Student gets tazed for not having id...

[Deep Dish]

At least in NYC, a police officer is required by law to respond in the affirmative to a request for his or her badge number. I don't know, but I assume that there is a similar law on the books in LA, so it's at least a violation of his brief. I don't know what bearing that (possible) failure to do his job would have on the "resisting arrest without violence" charge.

Yes, the police are universally required to identify themselves when requested. The police are not, of course, required to provide it at the very moment it's requested, e.g. while securing someone. I'm sure that once things calmed down that he was granted his request. The video went only so far while he was still furious, so we're working under the assumption he eventually did.

 

[seanchai]

Yes, the police are universally required to identify themselves when requested. The police are not, of course, required to provide it at the very moment it's requested, e.g. while securing someone. I'm sure that once things calmed down that he was granted his request. The video went only so far while he was still furious, so we're working under the assumption he eventually did.

I understand that people aren't allowed to interfere with the law enforcement action, but the guy was out the door. The other student demanded the officer's badge number and the officer said he would get tased if he didn't back up. I would think the law enforcement action was over at this point, so the threat of force constitutes an illegal action (to the best of my limited knowledge).

 

[Deep Dish]

I understand that people aren't allowed to interfere with the law enforcement action, but the guy was out the door. The other student demanded the officer's badge number and the officer said he would get tased if he didn't back up. I would think the law enforcement action was over at this point, so the threat of force constitutes an illegal action (to the best of my limited knowledge).

If you want to get technical, someone is not officially arrested until the following days when an arrest warrant is signed which validates the arrest. Normally we think of arrest warrants as for wanted fugitives but 99.9% of warrants are issued after the fact. So, in the sense of constitutional law, there's no gap.

[EDIT: Let me state it this way: any time you resist, the police have the right to take reasonable measures against you.]

 

[seanchai]

[EDIT: Let me state it this way: any time you resist, the police have the right to take reasonable measures against you.]

Therein lies the debate. I don't think the action of repeated tasings was reasonable, but you do, and I'm sure there's debate in the legal community that will actually see this pan out. It's going to be interesting and it's going to be taken up by ideologues on both sides.

 

[Deep Dish]

Therein lies the debate. I don't think the action of repeated tasings was reasonable, but you do, and I'm sure there's debate in the legal community that will actually see this pan out. It's going to be interesting and it's going to be taken up by ideologues on both sides.

The anti-police pundits will need to find a better case if they so wish to put a dent in more than 100 years of legal precedent regarding custody and reasonable use of force, especially regarding an almost-never lethal weapon.

 

[doctoroxygen]

The anti-police pundits will need to find a better case if they so wish to put a dent in more than 100 years of legal precedent regarding custody and reasonable use of force, especially regarding an almost-never lethal weapon.

At least 167 deaths in the last 6 years is quite a lot for an almost-never lethal weapon.

This kid's gonna get a massive settlement, and he deserves it. A Taser shouldn't be used for coercive purposes. Violence for coercive purposes is called torture.

 

[Derek Flint]

Arrogant, foul-mouthed little punk got exactly what he deserved, and screamed like a little ***** the entire time.

Guy walks into the library, after-hours when ID is required.

Refuses to comply. Cops are called. Punk cops an attitude with the cops, who begin to escort him out.

Punk starts kicking and screaming like a lunatic.

Cops warn him to comply, or he'll get tasered.

Punk kid tells them to go to hell.

Cops again warn him to stop resisting.

Punk kid tells them to F*** off.

Punk gets zapped, screams like a little ***** and still refuses to comply.

Gets warned again to comply. Punk kid refuses and again becomes verbally abusive, gets zapped again.

I guess he thought the laws don't apply to his spoiled little ass. Well, he thought wrong.`

The only one who escalated this situation and is to blame is the arrogant punk who thought he was above the law and didn't need to show ID where it was required, and thought he didn't have to leave, thought he could be verbally abusive, obstruct and resist without consequence.

And the cops didn't threaten to taze that person for asking for their badge number, they threatened to taze that person because he/she was interfering with an arrest.

That guy sure was a ****y, arrogant little punk until he got zapped, then he screamed like the little b**** that he is.

Screw him.

 

[doctoroxygen]

You wouldn't scream if you were Tased four or five times? Have you ever been Tased?

 

[Derek Flint]

Also, the Tazer that was used is a "Spot" tazer, which doesn't incapacitate the entire body, but produces a shock locally to the area where it was applied.

This whole nonsense about how he couldn't get up and leave and comply because he was paralyzed from the tazer is BS

On top of the guy not taking responsibility for escalating an innocent situation which could have easily been resolved had he shown his student ID as required, the little punk had to be a big drama queen and cause a major scene.

Then he has the gall to play the race card.

Be a Man. Take responsibility for yourself, for your actions. Don't blame others for your own f*** ups. He was in the wrong and instead of rectifying the situation, he made it far worse with his ego, attitude, arrogance and inability to use reason and logic.

Don't be a little b**** like this guy.

 

[Derek Flint]

You wouldn't scream if you were Tased four or five times? Have you ever been Tased?

I've been hit with voltage while doing commercial electrical jobs that kills most people, and no, I didn't scream like that little b**** did.

 

[doctoroxygen]

Also, the Tazer that was used is a "Spot" tazer, which doesn't incapacitate the entire body, but produces a shock locally to the area where it was applied.

I'm not a neurologist, but I think a "spot" shock to the spinal column, like was adminstered to dude when he jumped in his handcuffs, could have a different, more incapacitating effect than, say, a shock to the thigh.

 

[Derek Flint]

I'm not a neurologist, but I think a "spot" shock to the spinal column, like was adminstered to dude when he jumped in his handcuffs, could have a different, more incapacitating effect than, say, a shock to the thigh.

Learn some facts before you start speculating then.

Also, the punk kid went limp before he was tazed, in order to resist, and encouraged others to join in as well. (Passive resist mode)

The main reason that the officers do not want to drag people out and make them walk out on their own two feet is that because subjects are far more likely to be injured while being dragged out than walking out on their own two feet.

Also, it is far more difficult for officers to defend themselves against a hostile crowd when they are carrying someone out, as it also makes it easy for someone to assault them or grab thier firearm.

The guy was given numerous opportunities to comply. He didn't. He got zapped.

His fault, and no one else's.

Guy walks into the library, after hours and refuses to show his student ID even though it is required.

Guy then refuses the officers request and subsequently resists.

Guy becomes verbally abusive and physically non-compliant, and urges onlookers to do the same, trying to possibly incite a riot.

Guy is given numerous chances to comply, and is warned that if he doesn't, then he will be zapped.

Guy becomes even more belligerent and abusive, gets zapped.

Refuses to comply again, and is warned of the consequences.

He gets zapped again.

UCLA will probably cave in to political correctness BS, and settle with this guy out of court, basically rewarding him for being an arrogant, abusive, loud-mouthed punk.

 

[Oxide]

http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/showthread.php?t=12336&page=1&pp=10

read and learn

 

[seanchai]

Learn some facts before you start speculating then.

Do you have the facts on the effects of spot tasing on the lower spinal column to present?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Learn some facts before you start speculating then.

Also, the punk kid went limp before he was tazed, in order to resist, and encouraged others to join in as well. (Passive resist mode)

The main reason that the officers do not want to drag people out and make them walk out on their own two feet is that because subjects are far more likely to be injured while being dragged out than walking out on their own two feet.

Also, it is far more difficult for officers to defend themselves against a hostile crowd when they are carrying someone out, as it also makes it easy for someone to assault them or grab thier firearm.

The guy was given numerous opportunities to comply. He didn't. He got zapped.

His fault, and no one else's.

Guy walks into the library, after hours and refuses to show his student ID even though it is required.

Guy then refuses the officers request and subsequently resists.

Guy becomes verbally abusive and physically non-compliant, and urges onlookers to do the same, trying to possibly incite a riot.

Guy is given numerous chances to comply, and is warned that if he doesn't, then he will be zapped.

Guy becomes even more belligerent and abusive, gets zapped.

Refuses to comply again, and is warned of the consequences.

He gets zapped again.

UCLA will probably cave in to political correctness BS, and settle with this guy out of court, basically rewarding him for being an arrogant, abusive, loud-mouthed punk.

Thanks for posting this. Those web sites weren't telling the entire story and there was WAY too much speculation about what actually happened.

 

[Berlex]

Yeah, those screams were pretty good. I'm trying to figure out a way to convert them into mp3 format so I can listen to them on my iPOD while I drive down the freeway. "THIS IZ UR PATRYIUT ACT!1!" :crackup:

yeah the screams were the best part, that's when I started wacking off! :rockon:

 

[diplomatic_lies]

The cops should've shot the kid on the spot (active resistance carries a death penalty), but I guess they didn't want to rile up the crowd. Dissidence is getting to be a real problem, I've even heard stories of students refusing to allow cops to search their lockers during counter-insurgency ops.

Maybe they should declare martial law around that campus for a few weeks, shoot a few dissidents in plain site, put a bit of fear back into the students. Cuz students tend to be the troublemakers, they spoil it for the rest of us.

 

[THE_ADDMAN]

yeah the screams were the best part, that's when I started wacking off! :rockon:

:crackup: you guys are too much :crackup:

on a semi-related matter, some people actually get off on electrical stimulation :moon:

 

[whistler]

I think it's clear the guy was resisting at first, and the cops were justified in using some force.

But, despite the legal foundation decribed by DeepDish, I think the tazering was probably unnecessary.

Neither the videos nor any accounts I've read suggest the student ever posed a serious threat to the cops. He went limp after being handcuffed, so they tazed him to make him compliant. Only after the tazing did other students get upset, crowd around, and ask for badge numbers.

Whether he could stand after repeated tazerings lasting several seconds seems like a reasonable question. Perhaps he could, perhaps he couldn't.

Is tazing -- or any physical force -- necessary for compliance when someone is simply resisting by going limp?

Why not just carry the guy out?

Why tazer him repeatedly, especially when the tazering angered the crowd in the first place?

Clearly the cops were trying to maintain control, as they should. But physically punishing someone who is detained and non-threatening seems like brutality.

I have sympathy for the cops, and I don't think they should be punished. But I do think they made some poor choices under pressure.

They had a non-threatening guy detained. The tazering only seemed to incite outrage from the crowd and make the cops feel ever-more threatened.



Those of you getting off on saying he deserved it are doing no one any good.

This isn't some stand-in for the disobedient people in your life who make you uncomfortable.

Snap judgments based on stereotypes are what cause mistakes.

No doubt, because I sound somewhat sympathetic, you'll dismiss me for being a bleeding-heart, left-wing, soft, communist, even though I'm no such thing.

Should I right you off as right-wing, knee-jerk, nut jobs?

I could, but that would be unfair and simply inaccurate in my book.

If you must divide people into left/right, good/evil, honorable/lazy, tax-paying/tax-stealing, you should realize that the world isn't really so simple.

 

[doctoroxygen]

Really well said, whistler.