Some thoughts on POF after 3 years of experince

[Tyson420]

I gave up on POF.

No replies, so I insulted this one girl who was really ****y on her profile. I said she had a big nose, lmao.

She replied in 2 seconds. Wow, so when I'm trying to holla you're like whatever but if I bruise your pride you reply in a minute. What the ****.

I deleted all my pics, you know when you resort to bitterness the online dating thing is not your scene.

It's whatever.

 

[49au]

http://www.plentyoffish.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=28372217

 

[BlackMack177]

my only problem with POF is that in my area there are too many fvckin fat chicks and the one or two fine ones never respond

 

[Solomon]

already then

POF is like any given bar or club. Some guys will go there and complain that there are no decent women. The rest will be finding the decent women in the bar and taking them home.
It depends what bar you go too, I know for a fact the high end venues that I like to go too, There's no competition you don't see all the UG's and fatties its hot hot hot chicks. A regualr bar sure but even then POF is saturated with lots of UG's&fatties
I have had a lot of success with POF. It's easy pvssy.
yup very convient if you busy guy like me(I work 50+ hours a week)
And believe it or not, there are quality women who have come up with the strange idea that it is hard to meet a guy at an obnoxiously loud meat market (I mean nightclub), and go online.

Whats quality in your opinion cause I bet you our definitions are different. Secondly I've been on that site 3 years and speaking from my experience. I reckon I've met close to a 150 women and honestly only handful I could deem "Quality"

I Know my views are a bit negative about this site, but only due my experience, having met some girl I thought were "Ms right" just to have them be "Miss right now" How quickly their IL's change, etc, yeah it can leave you Jaded, I wouldn't say I'm bitter though cause I see the matrix for what it is. "Easy" and "Quality" don't go together and in my opinion it's really hard to find a quality girl on that site. I know a lot of those girls in real life and in person, even some girls that you may deem quality are "undercover skanks". I use to think like that too, that there were good girls(heck my ex was on POF but she canceled her profile after two weeks lol)until I realized how "easy" some of these chicks are. I don't resent them for it, Its part of the game.

I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote.....but some of you guys need to chill out and stop taking online dating so seriously.

Read number 5 again please, I use to be one of those guys, and quality wise you can't compare to the field

It comes off so wierd how you guys bash online dating and how trashy the women on it are, and then turn around and spend all this time and energy composing elaborate essays, rants, analysis, and strategies on how to obtain said trashy women. If it doesn't work for you then why keep banging your head against a wall?

mmh it has been good to me(sometimes slow, sometimes busy, right now its busy season for me), if it hasn't I wouldn't be doing it for 3 years, wouldn't have had 100's of dates/bangs/hooks up etc.

Equally retarded are guys who brag how easy online dating is and everyone else thats struggling is a loser.

nothing to brag about, I'm more impressed with a guy pulling a chick from the bar then online, that requires more game.

Here's my advice....stop giving a f*ck whether you're failing (or succeeding) with women, whether online or in real life.

That's the dumbest crap I've heard, if we didn't care about improving ourselves, not just our lives but with the opposite sex, why bother coming to this site? why even learn seduction?

If you're doing well with it, congratulations have a f*cking cookie.
Can I get some milk too?
If you're struggling, then get ripped, take pictures of you at the pool with your friends and some girls. Otherwise, quit getting your panties in a bunch when women aren't throwing themselves at you. You're not rich, famous, or model good looking....deal with it.
Yeah that's it the old "get buff or ripped" mantra, cause all that matters is looks to get laid or land a girlfriend!like having your shyt handled, or a personality doesn't matter at all
There problem solved in less than 50 words. Go out, get laid, and FFS get on with your life.

No offense dude but its not simple as in 20 words. Women online aren't impressed by a guy who is shirtless it's chessy and try hard(a lot of women actually mention this on their profile). While I see were your coming from your post is very angry man, hence your reasoning isn't logical at all. What's the purpose of coming here if it's as simple as getting ripped then going out to get laid?
This is the problem with Vets who have been here to long. They think its just as simple as getting a 6-pack(which I don't have and I still pull on pof). What about developing a magnetic personality? what about living your life to the fullest? having a social circle? masculine confidence, energy and intent?

If that's simple SStype why even bother posting mate?

 

[Gray The Prince]

I used to be a part of the POF krew on the body building.com misc forum and from my experience what women say on their profile and what they actually respond to are two totally different things. they only put that in their profiles just so they don't sound shallow and whorish. I had a shirtless pic and i sent troll messages to them and got replies dates and a few nudes. POF isnt rocket science. It is a good place for a cheap and easy lay. I don't understand why guys have a really hard time on there.

 

[mrRuckus]

From analysis of emails on their site from the people at OKCupid:

"For example, if you’re a man, does posting a photo showing off your totally ripped 6-pack abs help generate responses? The answer is yes, but the effect declines dramatically with age, as presumably do the abs — by age 31, a man’s photo showing abs has nearly the same effectiveness as any photo of the man with a shirt on; but at age 19 an ab photo is more than twice as effective"

 

[Poonani Maker]

Whenever I read a profile of a moderately hot youngun and she's babbling about "I want a man to do this and that, and take me to concerts" blah blah..I'll write, "Sh!t, I can't do any of that. Sorry" They get sooo frazzled by that. Boom, whala, conversation started.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Sometimes my first message will be, "I'd just kiss you all over based on your pics. You may be different in person though." Bam!

 

[Jaylan]

with all this talk of quality women....in a pof thread....i lol'd so hard. like everyone has said, that site is filled with the bottom tier of women. fatties, ugos, single moms, skanks, and the attractive women there are entitled as hell. and its impossible to find folks without baggage too. their personalities kill your respect for them right away, so you cancel their eligibility as gf material and put them in your fvckzone.

for good women okcupid is waaaaay better. it draws a way better crowd...part of what i think keeps the lower tier men and women away is that on okc they really push you to fill out your profile. there are various sections as well. not just some 100 character limit where girls say nothing like on pof.

plus okc is like a social networking site too. and the interface is nicer too look at and navigate. i dunno why it is really though, that okc draws a more quality educated crowd then pof. i mean i come across a lot more yuppies and folks with degrees on okc than pof, and for me an educated woman with career ambition is super attractive.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

You get what you pay for.

The best looking women I pulled from match. Well worth the couple bucks a month.

Okcupid is decent too. Not bad for a free site.

As for POF, I f*cked 1 nice looking girl, the rest were sub-par. The best strategy is the have accounts on different online dating sites.

 

[sstype]

No offense dude but its not simple as in 20 words. Women online aren't impressed by a guy who is shirtless it's chessy and try hard(a lot of women actually mention this on their profile).

x2 What Ruckus and Gray posted. Women lie. They also say their not easy and "not that kind of girl." Like my gf's old roommate....posts that b.s. on her profile while f*cking 3 other dudes at the same time. Don't be gullible.

While I see were your coming from your post is very angry man, hence your reasoning isn't logical at all. What's the purpose of coming here if it's as simple as getting ripped then going out to get laid?

Because sometimes it is that simple. If guys would spend half the time they spend trolling on POF just getting in good shape, increasing their earning power, and going out and socializing regularly, they would be too preoccupied with getting laid in the real world to even bother trying to hookup with women of questionable quality on a dating website.

If you want to get laid on POF easy then study your target audience. Mostly shallow, impressionable dumb b*tches. So appeal to them with a six-pack and maybe a picture with your hot chick friends and you won't have to resort to making it another full-time job.
(btw are you getting paid for this? You're doing it wrong)

. What about developing a magnetic personality? what about living your life to the fullest? having a social circle? masculine confidence, energy and intent?

Lol.....don't pretend you're doing all of this because you want to be a better person and "live life to the fullest." You just want to get laid, not find enlightenment. I've seen some of the biggest losers (who had none of the qualities above you mentioned) get laid just fine and plenty.

I promise the majority of women on POF could care less about your magnetic personality.

If that's simple SStype why even bother posting mate?

Because it is....humans had sex and reproduced just fine before SoSuave, and continue to do so without having to dedicate a huge chunk of their lives obsessing over it. Nothing wrong with pointing that out. Peace.

 

[rum]

My POF experience lasted all of 24 hours...it's the very definition of dumpster diving (and the site itself is not very user friendly) I'll stick to okcupid for the moment...even though most of the women on that site are flakey ****s with massive egos...there are a few diamonds in the rough

 

[Tyson420]

I met a really nice girl on OKC.

She lived in the City, and I had no car so I gave up on it. It was a shame since she was really cool, and was unlike any girl I've ever met.

 

[49au]

• There is a difference between quality women and easy women. BOTH exist on POF and BOTH have their purpose.
  
• Yes, MOST of the women on POF are fat/ugly/stupid/arrogant/low quality. Probably 90%+. And guess what? Sometimes 90%+ of the women you encounter on a day to day basis are just as undesirable. IRL, you just often do not see their inadequacy and princess complexes as quickly as you do when they are forced to write about themselves and create a profile.
  
• If you live in a large city like Miami, there are a lot of decent prospects. If you like in Anytown, USA, then no, there aren't going to be many at all. Like anything else, it's a numbers game.
  
• The fact that most of the women on this site are low quality does NOT mean that there are no high quality women, and that the high quality women cannot be obtained. Don't be stupid.
  
• Online dating is a different ballgame. You need good looks, good photos, creativity, and wit. If you have these things, you can do very well.

These threads are so annoying.

Some people have had success with it. Others haven't.

My personal experience has been positive. Yet I would not write off the negative experience of someone else, as I would expect them to not write off my (very) positive experience.

 

[squirrels]

If people on online dating sites are "low-quality"...then you have to ask yourself why YOU'RE on there.

As I've said before, attractive women on those websites are basically unobtainium, unless they come after YOU first. The reason is that if you're an attractive girl, you will get 100 messages a day from guys. Half of those will be overt sexual solicitation...wang pics, simple crap like, "I want to f**K you" or something more creative like, "I want to eat marshmallows out of your *sscrack". Then the guys who throw out simple "hi"s get deleted instantly as well, and any "clever line" you can come up with, she'll look at it and say, "That's a clever line". None of it seems natural to them.

The women I meet on there LOVE telling me about all of the goofs they get contacted by on that website. And it's BAD. Most women get so overwhelmed that they don't have TIME to deal with even the GOOD messages...they have to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Your BEST bet is to, as everyone's been saying, have some decent pictures (which will get their attention) and enough good stuff in your profile that THEY contact YOU.

Girls aren't better or worse "quality" in the field, but out in a bar or nightclub, the guys take a lot longer to work up the balls to approach a girl. Without what Rollo calls the "buffer" of the Internet, guys feel the "out of my league" feeling a lot more and have a lot more pride to lose by being shot down in public, rather than just being ignored by E-mail.

This is why the HOT girls rarely stay in a given bar or club longer than 15 minutes or so...they give the confident guys enough time to put an approach on them. If none bite, they bail before the lesser men work up the confidence.

On PoF...well, a lot of women are on there for entertainment. I do know women that will log on to that site just to entertain themselves with all of the attention and weirdness that they witness.

Here's my advice....stop giving a f*ck whether you're failing (or succeeding) with women, whether online or in real life.

This isn't bad advice. People take this crap WAY too seriously.

It's been my number one complaint with 9 out of every 10 people I meet. With the diversity of experiences available in the world, life is too short to waste it worrying about something so petty as mating.

Everyone wants a companion...no one wants to go it alone. And let me tell you, GOOD sex wreaks havoc with your entire emotional structure, and you may start having thoughts that go completely against your good sense. But you need to have the constitution to see the romance-world for what it is.

 

[Solomon]

mmmh k

mmmh k

Because sometimes it is that simple. If guys would spend half the time they spend trolling on POF just getting in good shape, increasing their earning power, and going out and socializing regularly, they would be too preoccupied with getting laid in the real world to even bother trying to hookup with women of questionable quality on a dating website.

Read point number 5 again in my original post SST, your actually just re-stating what I stated but a bit more well rounded. The truth is though I know plenty of successful guys(not just Ninja, 49au, the sting, etc) But guys in real life who use POF(my mentor introduced me to the site and he hooks up with some gorgeous women) that are high value. This whole notion that high value guys don't use POF is absurd, like 49au said its easy "puzzay" and what high value guy doesn't use an easy outlet? (i.e. Tiger Woods, Anthony Weiner, Arnold Swarznegger anyone?)

Lol.....don't pretend you're doing all of this because you want to be a better person and "live life to the fullest." You just want to get laid, not find enlightenment. I've seen some of the biggest losers (who had none of the qualities above you mentioned) get laid just fine and plenty.

aww now we getting to the real issue, So you think guys who are on POF are losers. This shaming tactic is the same one that feminist use when they try to make guys on this site look like misogynist. Initially yeah when I came on this site almost 3 years ago it was to get laid. However SST, like you stated I realized I had to work on myself. This post is just my experience on the site, and like I said before its left me a bit jaded. Last year at this time. I didn't have a job, was at home getting fat and reading blogs. A year later, I work 55+ hours a week, got a better car and now I'm hitting the gym 4 times a week. Life isn't perfect but man It gets better if I stay dedicated to improvement of self!
I promise the majority of women on POF could care less about your magnetic personality.

Doesn't hurt if you have, I just got a text msg the other day from a lady who enjoyed my company stating I was "Super", good looks might get you in the door but having a "Super" personality doesn't hurt, guess what don't tell anyone this but *whispers real low* it makes women come back

Because it is....humans had sex and reproduced just fine before SoSuave, and continue to do so without having to dedicate a huge chunk of their lives obsessing over it. Nothing wrong with pointing that out. Peace.

7 years on this site SST I'm pretty sure when you first came you didn't have it all figured out right mate?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=183687
^^^or maybe not, this post is less then 3 months old tsk tsk tsk, you almost had me fooled mate!:nono:

I don't think not having enough plates is my issue. I always try to talk to and ask out many women, the problem is for whatever reason, the vast majority of them end up leading to nothing. I've approached in gyms, supermarkets, clubs, bars, bookstores......and ironically enough my easiest pickup was a stripper I met at the strip club she worked at. We are currently dating and she is way hotter, cooler, and smarter than any of the women i tried talking to at the more "socially acceptable" venues. I just got lucky I guess.

Trust me on this, something is wrong with women these days, even my guy friends, who, like me, are all above average in looks, have good jobs, their own places, easy going, are struggling worse than I am.

^^this post just contradicts half of what you said, so honestly dude I can't take your post seriously coming in here with that holier then thou attitude but yet your crying about not being able to approach chicks successfully. and that even your friends who are "above average in looks great jobs" etc are struggling worst then you, this basically kills your whole argument mate :kick:

This "Game" that were in, requires dedication, not just to learning how to become better with women but also better men. You think that just cause your curling 55IBS weights women are suppose to fall on your c0ck? mo-fo please

 

[Solomon]

No Beef, Just My Thoguhts

dang Everyone got their panties in a bunch eeh? lol

• There is a difference between quality women and easy women. BOTH exist on POF and BOTH have their purpose.
  
  If you find them please let me know mate, After 100+ dates, hook ups etc I haven't, well some I thought I did but their is only so long fakers can pretend
  
• Yes, MOST of the women on POF are fat/ugly/stupid/arrogant/low quality. Probably 90%+. And guess what? Sometimes 90%+ of the women you encounter on a day to day basis are just as undesirable. IRL, you just often do not see their inadequacy and princess complexes as quickly as you do when they are forced to write about themselves and create a profile.
  Maybe so but Hot damn it felt good last night when I approached that 7.5 and her hot friend (easily a 9) No better feeling in the world knowing that my friends were to scared to approach even though their better looking then me.
• If you live in a large city like Miami, there are a lot of decent prospects. If you like in Anytown, USA, then no, there aren't going to be many at all. Like anything else, it's a numbers game.
  No doubt, too bad I'm not in Miami eeh?
• The fact that most of the women on this site are low quality does NOT mean that there are no high quality women, and that the high quality women cannot be obtained. Don't be stupid.
  Once again whats up with the shaming tactics? I'm going of my experience dude, and if High Quality women can be obtained on that site once again what makes them high quality? that whole "quality" statement is subjective once again what you may deem high quality I may not
• Online dating is a different ballgame. You need good looks, good photos, creativity, and wit. If you have these things, you can do very well.

check, check check, not disagreeing with ya on that mate, if you read my OP, you would know that cough cough.thatAmante Silverste put me on my profile if anyone has seen his, you know the guy is legit thanks to him my lay rate increased times 3. Amante If you reading this mate, just wanna say thank you, once again :rockon:
These threads are so annoying.
"If you don't like my shyt just press fast forward"--Jay-z
Some people have had success with it. Others haven't.

My personal experience has been positive. Yet I would not write off the negative experience of someone else, as I would expect them to not write off my (very) positive experience.

Your experience have been positive and I can't knock your experince. I've got laid shyt tons and like I said my experience is negative just for the fact how quickly womens IL changes, the flaking etc. Even though I know my pull rate is more then the average guy (thanks to great profile+pics+tight online game) to me personally the effort isn't worth it.

I'm not knocking your stance 49, I respect ya but a lot of women on POF wouldn't even be allowed to go in the venues that I sarge at in real life. I only use pof to supplement my game not the main focus of it. If I didn't work 50-60 hours a week I'd in the field like one of these RSD guys.

:yes:

 

[49au]

I've got laid shyt tons and like I said my experience is negative just for the fact how quickly womens IL changes, the flaking etc.

If you are experiencing this with numerous women, maybe the problem is not the women.

If you find them please let me know mate, After 100+ dates, hook ups etc I haven't, well some I thought I did but their is only so long fakers can pretend

Again, if in 100+ dates or hookups, you have not found a girl you consider quality, then perhaps these women aren't the issue.

These women you see on POF? Many of them are the same ones you see in clubs, bars, and on the street. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

if High Quality women can be obtained on that site once again what makes them high quality? that whole "quality" statement is subjective once again what you may deem high quality I may not

Fair enough. I consider a quality girl to be:

- attractive
- health conscious
- financially stable
- mentally stable
- intelligent
- good conversationalist with opinions of her own
- respectful and polite
- flirty and sexual but makes you wait 2 or 3 dates to fvck her


I have met women like this on POF. More than one. And I have been approached by women like this on POF. More than once. I have a good profile and I make it easy for them to open.

I have also met emotionally unstable women, and women I've fvcked once or hooked up with and never seen again.


Your mileage may vary.


Online dating is just a tool to meet women. It should not be the focus of any "strategy" or god forbid, your life. It is just one way to get pvssy or even find a decent girl.

 

[sstype]

I'm flattered you would reference my old posts, but I don't really see where my last thread contradicts what I'm saying right now....I basically said that spending all this effort trying to convince women to sleep with me was a waste of time....and I still think its a waste of time.

Before that, I bought into the same delusion as you....that there are tons of beautiful, laid back, mentally sound, sexually available women out there just waiting for me to add them to my plate collection. My last post was me deciding to ground myself in the reality that as an average guy, this would not be the case on a regular basis, that I would not have that kind of luxury at my current station, especially with work, gym, family, and friends occupying the majority of the time.

Hence, I would rather have my cool, quality, educated, attractive girlfriend to spend my free time then fritter it away on a bunch of losers on a dating website.

Yeah, I may have been complaining at the time....but it was more of a paradigm shift on what I wanted in life rather than what was expected of me as a "Don Juan" or "Master Seducer." My post pretty much said "f*ck it" rather than try and smooth talk a bunch of b*tches I don't even care about.

You just admitted yourself to dealing with tons of flakes, low IL, and low quality dates despite your 3 years of experience with this....so have you really gained much besides a bunch of negative experiences with subpar women?

You want a quality girl? Then stop associating with the trash on POF and find someone you actually enjoy being around.

Most of "game" is simply not being a social retard around women and being her physical type.....beyond that its a matter of being at the right place/right time/right girl. I think you overestimate you're actual skillset with women. Once you have your sh*t together...the only game that can guarantee steady dates/lays is the numbers game.

Anyways, this will be my last rebuttal....feel free to have the last word....hope you find what you're looking for..

 

[Jariel]

A lot of people are looking at this wrong. Just like picking up on streets, clubs or malls, if you're not getting any success you have to ask yourself what YOU are doing wrong.

Trashing POF and all the people on it doesn't help you grow or increase your chances, and it doesn't explain why other guys are having such great success from it.

I've been having lots of success from POF and pulled a number of 8s and 9s. There are a lot of attention wh0res, flakes, ugly chicks and a lot of weirdos, but at least POF makes it easier to filter them out. If you don't like them don't reply to them. Simple.

Don't take it personally if you don't get a reply or they stop replying after a while. Some women just aren't interested, or they're focused on another specific guy. It's upto you to become that guy they're into above all others.

I get bombarded with mails from ugly women and I would say only 30-40% of my messages get a reply, but every so often I'll get a hottie contact me or reply to my mail, we build rapport, swap numbers and take it from there.

If there's just one quality women on there look for, it's someone who is normal. Every woman I've spoken to said the same thing, they're sick of weirdos, sex pests, bitter guys who insult them, blaggers and show offs, wannabe players, guys who can't string a sentence together....just as we are sick of the slobs and attention wh0res. They just want a guy who puts on no pretences and can make them feel comfortable.