Stalemate problem with all my dates and matches, solutions?

[pipeman84]

The main problem with your argument here is that you ignore masculine-feminine polarity, which most women are attuned to and seek inside interactions with men. They expect men to lead the interaction. You are not leading the interaction in a way she tends to find attractive.

He asks for her availability, that's leading no.1. Upon receiving it, he makes the date, that's leading no.2. How is that not direct and masculine?

What you and @EyeBRollin are proposing, that the guy should simply state the day and time of the date would work with a girl who has nothing else to do in her life and she has already met the guy several times and developed a very high interest level in him.

But as @sangheilios has repeatedly said, we're discussing minutiae here, interest level is what really counts. If she's interested, the moment she sees notification for message from OP, her heart starts beating faster and she's thinking about meeting him. The text doesn't really matter. When the interest isn't there, she will leave the carefully crafted message on read without actually reading it.

 

[sangheilios]

He asks for her availability, that's leading no.1. Upon receiving it, he makes the date, that's leading no.2. How is that not direct and masculine?

What you and @EyeBRollin are proposing, that the guy should simply state the day and time of the date would work with a girl who has nothing else to do in her life and she has already met the guy several times and developed a very high interest level in him.

But as @sangheilios has repeatedly said, we're discussing minutiae here, interest level is what really counts. If she's interested, the moment she sees notification for message from OP, her heart starts beating faster and she's thinking about meeting him. The text doesn't really matter. When the interest isn't there, she will leave the carefully crafted message on read without actually reading it.

This guy here understands lol.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

OP you need to screen better for high interest. How about casting a wider net for hotter, ltr-oriented girls until you find one who is strongly interested from the get-go?

Game these days is more about finding high-interest women and keeping that high interest, not converting maybe girls into yes girls.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Where is best guide on how to flirt?


My best status is being the fittest guy at the gym, that's about it. I am well-off, but I don't flash my money, because that's stupid and risky. I'm not sure how I can become a celebrity, because while I'm fittest in gym, I'm not fittest in the country and definitely not roided to the guts. I make my money in rather obscure ways and have never shown my lifestyle on IG or any public media as that carries risks on their own.


This is good.

No guide , flirting is linked to personality what works for one guy won't necessarily work for another

TEST < TEST < TEST

throw lines at girls you encounter see what works for you , then use it again and build on it

Being the fittest guy in the gym isn't status anymore , the barrier to entry is low and in 2023 most guys are juice monkeys

women aren't dull this isn't as impressive as it was 10-20 years ago

Eventually being "tall" is going to hit the same issues

Status is owning clubs / hotels / restaurants in your city

Knowing everyone Arriving at a venue and being treated like a mob boss

this is the type of status that makes female panties really wet because she knows she has to have you

 

[JusSayin]

No guide , flirting is linked to personality what works for one guy won't necessarily work for another

TEST < TEST < TEST

throw lines at girls you encounter see what works for you , then use it again and build on it

Being the fittest guy in the gym isn't status anymore , the barrier to entry is low and in 2023 most guys are juice monkeys

women aren't dull this isn't as impressive as it was 10-20 years ago

Eventually being "tall" is going to hit the same issues

Status is owning clubs / hotels / restaurants in your city

Knowing everyone Arriving at a venue and being treated like a mob boss

this is the type of status that makes female panties really wet because she knows she has to have you

Doesn't check out. If owning nightclubs and being mob boss is what it takes to get laid in 2023 then most men would be incels and that's simply not the case. How many ripped guys are there? Not many.

 

[JusSayin]

Man, you are taking this way too deeply lol. You realize guys like Don Juan and Casanova, Romeo, Jack from Titanic, etc. lol are all just fictional type characters. None of that is how the real world works lol.

If you keep reading this PUA nonsense you are going to come across as a phoney and other people, including women, are going to pick up on it. You probably also may start taking this too seriously and develop some really bad habits or mindsets that will not serve you well in life.

So why does this forum exist then? We already know looks money and status trump everything. What's the point of this forum then? I thought guys come here to discuss game strategies.

 

[Gamisch]

He asks for her availability, that's leading no.1. Upon receiving it, he makes the date, that's leading no.2. How is that not direct and masculine?

What you and @EyeBRollin are proposing, that the guy should simply state the day and time of the date would work with a girl who has nothing else to do in her life and she has already met the guy several times and developed a very high interest level in him.

But as @sangheilios has repeatedly said, we're discussing minutiae here, interest level is what really counts. If she's interested, the moment she sees notification for message from OP, her heart starts beating faster and she's thinking about meeting him. The text doesn't really matter. When the interest isn't there, she will leave the carefully crafted message on read without actually reading it.

I generally like your opinions BUT they're kinda outdated. Can't blame ya, as things move fast. What was relevant yesterday is a no-go tomorrow

As been mentioned before, this works IF you are the only one she messing with. Let's not even talk about her overall mentality and awareness of "simply " making a dating profile in the morning and having a date in the evening...going by the way he describes his wome of choice he MIGHT benefit from dating women 3 points lower than now...

Her heart skipping and all that happens ONLY if you are a top tier dude. It's clear OP isn't that dude. And that's oke . You could be a " top 25% er " and get results like this. Also ,tbh this is simply the consequence of dating via apps, OR chasing "soley stacies"

I think the problem a lot of men are facing in 2023 is that a lot of single women in their 20's don't taking dating or even sex that seriously its just too damn easy for them to get either so they don't really prioritise either especially with men they don't really know that well

an attractive girl 18-25 could for all intensive purposed be having sex and dates 7 nights a week if she wanted them

It actually becomes more of a hassle for her , to have to sift through all these dudes wanting to take her out and sleep with her

Imagine you have 10-15 men wanting to go out with you every week ( and this is being conservative )

You physically cannot date them all its impossible , so you can afford to be very very fussy and ghost any for the most minor of reasons

most of the old pickup and approach techniques are outdated and badly need updating

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Personally as a single guy in 2023 ive learned you need to get very very comfortable with rejection , dry spells and generally flaky female behaviour because unfortunately it is the norm

after that I would advise

1) selecting girls you physically see often because this gives you an opportunity to become more familiar and more present in her world

2) you need a way to showcase your personality and leverage some status from it wether this be on social media or a YouTube channel or building some sort of local community women LOVE men with status

3) Learn to flirt, you need a make an impression and a big one the only way to do this is either by spiking her emotions or flirting

Linear text conversation in 2023 like " hey what is your schedule looking like this week" is going to get you left on read 9/10 in fact anything she can answer easily Is probably going to get you left on read

4) Do not take women seriously , they are agents of chaos a lot of what they do makes absolutely no sense and trying to understand it will send you insane take it for what it is

5) As soon as she is comfortable with you start building compliance " come here " ," do this" , "give me this " " lets go here"

if she follows she's happy for you too lead and this is very positive , if she doesn't then chances are she's not interested

I like this post. A man gotta find ways to be to be at peace with not having women, while simultaneously still ALWAYS be ready to get some. You gotta always move, act ,dress and talk like you got it going on. If you play it smart you go to bed ALWAYS feeling like a winner
- you won by grinding your way towards being higher into /closer to the top tier dudes by making money or hitting the gym or connecting with people
-you won by NOT spending useless moneh and time on either a lukewarm interested woman, a ugly fattie or the worste: a combination of those two.
-you won because you DID got with a women you like and vice versa ( the latter will happen on rare occasions, BUT will happen more and more often if you manage to internalize the first two and libe by them!!)

And why wouldn't ya?? The key is self love and worth on such a high level that you LITERALLY can say; her loss and actually MEAN it. Gotta look down on women, never look up to them. Make HER give YOU a reason to look up to her other than some l'oreal makeup and a tight dress.

Some women are not as special as you'd think, BUT they obviously feel the same about you...

Once you get to that sweet spot you'll either find one who won't let you go, or you'll be juggling as many women as you can handle...which is also one lol haha.

Gotta be the best version of yourself regardless. That includes being a BOSS, a neat and tidy female friendly crib, strong, charismatic, moneyed up, a sexual beast ,well spoken but yet with some ignorance and spontaneity...a demeanor that says you can't be Fecked with and you don't tolerate BS.

So why does this forum exist then? We already know looks money and status trump everything. What's the point of this forum then? I thought guys come here to discuss game strategies.

Lol you are going back and forth with the biggest (self acclaimed 6,5) incel we have.

Welcome.

Nah for real. This time he might have a point. Many men struggle with women that are out of their league to begin with , and yes, women's "league " are unrealistic and it only gets worse . We reached a point where a hb4 will reject a solid male 7...


Yet never forget, every person reflects his own beliefs and thus results. If its up to this man you won't ever get some p00sy again. "Because if can't get a job,then nobody can". The arrogance..you shoud simply refine your game. Imo you already see that you mist go in it with a WAY bigger "f the world : type of mind. F IT. they'll ghost you anyway, stop thinking the next will be The One.

 

[Ricky]

You seem like you are trying too hard to convince them why they should see you again instead of just asking them out.

That being said all of these women sound like either no's or maybes in time of their interest level in you.

Have any of them texted you first after the date and then consistently texted you on a regular basis afterwards?

If not, they simply aren't that interested in you. Could be because they ont find you sufficiently attractive in person or because you didn't do enough to make them curious enough to want to see you again.

At the end of the day, you simply aren't making these women interested enough in seeing you again. If you were, these issues wouldn't be there because they would be ASKING YOU out again.

the key is to not think of interest level as a static thing and backinthegame touches on it in this post

think of their interest level as buying temperature for a product. A woman who is on the fence about buying a product will evaluate it and it the right combination of a sale or social proof of friends who like it kick in she will go for it.

one of the reasons i landed my wife is that her friends liked me alot too. In fact i made out with one of her friends before i ever kissed her.

increase a womans buying temperature by being fun and interesting and for damn sure let her know you are in demand with other women

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

hahahahahahahahaah, I kind of agree. He is all about "oh just discard her if she is non-responsive". Yeah? Just discard 60% of potential ass? I think that's just low effort. Part of being a man is striving to improve and be better and minimize your mistakes. Other advice he gave is good and applicable I think.

He popped up when I was searching specific issues I was having on youtube. If he is bad, then whom do you recommend?
So far, and this is just a suspicion, I think I've had best results trying banter from PWF and his reengagement strategies. Some of his pickup lines are gold, but I modified them and found even better methods for myself. Overall, I get a lot of matches due to shirtless pic and a lot of leads and even dates even with Stacies sometimes. Problem lies is down the line



Yeah, its grim lmao


Not if you go to posh gym, guys there are less likely to roid, so if you are subtle about it you can mog the entire gym like 99% of the time which is good enough.


Yes, as I described in OP post, one of them texted me first after our first date, then had another quick date next day and brought her over. Then she drove out to her hometown and has been there since, not really responsive.


Interesting. I think fit men often try to rest of the laurels of their body and maybe are seen as narcissistic and having big egos. One cutie I was seeing for a short while said she was seeing another fit dude and he was too much into himself and that made her ditch him. So they probably assume

He does have some decent lines I'll give you that, however he's running the same old coach hustle, we've seen it, I don't recommend any coaches at all, just work on yourself, starve yourself so your actually hungry for it and just go try to stay in the pocket, play off her interests upfront, just get experience in... Socially sustaining yourself, its the guy that's always around who escalates that gets tail, hard to stay in the pocket if you hate women or something.

Pick up is sales, learning about overcoming objections is where a lot of his good lines come from, however if you learn about objections you can learn how to sell yourself through pressure... Overcoming the fear of failing or rejection is only the beginning, just allows you to get your boots on the ground

One of the first things you want to do is see how she responds to limits and boundaries, tells you a lot about a person, this is usually why people go for Kino or touching early on, you'll get an idea very quickly that way if your presence is welcome or not, I've had times where I could just make a big advance upfront just because of her reaction to my touch, just make sure she sees you coming, but generally if she's putting up boundaries upfront it's less attractive prospect to spend time on, not always but need recognition through experience.

Conversely, if she's got weird boundaries where she's groping you off rip might not want to take her to your place, remember you gotta get her out of the house, so you set the expectation "We can chill for a bit then I've gotta get moving". Boundaries and Limitations set the ground for a smooth transition, without them who knows what can happen.

 

[MatureDJ]

When you meet a woman that has some interest it could be on a spectrum of very high interest to luke warm interest. You are better off going for women that have high interest, everything lines up and progresses naturally without any real effort.

What if the only women that have high interest are fat?

 

[sangheilios]

the key is to not think of interest level as a static thing and backinthegame touches on it in this post

think of their interest level as buying temperature for a product. A woman who is on the fence about buying a product will evaluate it and it the right combination of a sale or social proof of friends who like it kick in she will go for it.

one of the reasons i landed my wife is that her friends liked me alot too. In fact i made out with one of her friends before i ever kissed her.

increase a womans buying temperature by being fun and interesting and for damn sure let her know you are in demand with other women

You are going to find that the overwhelming majority of relationships that men have with women did NOT play out like this. I've posted on this idea before, but things just lined up for these men naturally and there was no real work involved. These men by chance happened to cross paths with a woman they found attractive, who also were into them to some degree, and they met when BOTH parties were single and available. They also just so happened to have some degree of personal compatibility with one another, and no other life events got in the way, such as a move for work, relative dying, etc. The natural progression of this is to go on another date, then another, etc. and the next thing you know they are seriously seeing each other and are in a relationship. This is how this stuff plays out. In my honest opinion this is all purely luck, you literally need to have all of these variables line up together to end up in a relationship.

The vast majority of men that you see in relationships were NOT reading PUA articles or bending over backwards to try to win over some woman that had luke warm interest at best. They didn't turn low level interest women into being highly interested and eventually make a relationship out of it. They didn't need to be persistent because it's simply not required, again these things just lined up for them.

Women are either interested in you at that given time or they are not, it's that simple. There are some exceptions to this, sure, but the vast majority of frustration men have in the dating market is because they are wasting their own time and energy on women that just aren't all that interested.

Seriously, this all becomes so much easier when you look at it like this.

 

[SW15]

What if the only women that have high interest are fat?

Or single moms.

A lot of normie range men can only get high interest from overweight women and/or single moms.