Gangster Of Love said:
I'm glad you are speaking on behalf of the "majority". Just where do you get your facts mister? Believe it or not, the "vast majority" do not live in abundance. Would you believe that not everyone has internet. Not everyone has cable tv, not everybody has a nice car or drives just for the sake of driving. Not everyone goes to the movie theater. Not everyone can afford what they want. Not everyone, and I am talking about the so called "vast majority" goes and spends money on gas because they want to.
I was primarily addressing the privileged men on this board. The ones with internet, cable, cell phones, multiple vehicles, and a surplus of money. But I do believe most Americans, in most cases, can take care of themselves and their families if they make the right decisions most of the time (or perhaps by avoiding making too many bad decisions). Most of the people I hear complaining are middle class Americans, who don't know how to be prudent with their money. Nobody made them buy a Tahoe extended cab, nobody made them take a vacation last year, nobody made them go out and get the iphone, nobody made them buy the plasma screen (and the leather couch set), and nobody made them go and have three kids. Those are all their poor choices, and they need to accept them and deal with them.
You remind me of Bush telling the country a few years ago to only buy gas if it is necesary. Is that just arrogance or ignorance. What a braintrust, only buy gas if you needed? Who buys gas just for the love of the sport?
People buy gas for recreational purposes all the time. Around here, people love their dirt bikes, ATVs, off-road 4x4s, and boats. Add in the people that enjoy just cruising around for fun, and the people that drive miles and miles to get to their recreations/hobbies/whatever, and you can obviously see that people are buying up gas that they don't necessarily "need". To these people, the benefits of spending the money for gas outweighs the $4 cost.
As a perfect example, the other day I saw a Ford Expedition passing in the right lane at 70mph, while towing a double outboard boat . God bless America, indeed.
Would $10/gallon be enough reason to complain, or would $20/gallon do it?
People can complain all they want. I don't think there's really much that can be done. We can get into the messy economics of domestic production, importation, refining capacities, and corporate profits, but we don't even need to.
The simple story is that it's becoming increasingly costly to locate and extract oil, and those costs are making oil more valuable. Add a great increase in both foreign and domestic demand, heavy speculation in oil, and a dilapidated refining industry, and the prices of oil and gas are going to significantly increase.
But I'm not at all saying this is "fair". It is what it is.
What are we to do? Protest? Riot? Kick Exxon out of the country? How far would these actions get us?
Perhaps we can vote about this. However, our government doesn't seem to represent our will most of the time, and even if further regulations/taxation were imposed, these would merely add to production costs. Of course, these costs would be passed onto us consumers, with the added burden of higher taxes to support expanded government bureaucracy.
This is a problem too large for a president, a congress, or even a multilateral organization to address. International economics truly is run by the invisible hand.
Believe me, millions of people in this country are living pay check to paycheck and in debt. It is not just single mothers, etc. These people are having trouble paying their bills, the utility bills, their rent, GASOLINE, and it is not due to the fact that they have expensive hobbies. I am not one of them, YET, but I do know a lot of people who can't afford the luxuries I can.
Let me give you a little background on myself. You can call BS on me all you want, but "it is what it is".
I was born a poor minority. Not dirt poor, but definitely below the "poverty line" back in the early 80s. Fortunately for me, I had a dad, and he worked his ass off in backbreaking construction so my mother could go to pursue higher education instead of working. There were times when we had no money for clothes, meat, or even heat (construction slows down in the winter). We never had cable, vacations, nintendo, walkmen, and almost never went to movies or restaurants. Fortunately, I was too little to even realize we were poor, so I grew up pretty happy.
Because of all of our sacrifices, especially my dad's, my mom was able to get a graduate degree and a job that pulled us into the middle class. We pulled through. Sometimes you really gotta realize what is important in your life and make sacrifices in order to survive and pull through.
Ever since high school, I've always worked at least part time, all while going to school. I made about 9k three years ago, 15k the next, then a whopping 24k last year. The funny thing is, even when I was only making 9k a year, I had enough money. I was happy! I had enough money for rent, utilities, food, beer, and insurance payments. Even a little left over for a little entertainment budget. From
nine-thousand dollars.
Although, I think "we grow to fit the size of our bowl", and the more income we have, the more we tend spend. Because of the way I was raised, I don't spend much money, so I have some money saved up and invested.
I have a friend from my old job with four little kids. I never asked him how much he makes, but it's probably no more than $13/hr. Yet, he still somehow finds a way to support his kids and put his wife through technical college. Yes, he drives a beat up minivan, shops at wal-mart, and lives in a cramped apartment, but he's a good dad and his kids have a standard of living as good as anyone in developed nations. I'm not sure how he does it, but I have lots of respect for him.
Perhaps I sounded a little harsh in my previous post. I am renovating my spiritual side to try to have more compassion for all my fellow men, and I really do feel about about the people that are struggling to make it.
I feel the worst for are people that are disabled/sick/low intelligence, because it is actually very, very hard for them to find a job, or if they find one they can't make much money. Plus the injured are burdened with medical costs and the like, and the dumb are prone to costly bad decisions.
I also sympathize with people that live in places like say, Flint; just because the economic situation is so bad, you can't reasonably expect people to pull up their roots and say goodbye to their home because of economic conditions.
I am also disheartened from the discrimination that minorities still face; social, poltical, and economic.
I don't have as much sympathy for people who made bad choices. I think a lot of people have kids without considering the unreasonable strain it will put on their budget, and in this day and age there's really no excuse for unplanned pregnancies.
America is the land of opportunity. We are free to educate ourselves, free to work, free to use condoms, and free to improve our lives. I know people sometimes come from "circumstances" and I feel for them, but you gotta do what you gotta do to make it. I know my family did.
Of course, we could easily get into a "quality-of-life" debate, but I think we should save it for another thread.
It is not a conspiracy. It is a business, a dirty one too. A monopoly in terms of it being a necesary evil.
I am no apologist for the oil industry, but I'd like to hear your solution.