Some tips from the female perspective

Desdinova

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You either have a good personality or you're rich.
Everyone who comes here usually ends up working on making their personality more attractive. It's one of the few things that a person can improve, and women can easily look through the buck teeth or satellite dish ears, and see that this man has a fantastic personality.

That is why we're here.

Well it's the same the other way around.
My dear, it's normally not the same the other way around. It's a rare occasion that a woman will approach a man, hoping to leave with his phone number. Many women are either too intimidated or too shy to approach a man. So, either the men can sit around with their d1cks in their hands, or they can take it upon themselves to do the approaching.

It seems you've come to this website, and decided to post after your emotional feathers got a little ruffled after reading some of the posts here. Is that correct?

To me, it makes more sense to take dating advice from the opposite sex to get their perspective.
Most, if no all of the guy here have already tried going this route, and it doesn't help. I'm sorry to say this, but most women really don't know themselves all that well.

By all means, keep doing what works.
And that's what we'll keep focussing on.
 

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Just be yourself, just be nice.. Sounds like the definition of an AFC to me. Yep be supplicant, say tons of nice things, even buy her a drink. You'll keep her interest for a date or two and then all of a sudden she doesn't return your calls and you're wondering why. Then the entire cycle starts all over with another woman, then another and another. You become bitter and the saga continues.

Yeah, just be yourself and be "nice" and prove the old adage that nice guys finish last. :rolleyes: Think about it, if being yourself and being "nice" were the secret, wouldn't the lives of "nice guys" be much different?

Yeah, women go for nice guys as much as they believe that size doesn't matter....
 

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MsDonJuan said:
Wowwww. Never thought I'd ever run across a message board where men debate dating even MORE than women do! I have learned a lot about the male point of view by reading all these posts, even though it reinforces what I already knew: men are slaves to pvssy and will put on any kind of facade to get it. But some of your attitudes are so crappy it's no wonder you aren't scoring. Some of the biggest mistakes:

1] Putting too much emphasis on lame pick up lines and hypothetical situations, and not enough on APPEARANCE.
A lot of you think when random women you approached weren't interested, it means your pick up line fell flat. The real reason is she probably did not think you are good looking.

Also, be realistic. Take a look in the mirror. How do you think a girl would rate YOU? If you think you're about a 6, approach girls in the same range. If you think you are a 10 (unless you resemble Brad Pitt, you probably are not), then approach HB10s.

2] Most of you think being ****y is a good thing. While confidence is key, you don't want to over do it. Don't constantly talk about yourself, and NEVER put down a girl you want, even in a playful manner. Ask questions.

Nothing is more satisfying to a girl than rejecting a ****y, egotistical fvcker.

3] Many of you are so wrapped up in saying the right things, and acting the right way, you forget the most important thing: being nice. Be laid back. Don't try too hard to be something you're not. Just be yourself.
I just spent a lot of time typing out a brilliant, poignant point by point rebuttal to your post but it got lost, so I will give you the short brilliant version.

Your advice is silly and counter-productive.

Most of the guys here are young or have been hurt and have no clue how to interact with the opposite sex.(They are not slaves to pvssy - yes they do want to have sex, so what?)

1. I don't use pick up lines and I think they are stupid but if having a line or gimmick helps a guy with a paralyzing fear of the opposite sex to get up off his a s s and start approaching and talking to women instead of their palm then what the hell.

I am a 7.5 or an 8 and I pick up/sleep with/date women who are 8,9 and 10's and are much younger than me. If a man learns how to communicate with women and to capture and lead their imagination and their emotions he can have virtually any women he wants(except for maybe strippers and other damaged women). You are right though a woman who is a ten will pick a loser guy 10 over a loser guy 6 any day.

2. I agree "****y and funny" is stupid - I think a guy should be confident and fun. However, most of the guys with problems are shy or "nice" guys and they need to learn to put their personalities out there. They need to learn to voice their opinions and passions and to hell with what people think. If they cross the line they will learn to adjust. (actually, I can be a bit ****y at times but I know how to do it in a fun way and without coming across as an egotistical ****)

3. Be nice, be yourself - yeah, and stay home and play with yourself while your at it.:) Look, you are not totally wrong here - but the advice sucks. I understand what you mean but the guys who need advice don't.

It is fine to be nice - but you cannot be a doormat, chump, supplicator or emotional dumping ground for women. They do not date men like this.

Be laid back - yes. But you also must have an opinion and desires - you must know what you want and not be afraid to let people know about it.

Be yourself - yes. But don't act the same way you have always acted. If you like to stay home, sit on the couch with your video games and play with Mr. Winky then "being yourself" really isn't going to get you anywhere.

Let people know who you are. Express to people what you are passionate about and go after the things in life that you want. If you don't have any passions go out and find some. Be adventuress, have fun, care about living life to its fullest. Be exciting so that people are drawn to you.

Be the best "you" you can possibly be.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Just be yourself, just be nice.. Sounds like the definition of an AFC to me. Yep be supplicant, say tons of nice things, even buy her a drink. You'll keep her interest for a date or two and then all of a sudden she doesn't return your calls and you're wondering why. Then the entire cycle starts all over with another woman, then another and another. You become bitter and the saga continues.

Yeah, just be yourself and be "nice" and prove the old adage that nice guys finish last. :rolleyes: Think about it, if being yourself and being "nice" were the secret, wouldn't the lives of "nice guys" be much different?

Yeah, women go for nice guys as much as they believe that size doesn't matter....
Some "nice guys" get rejected by women because they are too passive. Women want nice but that doesn't mean wimpy. Nice guys still make decisions and don't get all desperate.

Size does not matter as much as how you work it
 

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CompleteControl said:
It is fine to be nice - but you cannot be a doormat, chump, supplicator or emotional dumping ground for women. They do not date men like this.

Be laid back - yes. But you also must have an opinion and desires - you must know what you want and not be afraid to let people know about it.

Be yourself - yes. But don't act the same way you have always acted. If you like to stay home, sit on the couch with your video games and play with Mr. Winky then "being yourself" really isn't going to get you anywhere.

Let people know who you are. Express to people what you are passionate about and go after the things in life that you want. If you don't have any passions go out and find some. Be adventuress, have fun, care about living life to its fullest. Be exciting so that people are drawn to you.

Be the best "you" you can possibly be.
That's pretty much right. Good to see some of you get it :)
 

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um, people on this site do not usually talk about doing a trick for her. I think you're reading the wrong message board.
No, seriously, there's quite a lot of talk about palm reading, mind reading, cube routine and speed seduction etc.

And the success rate of standing there oogling at a girl who walks by is zero. I've done cold approaches at my college and mall and they do work.
I agree, sitting back and doing nothing is no good to anyone, and if cold approaches work for you, congratulations and respect to you...sincerely!

According to your own logic then, you would be trying to make friends and acquantances like a "common beggar" wouldn't ya?
Not at all, you just socialise and learn how to talk to people without trying to lay them. With enough practice and proficiency, people will start coming to you.


LOL...you kept talking about how looks are really important and then you try to say that you promote self improvement and hardwork? It seems like you're just making things up as you go.
Errr...yes...self improvement and hard work towards improving your looks - image, physique, grooming. Appearance isn't all about genetics and there is a LOT guys can do to make themselves look attractive. Lose weight, gain muscle, improve your fashion sense, groom, tan and so on.

Add this to improved social skills and confidence and girls will be virtually throwing themselves at you, like they do with me (not joking either).
 

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Wake up call for you morons!

Maybe it's useful to remember you that the 90% of the so-called 'girls' attending this site were trolls. I don't want to enquire about MsDonJuan, but either she's a deluded shallow imbecile woman, or he's just another fake. Do you remember how much attention 'Tseluca' had from frustrated guys here? It's just a fake, do not bother answering this living fraud. And, if for a strange case of destiny it's a real woman behind the keyboard, allow me to laugh in your face, milady, your ideas about life are so ridicolous it hurts.

Nobody said we could not have fun with this troll. But please don't give too much attention to his farnetications. Oh, and most importantly, get a goddamn life! :trouble:
 

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Desdinova said:
My dear, it's normally not the same the other way around. It's a rare occasion that a woman will approach a man, hoping to leave with his phone number. Many women are either too intimidated or too shy to approach a man. So, either the men can sit around with their d1cks in their hands, or they can take it upon themselves to do the approaching.

It seems you've come to this website, and decided to post after your emotional feathers got a little ruffled after reading some of the posts here. Is that correct?
Most women are not too shy or intimidated to approach a man... they would rather have guys flock to them.

No "emotional feathers" were ruffled. I like reading what men think we think. If anything this is just entertainment for me.:)
 

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Aerospace said:
Maybe it's useful to remember you that the 90% of the so-called 'girls' attending this site were trolls.
Exactly. Come on, guys, even the first paragraph gives him away. Would a woman write "slaves to pvssy" and "some of your attitudes are so crappy it's no wonder you aren't scoring"?

And would a woman newbie really take the time to sift through the threads before posting, like this fake pretends to have done?

And would a woman, posting for the first time, be so ridiculously ****y as to call herself "MsDonJuan"? They'd be way more humble, if they liked the site, and if they didn't they wouldn't touch the "DonJuan" term.

Anyone who can't see this is a guy posting, no doubt one of the regular posters on here, has a looong way to go before knowing enough about the human mind to be a good DJ.

Goes for Mr. Fake "Ms"DonJuan here too. You thought you could post like a woman? Nice try, loser.
 

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Let's summarize all this shiat. Women think they know what they want but they don't. Am I right?
 

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Aerospace said:
Maybe it's useful to remember you that the 90% of the so-called 'girls' attending this site were trolls. I don't want to enquire about MsDonJuan, but either she's a deluded shallow imbecile woman, or he's just another fake. Do you remember how much attention 'Tseluca' had from frustrated guys here? It's just a fake, do not bother answering this living fraud. And, if for a strange case of destiny it's a real woman behind the keyboard, allow me to laugh in your face, milady, your ideas about life are so ridicolous it hurts.

Nobody said we could not have fun with this troll. But please don't give too much attention to his farnetications. Oh, and most importantly, get a goddamn life! :trouble:
LOL.
These are not my ideas about life, I'm just telling some guys a better approach to getting laid. It appears I have struck a nerve in some of you.
And if you read my other post, I said looks are not everything, but they help, a lot.

Girls are more like, you're either my friend (cool guy who is not good looking) or potential bf/sexguy (cool hot guy). That's it.

Read this --> http://www.laddertheory.com/ladderconstruction.htm
 

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Friendly Otter said:
Exactly. Come on, guys, even the first paragraph gives him away. Would a woman write "slaves to pvssy" and "some of your attitudes are so crappy it's no wonder you aren't scoring"?

Goes for Mr. Fake "Ms"DonJuan here too. You thought you could post like a woman? Nice try, loser.
Lol, not a troll, just a girl who gets hit on by clueless men all the time. And slaves for pvssy is the most accurate description I could think of, I don't see why writing that word makes you think I'm a man.:confused:
 

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Good Post

Let's look at this, we rate women by their appreance "Met this, HB9 (who is probably around a 6 IRL)". Why shouldn't women judge the same way. As I've bulked up I noticed a big change and it was better and better women were attracted to me naturally. First meeting 90% is definatly your appearance.
 

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Read this --> http://www.laddertheory.com/ladderconstruction.htm

People that believe in the ladder theory are losers. Sorry, but its the truth. At my university, the was a discussion on the type of people that buy that bullshyt. Most of them are the type of people someone could get a quick lay out of, or they are idiots.

Here is clever advice from the ladder theory:

"Another thing to watch out for is the code words women use. Here is a translation guide for dealing with women.

Says: I want a man who is motivated and has goals.
Means: I want a rich man

Says: I want a man who knows how to treat a woman.
Means: I want a rich man

Says: He's from a really good family.
Means: He's from a really rich family."

If all women think this way, then the truth of the game is just lie and say your rich. Why bother being honest? Women are gold diggers anyways right?

Also, the ladder theory goes against what you said about being "nice."

Here is another piece of gold from the ladder theory:

"Bytch -- 99.999% of women.

God -- Something you should profess belief in if you think it will help you bang some *****."


So, let me guess MsDJ, are you in the 00.001%? Stop trying to give us advice, unless its logical dude... I mean miss. Or as the "ladder theory would put it: "Bytch begon!"

The ladder theory is very counter productive for people that want a real relationship and self improvement. As public enemy once said, don't believe the hype.
 

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Hey MsDonJuan -

If you really are a woman, your striking a nerve in people because your doing EXACTLY what ****ed up everybody in the first place by a women giving advice on getting women. Not saying all this stuff on this site is true, a lot of it is bull****.. like the lines, tricks and gimmicks. - But the whole basis of it is true as it can get. And that's really not to give a **** about you, at all.

Being nice and asking questions really DOES NOT WORK, letting other guys tool or lead you infront of you, DOES NOT WORK. You KNOW this. Why come on a site and say otherwise.. I mean I sure you think up some excuse as to not like these guys and like the blatant *******. A guy teasing her in a negative manner will always be better than a guy not teasing her at all.

As for the looks thing, it's all subjective.

But I'm sure it happens to you all the time MsDonJuan or did happen all the time.. you go out with some friends and your guy friend gives you some money, just cause he's nice like that. And that guy who always seems to make fun of you is around that you ALWAYS talk about.. well that guy suddenly makes a move. What would you do? What if that guy friend who gave you money you knew for years made a move? You know who'd you do, never mind who was the most negative.
 

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I could never take advice from a woman, the fact is... women give advice on how they would like a man, but put her in a situation with a dj she'll change her mind, because women do, they go on there emotions and if you can make a girl feel emotions, thats half the battle right there... attraction isnt about looks all the time, if you can get a girl emotionally hooked on you, she thinks your like exc now thats attraction.
 

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In regards to the looks thing. Yes there are a lot of hot women with average looking guys, BUT you can bet they're dreaming of some hot stud to take their place. Put that hot stud in front of them, and Mr Average will soon learn where he really stands.

The problem with most guys today is that they're content to be Mr Average and try to compensate with acts, techniques, strategies and balls, when they should be working on transforming themselves into the stud women dream of.
 

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Jariel said:
In regards to the looks thing. Yes there are a lot of hot women with average looking guys, BUT you can bet they're dreaming of some hot stud to take their place. Put that hot stud in front of them, and Mr Average will soon learn where he really stands.

The problem with most guys today is that they're content to be Mr Average and try to compensate with acts, techniques, strategies and balls, when they should be working on transforming themselves into the stud women dream of.
Women are poisoned by the media, they think they should have the hottest guy in the world, but what she doesnt know is, if mr smooth who can make her feel emotions and excitement and his down right ugly, is the one who's going to take her home... the reason? looks are shaded, mystery lies on the inside, women can go out looking for one hot guy and then land with an ugly guy because its emotions over ruling her deception and thats there women senses kicking in.
 

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lol....what a load of s.hite.

thread starter isnt a woman you can tell, and as for Jariel...what a muppet
 

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I agree with DJ Sparky. In fact, I tested this show in front of a few friends the other day. There is this woman that is considered pretty good (8.9) at the club I was in. She was being hit on by this big and well built guy. Dude, was at least a 9. He even had some game. I showed him up. Im not a big and huge muscle man. I just used Dj mentality. Appearance helps, but its nothing compared to game. I would go farther to say that a strong game is better than appearance.
 
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