it comes to dating. Period.

 

[LostAndConfused]

If your "just doing" the wrong thing what good is it?

 

[reset]

And part of the reason is twofold, Males who aren't fully realized mature and masculine, and masculine females who won't let their 'guard' down and be 'vulnerable' and femenine.[/B

You know the more I think of this the better I feel about my last oneitis. Yeah, I blew it by walking into her little trap and telling her how I felt, but even BEFORE that... this chick was tough as nails. I saw that "little girl" several times but it was inbetween her lashing out at everyone and people being afraid to call her because they knew they'd get yelled at. I mean I was't a COMPLETE pvssy. She was just stronger than me in the end. Guess I'm saying I should quit beating myself up like it was ALL my fault and that I lost some AMAZING woman. I didn't.

Anyway. Not to derail. :rockon: