STFU about the price of gas

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Not this forum, but people in general. Everyone I know just b!tches non-stop about the price of gas going up. I am sick of listening to people complain. And yes, the irony of complaining about this myself is not lost on me, but oil is just a financial market, people, supply and demand, fear and greed. There is no conspiracy, no evil puppeteer behind it all.

If you don't like buying gas, get around in something that does not use much gas, like an old Honda CRX, Geo Metro, or better yet, a 250-500cc motorcycle. These vehicles cost about 5-10% the price of a new hybrid and get better mileage. Greener peoples will say to ride a bus or bicycle or walk, but that is not very practical in most of the US - given our lack of decent public transit as well as bike and pedestrian accommodations. I remember trying to be a pedestrian in the Tampa Bay area was nuts, like playing Frogger across seven lanes of traffic at every light. But even though zero gas consumption is not practical, minimalized consumption is not that hard. People just won't shell out the grand or two to buy a cheap secondhand vehicle to get around in - they'd rather complain. That is what bothers me so much about this, and that is the point of this thread:

Complaining is a waste of time. Even worse, no one wants to listen to you b!tch - not your friends, your family, your coworkers, and especially not the women in your life. An important lesson about being a man in this world is that b!tching is female behavior. STFU about the things you can't control.

btw, if the price of gas is such an issue to you, here's how to be smart about it. Budget out what you spend every month, and then project that cost over the next few years. Then look at a chart of the price of oil, and make your own prediction about where it is going over the upcoming years. "Up" is a good guess. Now calculate what that will cost you. Then you have some numbers to compare against the cost of doing something proactive, like a cheap high-mpg vehicle (not a $50k suv hybrid). Another option is to actually purchase a financial investment that pays you money as oil prices rise. I just read a wsj article about how Southwest Airlines bought commodity market positions to hedge against the rising oil prices. That's why they don't have the $10-$25 per bag baggage fee that the other carriers adopted to offset fuel costs. btw, every investment carries risk. The risk of the hedge is that oil might not go up, and the cost of buying the hedge would have been wasted. Also, there is a risk of making bad projections. But everyone is too busy complaining to do anything productive.

Like the constant making of excuses, complaining about things you can't control is loser behavior in a guy.
 

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Hell fvcking yes! My ex did this nonstop. It's extremely annoying.
 

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IMO this has got to be the worse thread you've made. Gas prices are not based on supply and demand. Suggesting people spend 2 grand on a junky, broke down econo-box is an ill-advised solution. You know how much time and money it takes to typically keep one of those piece of sh!ts running right?

What's worse than complaining about a legitimate grievance is taking it up the ass with no complaints. That's the real reason for every problem today and in the past too. People, especially men just take sh!t and don't resist anything they don't want. What if they decide, gee let's make gas $10/gallon hehe. Then most people will be walking and there goes your economy.Oil has historically been around $20 a barrel. That's where a healthy market wants it to be. To say, "Oh that's just the "market" making oil $130 or $200 a barrel. Is just saying the market is broken.
 

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ketostix said:
IMO this has got to be the worse thread you've made. Gas prices are not based on supply and demand. Suggesting people spend 2 grand on a junky, broke down econo-box is an ill-advised solution. You know how much time and money it takes to typically keep one of those piece of sh!ts running right?

What's worse than complaining about a legitimate grievance is taking it up the ass with no complaints. That's the real reason for every problem today and in the past too. People, especially men just take sh!t and don't resist anything they don't want. What if they decide, gee let's make gas $10/gallon hehe. Then most people will be walking and there goes your economy.Oil has historically been around $20 a barrel. That's where a healthy market wants it to be. To say, "Oh that's just the "market" making oil $130 or $200 a barrel. Is just saying the market is broken.

He's right, Bible_Belt.

It's all a conspiracy. I saw on one of them there fancy web-sites that the high oil prices are a result of the bet between the illuminati and the freemasons that either one could beat the knights templar in a game of two-square. Unfortunately the ghosts of Tupac and Biggie, along with aliens from area 51 conspired with the international bankers, and stole the ball at the last minute. In revenge, the new world order released chemtrails from invisible stealth jets to enrage the chupacabras and arabian sand monsters to destroy refineries and oil pumps. But you'll never hear about it on the news, because it is run by a loose association of the space reptiles and crab people from the center of the earth. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Or, ya know, it could be simple economic forces. Either way.
 

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I have met a lot of people who think all financial markets are fixed and a conspiracy. It is a surprisingly common viewpoint.


ketostix said:
IMO this has got to be the worse thread you've made. Gas prices are not based on supply and demand. Suggesting people spend 2 grand on a junky, broke down econo-box is an ill-advised solution. You know how much time and money it takes to typically keep one of those piece of sh!ts running right?

What's worse than complaining about a legitimate grievance is taking it up the ass with no complaints. That's the real reason for every problem today and in the past too. People, especially men just take sh!t and don't resist anything they don't want. What if they decide, gee let's make gas $10/gallon hehe. Then most people will be walking and there goes your economy.Oil has historically been around $20 a barrel. That's where a healthy market wants it to be. To say, "Oh that's just the "market" making oil $130 or $200 a barrel. Is just saying the market is broken.

You are welcome to your views, but who is the "they" to whom you refer who sets gas prices on a whim?

And to whom are you going to complain that it will make any difference?
 

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On a serious note, people really do need to shut their fuckin' yaps about the price of gas.

I don't mean to sound like some soulless neocon, but really, a vast majority of this country's citizens have much more than they need. Aside from poor single mothers, minimum wage slaves, people who live in economic dead zones, the uneducated, and particularly handicapped/disabled/sick people, nobody has a right to complain. Most people piss their money away on consumer goods they don't need like three ipods and four cell phones, designer clothes, etc. They also waste capital buying booze/drugs, cover charges, and expensive restaurants, fancy dates, and I can go on...

If you look at it, gas going from 3$ a gallon to 4$ is only a 25% increase. Of course this effects transportation costs for goods and food, but with some more careful budgeting nearly anyone can handle these increases. In fact, I'll even give you some high-falutin' money saving tips!!!!11!1

+ Buy less shit.
+ Seriously. Don't buy as much shit. You don't need it.
+ Clothes don't make the man. Quit acting like you're all on america's next top model. Find new and creative ways to combine the clothes you already have.
+ When you do have to buy shit, buy it on sale and/or store brand.
+ Coupons/club cards at the grocery store. Use them.
+ Shop at Save-a-lot or Sunflower Market. They're cheaper, and Sunflower has great meats at low prices, but they're only in the rocky mountain west.
+ 99 cent fast food. Taco Hell is even cheaper.
+ Find cheaper hobbies. Hanging out in the park or coffee shops are way cheaper than bars, clubs, and even movies.
+ Get a sugar mama.
+ Take the bus or train. I take the bus a lot, and I'd take the train if it came to my side of town
+ Don't road bicycle. That shit's a death sentence, plus cyclists look gay (sorry Fransisco)

+ Above all, shut the hell up. You're irritating everyone around you and becoming a whiny little bitch. That's not attractive to anyone.
 

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The most important thing about the cost of gas going up is not how it affects peoples driving. It is the affect that it is having on the cost of food. The conspiracy thread talks about this issue. Not everybody is living in luxury having much more than they need.
 

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There is no conspiracy....oil companies aren't increasing production capacity. Simple. When was the last new refinery built in the US?

And again, Peak Water > Peak Oil.
 

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Corona said:
On a serious note, people really do need to shut their fuckin' yaps about the price of gas.

I don't mean to sound like some soulless neocon, but really, a vast majority of this country's citizens have much more than they need. Aside from poor single mothers, minimum wage slaves, people who live in economic dead zones, the uneducated, and particularly handicapped/disabled/sick people, nobody has a right to complain. Most people piss their money away on consumer goods they don't need like three ipods and four cell phones, designer clothes, etc. They also waste capital buying booze/drugs, cover charges, and expensive restaurants, fancy dates, and I can go on...

If you look at it, gas going from 3$ a gallon to 4$ is only a 25% increase. Of course this effects transportation costs for goods and food, but with some more careful budgeting nearly anyone can handle these increases. In fact, I'll even give you some high-falutin' money saving tips!!!!11!1

+ Buy less shit.
+ Seriously. Don't buy as much shit. You don't need it.
+ Clothes don't make the man. Quit acting like you're all on america's next top model. Find new and creative ways to combine the clothes you already have.
+ When you do have to buy shit, buy it on sale and/or store brand.
+ Coupons/club cards at the grocery store. Use them.
+ Shop at Save-a-lot or Sunflower Market. They're cheaper, and Sunflower has great meats at low prices, but they're only in the rocky mountain west.
+ 99 cent fast food. Taco Hell is even cheaper.
+ Find cheaper hobbies. Hanging out in the park or coffee shops are way cheaper than bars, clubs, and even movies.
+ Get a sugar mama.
+ Take the bus or train. I take the bus a lot, and I'd take the train if it came to my side of town
+ Don't road bicycle. That shit's a death sentence, plus cyclists look gay (sorry Fransisco)

+ Above all, shut the hell up. You're irritating everyone around you and becoming a whiny little bitch. That's not attractive to anyone.

I'm glad you are speaking on behalf of the "majority". Just where do you get your facts mister? Believe it or not, the "vast majority" do not live in abundance. Would you believe that not everyone has internet. Not everyone has cable tv, not everybody has a nice car or drives just for the sake of driving. Not everyone goes to the movie theater. Not everyone can afford what they want. Not everyone, and I am talking about the so called "vast majority" goes and spends money on gas because they want to.

You remind me of Bush telling the country a few years ago to only buy gas if it is necesary. Is that just arrogance or ignorance. What a braintrust, only buy gas if you needed? Who buys gas just for the love of the sport?

Would $10/gallon be enough reason to complain, or would $20/gallon do it?

Believe me, millions of people in this country are living pay check to paycheck and in debt. It is not just single mothers, etc. These people are having trouble paying their bills, the utility bills, their rent, GASOLINE, and it is not due to the fact that they have expensive hobbies. I am not one of them, YET, but I do know a lot of people who can't afford the luxuries I can.

It is not a conspiracy. It is a business, a dirty one too. A monopoly in terms of it being a necesary evil.
 

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Food is going up for a variety of reasons, one of the most significant being this ethanol bull**** that so many people hail as the solution to oil problems.

Yes, oil companies are making a damn hefty profit, but that's what they exist to do. At the end of the day as I and many others have pointed out, North Americans still have it waaaay easier than pretty much everyone else, there ARE adaptations possible, and even if the current events are a bubble, long term the only place oil is going is up. (Until a serious, viable replacement is found, for which I won't hold my breath).

Forget hybrids and motercycles, if most Americans simply switched to a 2 Liter 4 cylinder sedan from your trucks, SUV's, and just plain big ass cars, the average gas costs per person would probably drop close to half.

PS: Damn I wish I had bought oil futures about a year ago.
 

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SmoothTalker said:
Food is going up for a variety of reasons, one of the most significant being this ethanol bull**** that so many people hail as the solution to oil problems.

Yes, oil companies are making a damn hefty profit, but that's what they exist to do. At the end of the day as I and many others have pointed out, North Americans still have it waaaay easier than pretty much everyone else, there ARE adaptations possible, and even if the current events are a bubble, long term the only place oil is going is up. (Until a serious, viable replacement is found, for which I won't hold my breath).

PS: Damn I wish I had bought oil futures about a year ago.
You can still buy it. When it is up to $6/gallon, in about a year, and everyone says, "what's the big deal, it has just gone up 50% from last year?" you will be saying the same thing as today, "I just have bought a year ago."
 

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If people used their brainpower, instead of complaining, and money, instead of spending it on useless junk, to investigate and invest, respectively, alternate fuel sources, then we wouldn't have this finger pointing, "You are it." games going around.
 

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Agree though, complaining is female behavior and gets tiring, the only thing worse than complaining about gas prices is complaining about the people who complain. Or actually, the irony of it all is, complaining about everything else, like number the limit of posts on an internet message board and any other type of complaining online, or any complaining about complaining. That is even more girly/borderline gay, to tell you the truth.:cry:
 

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I agree with Bible_Belt, stop complaining and start doing something about it. Only drive when neccesary, sell your super deluxe Hummer X5 (Now 13 miles to the gallon) or whatever god awful model they're up to now. I don't blame the oil companies for the most part they're just giving us what we want (albeit at exorbernt prices) a lot of it has to do with the consumer. If our demand for the product goes down supplies go up and the oil mongers will slash the prices to lure us back in. Its like trying to kick Crack.
 

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I just stopped driving like a maniac, and I was able to drive two weeks on 1 tank of gas as apposed to 1 week on a tank. No more pedal to the metal for me. I drive like Margret now.
 

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It's real funny when people try to say whenever someone says a market isn't free and open that they're a conspiracy theorist. The fact is consumer complaining about gas prices IS the market saying the prices are too high. So some are essentially saying that the real market shouldn't have a say . Supply and demand is not setting these prices.

Then some people will say complaining is feminine. According to that reasoning the colonist were all pvssies during the revolution huh? No, seing things for what they really are and standing up for your own interest is having a backbone.

Oil at $100/bbl is at a price point where it would profitable to domestically produce gas from sources like coal. This won't ever happen because the producers want to produce oil for a $1bbl and specultate it to $200bbl. The middle-east and ever other oil producing country gets rich at our expense, who conviently tend to be pretty unfriendly to America. This "free" market crap like this is going to be the ruin of our country. But I guess it makes sense to some people to put a few Big business interests ahead of every other interest.
 

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ketostix said:
It's real funny when people try to say whenever someone says a market isn't free and open that they're a conspiracy theorist. The fact is consumer complaining about gas prices IS the market saying the prices are too high. So some are essentially saying that the real market shouldn't have a say . Supply and demand is not setting these prices.

Then some people will say complaining is feminine. According to that reasoning the colonist were all pvssies during the revolution huh? No, seing things for what they really are and standing up for your own interest is having a backbone.

Oil at $100/bbl is at a price point where it would profitable to domestically produce gas from sources like coal. This won't ever happen because the producers want to produce oil for a $1bbl and specultate it to $200bbl. The middle-east and ever other oil producing country gets rich at our expense, who conviently tend to be pretty unfriendly to America. This "free" market crap like this is going to be the ruin of our country. But I guess it makes sense to some people to put a few Big business interests ahead of every other interest.
There is no doubt that speculation is a major contributor to the current rise in oil prices, but demand is the biggest player. Increased demand from the emerging economic powerhouses in the east are by and far responsible for most of long-term rise in oil prices. The relative weakness in the US dollar is also a contributing factor, but for the most part the oil story is a global growth story.
 

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Gangster Of Love said:
You remind me of Bush telling the country a few years ago to only buy gas if it is necesary. Is that just arrogance or ignorance. What a braintrust, only buy gas if you needed? Who buys gas just for the love of the sport?

Would $10/gallon be enough reason to complain, or would $20/gallon do it?

Believe me, millions of people in this country are living pay check to paycheck and in debt. It is not just single mothers, etc. These people are having trouble paying their bills, the utility bills, their rent, GASOLINE, and it is not due to the fact that they have expensive hobbies. I am not one of them, YET, but I do know a lot of people who can't afford the luxuries I can.

It is not a conspiracy. It is a business, a dirty one too. A monopoly in terms of it being a necesary evil.
I agree, but it's not so much dirty business as it is dishonest and stupid business. You know what's funny, people will say "Well the average hard-working American has more than they deserve.". But when you point out a few fat ass oil company owners report $100 billion profit, they say "Yay, give them more!". Quite the contradiction.

Then some people will say "Conserve!". Hmm, but it's consumers who mostly drive the economy. Some solution that is huh? I get their mentality though. Let us Americans be the most productive workers and live like 3rd world Chineese! But what kind of economy will you have with lower consumption? Some people can giggle all they want, but the way it's heading is 2nd or 3rd world. Some people just don't want a fair, honest win-win economy. But don't complain about it or anything :rolleyes:
 

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