Stalemate problem with all my dates and matches, solutions?

[JusSayin]

I've tried practising Corey Wayne's "ball is in her court" approach and it is working out terribly so far.

Some examples (rough translations):

1.girl Tried to arrange second date with a girl I saw once (I reached out after a week, no extra texting), a bit of banter and she said:

"about meeting this week idk, maybe sunday"

Since Corey said we don't accept "maybes" I replied

"Sunday we can on 18:00. However, if youre not sure you can make it we can do it another time when your schedule is more clear. Let me know "

"Another evening would suit better, because I had planned to see my girlfriends that day and won't be free so soon"

I replied: "Sacred thing, and sure, we can do it another time. If anything changes, let me know"

GHOSTED FOREVER

2.girl Reached out 4 days after first date with "Hey, I hope you didn't get cold in the end" (we got in heavy rain)

"No, all good, my immunity saved me "

Then I sent voice note saying: "Well, it was nice meeting you and we should definitely meet again. Check your schedule, let me know when you're free and we'll make something happen"

She gave it a heart like and never heard from her again.

3.girl this girl we met on Saturday and then she hit me up on Sunday because she was in town and I thought she wants to have sex, so I met her on Sunday, too, got her over to my house, but she had to leave for her city soon after and we only got to have coffee and flirt a bit. Everything moved quite fast.

Messaged her about 3-4 days later.

"Hey, how is my favorite equestrian doin"

"Good"

Voice message from me: "That's quite eloquent"

her: "Have nothing to say "

me: "Understandable, when I'm not around, nothing fun happens"

her: "yeah yeah yeah "

me: "It was cool together... send me days when you plan to be in city and we will meet again"
[left on read]

4.girl. This one is from Tinder, but same issue.

Me: "Hey, what does it look like, on which days its better for you? I can only do evenings."

Her: "I won't be able to say now, very messy, not enough time"

Me: "No problem. Send me days which you can do on second half of the week, I'll check with my schedule and we'll make it happen"

[left on read indefinitely]

5.girl. Tinder girl

[I initiated after she showed more interst because I stopped messaging as often]

...

Me: "What's your schedule like this weekend"

Her: "Maybe I will have some free time on sunday "

Me: "Sunday evening is good. If you aren't sure if you can make it we can do it another time. If you can definitely do Sunday, then let's meet at 18:00. Let me know "

[left on read indefinitely]

I've slept with over 10 women in my lifetime and I'm not completely clueless. I can get dates pretty easily, but usually I get very bad response (ghosting, disinterest) after first date. I have no idea why, I tried correcting for errors, I've also gotten some women to do ONS with me. What I did wrong previously was contacting the girls too soon (that same evening) or trying to organize the next date on the first one (removing mystery). Right now I'm trying Corey's approach, but as you see it is clearly not working. When you "leave ball in her court" it just remains there indefinitely. Before when I double-texted at times or was more persistant, I at least got more dates and sometimes more sex from this. So what's the problem and how to correct this?

I also try to contact in evenings and don't respond immediately.

I feel like these women are all burned, since it's been a week and they all left me on read.

1. What ways are there to send non-needy text (double texting) to reengage?

2. What ways are there to modify my approach for future to increase odds of successful conversion?

Girl age range: 18-24

My age: 26, 6feet, very fit, been told I'm "handsome" and "hot" by girls in my target range.

Location: Tallin

 

[Dr.Suave]

Its either low interest or something you are doing/saying during the 1st dates that dries her p00zy

 

[Bingo-Player]

I think the problem a lot of men are facing in 2023 is that a lot of single women in their 20's don't taking dating or even sex that seriously its just too damn easy for them to get either so they don't really prioritise either especially with men they don't really know that well

an attractive girl 18-25 could for all intensive purposed be having sex and dates 7 nights a week if she wanted them

It actually becomes more of a hassle for her , to have to sift through all these dudes wanting to take her out and sleep with her

Imagine you have 10-15 men wanting to go out with you every week ( and this is being conservative )

You physically cannot date them all its impossible , so you can afford to be very very fussy and ghost any for the most minor of reasons

most of the old pickup and approach techniques are outdated and badly need updating

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Personally as a single guy in 2023 ive learned you need to get very very comfortable with rejection , dry spells and generally flaky female behaviour because unfortunately it is the norm

after that I would advise

1) selecting girls you physically see often because this gives you an opportunity to become more familiar and more present in her world

2) you need a way to showcase your personality and leverage some status from it wether this be on social media or a YouTube channel or building some sort of local community women LOVE men with status

3) Learn to flirt, you need a make an impression and a big one the only way to do this is either by spiking her emotions or flirting

Linear text conversation in 2023 like " hey what is your schedule looking like this week" is going to get you left on read 9/10 in fact anything she can answer easily Is probably going to get you left on read

4) Do not take women seriously , they are agents of chaos a lot of what they do makes absolutely no sense and trying to understand it will send you insane take it for what it is

5) As soon as she is comfortable with you start building compliance " come here " ," do this" , "give me this " " lets go here"

if she follows she's happy for you too lead and this is very positive , if she doesn't then chances are she's not interested

 

[JusSayin]

Its either low interest or something you are doing/saying during the 1st dates that dries her p00zy

How do I figure out what I do wrong on 1st dates? I tried really hard to eliminate any issues. Some first dates ended up in first day lays, so I guess I'm not doing totally horrible. Maybe I'm too "fuccboi" on them and scare away girls that look for LTR? I always invite them over to split a bottle of wine at my place after we had a bit of drinks.

You're good on paper like some of the guys in here, but you're maybe boring on dates, you don't do fun activities with them so you two connect. If the girl has no interest, no matter what tactic you use, what coach you listen to, it will not go anywhere.

Where do you take them on dates? Don't say dinner.

Haha, no dinner dates, rookie mistake. I'm doing venues in evening, coctails, wine or beer if she is the type. Usually one drink or few, then we walk, somewhere midway I suggest us to grab a bottle of wine and continue at my place while watching some horror movie or something. I do try to be relaxed, banter and flirt. I do touch a lot. I initiate my date with kiss on the cheek always, just to establish that male-female frame. Maybe that's too strong for EE, idk.

1) selecting girls you physically see often because this gives you an opportunity to become more familiar and more present in her world

Yeah, I cold approach, too, but its not often I see girls I actually like during the day. I only approach girls I actually find attractive not anyone with tits and ass.

3) Learn to flirt, you need a make an impression and a big one the only way to do this is either by spiking her emotions or flirting

Where is best guide on how to flirt?

2) you need a way to showcase your personality and leverage some status from it wether this be on social media or a YouTube channel or building some sort of local community women LOVE men with status

My best status is being the fittest guy at the gym, that's about it. I am well-off, but I don't flash my money, because that's stupid and risky. I'm not sure how I can become a celebrity, because while I'm fittest in gym, I'm not fittest in the country and definitely not roided to the guts. I make my money in rather obscure ways and have never shown my lifestyle on IG or any public media as that carries risks on their own.

5) As soon as she is comfortable with you start building compliance " come here " ," do this" , "give me this " " lets go here"

This is good.

Personally as a single guy in 2023 ive learned you need to get very very comfortable with rejection , dry spells and generally flaky female behaviour because unfortunately it is the norm

Well, that is why I am here. I am ok with flakiness and ghosting, I just want it to happen less. The current stats are abysmal and unacceptable. I just want to make specific changes and improve my odds of second dates, hookups, ltrs. That's it.

 

[JusSayin]

Then why are you complaining about? You wanna be 100% bullet proof? Good luck with that.

Well, because I want to improve my odds. I find that I'm better at attracting DTF girls who just want **** than girls who are looking for LTR. And hotter, higher quality girls are often looking for something more serious. I want to reduce odds of scaring them away.
And you know, going to 20 dates only to **** 3 mediocre chicks is lame. Lots of time and energy wasted.

 

[bat soup]

I've tried practising Corey Wayne's "ball is in her court" approach and it is working out terribly so far.

Try Dr Skanypoon's "ball are in her mouth" approach and trust me, it will work out a lot better.

 

[JusSayin]

Try Dr Skanypoon's "ball are in her mouth" approach and trust me, it will work out a lot better.

Your post is a clever reply and good banter, but it doesn't really resolve the issue I'm experiencing.
I guess you are implying Corey is full of ****. I think in some aspects he might be, because nobody is perfect.
But at the end of the day - you have to pick some "coach" to listen to.
I listened to AMS in the past and he wasn't precise enough and also he deals with sassy black women which is a completely different audience and mentality. He is all about purpose and all that, but that's vague. I need very technical advice on suboptimal and more optimal strategies to employ.
My gut feeling is PlayingWithFire is currently the best guy in the game as the banter/flirt in his texts is good and he is definitely not getting laid due to his looks, so there might be some actual skill there.
If you have other dating coaches you could recommend, let me know.

 

[bat soup]

Your post is a clever reply and good banter, but it doesn't really resolve the issue I'm experiencing.
I guess you are implying Corey is full of ****. I think in some aspects he might be, because nobody is perfect.
But at the end of the day - you have to pick some "coach" to listen to.
I listened to AMS in the past and he wasn't precise enough and also he deals with sassy black women which is a completely different audience and mentality. He is all about purpose and all that, but that's vague. I need very technical advice on suboptimal and more optimal strategies to employ.
My gut feeling is PlayingWithFire is currently the best guy in the game as the banter/flirt in his texts is good and he is definitely not getting laid due to his looks, so there might be some actual skill there.
If you have other dating coaches you could recommend, let me know.

I think the problem with all of them generally is that they can only talk about what works for them. Whether that advice works for you is another matter.

I don't think you can learn that much from YouTube unless it's very specifically tailored to your circumstances.

Find someone similar to yourself and see what they do (if it works, of course). Don't waste your time trying to copy some internet personality.

I used to listen to Tom Leykis and I think his advice is great.. if you're a rich ugly guy who wants to lure in dizzy gold diggers and then dispose of them quickly. If you're a decent looking young guy, his advice is pretty much irrelevant (although it's still entertaining).

I think the best advice I ever read was "each man has to find his own way of seducing women". Mimicking others doesn't work.

From what you described, it seemed like you were trying to force the girl to commit when she was unsure about it. That might sometimes work but it can also backfire.

The fact that she wasn't 100% to start with is more the issue. It's a long shot to convert in those cases, no matter what you do.

 

[SW15]

My best status is being the fittest guy at the gym, that's about it.

That's a good position. That can give you status at your gym and can help you with gym approaches.

If you are a generally fit guy, that's also good for your presence on swipe apps (where women have abundance) or in terms of other in-person approaches.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Well, because I want to improve my odds. I find that I'm better at attracting DTF girls who just want **** than girls who are looking for LTR. And hotter, higher quality girls are often looking for something more serious. I want to reduce odds of scaring them away.
And you know, going to 20 dates only to **** 3 mediocre chicks is lame. Lots of time and energy wasted.

It sounds like you need to build more rapport with these LTR focused girls instead of being so hasty about a second date or taking them to bed. Some are very choosy in who they sleep with. That’s is the only thing I can think off outside of the fundamentals.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

It's OVER for Coach Waynecels

BTW coach Corey Wayne is a wack job why are you taking advice from him, anything he says will work if the woman likes you, nothing he says will work if she doesn't.

 

[MatureDJ]

The current stats are abysmal and unacceptable. I just want to make specific changes and improve my odds of second dates, hookups, ltrs. That's it.

It's OVER for AbysmalStatsCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

That's a good position. That can give you status at your gym and can help you with gym approaches.

If you are a generally fit guy, that's also good for your presence on swipe apps (where women have abundance) or in terms of other in-person approaches.

There will always be someone fitter who will mog the sheet out of you.

Mogging

Mogging (a verbification and apheresis of the acronym AMOG for alpha male of the group) is the act of dominating another person. A person who mogs others is called...

incels.wiki

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You seem like you are trying too hard to convince them why they should see you again instead of just asking them out.

That being said all of these women sound like either no's or maybes in time of their interest level in you.

Have any of them texted you first after the date and then consistently texted you on a regular basis afterwards?

If not, they simply aren't that interested in you. Could be because they ont find you sufficiently attractive in person or because you didn't do enough to make them curious enough to want to see you again.

At the end of the day, you simply aren't making these women interested enough in seeing you again. If you were, these issues wouldn't be there because they would be ASKING YOU out again.

 

[sangheilios]

@JusSayin

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but all of those dating gurus, such as Corey Wayne, are just shills trying to make money and attention from men who are frustrated in the dating market. It's all just a bunch of nonsense.

Here is the short answer, if a date doesn't lead to anything more she just wasn't all that interested. I'm not saying this to be mean, it's just not worth the time and energy analyzing what went wrong with the date. It could literally be a million different variables and would be impossible to decipher. Some women go out on dates with men because they are bored and just don't want to be stuck in the house on a Friday night. Maybe you were acceptable for a first date but you had a quirk or mannerism that she didn't like, maybe even reminded her of an ex or something lol.

A very common reason though is that most women are communicating with multiple men at the given period of time you were in contact with her. Maybe there is another guy that she's been talking to longer or is more attracted to that has slight priority over you and others. The reality is that women have insane abundance today, a woman in one month could be talking to more men than a woman 30 years ago may have in an entire lifetime.

Short answer, just assume they weren't interested and move on. You should have other priorities in life other than talking about some women that wasted your time for no reason. This is a huge reason why I left the dating market 4 years ago, I have too many other things going on in my life where I can't afford to have some ***** waste my time because she was bored lol.

 

[sangheilios]

That's a good position. That can give you status at your gym and can help you with gym approaches.

If you are a generally fit guy, that's also good for your presence on swipe apps (where women have abundance) or in terms of other in-person approaches.

You know, I've been noticing a trend that there are a lot of fit/athletic men complaining about their struggles in the dating market. I mean, I know I'm one of them lol, but I've seen this a lot online, with even comments on youtube, and even with people in real life. It's a testament that there is something deeply wrong with the current dating market right now. I've honestly felt this way for several years now, but I've noticed it's been a very hot topic online now for the last year or two, it's even being discussed on mainstream media.

 

[CornbreadFed]

You know, I've been noticing a trend that there are a lot of fit/athletic men complaining about their struggles in the dating market. I mean, I know I'm one of them lol, but I've seen this a lot online, with even comments on youtube, and even with people in real life. It's a testament that there is something deeply wrong with the current dating market right now. I've honestly felt this way for several years now, but I've noticed it's been a very hot topic online now for the last year or two, it's even being discussed on mainstream media.

Because guys struggling with women miss the entire point and think going to the gym and lifting weights is going to bail them out of bad game, laziness, and crappy personality.

 

[sangheilios]

Because guys struggling with women miss the entire point and think going to the gym and lifting weights is going to bail them out of bad game, laziness, and crappy personality.

No, dude. If you are seeing a lot of fit and attractive men struggling in the dating market it shows there is something very wrong. There is no such thing as game, and you are insane if you think it's because those men are lazy or have a bad personality. There are stats showing that 2/3 of young men are single and that women find the overwhelming majority of men as unattractive or lament over there being no good men. You are absolutely insane if you think the problem is men when it's simply the expectations women of them.

I've been out of the game for a while. But if a white man that is 6'4" and one of the fittest men at any gym, currently around 230-235, and has an 8" penis and is sober and normal is struggling what does that say about the dating market? If a guy like me is criticized what ****ing chance do you or the vast majority of men have?

 

[JusSayin]

There is no such thing as game, and you are insane if you think it's because those men are lazy or have a bad personality.

Game exists. It's called social acuity and ability to convert "maybe" girls to "yes" girls. Anything else is determined by looks, money and status.

I've been out of the game for a while. But if a white man that is 6'4" and one of the fittest men at any gym, currently around 230-235, and has an 8" penis and is sober and normal is struggling what does that say about the dating market? If a guy like me is criticized what ****ing chance do you or the vast majority of men have?

Chances are he only wants to **** Stacies. Stacies go for rich guys.

 

[JusSayin]

@JusSayin

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but all of those dating gurus, such as Corey Wayne, are just shills trying to make money and attention from men who are frustrated in the dating market. It's all just a bunch of nonsense.

Here is the short answer, if a date doesn't lead to anything more she just wasn't all that interested. I'm not saying this to be mean, it's just not worth the time and energy analyzing what went wrong with the date. It could literally be a million different variables and would be impossible to decipher. Some women go out on dates with men because they are bored and just don't want to be stuck in the house on a Friday night. Maybe you were acceptable for a first date but you had a quirk or mannerism that she didn't like, maybe even reminded her of an ex or something lol.

A very common reason though is that most women are communicating with multiple men at the given period of time you were in contact with her. Maybe there is another guy that she's been talking to longer or is more attracted to that has slight priority over you and others. The reality is that women have insane abundance today, a woman in one month could be talking to more men than a woman 30 years ago may have in an entire lifetime.

Short answer, just assume they weren't interested and move on. You should have other priorities in life other than talking about some women that wasted your time for no reason. This is a huge reason why I left the dating market 4 years ago, I have too many other things going on in my life where I can't afford to have some ***** waste my time because she was bored lol.

I think this the lazy way. If there were quirks and mannerisms about me that reduced my chances of laying that girl then logically that means if I address these quirks and remove this mannerisms, replacing them with those of a confident guy, over time I will acquire higher odds% of converting girls to lays or even girlfriends. Therefore it is in my best interest to analyze each date for errors I made and correct them, it's also in my interest to seek overall most optimal texting strategy and strategy for building comfort in order to increase my odds of successful result.

You saying dating gurus are all bull is absolutism. At the end of the day, you have to listen to someone, you have to learn from someone. I don't think that it's intellectually honest to claim that literally all dating "gurus" are full of ****. What would be the odds of that?