Some Questions about AMoGing

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1) If a particular social situation is already taken over by a guy who has the attention of all the women there, how do you deal with it?

2) If a guy insults the woman you are gaming or flirts with her, what do you do?

Its been a long time since I posted last, Ive been going out there in the field with massive success and these two things bothers me from time to time, crashing the sets, making situations hostile.
 

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1) Sit back and observe. Think before you act, meet the guy as an equal. Do not lower yourself, meet as equal. If he challenges, challenge back

2) Insults - tell him to fvck off. Flirts - depends on the woman there. If she is yours, I would pull him to one side and discuss with him, i did this once. I said I see what you are doing, and I don't fvcking like it. Never happened again. keep that away from her. If he raises with her and others, he will look like the pvssy. If it's going on in front of you, watch it and smile. Like you know it's happening but you think it's amusing. That is powerful. Talk to him like a kid "ahhh....I think he has a crush on you, insert girls name, how sweet" that will disarm without looking insecure. I personally love the condascending comment like this.

The other way this talking down can work is when a guy is trying to impress your girl with talking about what he owns, what he has done etc. "Would you like some approval? Well, that's a really impressive thing you've done. Well done!"

 

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1) Sit back and observe. Think before you act, meet the guy as an equal. Do not lower yourself, meet as equal. If he challenges, challenge back

2) Insults - tell him to fvck off. Flirts - depends on the woman there. If she is yours, I would pull him to one side and discuss with him, i did this once. I said I see what you are doing, and I don't fvcking like it. Never happened again. keep that away from her. If he raises with her and others, he will look like the pvssy. If it's going on in front of you, watch it and smile. Like you know it's happening but you think it's amusing. That is powerful. Talk to him like a kid "ahhh....I think he has a crush on you, insert girls name, how sweet" that will disarm without looking insecure. I personally love the condascending comment like this.

The other way this talking down can work is when a guy is trying to impress your girl with talking about what he owns, what he has done etc. "Would you like some approval? Well, that's a really impressive thing you've done. Well done!"
Everything you said is coherent with my mindset except...

Wouldnt defending a girl against insults by telling him to fvck off be akin to white knighting in a way?

And if not, wouldnt doing that express my attachment towards her, ruining my game with her?
 

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Everything you said is coherent with my mindset except...

Wouldnt defending a girl against insults by telling him to fvck off be akin to white knighting in a way?

And if not, wouldnt doing that express my attachment towards her, ruining my game with her?
No, if it's your girlfriend you can't let that slide. She is with you. You are her man. Another man disrespecting her is your responsibility. However, you don't need to fight the guy, just insult him back. White knighting is much more than just telling people giving your GF or plate grief.

If you insulted a guys GF, and he said F all, what would you think? Well done for not being white knight? Pvssy.

However, just getting away from the guy without a huge confrontation is key. However, if it's overt and in your face, you have to do something. The something isn't anger...mock the dude. Make him start anger. Mock him. I'd overtly tell him to go fvck himself if it's bad. Get him tohave to act. Don't lose your shyt first. make him lose his.
 

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Insults your girl you backhand him across the jaw

Flirts with your girl you get an aggressive stance and tell him to fallback or chits gonna get real.


Either way no tactic u do is gonna work unless u can backup your words with physical prowess.


Guys only understand violence. Some little snarky comments wont work if dude is ready to throwdown
 
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Insults your girl you backhand him across the jaw

Flirts with your girl you get an aggressive stance and tell him to fallback or chits gonna get real.


Either way no tactic u do is gonna work unless u can backup your words with physical prowess.


Guys only understand violence. Some little snarky comments wont work if dude is ready to throwdown
Somebody has obviously never been to jail.
 

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I've never been a set-crasher. I feel like that comes from insecurity. I don't particularly need to be the center of attention. If it happens, fine, but don't force it.

As for #2, your own insecurities come into play here. Are you honestly worried about losing the girl? That's the real problem. If you don't care, then it isn't a problem. I have always felt that the right answer to a guy hitting on my girl is "you can have the b!tch if you want her that badly." Funniest thing, though, when your woman sees that, she will push away the other guy, and come running back to you. It's all just basic psychology. The guy who wants her less is showing a higher SMV.
 

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No one can game a woman from you unless she wants it. It's not about you or him, it's about her. Read her body language, if she is responding favorably to some dude, then just go find another chick. If she isn't, use the opportunity to ask her "Do you want to get out of here?"

No chick is worth getting into a fight over, period. You can't game chicks if you are sitting in a holding cell.
 

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If a particular social situation is already taken over by a guy who has the attention of all the women there, how do you deal with it?

Here’s a situation I found myself recently. I met a guy in the local dive bar and we get chatting. Quickly we realise we’re getting along and we make an evening of it as we’re both out solo anyway.

As far as overall value goes, we’re about on a par; he’s more worldly and confident and sociable with others. Physically, I have the upper hand on most if not all levels. We’re getting along fine anyway and go to the late bar.

After a while he gets talking away to this cute blondie and I’m just minding my own business, chipping in to conversation here and there as I normally do. A bit later, he starts actually match-making between the two of us. She is cute, so I start paying her a bit more attention and the other guy backs off; this by the way, is how two solid gents winging each other behave – none of this good cop bad cop BS. Long story short, I pulled the girl, and we all ended up going our separate ways. In this instance, I came out with the spoils. Guys who work together like this will always be more successful than those trying to compete.

The moral of the story: two men who are strong enough and confident in their own abilities don’t really need to compete overtly on a direct level. Macho posturing is for teenagers and the mentally weak.

If a guy has the attention of a girl (you like), the best way to get her attention is to let them get on with it without looking thirsty by engaging in competition. Find someone else to talk to and be ready when your turn arises, which it invariably will. Who cares; it’s one girl.



If a guy insults the woman you are gaming or flirts with her, what do you do?

Regards flirting, see the last sentence of my previous answer. Chances are if a guy is overtly ‘flirting’, he’s going to flirt he way right out of contention very quickly – most guys can’t do it because it’s an over-blown act to them. Charming, charismatic guys who get girls are in constant, low-amplitude flirt mode, with everyone. Let it pan out, recycle the situation and start again.

My only reaction to this is, don’t react. Not in a manner out of the ordinary anyway. A guy who is acting out in any respect is only expressing his own insecurities and lack of worth, and you can assume he's feeling threatened; that also goes for if he is trying to ‘AMOG’ you, in any way. You deal with this he same way you deal with an irate women – amused mastery. I’d say don’t get bullied, or let anyone bully anyone else. Don’t be afraid to pull people up on their BS, but also don’t feel shame in simply walking away.

In summary, if you wanna be the ‘AMOG’ in any room, simply be the most calm and collected guy without overtly communicating any agenda in particular. And try to associate with like minds and characters, because some guys, by default, will play your hand for you and lose the game for you by association. The character of a man is ultimately defined by the company he keeps.

The moment you start 'trying' to do something, or be someone, is the very same moment your authenticity deserts you, quickly to be replaced by an air of thirst and sense of scarcity.
 

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Insults your girl you backhand him across the jaw

Flirts with your girl you get an aggressive stance and tell him to fallback or chits gonna get real.


Either way no tactic u do is gonna work unless u can backup your words with physical prowess.


Guys only understand violence. Some little snarky comments wont work if dude is ready to throwdown
Lol. No.

In most cities in America, this kind of mindset will get your azz killed (one day or another). Or jailed. Or beat up and jailed. If you're in a small town, sure, you can get away with a bar fight or two, but still pretty pointless.

So here's some practical advice from someone who actually goes out and deals with these types of situations.

Established AMOG--Depends on the vibe I get from him. If he seems like a solid guy, then approach him man-to-man. You're not trying to sneak into his hen house & steal his stock. You treat him with respect, throw some social niceties his way, watch the girls he's gaming & wing him with the one he seems more into and then take the others off his hands. If he likes you, he'll want you to succeed & chances are the girls are friends and won't just bail on each other and both of your best interests lie in keeping things moving in a fun direction until the end of the night.

My mindset when I go out is Everybody wants me to succeed; everybody wants to be my friend. Plenty of girls to go around for everyone. Combativeness & competition usually requires two parties to escalate that situations. And social pressure dictates that you are nice to people who are nice to you or you risk looking like an insecure tool. So adopt the frame that suits your best interests and stick with it.

However, there's another kind of AMOG--or not even necessarily an AMOG but sometimes just a troll--and these guys exist just to tool you or to make you lose frame. So you just don't react to his frame & you use social pressure to turn the group against him. Usually I just use non-sequitirs & agree and amplify any insults. Doesn't really matter as long as you don't fall into his frame or react emotionally.

Chances are he'll either give up or end up tooling himself out & then you just mention to the girl something like: Do you know this guy? And remove her from the set. If she does, well, he's her problem. She is being judged for the company she keeps and if her friend's a cvnt or the guys she's with are douches, IT IS HER RESPONSIBILITY TO DEAL WITH THEM EFFECTIVELY IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO LOSE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH A HIGH VALUE MALE. Pretty easy & girls will pick up on those subcomms and fall into that frame. After all, she fears social judgment over everything and if your judgment seems higher value than his, you're golden.

Poachers--Guys who enter into your set are just there to try to fvck you up. So don't let them into your frame. Again, if you don't react they lose their power. Until they threaten you or the girl physically, just ignore anything that doesn't bring you closer to your goals of having a good time & hopefully pulling the girl.

However, this should be a rare occurrence. If it happens frequently, then some part of your inner game is fvcked up & you're sending off subcomms that you're an easy target. Take honest inventory of your insecurities: Do you have any sense of shame? Inadequacy? Imposter syndrome? Fear of social judgment? Etc. Meditation is great for identifying whatever issue & resolving it.
 

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AMoG sounds cool at the bar only because a lot of those guys have a few good stories and they tell the same ****ing stories every time. All you have to do is sit there and be amused and slowly start chunking away at their stories. Be very inquisitive. Ask questions as he talking . Act like you're becoming a bro, but really you're challenging him on facts because half the **** he's talking about is a farce at best and happened when he was drunk.

Usually hallways through a story, you can tell there are full of ****.
 

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If someone persists, "sorry mate, but we're on a date. We aren't looking to meet anyone new tonight". Frame him as the social violator that he is, and nail him on that.

Just whisper in her ear that there are a lot of jealous guys around.
If you're normally a social guy and your girl is too I can see this backfiring. She might think you're insecure by telling him you aren't trying to meet anyone tonight.

After all what cool sociable person doesn't like meeting new people? She could view that as jealousy and your value in her eyes might be lowered.

Depends on the girl and situation though
 

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Letting a guy persistently intrude on your date, based on some sort of fear about "not seeming social enough" is bizarre.

Anyone with instincts and intuition that has been in the situation will have felt the weird vibe that happens in the set. That's because a woman there for the right reasons wants to be in your presence and connect to me. They have typically waited for me to do something about it, whilst not encouraging the amog.

It's about reading the situation. And it really isn't difficult.

It's also probably about dating styles. Whilst of course I'm not averse to some brief chit-chat or riffing with people whilst on a date, I'm not there to socialize. My focus is on the girl, and her's is on me. I'm not interested in meeting her friends, or going to a concert, or whatever. Anything outside of a 1 on 1 dynamic, I just plain don't do.

Had a girlfriend last year start out by being awkward and trying to change our first date to a rock concert. I was completely willing to walk away, if that was the deal. What fvcking good is a rock gig for escalating anything? Women have sh*t instincts, and will self-destruct a set, if you allow them to take the lead.

We ended up with a mid-week date that was a proper date which I planned, and went great. No amogs for that btw... but if there was, it would have been completely out of keeping with the vibe of the date, he would have been an obvious social violator, and I wouldn't have pushed her to lead by forcing her to be sociable and appeasing with the cvnt whilst I sat there passive like a lemon.

Seriously, if a woman is more interested with the guy invading your set, than she is with you, then you are just dealing with low-interest.
I completely missed the part where you said "if someone persists", my bad.

I took it as you and your girl just enter the venue and the first person that comes up to you guys you immediately respond with "we're on a date not looking to meet anyone bye" Lol.

A knee jerk reaction like that looks bad is what I meant.

But yea if some dude is being annoying and not going away then yea you're right.
 

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well i suck at talking-back so i would push him in hoping he would fell on the ground. he wont fight back if you are bigger
 

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A girl that's with you and likes you a lot, will be immediately stand offish to s guy trying to talk to her in a public setting
 

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well i suck at talking-back so i would push him in hoping he would fell on the ground. he wont fight back if you are bigger
Should probs only do this IF the situation warrants a push/punch.

But to your point, just because someone is smaller doesn't mean they won't fight back. One of my best friends is an ex-marine and currently takes MMA classes. This guy is like 160lbs and could kick anyone's ass in my close friend social circle. And my social circle, including me, consists mostly of guys around 190-210lbs with minimal fat that lift weights regularly and are in good shape.

So moral of the story..

If you're gonna initiate a fight, make sure it's not with my Marine MMA friend :p
 

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Insults your girl you backhand him across the jaw

Flirts with your girl you get an aggressive stance and tell him to fallback or chits gonna get real.


Either way no tactic u do is gonna work unless u can backup your words with physical prowess.


Guys only understand violence. Some little snarky comments wont work if dude is ready to throwdown
Clint, you are really living up to your nickname :)
 

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A girl that's with you and likes you a lot, will be immediately stand offish to s guy trying to talk to her in a public setting
Depends on the girl and the context. Women will entetain it slightly if they like you more. Some girls, sometimes, because they want you jealous.
 

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Letting a guy persistently intrude on your date, based on some sort of fear about "not seeming social enough" is bizarre.

Anyone with instincts and intuition that has been in the situation will have felt the weird vibe that happens in the set. That's because a woman there for the right reasons wants to be in your presence and connect to me. They have typically waited for me to do something about it, whilst not encouraging the amog.

It's about reading the situation. And it really isn't difficult.

It's also probably about dating styles. Whilst of course I'm not averse to some brief chit-chat or riffing with people whilst on a date, I'm not there to socialize. My focus is on the girl, and her's is on me. I'm not interested in meeting her friends, or going to a concert, or whatever. Anything outside of a 1 on 1 dynamic, I just plain don't do.

Had a girlfriend last year start out by being awkward and trying to change our first date to a rock concert. I was completely willing to walk away, if that was the deal. What fvcking good is a rock gig for escalating anything? Women have sh*t instincts, and will self-destruct a set, if you allow them to take the lead.

We ended up with a mid-week date that was a proper date which I planned, and went great. No amogs for that btw... but if there was, it would have been completely out of keeping with the vibe of the date, he would have been an obvious social violator, and I wouldn't have pushed her to lead by forcing her to be sociable and appeasing with the cvnt whilst I sat there passive like a lemon.
Rur set, than she is with you, then you are just dealing with low-interest.
Rock concert first date is weird. A whole 4 hours probably with no bail option. You cannot leave a concert saying "oh, I think i left the heating on"
 
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