Stalemate problem with all my dates and matches, solutions?

[CornbreadFed]

No, dude. If you are seeing a lot of fit and attractive men struggling in the dating market it shows there is something very wrong. There is no such thing as game, and you are insane if you think it's because those men are lazy or have a bad personality. There are stats showing that 2/3 of young men are single and that women find the overwhelming majority of men as unattractive or lament over there being no good men. You are absolutely insane if you think the problem is men when it's simply the expectations women of them.

I've been out of the game for a while. But if a white man that is 6'4" and one of the fittest men at any gym, currently around 230-235, and has an 8" penis and is sober and normal is struggling what does that say about the dating market? If a guy like me is criticized what ****ing chance do you or the vast majority of men have?

When I mean game, I just do not mean silly tricks & mind games you use on women. I mean execution, personality, strategy, logistics, and etc. When you live in your own head without anything to back it up, it reflects poorly on your game. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe you just aren't as attractive as you think, and you need to have a gameplan for dating. I think the biggest problem guys have is that there is a universal attractive cheat code look to get every woman which isn't true at all. Women are going to be interested in all types of guys, some types have a larger market and others have a small one. Yes, there are women that value muscles and strong masculine men over others, but maybe you are too busy trying to attract toxic masculine energy females that want to control their men. Also, just because you have muscles does not mean you are masculine. You are just Jane disguised as Tarzan at this point. Last, I am not attacking you whatsoever, I am just feeding out my observations I have noticed with gym guys struggling with women.

 

[JusSayin]

It's OVER for Coach Waynecels

BTW coach Corey Wayne is a wack job why are you taking advice from him, anything he says will work if the woman likes you, nothing he says will work if she doesn't.

hahahahahahahahaah, I kind of agree. He is all about "oh just discard her if she is non-responsive". Yeah? Just discard 60% of potential ass? I think that's just low effort. Part of being a man is striving to improve and be better and minimize your mistakes. Other advice he gave is good and applicable I think.

He popped up when I was searching specific issues I was having on youtube. If he is bad, then whom do you recommend?
So far, and this is just a suspicion, I think I've had best results trying banter from PWF and his reengagement strategies. Some of his pickup lines are gold, but I modified them and found even better methods for myself. Overall, I get a lot of matches due to shirtless pic and a lot of leads and even dates even with Stacies sometimes. Problem lies is down the line

It's OVER for AbysmalStatsCels.

Yeah, its grim lmao

There will always be someone fitter who will mog the sheet out of you.

Mogging

Mogging (a verbification and apheresis of the acronym AMOG for alpha male of the group) is the act of dominating another person. A person who mogs others is called...

incels.wiki

Not if you go to posh gym, guys there are less likely to roid, so if you are subtle about it you can mog the entire gym like 99% of the time which is good enough.

You seem like you are trying too hard to convince them why they should see you again instead of just asking them out.

That being said all of these women sound like either no's or maybes in time of their interest level in you.

Have any of them texted you first after the date and then consistently texted you on a regular basis afterwards?

If not, they simply aren't that interested in you. Could be because they ont find you sufficiently attractive in person or because you didn't do enough to make them curious enough to want to see you again.

At the end of the day, you simply aren't making these women interested enough in seeing you again. If you were, these issues wouldn't be there because they would be ASKING YOU out again.

Yes, as I described in OP post, one of them texted me first after our first date, then had another quick date next day and brought her over. Then she drove out to her hometown and has been there since, not really responsive.

You know, I've been noticing a trend that there are a lot of fit/athletic men complaining about their struggles in the dating market. I mean, I know I'm one of them lol, but I've seen this a lot online, with even comments on youtube, and even with people in real life. It's a testament that there is something deeply wrong with the current dating market right now. I've honestly felt this way for several years now, but I've noticed it's been a very hot topic online now for the last year or two, it's even being discussed on mainstream media.

Interesting. I think fit men often try to rest of the laurels of their body and maybe are seen as narcissistic and having big egos. One cutie I was seeing for a short while said she was seeing another fit dude and he was too much into himself and that made her ditch him. So they probably assume

 

[sangheilios]

Game exists. It's called social acuity and ability to convert "maybe" girls to "yes" girls. Anything else is determined by looks, money and status.


Chances are he only wants to **** Stacies. Stacies go for rich guys.

There is really no such thing as game, man.

When you meet a woman if she has no interest NOTHING you do is going to change that, no sense even trying.

When you meet a woman that has some interest it could be on a spectrum of very high interest to luke warm interest. You are better off going for women that have high interest, everything lines up and progresses naturally without any real effort. Do you think if a woman was truly interested something like double texting or this other b.s game "theory" is going to ruin your chances? lol

The problem is that the vast majority of men's experiences are with women that are luke warm at best. This is why men start reading all this PUA nonsense and talk about this bull **** about game, when it's really them just failing to recognize that these women just aren't all that interested to begin with.

This has nothing to do with "game", again it doesn't exist, and more to do with the reality of the current dating market. Women's expectations of men are much higher than they were before the advent of social media, dating apps, etc. They could then even meet men that meet their basic criteria but then reject him for something else. Think of it this way, a man meets her basic checklist but then she begins to filter out for personal compatibility. This could literally be something like her not liking his sense of humor or maybe he has some sort of quirk or mannerism that she finds annoying. It could be something like the tone of his voice or laugh reminds her of some ex or some **** lol. Nothing here is about game and just personal compatibility and just overall femal pickiness today.

A woman today could EASILY talk to more men in one year than a woman 30 years ago would have in an entire lifetime. The result of this is the women are much pickier and more selective with their potential suitors. Think of it this way, if you had 100 women messaging you right now would you have the time to go out with all of them on a date and actually get to know them. The answer is no, so you'd become more selective with what you choose. However, because you are aware of this abundance you are far more readily willing to go to the next and the next, etc. In contrast to this, if your options were far more limited you wouldn't be as selective.

Everything I'm saying here is common sense. You and other men would be far better off just accepting that these women aren't all that interested.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Your texting game is terrible. You aren’t asking for the order. Do not “put the ball in her court.” Set the date terms and ask if she will meet you. This is not low interest from these girls. This is poor execution all around.

 

[CornbreadFed]

There is really no such thing as game, man.

When you meet a woman if she has no interest NOTHING you do is going to change that, no sense even trying.

When you meet a woman that has some interest it could be on a spectrum of very high interest to luke warm interest. You are better off going for women that have high interest, everything lines up and progresses naturally without any real effort. Do you think if a woman was truly interested something like double texting or this other b.s game "theory" is going to ruin your chances? lol

I agree, but you are still going to have to compete against other men initially and always. You meet a woman with initial high interest, you are still competing against other guys that she might have the same level of interest in. How do you beat these guys to be her number one option? Game, Chemistry or Personality(They are all the same IMHO).

 

[sangheilios]

Your texting game is terrible. You aren’t asking for the order. Do not “put the ball in her court.” Set the date terms and ask if she will meet you. This is not low interest from these girls. This is poor execution all around.

He's not American, so the word choice is going to be different. The simple answer is these women had a date that was ok but at some point they decided they just weren't interested. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with his text messages. They were just giving cordial post date responses and never had any intention of it leading to more. You guys seriously look way too deep into this ****.

No why they weren't interested is up for debate and we will never know, no sense of even seriously discussing it.

 

[sangheilios]

When I mean game, I just do not mean silly tricks & mind games you use on women. I mean execution, personality, strategy, logistics, and etc. When you live in your own head without anything to back it up, it reflects poorly on your game. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe you just aren't as attractive as you think, and you need to have a gameplan for dating. I think the biggest problem guys have is that there is a universal attractive cheat code look to get every woman which isn't true at all. Women are going to be interested in all types of guys, some types have a larger market and others have a small one. Yes, there are women that value muscles and strong masculine men over others, but maybe you are too busy trying to attract toxic masculine energy females that want to control their men. Also, just because you have muscles does not mean you are masculine. You are just Jane disguised as Tarzan at this point. Last, I am not attacking you whatsoever, I am just feeding out my observations I have noticed with gym guys struggling with women.

I'm getting older, but I've also been out of the "game" for quite a while and basing this off of experiences I had pre pandemic.

You aren't going to be every woman's type. I've been rejected before and had that same woman go for a literally fat, broke and unemployed guy that had NOTHING go for him. I don't start thinking about "game" and just assume that she had a very specific type and I wasn't it.

 

[EyeBRollin]

He's not American, so the word choice is going to be different. The simple answer is these women had a date that was ok but at some point they decided they just weren't interested. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with his text messages. They were just giving cordial post date responses and never had any intention of it leading to more. You guys seriously look way too deep into this ****.

No why they weren't interested is up for debate and we will never know, no sense of even seriously discussing it.

I can point out the error in all 5 situations. Maybe I’ll type it out when I get to my computer. He did not actually ask any of these girls out. He just said some vague feminine BS like “let me know when you are free.” That is not how you arrange dates. You tell the broad when to meet and she lets you know if she will or not. Women do not do the planning. This is dating 101.

 

[JusSayin]

lol i typed a long reply to everyone in this thread, but its up for moderators approval for some reason. Come on mod, I have no nefarious inclinations here, approve it already

I can point out the error in all 5 situations. Maybe I’ll type it out when I get to my computer. He did not actually ask any of these girls out. He just said some vague feminine BS like “let me know when you are free.” That is not how you arrange dates. You tell the broad when to meet and she lets you know if she will or not. Women do not do the planning. This is dating 101.

Shouldnt you get ot know her schedule first? If you say "can you do monday?" and she says "nah, im busy" then you have to offer another day and it makes you seem way too available, kinda boxed in. If you say "send me which days are good for you" and she says "thursday, friday", then you can pick one of the two days that suit you. No?

 

[SW15]

if a white man that is 6'4" and one of the fittest men at any gym, currently around 230-235, and has an 8" penis and is sober and normal is struggling what does that say about the dating market? If a guy like me is criticized what ****ing chance do you or the vast majority of men have?

Women's expectations of men are much higher than they were before the advent of social media, dating apps, etc.

Those are 'Chad' physical stats right there. Looks would not be the problem.

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality. The issue would be more likely to be on the money, status, and personality side of the equation. You would also have a valid point that female expectations are very high right now and have been at elevated levels for around the last 15-20 years.

I've been noticing a trend that there are a lot of fit/athletic men complaining about their struggles in the dating market. I mean, I know I'm one of them lol, but I've seen this a lot online, with even comments on youtube, and even with people in real life. It's a testament that there is something deeply wrong with the current dating market right now. I've honestly felt this way for several years now, but I've noticed it's been a very hot topic online now for the last year or two, it's even being discussed on mainstream media.

It is surprising that fit/athletic men are now complaining about their struggles in the dating market. It might be that you're not necessarily an outlier, though it seems like you are an outlier because with your physical stats, you should be the top seducer on the board.

You aren't going to be every woman's type. I've been rejected before and had that same woman go for a literally fat, broke and unemployed guy that had NOTHING go for him. I don't start thinking about "game" and just assume that she had a very specific type and I wasn't it.

Weird stuff can happen. I didn't get a 2nd date with some woman. I later found her Instagram which contained a lot of woke commentary and she ended up starting an LTR with a soy boy.

 

[sangheilios]

I agree, but you are still going to have to compete against other men initially and always. You meet a woman with initial high interest, you are still competing against other guys that she might have the same level of interest in. How do you beat these guys to be her number one option? Game, Chemistry or Personality(They are all the same IMHO).

No such thing as game.

"Chemistry" is just some term used to describe the degree of mutual attraction you have towards one another. An example of having "chemistry" is when you are both highly attracted to one another, have a lot in common, vibing, etc. A lack of "chemistry" could be where maybe there was some initial physical attraction but there's no real personal compatibility or maybe something where you have a mannerism she finds annoying. That's how I look at this variable.

Personality is a trait that you really can't change and is a part of you as an individual. Trying to change or alter your personality is not a good idea, most people will unwittingly pick up on this and feel something is "off". I feel personality ties in with "chemistry" where some people basically vibe well with others or maybe instead clash. This is something you can even link with your interactions with everyone in general and not just with opposite sex interactions. I really shouldn't need to elaborate on this, literally every single person who socializes to some extent knows exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[JusSayin]

Game is some combination of looks, money, status, and personality.

I'd argue game is not looks, money or status.
Game is a very narrow skill - converting "maybe" girls to "yes" girls.
My reasoning - money and status is just that, money and status. A dumbass with those will get attention from women. Quantifying them as game is redundant.
Looks are also the physical level. You can't say a guy has "game", because he is hot. He is just hot.
Only true "game" is personality and banter, wit, charisma.
What does it mean?
Well, getting girls who are on the edge or who even don't like you to fall for you.
Getting "FUGG YES!" girls to fall in your lap is no game, it requires no skill.
The hard part is getting girls who are unsure or on the fence, hence that is the "game" part.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Shouldnt you get ot know her schedule first? If you say "can you do monday?" and she says "nah, im busy" then you have to offer another day and it makes you seem way too available, kinda boxed in. If you say "send me which days are good for you" and she says "thursday, friday", then you can pick one of the two days that suit you. No?

No, you have to be affirmative. Women will move things around for Brad Pitt. She wants to fit into your life, not vice versa. You tell her Thursday at 6 pm. She responds in 3 ways:

“Yes, I can meet.” - then you are good to go. Tell her the place and lock it in.

“I can’t Thursday, but I can do Friday at 7. Is that ok?” - this is called a counter offer. She likes you, but actually is busy in the time you offered. Set the date up for Friday at 7.

“I can’t. Sorry.” - She is not interested. Delete her number and move on.

 

[sangheilios]

I can point out the error in all 5 situations. Maybe I’ll type it out when I get to my computer. He did not actually ask any of these girls out. He just said some vague feminine BS like “let me know when you are free.” That is not how you arrange dates. You tell the broad when to meet and she lets you know if she will or not. Women do not do the planning. This is dating 101.

Bro, if those women were interested do you seriously think anything he said is going to all of a sudden make them change their minds? lol

There are some exceptions to this. If she had interest and you started blowing up her phone with pages of texts that's understandable why she'd lose interest. Or maybe trying to constantly spend time with her lol. This is common sense stuff and not worth discussing.

You guys would all be far better off by just accepting they weren't interested or you weren't her "type" and moving on. Instead, you all invest a bunch of your time and energy into deciphering what happened with the interaction when the plain answer is right there lol. If I have an interaction that doesn't go well, I just say "well, she just wasn't interested" lol.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Bro, if those women were interested do you seriously think anything he said is going to all of a sudden make them change their minds? lol

There are some exceptions to this. If she had interest and you started blowing up her phone with pages of texts that's understandable why she'd lose interest. Or maybe trying to constantly spend time with her lol. This is common sense stuff and not worth discussing.

You guys would all be far better off by just accepting they weren't interested or you weren't her "type" and moving on. Instead, you all invest a bunch of your time and energy into deciphering what happened with the interaction when the plain answer is right there lol. If I have an interaction that doesn't go well, I just say "well, she just wasn't interested" lol.

You need to brush up on the DJ Bible. This is over your head.

 

[JusSayin]

No, you have to be affirmative. Women will move things around for Brad Pitt. She wants to fit into your life, not vice versa. You tell her Thursday at 6 pm. She responds in 3 ways:

“Yes, I can meet.” - then you are good to go. Tell her the place and lock it in.

“I can’t Thursday, but I can do Friday at 7. Is that ok?” - this is called a counter offer. She likes you, but actually is busy in the time you offered.

“I can’t. Sorry.” - She is not interested. Delete her number and move on.

Seems suboptimal and I will explain why:
- If she is on the fence and replies "I can't. Sorry" you are done. Deleting her number makes zero sense, just shows you are butthurt and emotionally affected.

If you would have at first figured out her schedule (days she is free) and then offered to meet in one of those days you would statistically increase odds of a meetup without being boxed in and without being seen as needy. You are not playing chess by just deleting her number and giving up. The chances are she would be in a different mood two weeks down the line and feel differently if you reengage. She is a maybe girl that a skilled seducer could potentially (although not guaranteed) convert to a yes girl.

But you are correct that one should be more assertive. I should have said "Oh, no problem, if you aren't sure we can just do it some other time" and left it at that. I shouldn't have said "if something changes, hit me up", it was too soft, especially with the Stacy girl, since she has top tier men available and all men thirst for her big time.

Bro, if those women were interested do you seriously think anything he said is going to all of a sudden make them change their minds? lol

We already covered this. The women who were "YES!!!" I already got. I am on this seduction forum to increase my "game" skills as in converting lukewarm girls to warm. Doesn't that make logical sense? I don't want to leave ass on the table if by certain behaviors I could potentially acquire it in specific % of cases.

 

[sangheilios]

I'd argue game is not looks, money or status.
Game is a very narrow skill - converting "maybe" girls to "yes" girls.
My reasoning - money and status is just that, money and status. A dumbass with those will get attention from women. Quantifying them as game is redundant.
Looks are also the physical level. You can't say a guy has "game", because he is hot. He is just hot.
Only true "game" is personality and banter, wit, charisma.
What does it mean?
Well, getting girls who are on the edge or who even don't like you to fall for you.
Getting "FUGG YES!" girls to fall in your lap is no game, it requires no skill.
The hard part is getting girls who are unsure or on the fence, hence that is the "game" part.

The biggest reason why forums like this and these pick up scam artists have following is because of men chasing women that aren't really interested. You and every other man would be better off completely moving on from these women instead of wasting your time with this ****.

Seriously, you and other men should have other things going on in your life where this shouldn't even be on your radar. I don't have the time to chase some low interest woman in the hopes of making her interested lol.

 

[SW15]

Your texting game is terrible. You aren’t asking for the order. Do not “put the ball in her court.” Set the date terms and ask if she will meet you. This is not low interest from these girls. This is poor execution all around.

He just said some vague feminine BS like “let me know when you are free.” That is not how you arrange dates. You tell the broad when to meet and she lets you know if she will or not. Women do not do the planning. This is dating 101.

I agree that the execution was terrible here.

No, you have to be affirmative. Women will move things around for Brad Pitt. She wants to fit into your life, not vice versa. You tell her Thursday at 6 pm. She responds in 3 ways:

“Yes, I can meet.” - then you are good to go. Tell her the place and lock it in.

“I can’t Thursday, but I can do Friday at 7. Is that ok?” - this is called a counter offer. She likes you, but actually is busy in the time you offered.

“I can’t. Sorry.” - She is not interested. Delete her number and move on.

This is good. When I have used text messaging to set up dates (primarily back when I was using swipe apps years ago), I offered definitive times like Wednesday or Thursday at 7:30 PM. Sometimes I'd offer one time, sometimes 2. Either way, I'd get an affirmative to one of the times, a counteroffer, the "I can't. Sorry" response, or a complete ghosting.

In more recent times, I have only been asking out women during an in-person approach and I offer one time. I get a response in-person, we lock in the time, I then get her phone number.

 

[sangheilios]

You need to brush up on the DJ Bible. This is over your head.

No it's not, if a woman is interested it lines up, if they aren't it doesn't. It's that simple. This PUA nonsense is all a bunch of b.s lol. You probably think nonsense somehow gives you "game" or an edge.

If I had a date and some texts like that I don't try to figure out what happened. Instead I'd say something like, "Well, I guess I'm not her type.....oh well" and move tf on lol.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Seems suboptimal and I will explain why:
- If she is on the fence and replies "I can't. Sorry" you are done. Deleting her number makes zero sense, just shows you are butthurt and emotionally affected.

Ok bro. Do it your way. You asked for help, I gave you the game. If she does not accept or counter offer, she is not interested. Nothing you do will change it.