Social Circles > Cold Approach > Nothing at all.

[JohnyTheArrow]

Cold approach in 2015 is creepy and outdated as fvck until you are young,very good looking or very rich/famous.It has very low success ratio.You are open for a shot and easy to shot down because you disclosed your intentions besides it's terrible waste of time if chick is any attractive she must have someone so until your SMV is much higher it's uphill battle.

Much better is social aproach ( going to classes and courses and meeting chicks there or indirect aproach.There was guy who banged countless chicks with indirect aproach.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...et-500-women-new-york-subway-reveals-too.html

 

[skinnyguy]

Cold approach in 2015 is creepy and outdated as fvck until you are young,very good looking or very rich/famous.It has very low success ratio.You are open for a shot and easy to shot down because you disclosed your intentions besides it's terrible waste of time if chick is any attractive she must have someone so until your SMV is much higher it's uphill battle.

Much better is social aproach ( going to classes and courses and meeting chicks there or indirect aproach.There was guy who banged countless chicks with indirect aproach.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...et-500-women-new-york-subway-reveals-too.html

Hard to disagree with this post. I think guys do cold approach because it allows them to talk to any hot girl but the success rate is probably in the single digits. I met my girl at a meetup event. When she gets approached randomly by guys she calls them creepy.

 

[thatfeel]

Cold approach in 2015 is creepy and outdated as fvck until you are young,very good looking or very rich/famous.It has very low success ratio.You are open for a shot and easy to shot down because you disclosed your intentions besides it's terrible waste of time if chick is any attractive she must have someone so until your SMV is much higher it's uphill battle.

Much better is social aproach ( going to classes and courses and meeting chicks there or indirect aproach.There was guy who banged countless chicks with indirect aproach.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...et-500-women-new-york-subway-reveals-too.html

That article seems pretty direct to me. I mean is the differentiating factor that he always gets off at the next stop?

 

[JohnyTheArrow]

That article seems pretty direct to me. I mean is the differentiating factor that he always gets off at the next stop?

Direct aproach when you hit on girl and then ask number or date without social context.

Undirect aproach is when you ask girl in social context like asking for directions if girls blows you off you save face.In undirect aproach girls is never sure if you are picking her up or just a nice guy.Notice he never ask for number but for email which is more like 'lets be friends' Im nice guy.

 

[thatfeel]

All of the points seem logical but also contradictory to what's being passed around here. The last thing a guy wants, and, I think most will agree, is for a girl to see the guy as a "friend". Again, I see and understand the point, it's just interesting I guess. What I want to know is how all of his interactions go after he emails them. Any woman can blow off an email soooooooooooooooo much more easily than they can a text or phone call. I would say they're all pretty easy for a girl to blow off but the chances of you getting an email back I would say are far less than the chances of getting a text or a phone call answered.

 

[Trump]

Cold approach in 2015 is creepy and outdated as fvck until you are young,very good looking or very rich/famous.It has very low success ratio.You are open for a shot and easy to shot down because you disclosed your intentions besides it's terrible waste of time if chick is any attractive she must have someone so until your SMV is much higher it's uphill battle.

Much better is social aproach ( going to classes and courses and meeting chicks there or indirect aproach.There was guy who banged countless chicks with indirect aproach.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...et-500-women-new-york-subway-reveals-too.html

The guy spent 14 years and chatted up 500 women on the subway and advises us to do the same, but he met his WIFE on match.com? That's like teaching an investor course telling your students to study financial records and balance sheets, but then getting rich off insider information. Anyone can chat up anyone, it depends what the END result is.

Direct aproach when you hit on girl and then ask number or date without social context.

Undirect aproach is when you ask girl in social context like asking for directions if girls blows you off you save face.In undirect aproach girls is never sure if you are picking her up or just a nice guy.Notice he never ask for number but for email which is more like 'lets be friends' Im nice guy.

I don't know bro, labelling "approaches" makes the girl important. As long as you dress nice, are in shape, have all your teeth and don't mumble when you talk, any guy should be able to make a connection with any girl any where in 5 minutes. If the guy can't he should read more or do more stuff.

 

[thatfeel]

The guy spent 14 years and chatted up 500 women on the subway and advises us to do the same, but he met his WIFE on match.com? That's like teaching an investor course telling your students to study financial records and balance sheets, but then getting rich off insider information. Anyone can chat up anyone, it depends what the END result is.



I don't know bro, labelling "approaches" makes the girl important. As long as you dress nice, are in shape, have all your teeth and don't mumble when you talk, any guy should be able to make a connection with any girl any where in 5 minutes. If the guy can't he should read more or do more stuff.

Can't disagree with either point.

 

[Poon King]

The easiset place to meet women is anywhere you can find them when you have the looks and the skills. I've seen a lot of false claims in your posts by the way.

WRONG (as usual).

The easiest places to meet women are environments that lend themselves to meeting women. Would you say meeting women while sky diving from a plane is as easy as meeting a woman sitting on a park bench? I think not.

You sound like a buffoon.

Have some respect to the posters of this forum Poon King. You can make your points without swearing and talking sh1t to people. What insight have you provided except for whining about women, calling men betas, fearing woman, making them superior to you?

If you're too dumb to grasp the insight I provide.. I'm not going to explain it to you. :crackup:

Also, do beta clown on the Internet is going to tell me how to make my points. Nice try though.

 

[Lozboss]

Chaps I'm going to Jump in here.

Cola and Poon- you're both respected DJs- you both need to be LESS defensive. There also needs to be less of this bullsh*t from others of you in this thread where people argue just to take people down a peg or two. What does the DJ bible teach us about lowering others to make ourselves look good- it's NEEDY and INSECURE and not the actions of a DJ.

People have opinions and DJs have different things that work for them. You will disagree.

I've read stuff from both of you and I respect both of you- I've learnt a lot from your writings.

Lets just keep it friendly and realize that intellectual debate is what this forum is about- sharing ideas and refining. Understanding other viewpoints.

As a whole there needs to be less sweeping statements about what is Best and what is not.

 

[TNB]

WRONG (as usual).

The easiest places to meet women are environments that lend themselves to meeting women. Would you say meeting women while sky diving from a plane is as easy as meeting a woman sitting on a park bench? I think not.

You sound like a buffoon.




If you're too dumb to grasp the insight I provide.. I'm not going to explain it to you. :crackup:

Also, do beta clown on the Internet is going to tell me how to make my points. Nice try though.

All theory from you Poon King. No proof.

If you aren't the type of man women want to get picked up by you can be in a club full of them and they aren't going to notice let alone bother with you when the selection of better men is all around them.

You try to present your theories as fact. But when it comes down to showing and proving you run, divert, make excuses, insult etc. :kick:

 

[cola]

All theory from you Poon King. No proof.

If you aren't the type of man women want to get picked up by you can be in a club full of them and they aren't going to notice let alone bother with you when the selection of better men is all around them.

You try to present your theories as fact. But when it comes down to showing and proving you run, divert, make excuses, insult etc. :kick:

indeed.

 

[backbreaker]

i cold approached my now wife at about what.. 9:30am at santa anita park. so no i don't agree with you.

i actually did some research on my dating life

Just about every positive relationship I had with a woman, came from a cold approach/day game.

now mind you over the years i've gone on too many first dates, well over 50 probably closer to 100. so i cannot include all of them. I'm only talking about the noes that i actauly took a real interest in

Positive Relationships

Millie- My wife. Cold approach

Amber- girl i plate spun then dated for a year and a half. Met at dillard's . Cold Approach

Crystal- Girl I met at a restaurant, we hit it off and I dated her for about 6 months. It ended but not in a horrible way Cold Approach

Lisa- Girl i picked up at a sports bar, smoking hot, went on a few dates with, really like her, but she hadn't completely gotten over an ex so i cut her lose Cold Approach

Catherine- actually a stripper that i picked up at a dance club, date is a strong word, we had sex and did coke together lol. but it was funCold Approach

Penny- ran into her, while she is somewhat.. bigger.. she' svery pretty in and i needed to bust a 3 year slump.. we never had anything really serious once i got better plates she got tossed, but we had fun. Social Circle

Heather- We were actually in AA together. if she had not relapsed i don't know what woudl have happened i really liked her. Social Circle.

Jennifer A- met her at a bar at del mar race track, we hit it off, went on a few dates, messed around for a few months, she wanted to be my GF and i just faded away. not a bad experience at all. Cold approach

Anita T- not only was this a cold approach, she cold approached me! red head, a cute face but an elite body, very pretty feet lol. we had really good sex. very smart. An atheist and we would have very long debates about religion. I found out she had a pill habit that wasn't 100% kicked and i bounced, but overall this wasn't a bad experience. great sex, she wasn't clingy and wasn't bat **** crazy. Cold Approach.

Anita C- I met her while i was getting my car serviced at the dealership. Austrian, a little older than me, but a great rack like, seriously a great rack, recently divorced and very horny and her ex husband was rich and left her with a lot of money, an extra house and with nothing to do. she spoiled the **** out of me and i had my own money. i drove her extra BMW M3 like it was mine. i basically moved into he extra town house. used to take me out of town on vacations and stuff. she didn't even care if i was ****ing other girls. she knew we weren't gonna get married she was too old. once she found a man that was closer to her age i cut her lose. great relationship would do again lol. I'm like bible belt on this one every guy has to do this **** at least once. you can't beat it. and she could cook her ass off. like my grandma cook. she woudl call me and ask if i was hungry and just throw some **** together.. always made sure i had **** like fresh sweet tea, girl waited on me hand and foot. if she was 10 years younger i'd have put a ring on her finger with the quickness. Cold approach.

Desiree-girl i met at a marina, talked her up, we went on a few dates, sex, went out. run of the mill. she was pretty boring but there wasn't anything particularly bad about the relationship. cold Approach

Anna- Anther horse track girl, really quirky.. I liked her she was different. not super duper hot, about a solid hb6 but she had spunk and i liked that. didn't give a **** what i had just wanted to hang out. she would have a **** eating grin on her face if i took her out for ice cream at basket robins. which i did a few times beucase we both like basket robins. she moved across the country that was the only reason we stopped seeing each other. Cold Approach. '

Brianna- honestly her biggest issue i couldn't get over the fact she had the same first name as my little sister. that's an image i couldn't get out of my head. kinda needy, very loyal, also met this one at the horse track as well. she didn't really do anything wrong, but my now wife came along and once i decided i was gonna date my wife i cut her lose. Cold Approach

unknown lol- honestly.. i don't remember this girls name. the miami heat and the detroit pistons had came to little rock to play an ex. game. it was a Saturday, i went to the club that night and all the cheerleaders were there. everyone was looking at them and not talking to them and **** i said **** this **** lol, i picked the one i thought was the hottest, a short haired petite brunette, we danced, i had my mojo working, i'm working neg hits in perfectly, then probably the best game move i made in my life and this was spur the moment, right when she was eating it up i just disappeared and started talking to a lady friend of mine. that **** threw her for a 100% loop, she actually came and found me, asked if i wanted to go kick it with ehr after the club lol i ****ed the **** out of that board and never saw her again. **** was great. lol and she made pancakes in the morning. I took her to the hotel in the morning which happened to be like 2 miles from my house. easily my best pick up ever. **** wasn't even all that hard no one would talk to them they were "too hot" Cold Approach



Negative Relationships

Jennifer T- we worked together, she followed me everywhere. started inviting me to parties and ****, i went, we started hooking up, we dated, she not only cheated on me, she got ran through by the entier basketball team. and i have actually verified this it's a fact the entire ****ing team. then she came to work and bragged about it ot anyone that would listen. called me names for no other reason then i liked her. A really ****ty person with issues. she's now a meth head though i admit i did use her a booty call once i got my game down as i got a little older. Social Circle.

kat- http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=198725 Social Circle

Beth - met her at the bar where she worked. i found out she was married and didn't think about her again. she started hitting on me seriously, then invited herself over my house one night, we hooked up, then kept hooking up. one thing led to another she moved in my house for a few weeks beucase of an argument with her husband, she pooked a hole in my condom and got pregnant. she aborted but still that was close. certifiable. Cold Approach.

Amanda- met her while in AA.. i wasn't really attracted to her at first, she had the whole tat thing going on and i was dating my now wife. we grew on each other, as she is very serious about her recovery as was i. we started to hang out she was so damn needy, she was like hte girlfriend i wasn't'; ****ing she'd get *****y every-time i didn't want to sit with her or *****y every time my GF showed up with me to meetings or *****y when i didn't want to go out to eat with her. we'd go to the gym together and she'd do **** like stop by her house and take a shower then come out ad ask me a question, with nothing but a towel on.. and to date she might have the best body i have efver seen she knew what she was doing. she used to ask me **** like where are wee going and **** all the time. just clingy/needy. she required more maintenance than my wife /then GF did. eventually told her she had to go. Social Circle.

Gabrielle- a plate i spun who threw a glass vase at my head that i required stitches for once i told her i was leaving her for my now wife. Social Circle.. she lived 2 houses down from me.

Jackie- A girl that i have actually known my entire life, she's my little cousin's best friend. once she hit 18 she made it known to me she thought i was hot. she wasn't ugly at all so i gave her a shot. yeah onc ei tried to break it off she told me she was pregnant. even though i have never actually came when we had sex the 3 or 4 times we did. i paid her 1000 dollars just to go away basically. Social Circle

Stephine-A girl that I met while chilling with some friends at Sharky's in Vince Florida on the beach. this is the girl ht got me to start smoking crack lol.. i think that classifies as a bad. Social Circle

Michelle- girl i wasn't even interested in having sex with, i met in AA, I work out and it's ovbiuos I work out, she had weight consciousness issues.. she wasn't fat in fact she was like 5'6 110 pounds. anyway, she made a couple of moves on me, i rejected them, so she told everyone i raped her lol. Social Circle.



I have come to the conclusion that there are 2 reasons why cold approach relationships tend to be better than social cirlce relationshps

1. because am not restricted to the people around me, my threshold of what i expect out of a woman is higher than it is when i am just meeting someone threw a friend and i have to take wht they give me for the most part. there are many more cold approach girls who after a date or 2 i knew this wasn't gonna work. however when you have to rely ion your social cirlce you have to pretty mjuch take whatever qualities they have and make that **** work for better or for worse. it's usually for worse.

2. when i am in cold approach mode, as you can see from the above, and that might be 1/4th of all the dates i went on i stayed busy at all times. when i am busy i come off as more attractive than i do waiting for someone to hook me up with someone.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2136456

 

[Poon King]

All theory from you Poon King. No proof.

If you aren't the type of man women want to get picked up by you can be in a club full of them and they aren't going to notice let alone bother with you when the selection of better men is all around them.

You try to present your theories as fact. But when it comes down to showing and proving you run, divert, make excuses, insult etc. :kick:

And the crying continues...

If you're on your computer.. sitting in your underwear whining that people on the Internet won't give you "proven" methods of getting laid.. then YOU ARE A LOSER. :crackup:

I am here to educate. Men with critical thinking abilities will learn from me and improve their lives. Co-dependent, blue pill faggots cannot be helped because they don't want to be helped. So they can ignore me.. or they can keep crying like b!tches. Don't matter either way.

 

[The LadyKiller]

PM me if you need further advice with this
I want to see us all do well and I'm here for you.

Clear some of your stored messages. Could use your insight with a social game question that I don't need to bog the thread with.

 

[TNB]

And the crying continues...

If you're on your computer.. sitting in your underwear whining that people on the Internet won't give you "proven" methods of getting laid.. then YOU ARE A LOSER. :crackup:

I am here to educate. Men with critical thinking abilities will learn from me and improve their lives. Co-dependent, blue pill faggots cannot be helped because they don't want to be helped. So they can ignore me.. or they can keep crying like b!tches. Don't matter either way.

Cool story brah.

What's the matter Poon? No proof? Can't show an prove? What are you afraid of? A few of us would be willing to meet up with you Poon to see you in action. Are you in the North East? Let's see who's words match reality. You scared?

This is the same guy that opens fake accounts after fake accounts 3 posts and he is always on your case. Not sure if there a way to do a permanent ban for this idiots so he won't be able to create anymore accounts.

Who are you? Poon's plate? You claim you are "free" yet only hear what you want with your one dimensional thinking.

 

[cola]

Clear some of your stored messages. Could use your insight with a social game question that I don't need to bog the thread with.

Done.

 

[TNB]

I am the voice of reason and the one that pays no attention to weak minded fools like you until you are banned and reincarnate into another boring weak account.

Interesting. You just so happen to be logged in as soon as Poon King is. Does he send out a poon plate signal for you to come running to his rescue?

You are the voice of reason? Hahahahaha. That was a good one!

What reason? Why to avoid women at all costs? You join a seduction forum to try to convince others they should "worry abut themselves" as if they cannot do that AND meet and get into LTR's etc. with a woman because YOU had problems with them in the past?


Freedom is being FREE and doing things your own way. Not doing them with approval of a group or what certain people TELL you to do or dwelling on negativity as "reason" and "truth". You can say you're "free" all you'd like but you're fooling no one. Not even yourself.

 

[ArcBound]

I think it depends on the person. I do ok in social circle game but it requires me to actually invest in the social circle.

Sometimes i dont really care for that social circle but one or two girls in it. Then I have to play the game and win people over to get the girl. I can and have done it, but in my opinion it is not always the most efficient way.

I do agree with poon in the respect that parties are easy places to get women. I was in a frat, and while i didnt like it in retrospect, the parties did bring together guys and girls who wanted to fvck.

At a party you know shes there to fvck, she knows you are there to fvck. No confusion no games.

But social circle game is something you need to work on especially if you plan on getting relationships longer than sex. you have to know how to work her close friends, family, etc..

I don't see why anything has to be so binary as some people are making it out to be.

 

[TNB]

I think it depends on the person. I do ok in social circle game but it requires me to actually invest in the social circle.

Sometimes i dont really care for that social circle but one or two girls in it. Then I have to play the game and win people over to get the girl. I can and have done it, but in my opinion it is not always the most efficient way.

I do agree with poon in the respect that parties are easy places to get women. I was in a frat, and while i didnt like it in retrospect, the parties did bring together guys and girls who wanted to fvck.

At a party you know shes there to fvck, she knows you are there to fvck. No confusion no games.

But social circle game is something you need to work on especially if you plan on getting relationships longer than sex. you have to know how to work her close friends, family, etc..

I don't see why anything has to be so binary as some people are making it out to be.

(Not going at you or your post but adding my advice)

If you are the specific TYPE of guy who can get women anywhere then yes.

If you aren't? Good luck with just telling people they can get laid easiest at parties.

Chicks are going to go after the most popular, good looking, built/ cut up, money, charming etc.

Telling some dude his best chance to get laid is at parties is laughable especially if the dude is ASKING in the first place. If he hasn't a clue he is either most likely overweight, a social outcast, doesn't dress and or groom his best, etc.

Some overweight neckbeard who dresses/ grooms poorly, has no social skills friends etc. isn't going to be walking into random parties getting laid whenever he wants. That's just delusional PUA BS and the farthest from reality.

That type of dude IS going to have to "pander" to women by working out, dressing and grooming his best and getting a social circle. Being socially free and open, being a GOOD guy. A mix between the best qualities of the nice guy and the bad boy while still realizing that not everyone is going to like everyone regardless.

Any party I've ever been to I have never. Not ONCE seen the out of shape slob there cleaning up with women.

Any other "advice" while ignoring all the points I've made is ridiculous and ASSUMING that a guy who ASKS where the best places to meet women is automatically the kind of guy every woman wants in the first place and all he has to do is go there. It's like PUA's telling other weirdos all they have t odo is use the right "words" and these hotties will be spreading their legs for them. And we see where "PUA" went..

To ignore that and just toss out general advice to him without actually SEEING the problem up front is a waste of his and your time.

 

[ArcBound]

(Not going at you or your post but adding my advice)

If you are the specific TYPE of guy who can get women anywhere then yes.

If you aren't? Good luck with just telling people they can get laid easiest at parties.

Chicks are going to go after the most popular, good looking, built/ cut up, money, charming etc.

Telling some dude his best chance to get laid is at parties is laughable especially if the dude is ASKING in the first place. If he hasn't a clue he is either most likely overweight, a social outcast, doesn't dress and or groom his best, etc.

Some overweight neckbeard who dresses/ grooms poorly, has no social skills friends etc. isn't going to be walking into random parties getting laid whenever he wants. That's just delusional PUA BS and the farthest from reality.

That type of dude IS going to have to "pander" to women by working out, dressing and grooming his best and getting a social circle. Being socially free and open, being a GOOD guy. A mix between the best qualities of the nice guy and the bad boy while still realizing that not everyone is going to like everyone regardless.

Any party I've ever been to I have never. Not ONCE seen the out of shape slob there cleaning up with women.

Any other "advice" while ignoring all the points I've made is ridiculous and ASSUMING that a guy who ASKS where the best places to meet women is automatically the kind of guy every woman wants in the first place and all he has to do is go there. It's like PUA's telling other weirdos all they have t odo is use the right "words" and these hotties will be spreading their legs for them. And we see where "PUA" went..

To ignore that and just toss out general advice to him without actually SEEING the problem up front is a waste of his and your time.

And how do you think the hypothetical man you described who dresses poorly, has no social skills or friends is going to do in a situation involving social game? Just as well in my opinion.

Neither poon king or I said or implied that if you were a complete sob as you describe, you will get laid at parties. In fact poon specifically said if you are a man with something to offer. I also gave my experience prefaced by my opinion. To take either argument and pretend we are arguing any slopball can get laid at a party is pretty dishonest.