Stop texting and leaving messages

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Whichever fits. I certainly agree with the OP that calls are better than texts, if you are a good conversationalist -- and you should be.

Texts is good for quick exchange of messages in the middle of your busy schedule where immediate responses are not required. Certainly no hard defined rules when to text/call.
 

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Colossus said:
1) Cold calling is awkward...
Sounds like you've identified an area that you need to be better at.

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2) 99% of chicks wont answer an unrecognized number.
How many of those chicks are really high interest? High interest chicks pick up the phone. If 99% of the women you meet won't pick up the phone when you call you need to do better job when you get that number.
 

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Man some guys seem really closed off to trying something that can only help.

If you would like to improve with women you need focus on the things that are important first. If you aren't a good looking guy your conversation and social skills need to be at their peak.

There is a lot of competition out there. If you are hanging around Sosuave you obviously have some work to do. Challenge yourself to get better.

Stop the texting and make the call. It can only help in the long run.
 

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I'm not sitting there TXTing like a machine, but I usually send a few short ones to arrange for the next face to face contact. Why don't I call them?

Well, if you've been dating young women lately, even the ones with sky high interest don't just pick up the phone. And there are very few of them after only meeting a few times or off a cold approach.

Why don't they pick up the phone?

They may be at uni, they may be hanging out with their friends and young chicks these days are less & less confident with answering phone calls from a new guy in front of their friends. There are a million other reasons, and I've read research studies that show how very infrequently young people answer the phone. It's just not something they're used to. The best indicator is data from mobile carriers which show that those younger clients tend to get plans with the free/unlimited or high volume TXT packaged.

Vice versa it's not always convenient for me to call them either. I'm busy at work during the day, and I'm often going straight to training or other things after work. Picking a time to call, which often isn't a good time for both of us, is the last thing I want to waste my time on.

If she answers my TXT straight away though, that'd be a clue that she is available to talk, and if I need to send more than two, I'd call her.

It was very different just 4 years ago. Back then, girls in the same age group (18~25 for me) were much more likely to answer the phone. You can thank cheap smart phones for this development. The TXT functionality on iPhone, Android etc has made TXTing pretty damn convenient & easy to track.

That's why I asked if you Slickster have been dating any young woman recently. Don't get me wrong, I think calling is far better than TXTing, but I can't fight social trends on my own, and it's not a good time to try fight that when you've only just met the girl.
 

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Now, I disagree with everything in this thread. This is wrong way to go about it, and is clearly the wrong way to think. I call this the weak and insecure man's thinking. Do you know why you call it that? Because a guy who thinks like this, is always worried and concerned about what a chick thinks about him, and is afraid to be a man, to take charge, and hold the power over a woman, instead he gives her all the power because he is afraid to be a man, and use every tool he has to his advantage. Instead he worries what she thinks, so he limits his abilities, and himself to his full capability, to appease the woman and her irrational mind. Why a guy would do this is beyond me.

The key to being successful with women is getting them to think about you. You want them to think about you all the time. You want them to think about you during the day, the night, when they are at school, or at work, you want them to want you. If you are good with women, you can be good with them on the phone, voicemail, and through text. All of those work to your advantage, and it seems silly to me why you wouldn't want to use them, and making excuses why you shouldn't text or leave a voicemail demonstrates a weak and insecure man, afraid of his own shadow.

Texting if you do it right, and know how to do it, is the PERFECT way to get a girl wanting you and thinking about you. You do know that when you get a girl's number that she has other guys talking to her, and if she is hot, you can bet she has at least a dozen guys or more in her phone.

You send her a great text or leave a great voicemail, she will be thinking about that text or voicemail for a long time. Maybe even all day if its great. Then if she goes out on a date, she will still be thinking of you, and if you send her a text during a week night when she's on that date, she will read it and be thinking about you instead of her date. Then she will excuse herself and go to the bathroom to text you back and she will be thinking "I wish I was out with him instead of this guy." And that is what you want to do....you want to stand out among the other guys, separate yourself from the pack, show youself to be the winner, the prize, the guy that she wants to have, and show the other guys to be below you. You do that by taking advantage of your tools and using them, not by limiting yourself and being afraid to text her.

Girls text like crazy today, and some barely even talk on the phone. a lot of them are busy with school, work, friends, working out, and with family and daily lives. So a great text is the fastest and easiest way to make contact and the best way to get her thinking of you during the day. Do you have long text daily convos? of course not, but if you do it right, and establish a great rapport with her, you can turn a fun date you planned quickly into a hook up, i've done that before and it works like magic.

Saturday night I met three girls, and got their numbers who were 20 and 21. All three of them said "text me" because those girls that age text and they like doing that. If you do it right, you will make them wanting you like crazy and will escalate things faster instead of being afraid and losing out altogether like the timid guys do.

A few months ago, I got a couple friend requests from girls that were out of state. Another tool some guys say don't use which will help you if you use it right. There was no way I could hang out with them anytime soon, so we talked on the phone but mostly texted. Those fun hang outs that were planned quickly turned into hook ups once I got there.

So if I was afraid to text, leave a voicemail, afraid to be a confident man, I wouldn't of hooked up with them because I would of gotten lost in the pack and would of been a timid man who was afraid to use useful resources that were given to me.

So, yes you should text, leave a great voicemail, get that girl thinking about you, wanting you, and quit being afraid, weak and insecure about what some chick may or may not think about you. Damn, if you're that insecure and worried about what she may think before you even know her, how are you going to be when you actually do get to know her? Even more afraid and timid I suppose, and she will see and sense that very quickly and she will then ignore you and have nothing to do with you. Not very good by any means so don't think that way.

TEXT and use it to your advantage my friends. Don't be afraid to take control, and be a man. And quit worrying about what some chick may or may not think about you. Insecure and weak man's thinking....don't be that way.
 

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IN most cases, I have to say to this poster...YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!

When it comes to "phone conversation", WOMEN...are EXPERTS at screening Losers, nervousness, any type of Trepidation or Anxiety in a Guys Voice. Once they sense this in you, you are gonna quickly create INSECURITY with her...and she will "instinctively" 86 YOU so fast your head will spin.

THEREFORE...in most cases, texting a chick in the beginning stages...is way better than calling. And definitely...much more effective with chicks in the 20's and Early 30s.

Here are some helpful hints (keep in mind that these are just a few tips...and not inclusive of all situations....so all you guys who wanna kill someone...chill out and learn).

  1. Make sure when you get a chicks phone number...you ask her "do you know how to text?" She'll take offense at this....but you want to make sure she does text. She might say "are you kidding...i text hundreds of times a day!" You're response is...."Kewl...i text you later in the week...maybe we can go do something fun!" If she's at all interested...she'll be on the look out for your Text.
  2. In the initial stage of building IL...most guys are "not good" at phone talk....and usually put their foot in their mouths....that why TEX TING is superior. When you text a Girl, she has to respond....or ignore you. IF she ignores you after 3 text messages, see 6.
  3. Many guys don't have a good phone skills nor salesmanship skills (this takes years of training from voice modulation, to pitch, to rhythm, to discernment, etc). A guy who knows how to sell his product (that would be him) is going to have a BIG advantage over the idiosyncratic personality style.
  4. After she's had your dck in her mouth...and knows you, then you can start rapping on the phone...but for the most part...stay away from Phone conversations....PERIOD. IN a woman's mind...there are 2 types of men in the world...those she slept with...and those she didn't. Until you have sampled the Cow's milk...you are in the Second Rung at Best.
  5. If she's not returning your text...YOU can hang it up...she's not interested.
  6. IF 5 is the case, you can leave a simple voice message (using voice inflection and acting skills in the nicest phone voice you can muster because she ain't gonna answer) to MIND fvck her. If you have too....get a couple of Drinks in you to increase the NONCHALANT effect that you are trying to achieve...and practice the lines a few times (like a good actor). Your message will be to the the effect of


    "hey Josie...i got two tickets to the for the Humane Society Charity Event at Chez Panache Restaurant for this Friday. My date is ill...and Its Black tie...but I don't know if you have a formal dress to wear...don't know?...HMMMM??? (pause like you are considering whether or not she will fit in with this affluent crowd)....ANYWAY Hope everything is all Right AND YOU aren't in the Hospital or anything bad? GOOD LUCK with everything...call you another time.... CLICK."


    Your message is confusing...because you never asked her out...AND you just basically put her down....LOL. (all chiks love to show off and EVERY girl has a ****tail dress...even the low-lifes).

    And...you also indicated that you would "call another time"...which in code means "i won't be calling you again...until you get your @hit together....if ever."

    But your put down was done with class...because you think there's something wrong or something must have happened to her (sigh)....LOL (you can make up whatever event you have in mind...but never-the-less, she will think twice about not answering your call...EVEN if she had no interest in you what-so-ever). In the back of her mind...she will think "jeeezz...that dumb arse boyfriend of mine isn't taking me to a Charity Black Tie Event...wtf?"
  7. Delete her number....and the Next time you see her out....IGNORE HER. This will stir the insecurity in her. BUT...you really don't care because these types who give out their numbers just to lead men on have DEEP psychological issues that YOU will never be able to adjust to (*unless you are a psycho case too). Unless, she comes up to you with Hat in Hand...and applogizes for being such an idiot for not texting back...she has NO RESPECT for you...and in that case...YOU HAVE NOTHING to gain by knowing her.

FORGET those chiks who don't text back...they are not interested.

NOTE. if a girl has texted you back on several occasions...a phone call is order...but the call should only be used to set up a date. None of this "hows the weather" BS phone calls that girls do...leave the chit-chat talk to the girls. You are a man...and you are busy planing to take over the world....no time for BS on the phone with some maybe qualified loser chick who thinks she's doing you a favor by answering the phone or texting you back.

Remember, you are the prize...you make the money and you choose who IS WORTHY to get you free time!

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Awesome...!

Love the little jab technique voice mail message...gonna use that one soon (i'm sure)...LOL


IN MOST cases, i think that women who give out their numbers are caught up in the moment. Later they may think "oh geez...i have a boyfriend and i just gave out my number! I better not answer when that guy calls." (or something to that effect).


"yeah..i got 2 tickets to the Opera..and oh never mind...you probably don't have an evening gown to wear anyway...so forget i called. Now...where is that number from that chick i meet the other day...oh here it is...ok...Ciao baby!"​

this will work well...especially if the chick thinks you have a couple of drinks in you....!

LOL...!




acw said:
IN most cases, I have to say to this poster...YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!

When it comes to "phone

~ACW
 

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Hillarious...!

lol...:)



Todd Preston said:

"yeah..i got 2 tickets to the Opera..and oh never mind...you probably don't have an evening gown to wear anyway...so forget i called. Now...where is that number from that chick i meet the other day...oh here it is...ok...Ciao baby!"​
 

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Here's another poster who caters to the weak and insecure man's thinking. A guy who is so afraid to talk to the woman on the phone, so he wants to constantly text her to build attraction and only call her up to set up a potential date. Texting alone does not build attraction, you have to talk with her in order to do that as well. Just texting doesn't cut it. Another guy who is worried and concerned about what a woman will think about him. Once again, giving all the power to her, and leaving him at a disadvantage already even before going out on a date. You already met this woman when you got her number and you spoke with her (unless you met her online) so why should you be afraid to talk to her on the phone? If you are this afraid to talk to her on the phone....what are you going to do when you go out on a date, if you get the chance to? Crap your pants? Stammer and stutter while gulping your spit nervously? You can't pull out your phone and start texting her while your out on the date. That's why this advice doesn't make sense to me, it is the wrong way to go, and takes way too much time trying to impress the chick, taking your power away, giving it all to her, and most of all, worrying about what she thinks, and trying to insult her in the entire process. Doesn't sound too good to me and is a recipe for disaster.

Let's look at what he wants us to do here....

First of all, he wants us to insult the chick, and then hope that she will be still interested enough to text us back in another week, after we tell her we will text her in a week, and she should be waiting patiently for that text.

Then we only should text her, and aren't supposed to call her because she is an expert screener, and will quickly identify that we didn't have years of experience with voice control, voice diction, and voice modulation. She has all the voice pitch monitors hooked up to her phone to test us, and has spent years herself learning voice range and how you should talk with each word and sentence correctly.

If she ignores 3 of our texts, we shouldn't rap to her on the phone even after the first ignored text.

If our three texts are ignored by her after we insulted her, he wants us to have a couple of drinks, make up some phony story, memorize it, take a deep breath, and calmly leave a cryptic voicemail insulting her again, in which she might be too dumb to understand it in the first place, but mostly, she probably won't give a s*** in the first place, because she ignored 3 of our texts, so why should she care about a voicemail you leave her. That makes you look like more of a loser than she already believes that you are.

Seems like a total waste of time to me from the start, putting in way too much effort into this girl, worrying about what she thinks, and insulting her again, after she insulted you after she ignored all 3 of your texts and is probably laughing at you after hearing your lame buzzed voicemail.



acw said:
IN most cases, I have to say to this poster...YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!

Yes, I agree with you that the poster is wrong, but you are wrong too.


When it comes to "phone conversation", WOMEN...are EXPERTS at screening Losers, nervousness, any type of Trepidation or Anxiety in a Guys Voice. Once they sense this in you, you are gonna quickly create INSECURITY with her...and she will "instinctively" 86 YOU so fast your head will spin.

If you spoke to her already and met her in person, you shouldn't be this nervous to talk to her, you already know her, if you're this nervous to talk on the phone, the date if you even get one will be even worse. Are you this nervous to talk to women on the phone? The next random chick I meet when I get her number, when I first call her up, I'm going to ask her if she's a master voice screener, and see what she says.


THEREFORE...in most cases, texting a chick in the beginning stages...is way better than calling. And definitely...much more effective with chicks in the 20's and Early 30s.

Texting is good, but you have to be able to hold a convo because she wants to know if you can hold one. You won't get a date or a second date if you can't hold one. That is why if you're nervous to talk, practice on a couple of chicks first, then you won't be nervous and won't have to limit your abilities.


Here are some helpful hints (keep in mind that these are just a few tips...and not inclusive of all situations....so all you guys who wanna kill someone...chill out and learn).

  1. Make sure when you get a chicks phone number...you ask her "do you know how to text?" She'll take offense at this....but you want to make sure she does text. She might say "are you kidding...i text hundreds of times a day!" You're response is...."Kewl...i text you later in the week...maybe we can go do something fun!" If she's at all interested...she'll be on the look out for your Text.

    Yes, I'm sure she will enjoy the insult and your chances of hearing back from her will decrease. If a chick is interested in you at all, she WILL call or text you back, there is no need to say any of this. I've never met a chick who doesn't like to text at all, and if you meet a rare one who doesn't, if she is in to you...she will text you.

  2. In the initial stage of building IL...most guys are "not good" at phone talk....and usually put their foot in their mouths....that why TEX TING is superior. When you text a Girl, she has to respond....or ignore you. IF she ignores you after 3 text messages, see 6.

    You can't just build IL on typed messages on a phone alone, she needs to hear your voice, your own words and get to know your personality. Typed words just doesn't cut it. Guys that are afraid only rely on texting and that get them nowhere.

  3. Many guys don't have a good phone skills nor salesmanship skills (this takes years of training from voice modulation, to pitch, to rhythm, to discernment, etc). A guy who knows how to sell his product (that would be him) is going to have a BIG advantage over the idiosyncratic personality style.

    How many years are we talking about? 5? 10? Any decent sounding guy can have a decent convo without worrying about this nonsense. If you can't talk to her on the phone when she isn't there....how the hell are you going to talk to her in person when she's looking at your face? It's going to be worse.

  4. After she's had your dck in her mouth...and knows you, then you can start rapping on the phone...but for the most part...stay away from Phone conversations....PERIOD. IN a woman's mind...there are 2 types of men in the world...those she slept with...and those she didn't. Until you have sampled the Cow's milk...you are in the Second Rung at Best.

    Insecure man's thinking....She needs to hear your voice to build IL and attraction, texts and words can't do it alone. She will quickly get bored with texts convos and ignore you. She will then talk to a real man who isn't afraid to talk to her on the phone, build IL, and get a date.
  5. If she's not returning your text...YOU can hang it up...she's not interested.

    That would be obvious, and boring texts will make her ignore you, especially, after you insulted her the first time.
  6. IF 5 is the case, you can leave a simple voice message (using voice inflection and acting skills in the nicest phone voice you can muster because she ain't gonna answer) to MIND fvck her. If you have too....get a couple of Drinks in you to increase the NONCHALANT effect that you are trying to achieve...and practice the lines a few times (like a good actor). Your message will be to the the effect of

    A total waste of time here....why would you spend this much effort on a chick who blatantly ignored you? Going to all this trouble to make her think you are better and she is less, when in your own mind you know that you are a loser because she ignored you, so you make up a phony story to make yourself feel better about yourself. That is being a loser. Why waste your time on her? She already thinks you're a loser to begin with, otherwise she wouldn't have ignored you, then you confirm this to her once again, by making this ridiculous voicemail while drinking, so she can laugh at you while she listens to your ramblings about a phony date. She would probably save it and play it for her friends while they all have a good laugh at you. Again, a total waste of time being very insecure about yourself.

    "hey Josie...i got two tickets to the for the Humane Society Charity Event at Chez Panache Restaurant for this Friday. My date is ill...and Its Black tie...but I don't know if you have a formal dress to wear...don't know?...HMMMM??? (pause like you are considering whether or not she will fit in with this affluent crowd)....ANYWAY Hope everything is all Right AND YOU aren't in the Hospital or anything bad? GOOD LUCK with everything...call you another time.... CLICK."

    The poster below had a better one lol...did you find this in an ebook or something? I'm sure she is laughing her a$$ while hearing this drunken rambling. I know I would.


    Your message is confusing...because you never asked her out...AND you just basically put her down....LOL. (all chiks love to show off and EVERY girl has a ****tail dress...even the low-lifes).

    And...you also indicated that you would "call another time"...which in code means "i won't be calling you again...until you get your @hit together....if ever."

    Yes, I'm sure this is all going through her illogical mind while she is laughing at your voicemail. Why should she care if you won't be calling her back? She ignored your three texts and your voicemail.
 

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(yawns as he picks up his coffee cup...)

Oh jeez...here's another one who didn't finish school.

Its called "Reading Comprehension."

Read for the Theme of the Post.

Taking sentences and Paragraphs Out of Context, then twisting them in a Vain effort to make a point MIGHT work Jr.High Debates (even then they will rip your arse apart).

Pay a Visit to your local Dr. and ask for a script of Ritalin. It will help with your ADD problem.

JS.


ELMER_GANTRY said:
Here's another poster who caters to the weak and insecure man's thinking. A guy who is so afraid to talk to the woman on the phone, so he wants to constantly text her to build attraction and only call her up to set up a potential date. Texting alone does not build attraction, you have to talk with her in order to do that as well. Just texting doesn't cut it. Another guy who is worried and concerned about what a woman will think about him.
 

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Nah...i think you're way off on this one.

Dude is basically telling you how to handle some chik who has lead you on by giving out her number...and doesn't respond to your texting (basically telling her off in a nice way).

Get it?

As far as creating interest by Texting...its definitely a tool that can used with a great deal of success...

I was chating with a HB at the store yesterday (who happened to be texting) and asked her if she ever talked on the phone to her friends...(she must have been 25-30). Her responsed was "...if i have time or its an emergency...yeah i talk....but during the week...i'm too busy!"

YOU need to bone up on PU and learn how to get as many numbers as possible. Believe me...you won't have TIME to leave messages...and BS on the phone when you are workin 5 plus chicks.

PS. On one post you Extoll Texting...but on this one...you put down the poster?

PSS. Your suggestions are way off too. Are you really 25 yrs old?








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Here's another poster who caters to the weak and insecure man's thinking. A guy who is so afraid to talk to the woman on the phone, so he wants to constantly text her to build attraction and only call her up to set up a potential date. Texting alone does not build attraction, you have to talk with her in order to do that as well. Just texting doesn't cut it. Another guy who is worried and concerned about what a woman will think about him.
 

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Tony T said:
Nah...i think you're way off on this one.

How? By being a man and not being afraid to talk to a chick on the phone from the start? Not being worried and afraid about what some chick thinks about you? Wasting time making up a phony story to make your insecure self feel better from being ignored? yeah...ok ....I'm way off.



Dude is basically telling you how to handle some chik who has lead you on by giving out her number...and doesn't respond to your texting (basically telling her off in a nice way).

Get it?

Right....and if you two guys would of understood my post the first time, you both would of understood what I wrote. It is a waste of time. She doesn't care about you, she already thinks you're a loser, because she ignored you 3 times. Why would she care about some stupid phony voicemail you leave her trying to tell her off in a nice way. She doesn't care and will laugh at you for being dumb enough to call her after she ignored you three times. You got ignored, are a loser, so this is some feeble attempt to gain some phony self respect for yourself. A total waste of time. Get it now?



As far as creating interest by Texting...its definitely a tool that can used with a great deal of success...

If you would of read both of my posts, you would see that I think texting is a great method. You just can't rely on texting. You have to be able to talk to her on the phone, just like I said in my posts, if you are nervous to talk on the phone to her, chances are whe you meet face to face, you will be nervous and scared as well.


I was chating with a HB at the store yesterday (who happened to be texting) and asked her if she ever talked on the phone to her friends...(she must have been 25-30). Her responsed was "...if i have time or its an emergency...yeah i talk....but during the week...i'm too busy!"

That is what I stated in my original post and glad you confirm that for me.


YOU need to bone up on PU and learn how to get as many numbers as possible. Believe me...you won't have TIME to leave messages...and BS on the phone when you are workin 5 plus chicks.

Dude, go back and read what I wrote again. You are lost. Where have I said that on here? I didn't. I said that you shouldn't worry about what some chick thinks of you. That you should not be afraid to text, talk, and leave a voicemail. You should be able to do all three of those to be successful. Not just rely on one.


PS. On one post you Extoll Texting...but on this one...you put down the poster?

Read again what I wrote on both. You don't understand what you read. The first guy says NOT to text and leave messages because he is afraid that will ruin his game and is afraid what chicks will think about him. I say you should, just like I eloquently stated above. The second poster just wants you to text because he is afraid of calling her on the phone because he thinks she is an "expert screener" and will ignore you. Both guys are afraid what chicks think about them. That is the wrong way to go. Text her, call her, and leave a voicemail, and quit being afraid.

PSS. Your suggestions are way off too. Are you really 25 yrs old?

Yes I am...My suggestions are not way off, it is how you should be thinking, and what you should be doing to build attraction with women by not being afraid of what they think and using all your resources to make them want you. My suggestions are PERFECT and they work like magic if you do them right. Everybody else here agrees with me. If you two guys want to waste your time calling a chick who thinks nothing of you by trying to soothe your hurt ego then go ahead. Just makes you more of a loser. You know the story is fake and she could care less about you and the phony voicemail you left. Have fun doing it if it makes you feel better. I bet both of you guys must be doing that a lot.
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ELMER_GANTRY said:
....Nah...i think you're way off on this one.

How? By being a man and not being afraid to talk to a chick on the phone from the start? Not being worried and afraid about what some chick thinks about you? Wasting time making up a phony story to make your insecure self feel better from being ignored? yeah...ok ....I'm way off.

(yEP....i'm gonna chime in) So...you think that telling a chick off is not being a man. LOL...dude you need to live a little longer. Come back and talk to us in about 10 yrs...lets see how you feel then. Look up the principle of "self-acutualized" and tell us what it means. I think more guys should tell fvcked up women what they think of them. Its could for the soul.


Dude is basically telling you how to handle some chik who has lead you on by giving out her number...and doesn't respond to your texting (basically telling her off in a nice way).

Get it?

Right....and if you two guys would of understood my post the first time, you both would of understood what I wrote. It is a waste of time. She doesn't care about you, she already thinks you're a loser, because she ignored you 3 times. Why would she care about some stupid phony voicemail you leave her trying to tell her off in a nice way. She doesn't care and will laugh at you for being dumb enough to call her after she ignored you three times. You got ignored, are a loser, so this is some feeble attempt to gain some phony self respect for yourself. A total waste of time. Get it now?

This is reading comphrehension problem....can't help on this median...not enough space. Re-read my post SLOWLY!

As far as creating interest by Texting...its definitely a tool that can used with a great deal of success...

If you would of read both of my posts, you would see that I think texting is a great method. You just can't rely on texting. You have to be able to talk to her on the phone, just like I said in my posts, if you are nervous to talk on the phone to her, chances are whe you meet face to face, you will be nervous and scared as well.

Again...This is reading comphrehension problem....can't help on this median...not enough space. Re-read my post SLOWLY!

I was chating with a HB at the store yesterday (who happened to be texting) and asked her if she ever talked on the phone to her friends...(she must have been 25-30). Her responsed was "...if i have time or its an emergency...yeah i talk....but during the week...i'm too busy!"

That is what I stated in my original post and glad you confirm that for me.

You might have stated it...but in your second, third and now this post, you discounted all creditability you may have earned. You basically bashed anyone who chooses texting as a way of creating interest...and this is just WRONG.


YOU need to bone up on PU and learn how to get as many numbers as possible. Believe me...you won't have TIME to leave messages...and BS on the phone when you are workin 5 plus chicks.

Dude, go back and read what I wrote again. You are lost. Where have I said that on here? I didn't. I said that you shouldn't worry about what some chick thinks of you. That you should not be afraid to text, talk, and leave a voicemail. You should be able to do all three of those to be successful. Not just rely on one.

One more Time...This is reading comphrehension problem....can't help on this median...not enough space. Re-read my post SLOWLY!



PS. On one post you Extoll Texting...but on this one...you put down the poster?

Read again what I wrote on both. You don't understand what you read. The first guy says NOT to text and leave messages because he is afraid that will ruin his game and is afraid what chicks will think about him. I say you should, just like I eloquently stated above. The second poster just wants you to text because he is afraid of calling her on the phone because he thinks she is an "expert screener" and will ignore you. Both guys are afraid what chicks think about them. That is the wrong way to go. Text her, call her, and leave a voicemail, and quit being afraid.

Don't know where you get this FEAR idea....Are you seeing Ghosts too? You're reading way too much into my post...and PROJECTING some principle that you JUDGE against.

We all Hope that YOU get over YOUR FEARs (whatever they are).


PSS. Your suggestions are way off too. Are you really 25 yrs old?

Yes I am...My suggestions are not way off, it is how you should be thinking, and what you should be doing to build attraction with women by not being afraid of what they think and using all your resources to make them want you. My suggestions are PERFECT and they work like magic if you do them right. Everybody else here agrees with me. If you two guys want to waste your time calling a chick who thinks nothing of you by trying to soothe your hurt ego then go ahead. Just makes you more of a loser. You know the story is fake and she could care less about you and the phony voicemail you left. Have fun doing it if it makes you feel better. I bet both of you guys must be doing that a lot.

Ok...try to follow along now...without CASTING your fears on us...

Most guys and people fear rejection (in fact, i think its the number 1 fear). That's why TEXTING was suggested as a way of getting past that fear. Its also and excellent way to build interest Level (if you know how to do it). BUT...if you happen to meet a chick who "leads you on", gives you high indicators of interest, gives you her number...but does not return your TEXT MESSAGES (and you're pissed that she PLAYED YOU)...if you feel like it...leave her a cute voice message that IMPLIES..."her loss."

Now get this (since you didn't get it the first time)....you leave the message NOT because you are INTERESTED IN HER (fvck no...you are pissed remember? go back and read my post), you do it for LIBERATION purposes. (you went off on some tangent about being interested in her and wanting her to call you back and all this ? ? ? LOL...DUDE...read my post....HAHAHA).

YOU MISS-read my post dude...go back and TRY-LIKE-HELL...not to PROJECT into the message. Just read and digest what it says.
 

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How? By being a man and not being afraid to talk to a chick on the phone from the start? Not being worried and afraid about what some chick thinks about you? Wasting time making up a phony story to make your insecure self feel better from being ignored? yeah...ok ....I'm way off.

(yEP....i'm gonna chime in) So...you think that telling a chick off is not being a man. LOL...dude you need to live a little longer. Come back and talk to us in about 10 yrs...lets see how you feel then. Look up the principle of "self-acutualized" and tell us what it means. I think more guys should tell fvcked up women what they think of them. Its could for the soul.
You can tell off any woman you want. making up a phony story doesn't help and she won't care.

Dude is basically telling you how to handle some chik who has lead you on by giving out her number...and doesn't respond to your texting (basically telling her off in a nice way).

Get it?

Right....and if you two guys would of understood my post the first time, you both would of understood what I wrote. It is a waste of time. She doesn't care about you, she already thinks you're a loser, because she ignored you 3 times. Why would she care about some stupid phony voicemail you leave her trying to tell her off in a nice way. She doesn't care and will laugh at you for being dumb enough to call her after she ignored you three times. You got ignored, are a loser, so this is some feeble attempt to gain some phony self respect for yourself. A total waste of time. Get it now?

This is reading comphrehension problem....can't help on this median...not enough space. Re-read my post SLOWLY!

you have one because you want to weakly tell off a girl who was never interested in you in the first place and you choose to only text instead of talking to her.

As far as creating interest by Texting...its definitely a tool that can used with a great deal of success...

If you would of read both of my posts, you would see that I think texting is a great method. You just can't rely on texting. You have to be able to talk to her on the phone, just like I said in my posts, if you are nervous to talk on the phone to her, chances are whe you meet face to face, you will be nervous and scared as well.

Again...This is reading comphrehension problem....can't help on this median...not enough space. Re-read my post SLOWLY!

you only want to text and are afraid to speak to her. What I'm saying is the what the majority of people agree with what I'm saying.

I was chating with a HB at the store yesterday (who happened to be texting) and asked her if she ever talked on the phone to her friends...(she must have been 25-30). Her responsed was "...if i have time or its an emergency...yeah i talk....but during the week...i'm too busy!"

That is what I stated in my original post and glad you confirm that for me.

You might have stated it...but in your second, third and now this post, you discounted all creditability you may have earned. You basically bashed anyone who chooses texting as a way of creating interest...and this is just WRONG.


Never said that. If you had reading comprehension you would know that. I said to text to build IL and attraction, but you have to talk to her as well. Guys like you are afraid to talk, only text, and that is wrong. My credibility is just fine, in fact everybody agrees with me. Who cares if they don't, they can copy your weak way all they want and can tell off uninterested chicks all you want.

YOU need to bone up on PU and learn how to get as many numbers as possible. Believe me...you won't have TIME to leave messages...and BS on the phone when you are workin 5 plus chicks.

Dude, go back and read what I wrote again. You are lost. Where have I said that on here? I didn't. I said that you shouldn't worry about what some chick thinks of you. That you should not be afraid to text, talk, and leave a voicemail. You should be able to do all three of those to be successful. Not just rely on one.

One more Time...This is reading comphrehension problem....can't help on this median...not enough space. Re-read my post SLOWLY!



your post sucks and it is a waste of time because that is what you are doing, afraid she is screening you, so you only text.

PS. On one post you Extoll Texting...but on this one...you put down the poster?

Read again what I wrote on both. You don't understand what you read. The first guy says NOT to text and leave messages because he is afraid that will ruin his game and is afraid what chicks will think about him. I say you should, just like I eloquently stated above. The second poster just wants you to text because he is afraid of calling her on the phone because he thinks she is an "expert screener" and will ignore you. Both guys are afraid what chicks think about them. That is the wrong way to go. Text her, call her, and leave a voicemail, and quit being afraid.

Don't know where you get this FEAR idea....Are you seeing Ghosts too? You're reading way too much into my post...and PROJECTING some principle that you JUDGE against.

We all Hope that YOU get over YOUR FEARs (whatever they are).


just saying it like it is, you're afraid to talk and worried what she thinks.

PSS. Your suggestions are way off too. Are you really 25 yrs old?

Yes I am...My suggestions are not way off, it is how you should be thinking, and what you should be doing to build attraction with women by not being afraid of what they think and using all your resources to make them want you. My suggestions are PERFECT and they work like magic if you do them right. Everybody else here agrees with me. If you two guys want to waste your time calling a chick who thinks nothing of you by trying to soothe your hurt ego then go ahead. Just makes you more of a loser. You know the story is fake and she could care less about you and the phony voicemail you left. Have fun doing it if it makes you feel better. I bet both of you guys must be doing that a lot.

Ok...try to follow along now...without CASTING your fears on us...

Most guys and people fear rejection (in fact, i think its the number 1 fear). That's why TEXTING was suggested as a way of getting past that fear. Its also and excellent way to build interest Level (if you know how to do it). BUT...if you happen to meet a chick who "leads you on", gives you high indicators of interest, gives you her number...but does not return your TEXT MESSAGES (and you're pissed that she PLAYED YOU)...if you feel like it...leave her a cute voice message that IMPLIES..."her loss."

If you were successful with women and got past your fear stage there would be no need for this. Because you would of had numerous occasions to get over your fear of rejection. This is the difference between insecure, afraid, weak, timid men, and the guys who are confident, successful, and know what they are doing.


Now get this (since you didn't get it the first time)....you leave the message NOT because you are INTERESTED IN HER (fvck no...you are pissed remember? go back and read my post), you do it for LIBERATION purposes. (you went off on some tangent about being interested in her and wanting her to call you back and all this ? ? ? LOL...DUDE...read my post....HAHAHA).

wtf? where did I say that? See, you don't or can't understand anything that I write. Like I said in each post.....she doesn't care about you and making yourself feel better with a lame phony story to make her feel bad isn't going to work because she doesn't care about you. Go ahead and waste your time with your liberation purposes.


YOU MISS-read my post dude...go back and TRY-LIKE-HELL...not to PROJECT into the message. Just read and digest what it says.


You can't understand mine and you still can't with your weak insecure thinking. It is exactly what you are saying. You are afraid of rejection and afraid to talk to her so you only text while she is uninterested and you have to tell them off. Good plan. Too bad nobody agrees with you. You sound like falcon talking about reading comprehension, and saying SLOWLY....no wonder I see failed advice lol. you are a waste of time just like your post.
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Jitterbug said:
I'm not sitting there TXTing like a machine, but I usually send a few short ones to arrange for the next face to face contact. Why don't I call them?

Well, if you've been dating young women lately, even the ones with sky high interest don't just pick up the phone. And there are very few of them after only meeting a few times or off a cold approach.

Why don't they pick up the phone?

They may be at uni, they may be hanging out with their friends and young chicks these days are less & less confident with answering phone calls from a new guy in front of their friends. There are a million other reasons, and I've read research studies that show how very infrequently young people answer the phone. It's just not something they're used to. The best indicator is data from mobile carriers which show that those younger clients tend to get plans with the free/unlimited or high volume TXT packaged.

Vice versa it's not always convenient for me to call them either. I'm busy at work during the day, and I'm often going straight to training or other things after work. Picking a time to call, which often isn't a good time for both of us, is the last thing I want to waste my time on.

If she answers my TXT straight away though, that'd be a clue that she is available to talk, and if I need to send more than two, I'd call her.

It was very different just 4 years ago. Back then, girls in the same age group (18~25 for me) were much more likely to answer the phone. You can thank cheap smart phones for this development. The TXT functionality on iPhone, Android etc has made TXTing pretty damn convenient & easy to track.

That's why I asked if you Slickster have been dating any young woman recently. Don't get me wrong, I think calling is far better than TXTing, but I can't fight social trends on my own, and it's not a good time to try fight that when you've only just met the girl.
Jitter the biggest stallion I know right now doesn't even own a cell phone! "Cuz he thinks they're stupid!" is what he says. The guy is 28 and consistently gets laid by different hot chicks all the time. He's nothing special to look at but just a really cool guy. I hang with him and his buddies every week and watch the show. You won't convince me that there's something "new" going on via text. Passing notes digitally will never be more than just passin' notes.

You seem to be making more excuses...
 
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acw said:
IN most cases, I have to say to this poster...YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!

When it comes to "phone conversation", WOMEN...are EXPERTS at screening Losers, nervousness, any type of Trepidation or Anxiety in a Guys Voice. Once they sense this in you, you are gonna quickly create INSECURITY with her...and she will "instinctively" 86 YOU so fast your head will spin.

THEREFORE...in most cases, texting a chick in the beginning stages...is way better than calling. And definitely...much more effective with chicks in the 20's and Early 30s.
Thank you for disagreeing with me and proving my point at the same time. :)

The point is for guys to learn how to talk to women. Stop being the anxious, nervous, insecure, loser and become a guy who is calm, confident, cool, funny, and charismatic.

Stop hiding behind texts.

acw said:
Make sure when you get a chicks phone number...you ask her "do you know how to text?" She'll take offense at this....but you want to make sure she does text. She might say "are you kidding...i text hundreds of times a day!" You're response is...."Kewl...i text you later in the week...maybe we can go do something fun!" If she's at all interested...she'll be on the look out for your Text.
Substitute the word "text" with "call" and your ^^^ example is better.

acw said:
In the initial stage of building IL...most guys are "not good" at phone talk....and usually put their foot in their mouths.

Many guys don't have a good phone skills nor salesmanship skills (this takes years of training from voice modulation, to pitch, to rhythm, to discernment, etc). A guy who knows how to sell his product (that would be him) is going to have a BIG advantage over the idiosyncratic personality style.
Yep, most guys need to learn better communication skills.

acw said:
IF 5 is the case, you can leave a simple voice message (using voice inflection and acting skills in the nicest phone voice you can muster because she ain't gonna answer) to MIND fvck her. If you have too....get a couple of Drinks in you to increase the NONCHALANT effect that you are trying to achieve...and practice the lines a few times (like a good actor). Your message will be to the the effect of


"hey Josie...i got two tickets to the for the Humane Society Charity Event at Chez Panache Restaurant for this Friday. My date is ill...and Its Black tie...but I don't know if you have a formal dress to wear...don't know?...HMMMM??? (pause like you are considering whether or not she will fit in with this affluent crowd)....ANYWAY Hope everything is all Right AND YOU aren't in the Hospital or anything bad? GOOD LUCK with everything...call you another time.... CLICK."


Your message is confusing...because you never asked her out...AND you just basically put her down....LOL. (all chiks love to show off and EVERY girl has a ****tail dress...even the low-lifes).

And...you also indicated that you would "call another time"...which in code means "i won't be calling you again...until you get your @hit together....if ever."

But your put down was done with class...because you think there's something wrong or something must have happened to her (sigh)....LOL (you can make up whatever event you have in mind...but never-the-less, she will think twice about not answering your call...EVEN if she had no interest in you what-so-ever). In the back of her mind...she will think "jeeezz...that dumb arse boyfriend of mine isn't taking me to a Charity Black Tie Event...wtf?"
I'm just speechless :p:
 

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Okay, there are far too many excuses being made here.

99% of the chicks don't answer the phone
If you have a 99% failure rate then you are doing some thing REALLY wrong. Give me 100 strange girl's cell phone numbers and I'll do better than that just sending good vibrations while dialing. If you're failing this badly you have to make changes to whatever you are doing before you get the number.

Girls are shy
Part of increasing a girl's IL is making her feel comfortable. Do better.

Girls are busy
Girls have their cell phones at all times and can't be without. If she's interested she'll make time.

I don't have time to call
Texting takes far more time and effort to get your point across. Especially if you are attempting to increase her IL. A good phone call puts you miles ahead.

Girls don't want to talk to a stranger
You did a really poor job when meeting her then if she thinks of you as a stranger.

Girls say they prefer text
Hot girls have all kinds of guys orbiting and texting them all the time. They are talking to the guys they really like. Maybe that's why you are having such poor luck getting girls on the phone. Some guy with balls is actually talking to her.


Guys who are really good at getting women aren't d!cking around leaving messages and playing pass the note like a bunch of school girls. These guys are calling chicks, getting dates, and getting laid.

Once again if your conversation skills are lacking then you are wasting your time worrying about text game.

Stop texting and learn.
 

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Slickster said:
Jitter the biggest stallion I know right now doesn't even own a cell phone! "Cuz he thinks they're stupid!" is what he says. The guy is 28 and consistently gets laid by different hot chicks all the time. He's nothing special to look at but just a really cool guy. I hang with him and his buddies every week and watch the show. You won't convince me that there's something "new" going on via text. Passing notes digitally will never be more than just passin' notes.

You seem to be making more excuses...
Yeah, whatever works for you brah...if you have phone game down, that's cool, and I can see how it would work.

Personally though, I prefer texting, seems to work okay.

In the early stages, as well, say you get 5 girl's numbers off online, texting is perhaps more efficient since you can mass message them, and then gauge and cull them based on how they respond.
 

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Gotdayum....!

I've never seen more CONFUSION from members here in my Life...LOL.

ON one hand...Slickster is saying texting sucks...but then uses a quote from some dude (who champions it) to put it down?

bah ahahahahha.....

This is turning into an Abbott and Costello movie....!


HERE'S THE TRUTH
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The phone, whether you Text or Not...is a secondary form of communication. There is no substitute for one-on-one communication....That's face-to-face, eyeball to eyeball conversation....PERIOD.

TEXT VS CALL
Texting or Calling is used to create IL. You wanna call...and not leave messages...you wanna call and leave messages...Good Luck. Make sure you're dating some Dinosaur because the Chik you are calling is gonna wonder "if you have a job or life outside of her." I don't care if you THINK she has no interest (*because she's not answering the phone). If you're gaming 4-5 chiks (which is what you should be doing)...you aint' gonna have time to chit-chat on the phone brah! Do the Math....

ELMER
SHE gave you her number....what makes you think she has low interest level Elmer? You spend time with her...you exchange numbers....Explain to us, why a chick would give you her number (in that situation) and not answer or text back....???

We'll be waiting anxiously for your response.



Slickster said:
Jitter the biggest stallion I know right now doesn't even own a cell phone! "Cuz he thinks they're stupid!" is what he says. The guy is 28 and consistently gets laid by different hot chicks all the time. He's nothing special to look at but just a really cool guy. I hang with him and his buddies every week and watch the show. You won't convince me that there's something "new" going on via text. Passing notes digitally will never be more than just passin' notes.

You seem to be making more excuses...
Slick
Why are you using a poster to put down texting when two steps up....the poster himself says...that he LOVES texting and boast about how effective it is?

We'll give you guys some time for your responses...
 
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